3:03 PM - Ziios: what's pol
3:03 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: politically incorrect
3:03 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: 4chan board
3:04 PM - Ziios: ah
3:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: moslty full of white supremecists and alt-right idiots but they make shit happen
3:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: and it's always fun to observe
3:06 PM - Ziios: I just can't enjoy that shit man, since it's such a big problem in the real world. I ain't no SJW pal, but you know I'm pretty anti racist/sexist. Anonymity gives folks big balls.
3:06 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: anonymity gives folks the power to say what's truly on their mind
3:06 PM - Ziios: That, and just the sheer violence that some of those internet communities seem to enjoy watching or creating, it's just too much for me.
3:06 PM - Ziios: Well
3:06 PM - Ziios: Yeah
3:06 PM - Ziios: Actually
3:06 PM - Ziios: You are right
3:06 PM - Ziios: It shows true colors
3:06 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: exactly
3:06 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: even if they are idiots
3:06 PM - Ziios: Which is pretty depressing at times.
3:06 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: well there is a wide range of people on there
3:06 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: but that is one stand-out group
3:07 PM - Ziios: Well it gives power to people to say what they want without repercussions. There's a difference between speaking ones' mind and not having to take responsibility for it.
3:07 PM - Ziios: There's no accountability.
3:07 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: there shouldn't always have to be accountability
3:08 PM - Ziios: Why do you think that?
3:08 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: because, even if they didn't say those things, they would still believe it
3:08 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it's not like saying them makes them any worse as people
3:08 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it would just be hiding it even more
3:09 PM - Ziios: That's true. But sometimes accountability protects OTHER people. You're right, they remain exactly as good/bad as before, but accountability prevents people from hurting others AS much.
3:09 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: words on the internet don't hurt people
3:09 PM - Ziios: haha
3:09 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: that's my belief
3:09 PM - Ziios: They absolutely do
3:09 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: well, then that's the person who's getting their feeling's hurts fault
3:10 PM - Ziios: It's not about having your feelings 'hurt', it's about how people perceive you.
3:10 PM - Ziios: If you are trans, say, and you read all of these awful things people think about you.
3:10 PM - Ziios: You will be upset because you see how people view you, the mentality behind it
3:10 PM - Ziios: not specifically oh, that one dude hurt my feelings
3:11 PM - Ziios: it's like, these people share a sentiment of hatred or whatever, just as an example
3:11 PM - Ziios: is it your fault to wallow in it? Sure, but it's not like folks are made of steel and iron.
3:11 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I know what you mean, but you can easily ignore things said on the internet
3:12 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I mean, if you didn't SEE them being said it's not like it changes the fact that people feel that way
3:12 PM - Ziios: Well yes
3:12 PM - Ziios: If you are like
3:12 PM - Ziios: seeking out forums of shitty people
3:12 PM - Ziios: and getting hurt by what they say
3:12 PM - Ziios: then you are setting yourself up
3:12 PM - Ziios: lol
3:12 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: right
3:12 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: That's what I mean
3:12 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: If you go on 4chan and post your disgusting face don't get upset when people shit on you
3:12 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: but
3:13 PM - Ziios: The problem I have Kyle, is that I don't understand why people just can't be better to each other. Not to be all sappy and shit, but it's just like, how about people just stop being such assholes.
3:13 PM - Ziios: Haha, but like, even that example, sure, you are setting yourself up, right?
3:13 PM - Ziios: It's the world we live in.
3:13 PM - Ziios: But why can't people, I don't know
3:13 PM - Ziios: Not be assholes about it
3:13 PM - Ziios: I don't understand why that's so hard.
3:13 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I know what you mean
3:13 PM - Ziios: We tease each other and stuff
3:13 PM - Ziios: but it's just like
3:13 PM - Ziios: True hatred or truly insulting people is just too much
3:13 PM - Ziios: I don't dude
3:14 PM - Ziios: *know
3:13 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I just like going there because I don't like shit being sugarcoated
3:14 PM - Ziios: Like what though
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: People will say what they truly feel
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: even if it is shitty
3:14 PM - Ziios: So you like raw, unfiltered hate messages?
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: well it's not all hate lol
3:14 PM - Ziios: Oh I'm sure not all of it is
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: that's not all that is there
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: there is plenty of thoughtful discussion
3:14 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: and not everyone is a dick
3:15 PM - Ziios: Absolutely, and that's why the internet is a double-edged sword
3:15 PM - Ziios: I agree
3:16 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: places like 4chan are the epitome of what it means to have free speech
3:17 PM - Ziios: That's true
3:17 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: there's no bullshit systems in place, and nobody has to act PC to secure their reputation
3:17 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: no upvotes
3:17 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: no popularity
3:17 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: no circlejerking
3:17 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: no "groups"
3:18 PM - Ziios: I can see the appeal.
