you see this last night
Trevor - Yesterday at 8:26 PM
i would of joined the fight but on sunday a little after noon he showed me just how much of a jerk dick head he is and now we won't be fighting together anymore
Trevor - Yesterday at 8:35 PM
hell sunday @Paith told me i do a ton of things wrong in pvp
Abyss - Today at 2:20 PM
Yeah I did
A little ridiculous he would post that publically
But clearly he is still upset
Paith - Today at 2:21 PM
which is weird bc i got into it with you and leet
and said he was off target once
in a fight we won
Abyss - Today at 2:22 PM
He doesn't think he did anything wrong in that fight even though everyone else there is aware of it given the writeup
Paith - Today at 2:22 PM
its not even about what he thinks or not
my callout to him in our chat
was that he was off target
and hes that mad about it 3 days later?
christ almighty
Abyss - Today at 2:24 PM
Leet and I talked about it last night
Paith - Today at 2:25 PM
i mean that was like a 0 out of the stuff we were talking about
the smallest deal brought up
Abyss - Today at 2:25 PM
Trev is just wrong, his expanation for running away on foot is understandable but was certainly a wrong choice because I went on foot in the middle of all of them on purpose at the very point he was running away
Paith - Today at 2:25 PM
i was mildly annoyed when i woke up monday
Abyss - Today at 2:25 PM
The much larger problem is what he doesn't do when he came back on screen
Paith - Today at 2:25 PM
but was over it and wasnt mad
figured thats how everyone was going to be
was surprised when he wrote that last night in public chat
thats all
Abyss - Today at 2:26 PM
Yeah but he clearly feels personally insulted
Even though lots of people were insulted
And his "insult" was iron class
Clad
He was wrong/played bad, you brought it up, obviously not in the most graceful way or most ideal circumstances
But the critique is valid
Paith - Today at 2:27 PM
so now until he gets over it... he wont log on if im on?  thats what i got out of his message or maybe i just cant "@" him ?
i dunno
Abyss - Today at 2:27 PM
He can't take critique
I interpreted it as he will not come to any @ from anyone if you are there
Which is obviously way overkill and not sustainable
Paith - Today at 2:28 PM
now this is un-needed guild drama
we are too small also
Abyss - Today at 2:28 PM
I asked leet to message him about it since I think he'd get the best results, seeing how serious Trev really is
But he didn't message him
Yet at least
Paith - Today at 2:28 PM
ya i probably shouldnt have brought it up
i was getting annoyed and more annoyed when he was jumping in
Abyss - Today at 2:29 PM
I believe he is being quite serious just because he posted it publically
Paith - Today at 2:29 PM
ya me too
Abyss - Today at 2:29 PM
And was clearly trying to stir shit up by tagging you there
Can we just be honest here and blame Randy
If he hadn't have wrongly called out you we would never have reviewed it
Paith - Today at 2:29 PM
it all started cause he wanted to yell at me
lol
this is all over 5 fights that we won, too
thats the funniest part.
Abyss - Today at 2:30 PM
Yeah
Paith - Today at 2:30 PM
id hate to see how easily we fall apart on a loss
with video break down
lol
Abyss - Today at 2:30 PM
Yeah seriously
Paith - Today at 2:31 PM
i mean if i saw it on video id just go jesus i fucked up im not perfect my bad
Abyss - Today at 2:31 PM
Trevor is just sensitive and I guess we have to tiptoe around it, but you need to be able to take fair critiques that are not personal attacks(edited)
Paith - Today at 2:31 PM
i guess well see how it plays out.  i think these few days of me being away is a good thing
Abyss - Today at 2:32 PM
Yeah probably, it provides a nice natural buffer
But I do think even with a break it'll have to be breached, probably in our private channel
Paith - Today at 2:33 PM
ya i do feel like he holds a grudge if he thinks he has reason to
weather he is right or wrong about it
Abyss - Today at 2:33 PM
Just like a "sorry if you felt like I was attacking you, things obviously got out of hand that night, but there was legitimate conversation about that fight because Randy told me out, and after reviewing it your play was pretty shaky. I probably should not have brought it up right then, however it was something that was on my mind since some of us had been talking about the content of that video"
Paith - Today at 2:34 PM
ya i have no problem saying that.
