17:00 Cryolien: yoo
17:00 AncuL: yoo
17:01 Cryolien: i've lowered my hitsound volume
17:01 AncuL: cool
17:02 AncuL: lemme play for a bit
17:07 AncuL: hmm
17:07 Cryolien: :thinking:
17:08 AncuL: it's mv1 so it's good to irc mod :D
17:08 Cryolien: yea
17:08 Cryolien: sad that it's probably gonna be gone soon
17:08 AncuL: 00:06:158 - why is this 3 notes
17:09 Cryolien: i think it's supposed to be kick + piano
17:09 AncuL: ah i see
17:10 Cryolien: but now i'm trying to see if i did that anywhere else
17:10 AncuL: but tbf that's the only place where you did that on the intro
17:10 Cryolien: yeaa i should change that
17:10 AncuL: 00:04:113 - i'd add another note on 1
17:11 AncuL: nvm that's unnecessary
17:11 Cryolien: yeah i think so too
17:12 Cryolien: in the meantime, brb bathroom break,
17:12 AncuL: o/
17:12 Cryolien: you can sstill leave stuff here
17:12 AncuL: yea ik
17:13 AncuL: i think you can just delete the note on 00:04:113 (4113|1) - here
17:14 AncuL: 00:04:249 (4249|3) - then move this to 2
17:14 Cryolien: not really
17:15 Cryolien: 00:04:113 (4113|1) -  this note has a soft piano sound
17:17 AncuL: mhm
17:17 AncuL: okay on the intro you suffer from putting too much notes in order to represent as many sounds as you can
17:18 Cryolien: tbh i think i do that on the whole map
17:19 AncuL: but the intro is the crucial part because it shouldn't be close on being that intense
17:19 Cryolien: are those just for the first 4 seconds?
17:20 Cryolien: or is it until the first verse
17:20 AncuL: the first 20 seconds
17:20 AncuL: :thinking:
17:20 Cryolien: ah
17:20 AncuL: you can map pianos with 1/2 LNs tbh
17:21 Cryolien: all pianos?
17:21 AncuL: not really
17:21 AncuL: you can do it though
17:22 AncuL: but i'm specially talking about the intro
17:22 AncuL: 00:04:249 - for this part, for example, i'll probably do this https://i.imgur.com/DACITpq.png
17:23 AncuL: though the piano is audible mostly on that part
17:23 AncuL: :kms:
17:24 AncuL: 00:20:477 (20477|5,20613|4) - you can ctrl+g this two notes so it's lighter
17:25 Cryolien: i'm also thinking of changing these 00:20:749 (20749|3,20749|4,20749|2) - to be like js pattern
17:26 AncuL: js?
17:26 Cryolien: well not really jumpstream
17:26 Cryolien: but
17:26 Cryolien: 23 and 56
17:27 AncuL: well uh
17:27 AncuL: you can't do that
17:27 AncuL: it'll count as ghost notes
17:28 AncuL: 00:19:249 (19249|0) - this LN can end sooner, like on 00:20:613 - so the three-note-chordjacks can be more emphasized
17:28 AncuL: also to make it less painful to play
17:29 AncuL: but idk if it makes sense
17:29 AncuL: okay moving on to the next part
17:29 Cryolien: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10356830 something like this i meant
17:29 AncuL: oh
17:29 AncuL: it's very undermapped imo
17:29 AncuL: let's be honest
17:29 Cryolien: so i should leave it as it is?