3:19 PM - Ziios: But just to throw it out there, being PC isn't a BAD THING.
3:18 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: not always
3:18 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: but sometimes
3:19 PM - Ziios: But like you said, without needing to protect your reputation
3:19 PM - Ziios: you see what people really think
3:19 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: right, it's unfiltered and because of that you will see the most diverse set of opinions out of any website ive ever been to
3:20 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: no matter what is posted, SOMEONE will disagree with you
3:20 PM - Ziios: lol
3:20 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: and make an arguement for why
3:21 PM - Ziios: See
3:21 PM - Ziios: that setup
3:21 PM - Ziios: is perfect in my opinion for thoughtful discussions
3:21 PM - Ziios: I like that structure quite a bit
3:21 PM - Ziios: It just usually devolves into baloney
3:21 PM - Ziios: And I won't really consider an 'argument' about women being less, or Muslims being terrorists, or etc, etc.
3:21 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: you don't have to consider them, but the point is is that everyone's voice is heard no matter what
3:22 PM - Ziios: lol
3:22 PM - Ziios: Yeah
3:22 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it's a platform to share your voice and no matter what you will have an audience
3:22 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: not just if you get upvotes
3:22 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: or if you have followers
3:22 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: or if you're famous
3:22 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: etc
3:23 PM - Ziios: right
3:23 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: but I don't blame anyone for not wanting to go there
3:24 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I just honestly think that it is an essential platform to have
3:26 PM - Ziios: I think in a perfect world, it absolutely is. I think in this one, it may even be important for knowledge's sake. In my opinion, I'm not sure everyone deserves to have their voices heard, especially if they use their voice to perpetuate violence, inequality, and hatred. I get though that everybody has their own biases and versions of what each of those terms entails. It ain't perfect, and mass silence would be a lot worse than free speech.
3:27 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: agreed
3:27 PM - Ziios: But I'm from a slightly older generation, with a different background. I grew up in a religion that was very open and welcoming to all different kinds of people. I met people from different countries and cultures. My family over in Lebanon is Muslim. I've moved around quite a bit, experienced different towns, schools, societal structures, etc. I'm not world-experienced, haha, but I feel like
3:27 PM - Ziios: My experiences and education have helped me idenfity with those who struggle against this stuff.
3:27 PM - Ziios: Because I see, second-hand, how it CAN hurt and cause so much damage.
3:28 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I agree, but it's not the platform's fault, it's people's fault in general
3:28 PM - Ziios: So yeah, I ain't even disagreeing with you on the fact that having a platform for free speech is good. I'm just expressing my distaste for using that platform to perpetuate all of that garbage.
3:28 PM - Ziios: Haha
3:28 PM - Ziios: 100% right
3:29 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: besides like I said, most of the people there are rational. that's just the group that gets the most attention right now because of the state america is in
3:30 PM - Ziios: right
3:30 PM - Ziios: Hey man, it's been one week,.
3:30 PM - Ziios: It's not looking good.
3:30 PM - Ziios: I don't care who you support.
3:30 PM - Ziios: I can bet you a shitton of Trump supporters are wondering
3:30 PM - Ziios: what the fuck
3:30 PM - Ziios: is going on
3:30 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: yeah
3:30 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: to play devils advocate
3:30 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: you could say its the lesser of two evils
3:31 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: i voted for hillary though, and I agree I don't think it would be worse than this lol
3:32 PM - Ziios: You could say that, but anyone who says that has unsubstantiated arguments for that. Most of the anti-Clinton people believe in these conspiracies and murder-theories and just complete garbage. If she was elected, the democrats would not allow her to just go rampant, you'd see some more of the same, which isn't good enough for a lot of people, I agree.
3:32 PM - Ziios: I don't like Clinton
3:32 PM - Ziios: Never did
3:32 PM - Ziios: lol
3:32 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: right
3:32 PM - Ziios: But one week my friend
3:33 PM - Ziios: And we've got insane cabinet picks which I won't even begin to get into detail for, we've got science centers backing up data to Canada in fear of wiped data, you've got 400 scientists running for office, you've got the doomsday clock ticking closer to midnight, you've got the USA being demoted on a world-stage level from a 'full democracy' to a 'flawed democracy'. And I could go on
3:33 PM - Ziios: and on
3:33 PM - Ziios: Abortion
3:33 PM - Ziios: Forget about it
3:34 PM - Ziios: If you are a poor country and an earthquake hits you
3:34 PM - Ziios: and you support abortion?
