Nur Najiha Puteri: Can we discuss here?
Wayne Ng: yeah ok
Nur Najiha Puteri: My ideas are a mess - still figuring out to tie fantasy concepts to surrealistic artworks
Wayne Ng: i've only read the texts so i haven't decided what to do yet, we try to get this part at least decided by tonight
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
Which texts?
have you read
Wayne Ng: the three you linked
Nur Najiha Puteri: wasnt that pei ning?
Wayne Ng: oh, well those 3 anyway
last monday we mentioned something about a definition we each had to talk about right?
or aspect
Nur Najiha Puteri: Yeah we need to unpack the fantasy
Traits of fantasy in slide 4. However, we need to explain those elements
Wayne Ng: which one are you going to focus on?
Nur Najiha Puteri: Before linking them to our artworks.. I think I can tap on irrationality
Spontaneity too
becaue some artists use a technique that's related
Wayne Ng: so you're going to cover the irrational/spontaneity aspect ?
Nur Najiha Puteri: Yes. Irrationality and spontaneity.
What about you?
Wait, idk leh spontaneity or dreamlike ... coz I need to figure out how to explain
Wayne Ng: then i'll look into satire
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
Great
Wayne Ng: the definitions we can iron out later
Nur Najiha Puteri: OKay
sure thats good then
I'm not going to elborate on time periods for surrealist fantasy though, I think this can be introduced at the beginning
Pei Ning can touch on that
Wayne Ng: yeah sure
Nur Najiha Puteri: Idk much about that
We need to mention Freud
Because his theories on psychoanalysis influenced Surrealistic art
Wayne Ng: so anyway from a cursory glance satire in surrealism: i'll probably be focusing more on the dada artists
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
The artists or artworks?
And how do they tie in to surrealists
Wayne Ng: dada precedes surrealism
both have similarities with avant garde representations, but dada was less fantastical than surrealist art
Dada was an artistic/poetic response to the bourgeois madness that caused the first WW.
Surrealism built on this nonsensicle foundation by incorporating dreams, fleeting thoughts, and "automatic writing" into artistic production.
Surrealism later became a style noted for its dreaminess.... illogic, irrational visualization or rendition of seemingly random, unrelated elements tapping the subconscious.

Dada was a first resort for aiding in the shedding of rationality in the aftermath of mass slaughter in the name of nationalist self expression, ie war between nations.
i'll just adapt this and paraphrase
Nur Najiha Puteri: Wow, great explanation
That's good
Wayne Ng: don't use word for word i copied it off quora
but for my case i'm thinking i'll focus on the more satirical elements, which should be straightforward in dada but i'll have to find something for normal surrealism
Nur Najiha Puteri: Normal surrealism meaning a surrealistic artwork that doesnt have dada in them?
Wayne Ng: as in artworks situated right during the surrealism movement
dada isn't exactly surrealism
Nur Najiha Puteri: I know dada isnt surrealism. I thought you were going to talk about a transitional artwork
Wayne Ng: more or less
though i'm not too sure so i'll need to look something up
Nur Najiha Puteri: Dali's lobster telephone
Wayne Ng: most obvious choice would be fountain but i don't think i should put it in
Nur Najiha Puteri: It's not a painting, they are objects put together - which can be dada
and it is by dali
Wayne Ng: hmm
Nur Najiha Puteri: it looks like a readymade like fountain. can use for transition
Do you want to talk about Freud?
Wayne Ng: we can probably mention him
or are you asking me to talk about him
Nur Najiha Puteri: if you want to talk about him, it would be good
i was referring to that ^
Wayne Ng: i don't mind
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok, we need to make an order for when to present. I was thinking The Kiss artwork, which is related to unconscious - can be a follow up
of Freud's explanation, which you will talk about
I will talk on The Kiss
* The Lovers, not the kiss
Wayne Ng: ok
Nur Najiha Puteri: What do you think?
Wayne Ng: i don't mind
can fine tune tomorrow
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
Anyways, Todorov is one fantasy author, another one is alfred burr, the one Pei Ning talked about
I have Todorov's book rn, maybe if  we meet I'll share them
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Wayne Ng: sure
also when and where would be good to meet tomorrow?
Nur Najiha Puteri: If Central Area, maybe Bugis
NLB
Wayne Ng: ok
Nur Najiha Puteri: Tomorrow noon onwards is ok for me. We need to ask Pei Ning too
Wayne Ng: i'm ok with noon
Nur Najiha Puteri: Yes, I'm ok with afternoon too
Wayne Ng: just put it on whatsapp first, if she can't come that early then we can start first
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
What else
do we need to discuss? I need to sleep soon
Wayne Ng: we can discuss the rest tomorrow
right now what we need to tie down is getting the definitions, pieces, logistics, flow
logistics least important imo
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok
Wayne Ng: that should be it then, see you
Nur Najiha Puteri: Ok sure. tmr's plan we update again on whattsapp
see you
Nur Najiha Puteri has left.