17:30 AncuL: if i'm the one mapping this song, you'll see like 2390132389 anchors
17:30 AncuL: so i think yea
17:30 Cryolien: alright
17:30 AncuL: moving to the next part
17:31 AncuL: notes that are supposed to emphasize pianos are not visible because of the notes surrounding it
17:31 Cryolien: although however, about that LN ending sooner tho, i don't know if i want to because the sound goes all the way to where it is
17:32 AncuL: well yeah, but imo playability should be prioritized
17:32 AncuL: idk about people though so it's up to you
17:33 Cryolien: i'mma leave that as it is first
17:33 AncuL: alright
17:33 Cryolien: oh crap
17:33 Cryolien: um
17:33 AncuL: o.o
17:33 Cryolien: i got an emergency can i come back to you in maybe an hour
17:33 AncuL: oh okay
17:33 Cryolien: really sorry
17:34 AncuL: it's alright :3
17:34 AncuL: find me somewhere else when you're back online
17:34 Cryolien: i'll savelog until here first just in case
17:34 AncuL: probably discord on ancul#0750 but idk if you have discord lol
17:34 Cryolien: i do
17:34 AncuL: cool
17:34 AncuL: add me
17:36 Cryolien: can't add
17:36 AncuL: just hl me on o!sea server
17:36 Cryolien: o yeah
17:36 Cryolien: sure
17:36 AncuL: kk
17:36 Cryolien: gotta go
17:36 Cryolien: cya later
17:36 AncuL: o/
18:23 Cryolien: i'm back
18:26 AncuL: o/
18:27 AncuL: also
18:27 AncuL: continuing what we discussed earlier
18:27 AncuL: 00:21:704 - the piano emphasis is hidden by the notes surrounding it, and i don't think the bass is loud enough to be recognized
18:29 AncuL: and anyways this part should have 5 notes 00:21:704 -
18:29 Cryolien: how's this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10357021
18:29 Cryolien: oh
18:29 AncuL: you can use LNs
18:29 Cryolien: LNs for what  particular sound
18:30 AncuL: https://i.imgur.com/HDEYb1g.png
18:30 AncuL: piano
18:31 AncuL: 00:25:795 (25795|3,25931|4) - these two notes should be on the same column, no matter where you put it
18:31 AncuL: 00:25:795 (25795|3,25931|4) - 5 notes
18:31 AncuL: whoops wrong one
18:31 AncuL: 00:26:068 - 5 notes
18:31 AncuL: 00:34:795 - this too
18:32 Cryolien: about these 2 notes
18:32 Cryolien: 00:25:795 (25795|3,25931|4) -
18:32 AncuL: make it anchored
18:32 AncuL: like these two notes 00:30:158 (30158|5,30295|5) -
18:33 AncuL: 00:34:522 (34522|1,34658|2) - also this
18:33 Cryolien: there's only ever one instance i anchored them and it was probably by mistake
18:33 AncuL: i like it anchored though :thinking
18:33 Cryolien: these kicks come quite often in the song i think
18:34 AncuL: yea but a bit of emphasis on quieter sounds are welcome
18:34 AncuL: *quieter parts of the song
18:34 AncuL: there's not really many kicks on this calm part
18:35 Cryolien: hmmm
18:35 Cryolien: i kinda want to just un-anchor that tho
18:35 AncuL:  well it's up to you
18:35 Cryolien: either that or change every one of those kicks in that section to anchors
18:35 AncuL: i like that option more :eyes:
18:36 Cryolien: lel
18:36 Cryolien: unfortunately i prefer the former
18:36 Cryolien: ><
18:36 AncuL: >.>
18:36 AncuL: it's still alright
18:37 Cryolien: ok
18:38 Cryolien: i've made 00:26:068 -  and 00:34:795 - 5 chord already tho
18:38 AncuL: 00:39:158 - this chord should be 5 notes
18:38 AncuL: okay for the next part
18:38 AncuL: holy fuck these are some heavy chords
18:39 Cryolien: previous one just had bass guitar on 1/1s as single notes
18:39 AncuL: yea
18:39 AncuL: i figured out
18:39 AncuL: i'd prefer having 3-note chords on white lines, 3-note chord on red lines which has snares, and 2-note chord on red lines which has kicks
18:40 AncuL: also un-anchor 00:44:886 (44886|3,45022|3) - and 00:46:522 (46522|3,46658|3) -
18:40 AncuL: and this 00:50:340 (50340|6,50477|6) -
18:42 Cryolien: having the 3 note chord on white line, red line, etc now conflicts with my way of mapping/charting every instrument i hear possible
18:42 AncuL: xD
18:42 Cryolien: i'll mostly be saying "but there's a kick and piano here as well"