3:34 PM - Ziios: forget about aid
3:34 PM - Ziios: forget about the tpp
3:34 PM - Ziios: forget about net neutrality
3:34 PM - Ziios: It's not looking good
3:34 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: yeah
3:34 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: net neutrality is a funny one
3:34 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: all those stormfronters and shitposters will see the true consequences
3:35 PM - Ziios: hahaha
3:35 PM - Ziios: Hey man
3:35 PM - Ziios: The rich folks and corporations that already run America
3:35 PM - Ziios: are having a fucking field day
3:35 PM - Ziios: Stocks are soaring!
3:36 PM - Ziios: I've said it before, you wanted to fix the corrupt, rich elite in this country. So you get a corrupt, rich elite to run it!
3:36 PM - Ziios: Excellent!
3:36 PM - Ziios: Oh well, I'm sure I've bombarded you enough.
3:36 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: you should have been here this morning, bling and I were having a pretty in depth conversation about this whole shitshow
3:36 PM - Ziios: I wish I was
3:38 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it would be easy to call everyone who voted for trump and idiot, racist, mysogonistic, whatever. but bling has an interesting point of view
3:39 PM - Ziios: Not all of them are those things
3:39 PM - Ziios: I think a majority of them truly ARE, or at least a combination of those things, but I think ignorance and desperation played an enormous role in that
3:39 PM - Ziios: Both of which are fixable.
3:40 PM - Ziios: And don't necessarily reflect on the individual
3:40 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: It's hard to tell. there are truly rational people that believe he is better for the system
3:41 PM - Ziios: The ability to turn a blind eye to the things he has said and done in the past make it hard for me to look at a Trump supporter in a positive light. That, and the insane amount of apathy that folks apparently show others. Apathy is as dangerous as anything else.
3:41 PM - Ziios: I think there are
3:41 PM - Ziios: But it depends what system you are talking about
3:41 PM - Ziios: And I'd like to hear a rational argument as to his qualifications
3:41 PM - Ziios: to get us to a better place
3:41 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it's not about qualifications to them though
3:41 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: that's the point
3:42 PM - Ziios: What experience does he have? What is it about him that moved so many people to vote for him? What about him makes people think he will help them?
3:42 PM - Ziios: Forget qualifications then.
3:42 PM - Ziios: Talk about experience.
3:42 PM - Ziios: Which go hand in hand.
3:42 PM - Ziios: You can't just delve into a job with no experience as to how it may work. ESPECIALLY not the President of the United States
3:42 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: hillary is a part of the nasty political machine. to them, trump is a fuck you to how it's "supposed" to go
3:43 PM - Ziios: Prior to his presidency, during the election
3:43 PM - Ziios: I completely agree
3:43 PM - Ziios: I think a lot of people viewed it that way
3:43 PM - Ziios: obviously
3:43 PM - Ziios: However, Trump has proven, so far
3:43 PM - Ziios: That he's only keeping his word on the shitty things about his campaign
3:44 PM - Ziios: and not anything about draining the swamp
3:44 PM - Ziios: you have to look no further than his cabinet picks
3:44 PM - Ziios: which are just absolutely
3:44 PM - Ziios: insane
3:44 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: yeah, it's disappointing so far
3:44 PM - Ziios: We'll see
3:44 PM - Ziios: He's got . . . . sigh. .
3:44 PM - Ziios: a long
3:44 PM - Ziios: time
3:44 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: definitely. but no matter who was elected, I think we'd still be in bad shape
3:44 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: the "DIVIDE" would still be there
3:45 PM - Ziios: Bad shape in what way. The divide would still be there, there is no doubt. But what is it, in Obama's america, that made it so bad? Jobs were growing, the economy was growing. Was Obama the best most perfect president in history? No, no he was not.
3:45 PM - Ziios: But say Hillary is here
3:45 PM - Ziios: one week in
3:45 PM - Ziios: with all that has happened
3:46 PM - Ziios: What would make it just as bad?
3:46 PM - Ziios: Her picks? Her picks would have mostly been solid because the democratic party is far more united and controlled
3:46 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I don't think it would be just as bad
3:46 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: but I don't think it would be good
3:46 PM - Ziios: No
3:46 PM - Ziios: I don't think so either
3:46 PM - Ziios: I don't think anyone can make it 'good'
3:46 PM - Ziios: it takes several presidents to work towards that goal
3:47 PM - Ziios: After 4 years, would she have made it better?
