Brazilian Senate UFO Hearing Part 4

Speaker 1:

I'd like to welcome more visitors who are arriving at the Federal Senate, who are here visiting, getting to know our facilities. Welcome, and thank you very much for your presence!

I'll now immediately call upon Mr. Jackson Luiz Camargo for the next speech. He is an expert in official document analysis and has also published books on the subject. I had the opportunity to attend his lecture at the congress that took place in March, in Curitiba.
The next one will be in São Paulo, right, Ademar?

It will be in São Paulo in September.

In September, we will have one in São Paulo as well, with the presence of international figures.

I'll now pass the floor to Mr. Jackson Luiz Camargo for his presentation, within 15 minutes, with an additional 5 minutes allowed by the Senate's Presidency.

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2:

Honorable Senator, everyone present here, ladies and gentlemen, good morning!
I am here to present to all, to the audience watching us, one of the most important UFO events that occurred here in Brazil - and I would also say in the world - an event that lasted for 13 hours, with thousands of witnesses. It is the most witnessed UFO case in the history of worldwide ufology, witnessed by people of all races, creeds, religions, backgrounds, ages, including civilians, military personnel, pilots, and highly qualified individuals.

This was officially recorded in documents from the Brazilian Air Force - it was confirmed in a press conference by the military - and it happened on the night of May 19, 1986. I will summarize 13 hours of events in a few slides to give us a general idea of what happened.

Please display the presentation.

These events began around 5 PM on May 19, 1986. The initial sightings occurred in the rural area of Santa Isabel, with a single object being observed for approximately an hour, indicated by the yellow arrow in the lower-left corner. This shows the movement the object made at 6 PM on May 19, 1986. At this point, it positioned itself northwest of the São José dos Campos airport tower and began to be observed from the local control tower. In the control tower, we had the on-duty operator, Sergeant Sérgio Mota da Silva. As we can see in this image, he observed this object and contacted other control centers, starting with the Guarulhos tower to confirm if it was an aircraft. Being an extremely competent and experienced operator, he already realized that what was being observed was not normal because the object remained stationary for a long time in a certain position.

As indicated in the image, on the left, we have a small red object - I only intensified the object in the reproduction so that we can get an idea. What he saw looked like an aircraft beacon and was stationary in the sky. After he contacted the initial control centers, the São Paulo control, which manages air traffic approaching the city of São Paulo, called the tower to inquire about the presence of an object to the east of the airport. Sergeant Sérgio Mota was observing an object to the northwest, and São Paulo Approach (APP São Paulo) radar was picking up another object to the east. So, we already had two objects. This was just the beginning of the manifestations. Later, we had the presence of other objects appearing.

And more objects were appearing.

Here, on the left, we have a map of the object manifestations between 7 PM and 8 PM. So, notice that new objects continued to appear continuously. They appeared over the Guaratinguetá region, Caçapava, the entire Paraíba Valley, over the city of São Paulo, along the coast of Rio de Janeiro, being observed by various city residents as well as by Brigadier Sócrates Monteiro, who observed them from his apartment window in Copacabana Beach.

We had sightings starting from the school located in Resende, the Military Academy of Agulhas Negras. Students from the institution observed these objects. In Guaratinguetá, 2,000 military personnel present there observed the passage of these objects at the same time a blackout was occurring due to interference from these objects. Several other cities in São Paulo also reported sightings, including from other states. In the rural area of Uberlândia, there were also reports. In São José do Rio Preto, a family traveling through the countryside observed the appearance of a stingray-shaped object that flew over their vehicle and caused an electrical malfunction in the car.

And the manifestations didn't stop there. Around 8 PM, other objects appeared in the São José dos Campos region. In the representation, we see an alignment of the runway with two objects, shimmering and changing colors. We also have recordings of conversations currently made in the control tower with other control centers, where the sergeant operating the control tower reported the appearance of these objects and the presence of these two objects to the northwest of the city, as seen in the image.

In the center of the image, we have another object that he described as a white dot that was further north of the city. While he was reporting what he was seeing to air defense, he observed a triangular object with lights at the ends, which made a low pass and left him extremely impressed. This object was extremely dark. He observed this object flying, passing against the lights of the Petrobras refinery. So, the object was very close to the refinery, between the refinery and the airport, practically in the urban area of the city, at a low altitude. This sighting left him quite impressed.