18:42 Cryolien: or something along those lines
18:42 AncuL: 3-note chord on white lines are because the bass are more emphasized
18:43 AncuL: 3-note chord on red line snare and 2-note on red line kick is kinda obvious
18:43 AncuL: i feel like snare is more powerful than kick
18:43 Cryolien: i feel that too
18:44 AncuL: also i think that this can be 3 note-chords 00:38:613 (38613|4,38613|0,38749|6,38749|2,38886|0,38886|4,39022|2,39022|6) -
18:46 Cryolien: i'll have to figure out what kind of patterning would be good if i use 3 note chords for that
18:46 AncuL: here's how i think about charting: for the layering, i'd prefer using percussions as the baseline. then the patterning will vary based on the pianos
18:46 AncuL: of course that varies a lot
18:47 Cryolien: i see
18:47 Cryolien: yeah a lot of variation tho
18:48 AncuL: 00:54:977 - this should have 2 notes instead, preferably on 2 and 6
18:49 AncuL: 00:55:658 (55658|5,55658|4,55795|1,55795|2) - this could be ctrl+g'd to make cool anchors
18:49 Cryolien: but the 00:54:977 - is only kick while 00:55:113 -  are snares already, which are louder
18:50 AncuL: in this case we'll use reduction method, that is reducing things in order to make things more playable
18:51 AncuL: as i told earlier, playability becomes more important
18:51 AncuL: but it's up to you
18:51 AncuL: also why do i now sound like a school teacher lmoa
18:51 Cryolien: yes, teacher
18:51 AncuL: 00:55:386 - should be 3 notes, add one on 4
18:51 AncuL: 00:56:340 - this too
18:51 AncuL: xD
18:52 AncuL: 00:57:977 (57977|5,57977|6,57977|0,58113|1,58113|4,58249|2,58386|3,58522|4,58522|5,58522|0) - for this part, it's a perfect place to introduce you to a way to separate instruments
18:52 Cryolien: i anchored them
18:53 Cryolien: 00:55:658 - this one i mean
18:53 AncuL: hm
18:54 AncuL: since what you were trying to do wasn't really visible
18:54 AncuL: think about it like this https://i.imgur.com/CEWmFbo.png
18:55 AncuL: you can make piano sounds mapped to left hand, and percussions to right hand
18:56 AncuL: i suggest something like this https://i.imgur.com/kxqDgtP.png
18:56 Cryolien: i'll give it a shit
18:56 Cryolien: shot
18:56 Cryolien: wow
18:57 AncuL: change something on 01:00:158 - as well
18:57 Cryolien: i tried this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10357147
18:57 AncuL: pretty good imo
18:58 Cryolien: changed that one too
18:59 AncuL: might delete this 01:02:204 (62204|1) - . having a 1/1 gap between long streaks can make the players jump their hand a bit
18:59 AncuL: like what you did on 01:00:977 (60977|0,60977|4,60977|1,60977|3,60977|6,61249|5,61249|2,61249|4) -
18:59 Cryolien: yeah
19:00 AncuL: might want two notes on 01:01:386 (61386|0,61658|2,62477|2) - , vocals
19:00 Cryolien: i there starts to be some ghost notes around here
19:00 AncuL: mhm
19:01 AncuL: also have you added a note on 00:56:613 -
19:02 Cryolien: there's 4 there
19:02 Cryolien: or you mean 00:56:340 -
19:02 AncuL: yea but 5 is appropriate
19:02 Cryolien: aight
19:03 AncuL: 01:04:931 (64931|5,64931|3,65204|1,65204|3) - can do the same anchor things
19:03 AncuL: 01:06:431 - 3 notes
19:03 AncuL: 01:07:931 - two notes
19:03 Cryolien: i think i prefer the current pattern, it's comfy
19:03 AncuL: aight
19:03 AncuL: 01:09:295 (69295|0,69295|2,69295|1,69295|5,69431|2,69431|0,69431|1,69431|4,69568|5,69568|1,69568|2,69568|0) - do you realize that these are 4 notes o.o
19:04 Cryolien: snares are still 3 note chords, it's just that now i started actually following the vocals
19:05 AncuL: alright lol
19:05 Cryolien: like just for that particular less than a second section
19:05 AncuL: it might cause some serious problems, even a reason for DQ, so be aware
19:05 AncuL: 01:11:749 - 3 notes
19:05 AncuL: 01:12:158 (72158|3,72158|5,72158|1,72431|3,72431|1,72431|5) - i think 4 notes for both chords are appropriate enough
19:06 Cryolien: ok let's slow down a bit
19:06 AncuL: xD