3:47 PM - Ziios: I don't know about that
3:47 PM - Ziios: Maybe in some ways
3:47 PM - Ziios: Not in others
3:48 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: She represents more of the same though. The fact that trump was elected shows how tired people are of the shady ass shit that goes on with the gov
3:48 PM - Ziios: Oh, it even goes further than that
3:48 PM - Ziios: Bernie Sanders
3:48 PM - Ziios: almost won the nomination
3:48 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: that too
3:49 PM - Ziios: And would have almost assuredly won the election
3:49 PM - Ziios: The fact that Bernie was so popular
3:49 PM - Ziios: and the fact that Trump actually somehow won
3:49 PM - Ziios: absolutely shows people are fed up
3:49 PM - Ziios: which is why
3:49 PM - Ziios: despite all of this awfullness
3:49 PM - Ziios: many believe this to be the end of an era
3:49 PM - Ziios: which may mean things have to get a lot shittier before it gets better
3:49 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: exactly
3:49 PM - Ziios: but it MIGHT mean some major changes will actually happen
3:49 PM - Ziios: thing is man, conservative and progressive changes CAN BE MADE SIDE BY SIDE
3:50 PM - Ziios: haha
3:49 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: nobody I know that voted for trump actually thinks hes a smart or qualified person
3:50 PM - Ziios: I have a lot of conservative viewpoints, and a lot of progressive viewpoints
3:50 PM - Ziios: imagine if they
3:50 PM - Ziios: WORKED togteher
3:50 PM - Ziios: They were sick of the establishment
3:50 PM - Ziios: Of Washington
3:50 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: yeah
3:50 PM - Ziios: Can't blame them there
3:51 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I wish we didn't have to limit ourselves to two parties
3:51 PM - Ziios: agreed
3:51 PM - Ziios: well i mean
3:51 PM - Ziios: that's part of the establishment
3:51 PM - Ziios: lol
3:51 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: this was the election that really showed the need
3:51 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: yeah
3:51 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: and the electoral college bullshit
3:52 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: we're not a democracy
3:52 PM - Ziios: lol
3:52 PM - Ziios: Not at all
3:53 PM - Ziios: I also think, and you may COMPLETELY
3:53 PM - Ziios: disagree with me
3:53 PM - Ziios: haha
3:53 PM - Ziios: but I truly believe
3:53 PM - Ziios: that just having an age limit is not enough
3:53 PM - Ziios: I do not think that everyone should be entitled to vote
3:53 PM - Ziios: Now HOW to go about deciding who can and can't is a completely different story.
3:53 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: I don't see how you could decide that
3:54 PM - Ziios: I don't either right now, but let's reword it, I don't think every vote should be equal
3:54 PM - Ziios: as in
3:54 PM - Ziios: eh
3:55 PM - Ziios: I don't know
3:55 PM - Ziios: it's too hard
3:55 PM - Ziios: I guess it can only work that way
3:55 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: imo giving the government an option to decide who is qualified to vote
3:55 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: is way too risky
3:55 PM - Ziios: yeah
3:55 PM - Ziios: that it would be
3:56 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: as it stands that kind of is the problem
3:56 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: with the electoral college
3:57 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it was designed as a safet by the government in case the "wrong" person is elected
3:58 PM - Ziios: lol
3:58 PM - Ziios: yeah
3:58 PM - Ziios: well dude, that opens up another can which I won't get into, but just mention
3:58 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: http://www.270towin.com/1876_Election/
3:58 PM - Ziios: the fact that the constitution is held like the bible
3:58 PM - Ziios: and not updated
3:58 PM - Ziios: in 200 years of fucking progress
3:58 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: that too
3:58 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it was meant to be changed
3:59 PM - Ziios: Yes it was
3:59 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: most people don't even know that consitutional conventions are a thing in the constitution
3:59 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: because in schools we are taught that it is a sacred document
4:00 PM - Ziios: yeah
4:00 PM - Ziios: wow, i didn't know about this 1876 election either
4:00 PM - Ziios: this is nuts
4:00 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: it's disgusting
4:02 PM - Ziios: haha
4:02 PM - Ziios: I mean, this is an historic election as well.
4:03 PM - Ziios: No candidate has ever lost
4:03 PM - Ziios: with that many more popular votes
4:03 PM - Ziios: Which of course Trump is calling fraud on
4:03 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: of course
4:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: he is a hyporcrate
4:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: hyporcite*
4:04 PM - Ziios: Yes he is
4:04 PM - Ziios: HYPOR
4:04 PM - Ziios: CITE
4:04 PM - Ziios: I like it
4:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: CRITE
4:04 PM - Ziios: It sounds way cooler
4:04 PM - HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US: sounds like a cell
4:04 PM - Ziios: lol