[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] LilyAC#7887
i think rufflet is bad for the meta but not banworthy

[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] Luthier#1578
u guys are a bunch of fools

[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] LilyAC#7887
for example

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[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] BurntZebra#8147
if something gets banned or not

[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] levi#6206
im pro rufflet ban too

[23-Feb-20 08:31 PM] hongli#4483
ban rufflet

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[23-Feb-20 08:32 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i could get behind a rufflet ban tbh

[23-Feb-20 08:32 PM] BurntZebra#8147
80% to hit brave birds/close combat

[23-Feb-20 08:32 PM] hongli#4483
@ council react this post :waving: to qb rufflet, :sadaf: if you think ruff is balanced

[23-Feb-20 08:32 PM] BurntZebra#8147
makes it too rng reliant

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] BurntZebra#8147
and you have aerial ace once you ohko all the other threats

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] hongli#4483
aace highkey sucks

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] hongli#4483
on rufflet

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] hongli#4483
well it's fine as a last slot on scarf

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] hongli#4483
other sets it's bad though

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] BurntZebra#8147
yeah barely any reason to run another move on scarf

[23-Feb-20 08:33 PM] BurntZebra#8147
unless youre worried about honedge

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] BurntZebra#8147
idk

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] BurntZebra#8147
roost bulk up

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] BurntZebra#8147
has some merit to running aerial ace

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] Shrug#7659
roost bu should unequiv be aa

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] BurntZebra#8147
tell that to lily

[23-Feb-20 08:34 PM] Ninja#8225
scarfs bad roost bu goat

[23-Feb-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
scarf: brainlet

[23-Feb-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
bu roost: normal brain

[23-Feb-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
bu agility: galaxy brain

[23-Feb-20 08:35 PM] Shrug#7659
band: dr manhattan brain

[23-Feb-20 08:35 PM] BurntZebra#8147
what about setting up bu agility vs a scarf diglett

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] starmaster#8286
idk how so many ppl have brought rufflet to spl

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] BurntZebra#8147
at least 50% of its usage is lily

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] BurntZebra#8147
tbh

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] Ninja#8225
i tried to convince luthier to use it like every week in snake he never agreed

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] starmaster#8286
using rufflet w/o aace is so cringe

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] starmaster#8286
how can u use hustle mons in spl

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] starmaster#8286
so inconsistent and dumb

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] starmaster#8286
with ace its ok at least

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] BurntZebra#8147
hone claws rufflet

[23-Feb-20 08:36 PM] hongli#4483
just blame hax if you lose

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] levi#6206
rufflet wasnt even

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] Ninja#8225
if u think ur op is better idt going for like hitting 2 80% to win is bad

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] levi#6206
her biggest hax

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] levi#6206
in either of her losses

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] levi#6206
to its misses

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] BurntZebra#8147
blame hax when wingull doesnt burn tirt with first scald

[23-Feb-20 08:37 PM] levi#6206
rufflet is so good

[23-Feb-20 08:39 PM] starmaster#8286
well if u think ur opp is better u have a losing mentality

[23-Feb-20 08:39 PM] starmaster#8286
lol.

[23-Feb-20 08:39 PM] levi#6206
it has nothing to do w better or worse

[23-Feb-20 08:39 PM] levi#6206
rufflet is optimal

[23-Feb-20 08:39 PM] levi#6206
i will die by this

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] BurntZebra#8147
hmm

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] BurntZebra#8147
which should we suspect first

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] BurntZebra#8147
rufflet or vulpix

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] BurntZebra#8147
is it time for another poll

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] LilyAC#7887
how about wingull

[23-Feb-20 08:40 PM] levi#6206
70%

[23-Feb-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
guys can we keep council discussion serious?

