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Atheist Intelligent Design

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  1. → NewChatte has joined
  2. ⓘ <Igel> capitalism is stupi
  3. NewChatte
  4. I was walking in the woods and came across a shed.
  5. Inside that shed I found this channel.
  6. fierygt
  7. good for you
  8. NewChatte
  9. fierygt: Want to hear a surprising truth?
  10. You're not ready for it.
  11. fierygt
  12. truth can be manipulated. fact...can not.
  13. NewChatte
  14. I'm one of the smartest humans you've ever met but you're moderately high intelligence is insufficient to fully draw out my brilliance.
  15. fierygt
  16. except that, i've never met you.
  17. NewChatte
  18. Prediction: You're respond with some childhood heuristic.
  19. It depends on the definition of 'meet'.
  20. My definition, in this context, is 'had some interaction with that person's mind, in real time'
  21. This is a post-internet definition of meet -- recognizing that a lot of human interaction is digital and not face-to-face.
  22. You'll respond*
  23. fierygt: Do you enjoy analyzing the meaning of art?
  24. Say, in a semi-formal manner.
  25. fierygt
  26. oh, who doesn't!
  27. NewChatte
  28. I am interested in your perspective on the meaning of this song and video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlNjQ5TTF4
  29. +|Ael|
  30. Enigma - Amen - YouTube
  31. NewChatte
  32. I've been thinking about it for about ten days.
  33. There is a lot of symbolism that seems hard to precisely explain.
  34. For example, she holds two spheres in her hands with some visible symbols.
  35. What is the meaning of those spheres?
  36. Also, there's that sphere in orbit that looks like a moon with a smaller black sphere between it and our perspective.
  37. Is that related to the two spheres in her hands?
  38. What is she?
  39. Is she a non-human goddess?
  40. Is she the manifestation of humanity?
  41. She appears to be observing humanity.
  42. What does her torch represent?
  43. Hope?
  44. Awareness?
  45. fierygt
  46. her torch represents a joint.
  47. NewChatte
  48. It's sort of snowing.
  49. What does that mean?
  50. A loss of hope?
  51. Is it ash?
  52. fierygt
  53. the snow represents frozen water.
  54. NewChatte
  55. See, you're dumb.
  56. And that's not my preference.
  57. (You're not really dumb)
  58. Your IQ is about 125.
  59. fierygt
  60. no. i just don't care about this that much.
  61. NewChatte
  62. But you aren't that inquisitive compared to me.
  63. I think you're much, much more inquisitive than most humans you engage.
  64. But you give up pretty easily, I've noticed.
  65. fierygt
  66. why? because i don't want to bother with an 'enigma' song, right now?
  67. NewChatte
  68. You get mentally fatigued in debate.
  69. fierygt
  70. ok
  71. NewChatte
  72. Because I have previously observed your mind.
  73. Did you see the video?
  74. I have saved several conversations I've had with you.
  75. fierygt
  76. good for you. coincidentally, i have them saved, too.
  77. NewChatte
  78. You answered the second question first.
  79. Indicating it was more emotionally salient for you.
  80. Perhaps you perceived it as a claim by men to have power over you.
  81. Which you negated by signaling you, too, have these conversations.
  82. This is what dumb minds do.
  83. Smart minds just learn when there is the opportunity to learn.
  84. by me*
  85. Ignoring fierygt!*@*
  86. NewChatte
  87. Anyways, I put you on ignore.
  88. You have a pretty robust pattern of responding poorly to being directly challenged.
  89. You tend to immediately, and relatively intensely, going into ego-defense mode.
  90. Again, and this is what humans look like at IQ 125-130.
  91. Our species may be doomed.
  92. http://pastebin.com/kwFrkv1n
  93. +|Ael|
  94. fieryUSA is terrible at debate - Pastebin.com
  95. NewChatte
  96. This is from a long time ago. I believe you repeatedly engaged in fallacies when your knowledge frontier was surpassed.
  97. I'll give you one compliment.
  98. You do not typically get very aggressive in assigning ill-intent to your chat partners when you lose control of the debate.
  99. Which is pretty standard behavior at IQ 100 and below.
  100. So, thank you for that.
  101. How do people at IQ 150 respond to being personally challenged?
  102. To contrast it with 125 and 100.
  103. 'What evidence do you have of your claim?'
  104. Followed by evidence evaluation along with synthesis into existing worldview.
  105. Then, possible update of beliefs.
  106. If the other is detected to be smarter, that person is accepted in that role.
  107. There is no defense of self.
  108. NewChatte
  109. I've been reading about Buddhist solipsism, lately.
  110. Here's a thought I had:
  111. It makes sense, as one model, to frame Western philosophy using a linear progression similar to the Roman Catholic Church's ecumenical councils.
  112. That is, different sects of Christianity sort of fall off from the RCC's ideology evolution at each of the ~20 ecumenical councils.
  113. I think that solipsism is often received pretty negatively by many Western thinkers.
  114. Here is why I think that is:
  115. Solipsism is a pretty coherent interpretation of the subjective experiences of a human mind.
  116. It's not clear it is possible to use the 2500 years of Western philosophy and science to refute solipsism.
  117. So, in the ecumenical council model, solipsism probably exits at the first council (Nicea)
  118. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Ecumenical_Councils#Ecumenical_Councils_of_Antiquity
  119. +|Ael|
  120. Catholic Ecumenical Councils - Wikipedia ( http://tinyurl.com/zgrhgg9 )
  121. NewChatte
  122. This leads to very deep, long-lasting, and potentially irreconcilable differences with solipsism and the Big Bang-theory of evolution-brains as intragenerational data storage devices-mind as a simulation-predicting engine narrative that seems to represent the contemporary metaphysical worldview.
  123. Sometimes when I free-write, as I am currently doing, people will Google my posts because they assume I'm copying and pasting them.
  124. When they find out I am not they are surprised and do not update their beliefs nor present that contradictory evidence.
  125. I wonder what it's like to have an IQ of 175.
  126. There aren't many of those beings.
  127. What errors in my thinking do they observer?
  128. observe*
  129. NewChatte
  130. This is what it looks like when a person is very smart, fierygt, and doesn't spend their cognitive resources defending their ego.
  131. I suggest you mimic this behavior.
  132. @_OldSchoo
  133. One of them would probably your obsession with a questionable metric
  134. *be
  135. NewChatte
  136. IQ is probably the single most predictive metric of cognitive function that currently exists in science.
  137. Can you think of one better?
  138. Prediction: You won't have any followup and your initial post will be revealed to be social-leveling intelligent-designed to be an attempt to engage in psychometrics.
  139. Ignoring _OldSchoo!*@*
  140. NewChatte
  141. I put you on ignore, _OldSchoo.
  142. Reason: You think intelligent-designified arguments masquerading and science and/or philosophy are legitimate human actions.
  143. But, they are not.
  144. For they do not develop the individual, nor build robust nation states.
  145. as science*
  146. I have exhausted the cognitive 'resources' of this channel.
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