In addition to the airport control tower and the sightings in the city of Rio de Janeiro, aircraft in transit from Rio de Janeiro to São Paulo reported sightings. I found reports from airplane passengers describing the presence of these objects following the flight.

There are reports from other people in the city of São Paulo, especially in the area of Dr. Ricardo Jafet Avenue, observing a very large object over the city around 8 PM. This object was reported to the Air Force, and we also have audio of one of the Air Force communications inquiring if there were any military aircraft over that city at that moment because there was a report of an object hovering over the city.

We also have slightly more dramatic situations where pilots were startled by objects in essential traffic, meaning an object approaching from the opposite direction of the aircraft, appearing to be on a collision course. This generated some tension among the military personnel, who requested air defense support to identify this phenomenon, radar confirmation, and more.

Around 9 PM, Colonel Ozires Silva, who had been a Minister, was returning from Brasília to São José dos Campos, along with Commander Alcir, aboard the aircraft seen in the left corner, an Xingu aircraft, and they were questioned about whether they had spotted any objects. They pursued these objects. On four occasions, they observed these objects and attempted to approach them. One of these objects was especially large, and they observed it from a reasonable distance. Colonel Ozires didn't have a sense of size, but witnesses on the ground, witnesses I discovered later, were able to estimate the size of this object, which would have been a mothership reported in the audio recordings of the Air Force from that occasion. This object would have been around 1,500 meters in length, and there would have been smaller objects accompanying the flight of this larger object.
In Brasília, in the outskirts of the city, in the Gama region, we have a Navy training center, at the time with the name Cadest, which has a different name today. On one occasion, there were 120 military personnel present there who observed the passage of objects over the unit, and many of them had to be assisted due to the emotional impact of the sighting.

To the right, we have three photographs of the objects, which were published in the Vale Paraibano newspaper days later and were taken that night by reporter Adenir Britto. He was alerted that there were objects over the city, and he took these photographs. Later, the negatives were taken by a scientist for analysis, were never returned, and the analysis itself was never disclosed.

Here we have another map indicating the manifestations around 9 PM. These manifestations most likely exceeded the quantity of 21 objects reported by the Air Force. Given the number of cities and witnesses, there are many more than 21 objects. Speaking with military personnel, they confirmed that the number of 21 objects is only what was recorded on radar and visually confirmed by the military. If civilians observed objects in other regions that were not somehow picked up by radar, that did not enter the Air Force's count. So, it's a much more extensive event than we initially thought.

At the same time these observations were happening in Brazil, similar observations with the same type of behavior and the same type of object were reported in our neighbor, Uruguay.

Faced with so many manifestations, and with these objects flying over Brazilian airbases and strategic government facilities, several fighter jets were scrambled for interception.

On the left, we have Lieutenant Cleber, the first pilot to take off for interception. He took off at 10:34 AM, spotted a luminous object, and for approximately 20 minutes, he pursued the object he had seen, which also appeared on his onboard radar and the Air Force's radar. During this pursuit, there were interferences with onboard equipment, which jeopardized the safety of the aircraft, including due to the disorientation caused by this interference. However, with the extreme competence of the pilot and the operators, he was directed to return to the base.

Here, on the right, we have Captain Jordão, who took off at 10:50 AM. He saw lights, and at one point, 13 objects positioned themselves behind the aircraft, flying in formation, with 6 on one side and 7 on the other, demonstrating complete intelligence in their behavior. This rules out any possibility of a natural phenomenon, as some skeptics tried to suggest in this case.


The pilot, after being followed by these objects, attempted a maneuver to observe what was trailing the aircraft and did not see any objects. These objects were already moving away.

Three more pilots were scrambled to join the pursuit. At the top, we have Captain Viriato. Captain Viriato managed, on five occasions, to lock his onboard radar onto these objects. Through his onboard radar, he witnessed one of these objects undergoing an enormous acceleration, reaching approximately Mach 15, which is between 15,000 km/h and 18,000 km/h, a speed that our aircraft have not been able to match to this day. Furthermore, this object accelerated at this very high speed while flying in a zigzag pattern. Any terrestrial aircraft attempting such a tight turn at this speed would be destroyed because of the tremendous resistance and pressure generated on the aircraft, resulting in complete loss of control.