[23-Feb-20 08:41 PM] LilyAC#7887
😭

[23-Feb-20 08:41 PM] BurntZebra#8147
do you think rufflet isnt banworthy

[23-Feb-20 08:41 PM] BurntZebra#8147
serious question

[23-Feb-20 08:41 PM] hongli#4483
with apix in the meta i think it's super unhealthy

[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] hongli#4483
idt i would consider it broken if we get rid of her though

[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] BurntZebra#8147
can any other mon be scarf, band, agility, bulk up, agility+bulk up, or roost+bulk up

[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i assume theres no good reason to run sheer force hurricane ruff

[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] levi#6206
vullaby but 80% of the time it's 50% stronger

[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] levi#6206
it might be strictly more banworthy than gull in sm

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[23-Feb-20 08:42 PM] levi#6206
if we use the same train of thought i think

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[23-Feb-20 08:43 PM] Coconut#8762
if you're going to put together

[23-Feb-20 08:43 PM] Coconut#8762
a serious case to ban rufflet

[23-Feb-20 08:43 PM] Coconut#8762
that's fine

[23-Feb-20 08:43 PM] levi#6206
ok

[23-Feb-20 08:43 PM] levi#6206
one sec

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[23-Feb-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
every single rufflet set accomplishes the same thing

[23-Feb-20 08:44 PM] BurntZebra#8147
🤔

[23-Feb-20 08:44 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i feel like thats not true

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[23-Feb-20 08:45 PM] BurntZebra#8147
scarf rufflet isnt really doing the same thing as bulk up roost ruff

[23-Feb-20 08:45 PM] BurntZebra#8147
band ruff is just nuking as many things as possible

[23-Feb-20 08:45 PM] BurntZebra#8147
before it dies

[23-Feb-20 08:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
scarf ruff can theoretically clean

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[23-Feb-20 08:46 PM] Ninja#8225
idt scarf ruff is good at all the bu ruff is the threat

[23-Feb-20 08:46 PM] Coconut#8762
rufflet's either trying to be a wincon or a wallbreaker

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[23-Feb-20 08:46 PM] Shrug#7659
nominating pablo for council. hes good at the game, a smart, thoughtful presence,and being here might give him practice talking to girls in a structured environment

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[23-Feb-20 08:46 PM] Shrug#7659
idk if im allowed to nom ppl for council but

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
is tazz on a sabbatical

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
and/or will he be allowed to return

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] Coconut#8762
pablo's playing lc with me it's fine.

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does pablo ever flirt with you

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] Coconut#8762
and don't worry about that right now

[23-Feb-20 08:47 PM] Coconut#8762
let's focus on the actual suspects

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[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] Ninja#8225
it would make sense to add the clear greatest lcer of all time though

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] levi#6206
https://pastebin.com/HD41d9Si

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] levi#6206
@Coconut

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] LilyAC#7887
ok now

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] hongli#4483
actually memeing in here kinda just makes things harder for quote if he's trying to round up things, so i'll refrain from doing this in the future

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] LilyAC#7887
lets stop talking about rufflet

[23-Feb-20 08:48 PM] hongli#4483
didn't think of it from that perspective

[23-Feb-20 08:49 PM] levi#6206
i see making things harder for quote as a strict positive

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[23-Feb-20 08:53 PM] levi#6206
I've readded permissions to send messages in this channel for council members. Please refrain from trolling in this channel in the future as it's unfair to Quote.

[23-Feb-20 08:53 PM] Ninja#8225
Thanks levi

[23-Feb-20 08:53 PM] BurntZebra#8147
ok, lesson learned

[23-Feb-20 08:53 PM] levi#6206
np

[23-Feb-20 08:57 PM] Kingler#6931
Levi wrote a thesis LMAO

[23-Feb-20 08:57 PM] Kingler#6931
I think with knock on more stuff in the tier it’s less of an issue tbh

[23-Feb-20 08:58 PM] Kingler#6931
Very good but def not broken imo

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[23-Feb-20 09:01 PM] BurntZebra#8147
oh that explains why it said rufflet was a fighting resist

[23-Feb-20 09:01 PM] BurntZebra#8147
and said scald+brave bird

[23-Feb-20 09:01 PM] LilyAC#7887
i brought up rufflet as an example of something that isnt banworthy

[23-Feb-20 09:01 PM] LilyAC#7887
and now we're discussing banning it

[23-Feb-20 09:01 PM] LilyAC#7887
can't we just focus on apix?

[23-Feb-20 09:02 PM] levi#6206
oke