19:07 Cryolien: gotta go back to the things i missed because
19:07 AncuL: i'm sorry :x
19:07 Cryolien: 01:06:431 -  i don't think adding a note is needed
19:08 Cryolien: or should i? the next layer is a snare tho
19:08 AncuL: it doesn't really matter tbh
19:08 AncuL: i mislooked at the layering on that one
19:08 Cryolien: 01:07:931 - naah 1 note's fine imo
19:09 AncuL: there's vocal tho
19:09 Cryolien: sounded like only vocal
19:10 Cryolien: if there's a snare or kick on the same layer, sure
19:10 AncuL: you know, layering doesn't have to only be mapping a number of notes because instruments support it
19:10 AncuL: vocal has extra emphasis
19:10 AncuL: that's how i view it
19:10 Cryolien: i knowwww but that's all i'm familiar with aaaaaaa
19:11 AncuL: xD
19:11 AncuL: it's okay though if you think as what it is
19:11 Cryolien: my charting duration has not been long enough to know various techniques
19:11 AncuL: though it's still quite a solid chart
19:12 Cryolien: anyway, back to what i missed
19:12 Cryolien: 01:11:749 - 3 note chord but it's all snare tho
19:12 Cryolien: oh wait
19:12 AncuL: yea
19:12 Cryolien: actually maybe it's ok
19:13 Cryolien: it sounded louder than the others
19:14 Cryolien: 01:12:158 - made into 4 note chords
19:14 AncuL: i kinda dislike how you put the chords on 01:12:704 (72704|2,72704|5,72704|1,72704|3,72840|5,72840|3,72840|4,72840|1,72977|5,72977|1,72977|6,72977|3) - . i get the point, which is keeping 2 4 6 notes but it's both hard to play and gives less emphasis
19:14 AncuL: i suggest having all three chords on the same columns
19:15 AncuL: like 2356 2356 2356 or something
19:15 AncuL: same with the next one
19:15 AncuL: 01:13:522 - also this should have 3 notes. sounds significantly quieter
19:16 Cryolien: yeah i think so too it might be uncomfortable for people
19:17 Cryolien: but i wanted to have 01:12:568 (72568|0,72704|2,72840|4,72977|6,73113|4,73249|2,73386|0,73522|2) - piano mixed in there
19:17 AncuL: 01:13:658 (73658|6,73658|0,73795|5,73795|1,73931|2,73931|4) - the sounds support for 3-note chords if you want to add it
19:17 AncuL: well in that case you better move all the chords, rather than few
19:18 Cryolien: thinking of having the snares on 123 and piano on 4-7
19:18 Cryolien: or something like that
19:19 AncuL: something like this https://i.imgur.com/TKezAZs.png
19:19 Cryolien: 01:13:658 (73658|6,73658|0,73795|5,73795|1,73931|2,73931|4) - probably fine tbh
19:19 Cryolien: that looks much better lol
19:20 Cryolien: although 01:13:522 - i think still should be 4 note chord
19:20 Cryolien: also oops brb again, parents are calling for dinner, will be back in 15min sorry
19:20 AncuL: if you listen with 75%, you'll notice the difference
19:20 AncuL: kk
19:21 AncuL: anyways gonna continue on forum because i dont have much time left
19:30 Cryolien: i'm back
19:30 AncuL: hmm
19:30 AncuL: let's see
19:30 Cryolien: which part should i listen at 75%
19:30 AncuL: 01:13:522 -
19:31 AncuL: might want to swap these two notes so the middle part doesn't look empty
19:31 Cryolien: i've been listening to it at 50% tho
19:31 AncuL: :thinking:
19:31 AncuL: do you not hear it
19:31 Cryolien: oh
19:32 Cryolien: WELL I'M DUMB
19:32 AncuL: there's 4 notes btw
19:32 AncuL: 01:17:068 -
19:32 AncuL: 01:19:249 - here too
19:32 AncuL: 01:20:340 -
19:33 AncuL: should have 5 notes
19:33 AncuL: 01:24:977 -
19:33 AncuL: 01:26:340 - 4 notes
19:33 AncuL: 01:26:886 - ^
19:33 AncuL: 01:28:522 - ^
19:33 AncuL: 01:29:613 - ^
19:34 Cryolien: most if not all are intentional
19:34 Cryolien: with the LN being vocal and snares as 3
19:34 AncuL: ooooooo
19:35 AncuL: 01:17:340 (77340|2) - might want to delete
19:35 Cryolien: ye
19:35 AncuL: 01:20:340 (80340|1) - might want to move to 7
19:36 AncuL: it's too crowded on the middle side
19:37 AncuL: 01:22:658 (82658|4) - might want to delete
19:37 AncuL: 01:22:931 (82931|5) - too
19:37 AncuL: 01:27:022 - add a note
19:37 Cryolien: is that a kick there?