Captain Rodolfo was accompanied by an object that displayed intelligent behavior toward his aircraft. In fact, when he executed maneuvers, the object would anticipate them, positioning itself in front of or behind the aircraft, predicting the maneuvers he was about to make. This object was not detected on his onboard radar, only on ground-based radars, and he did not visually see anything.

At the bottom, we have Captain Rozemberg, who neither saw nor recorded anything on his onboard radar.

All of this received extensive media coverage and was confirmed in two press conferences by the Brazilian Air Force on May 21st and 23rd. A report was promised within 30 days, but it was only released approximately 30 years later. Nevertheless, the report itself is quite revealing.

Here, we have some pages of documents related to the case. On the left, we have Brazilian documents; on the right, we have American documents discussing this night full of sightings here in Brazil.

Speaker 1:

Jackson, if you'll allow me, please, just to acknowledge your presence. You'll have your time, don't worry, we'll make up for it. I would like to welcome the elementary school students from the Indi School (Natural Institute of Child Development) here in Brasília. Welcome to the Federal Senate. I am very happy to see more and more young people, children, teenagers, and, as we saw a little while ago, adults and seniors visiting the Federal Senate, which is open for visits after this period of the pandemic. People are coming to see what belongs to them, where important decisions for the country are made. Thank you very much to the teachers for this initiative - congratulations! - and to the students. God bless you!

Very well. Your time is restored, so don't worry. I apologize for the interruption.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, Senator.

So, here we have three interesting excerpts from the final report, which came out almost 30 years later. These are conclusions from the Brazilian Air Force: these objects, recorded that night, varied their speeds from subsonic to supersonic, and they also remained in a hovering flight, meaning that the objects were stationary in the sky at one point and, at another point, they were accelerating up to Mach 15.


Ability to accelerate and decelerate abruptly. This is a very interesting characteristic because it was practically instantaneous, acceleration and deceleration. If it were one of our conventional aircraft, for example, any pilot on board would suffer the consequences. It would be fatal for anyone on board.

Item 3 is more interesting. Conclusion from the Air Force: "As a conclusion of the observed facts in almost all presentations, this Command is of the opinion that the objects are solid and reflect, to some extent, intelligence due to their ability to follow and maintain distance from observers, as well as to fly in formation, not necessarily manned." The Air Force's conclusion possibly excludes the possibility of having any crew inside these objects.

Some objects reported that night had a diameter or length of 30 meters; others were reported to be 1.5 kilometers long; most of them around 100 meters. I presume that an object of this size must necessarily be manned. By whom we still do not know.

This happened on May 19, 1986, at a time when there were no cell phones, people practically did not have cameras ready at home for photography, camcorders, etc., there was no internet. I ask each one of us here today: if this event were to happen again today, who would be prepared for it? It would be an event that would be widely publicized and filmed by thousands of people, it would be reported in real time, people would be alerted via WhatsApp and would go outside to witness the entire phenomenon. How could the reality of these facts be denied in the face of an event of this magnitude?

We, ufologists interested in the subject, students of these mysteries, are prepared to face this fact. But what about those who have no knowledge of this? What would be the impact on these people? Possibly, the impact would not be good. Many would question their beliefs, feel insecure...

So, it is extremely important that authorities from the Air Force, mainly, and I also call on the Navy and the Army, which have never released their documentation, provide this documentation so that we can conduct a more in-depth study of events like this, so that we can raise awareness among the population, show that it is a real fact, that it happens, that it is true, and, above all, that a committee is formed, as has already been said here, composed of military personnel, scientists, and ufologists, to study this, understand this phenomenon, and raise awareness among the population because, if they are non-human intelligences, not originating from any nation on Earth, one day they may decide to make contact, and we need to be ready for that.

That's my message.

Thank you all.

Speaker 1:

Very grateful, Mr. Jackson Luiz Camargo, Information Technology manager, specialist in the analysis of official documentation. He is a member of the Center for Exobiological Research and Investigation (Cipex), a consultant for the UFO magazine, editor of the Portal Fenomenum website, and author of the books "UFOs in Space and on the Moon" and "The Official Night of UFOs in Brazil."

I am very pleased with your participation. Thank you very much for coming to the Federal Senate and for the excellent presentation.