19:38 AncuL: 01:32:204 (92204|1,92204|3,92204|4,92340|2,92340|6,92340|0) - should be like 01:31:795 (91795|1,91795|3,91795|4,91931|4,91931|3,91931|1) -
19:38 Cryolien: i actually can't tell
19:38 AncuL: yea there is
19:38 AncuL: actually it's bass but it's strong
19:38 Cryolien: bass as in bass guitar?
19:38 AncuL: yep
19:38 Cryolien: or bass as in bass drum
19:38 AncuL: i mean
19:39 Cryolien: i never know which one's are being referred to
19:39 AncuL: everything i said that are kick should be said as bass
19:39 Cryolien: i just call the percussion one as kicks
19:39 AncuL: and everything i said that are snare should be kick
19:39 AncuL: i think
19:40 Cryolien: snares are understandable
19:40 AncuL: 01:32:477 - two notes
19:40 Cryolien: it's just kicks and bass
19:40 Cryolien: ok
19:41 AncuL: 01:32:613 - lemme give you a suggestion https://i.imgur.com/VsBLH5N.png
19:41 Cryolien: how about if i make 01:31:795 (91795|1,91795|3,91795|4) -  same as 01:32:340 (92340|0,92340|6,92340|2) -
19:41 AncuL: eh i prefer the first one but it's up to you
19:42 AncuL: anchors give more emphasis
19:42 Cryolien: me being hesitant about anchors as usual
19:42 AncuL: dw dude it's basically 110bpm and you're trying to make it like 5.25*
19:43 Cryolien: it's 220 lol
19:43 AncuL: 01:40:113 (100113|4) - remove
19:43 AncuL: 220 in 1/2 is 110 in 1/4 :eyes:
19:43 AncuL: 01:41:340 (101340|3,101613|3,101886|3,102158|3,102431|3) - might want to do something
19:43 Cryolien: well you're not wrong
19:44 AncuL: 01:42:295 (102295|5) - move to the next white line
19:44 Cryolien: done something to it
19:44 AncuL: cool
19:44 AncuL: 01:46:795 - did you copy a pattern from the previous one lol
19:45 AncuL: 01:49:386 - and 01:49:795 - support for 4 note chord
19:45 Cryolien: um
19:46 AncuL: it's similiar to 01:29:340 -
19:46 Cryolien: i guess i did
19:46 Cryolien: time to change it up
19:46 AncuL: well it's okay either way
19:47 Cryolien: i altered some stuff for now
19:48 AncuL: cool
19:48 Cryolien: LNs are still the same
19:48 AncuL: anyways i think i can only go this far
19:48 AncuL: gotta warm up for some plays
19:49 Cryolien: sure thing
19:49 Cryolien: i'll fix up more stuff in the later parts since they're pretty similar
19:49 Cryolien: much thanks
19:49 AncuL: i'll continue later
19:49 AncuL: ^^