Abyss - Today at 2:34 PM
Yeah I definitely agree, he will hold a grudge for a very long time for very stupid reasons, sometimes we'll be talking about a random person and he'll be like fucking hate that guy and it's like a super random hatred
Some guy you would think he has never interacted with
Paith - Today at 2:35 PM
just strange over something so small when we have played together for so long
Abyss - Today at 2:36 PM
Yeah I agree, but I don't think it's a coincidence that he's this angry and it's one of the few times someone has called him out directly for his play
I think how so many people outside of our Guild always say shit like Trev is the best Archer really inflates his ego and he doesn't really know how to handle criticism, especially not from within(edited)
Paith - Today at 2:38 PM
ya i didnt think about that
luckily all outside guilds always call me shit
keep me in my place
Abyss - Today at 2:38 PM
Lol
At-large it actually is kind of a big issue though, since against the better guilds that fights really are a lot closer than they used to be, I know leet and I have talked for a long time about how trev will Chase someone with a war Fork and not moving shot when he should, or slow to get targets because EC
It really doesn't help that his gargoyle has never been very good, it's Archer made his dad because he's bad at playing a Mage and it's a sheet template, and the fact that he is clearly way out of this element on a Pfister, at least a mage Pfister
I'm using voice to text and I'm going to leave all those mistakes and that message because I think they're hilarious
Paith - Today at 2:40 PM
lol
If fs starts playing fister only groups
i think we will need to do refines
and elf
i also think if we have a few archers with that set up
mages can sit in back and just hold heals
and easily out heal it
Abyss - Today at 2:41 PM
Honestly I think we should for the most part counter fister's with sisters
Paith - Today at 2:41 PM
while we systematically disarm-fuck each one
Abyss - Today at 2:42 PM
Playing anything without evasion is just too fucking dangerous
Paith - Today at 2:42 PM
it wouldnt be if you had 80 energy plus pies
:open_mouth:
Abyss - Today at 2:42 PM
Trevor needs either an 80 energy Archer or an evasion Splinter Fister
We're never going to have energy pies
Paith - Today at 2:42 PM
even at 80 energy tho
18 damage fists can be healed through
and they will only sync the first fist
Abyss - Today at 2:43 PM
Yes for sure, but you have to look at the situation and think how not only can we survive but then also kill them
When they have six, for Sixers, their healing is insane
We have to be able to instantly blow someone up because otherwise it's going to take us an hour to kill anybody
Paith - Today at 2:43 PM
my fister doesnt have evade
which i think makes him a liability
i also dont think randy was evading when he was getting fist synced the other day
btw
Abyss - Today at 2:44 PM
Somewhat yeah, but we are this whole thing is reliant on us having either a few evasion Mages or Mage fister's to curse
Paith - Today at 2:44 PM
I think id rather be mage with explode... drop explode, evade
Abyss - Today at 2:44 PM
And Sensei sister evasion Mage is not possible (or is it?) A couple of Asian Majors is probably fine
Paith - Today at 2:44 PM
then curse
holy hell i have no clue what that was supposed to say
Abyss - Today at 2:45 PM
And sense evasion Pfister Mages are not possible, or are they, a couple of evasion Mages is probably
Fine
The thing I was noticing when we had more sisters of the that the curses are never fast enough
Sister equals fister always
I think we only need like four fisters and 2 Mages something like that
Paith - Today at 2:47 PM
Ya
Plus i could hopefully get curses off
you take out like one of them and they will be useless, too
well also... they need like their entire crew on for them to stand a chance
Abyss - Today at 2:48 PM
Yeah for sure
If it's like 5v6 we can dominate with 2-3 fisters
I'll be on my mind most of the time against them, and I hope Gwen will be too
Travis clearly most comfortable on an Archer and not much else so if we can get him in 80 energy that would solve a lot of the problems for him
Paith - Today at 2:49 PM
trev running them down would be helpful
ya
i think that set up is really deadly
2 mages, 1 archer, 3 fisters
have the sepctrum of everything
Abyss - Today at 2:49 PM
Me, Gwen, leet on splinter fister's, Trevor on Archer, you and Randy on evasion
Mages
Paith - Today at 2:49 PM
ya
Abyss - Today at 2:49 PM
Yeah that's super strong
The only problem is fucking moored as usual
He literally doesn't have a character that I'd want him to play against that group
Paith - Today at 2:50 PM
ya his healing mage would be OK
but he positions himself too shitty
Abyss - Today at 2:50 PM
Yeah but he only made just barely passable against them, he must have evasion
Paith - Today at 2:50 PM
he probably would suck with evasion
another huge difference with evasion that we will see
is if you get hit once you can evade and know youll live
if you get hit here.. its all so instant you might not get to evade (which is also what i think was happening to randy)
Abyss - Today at 2:52 PM
Yeah touching back on the Randy thing after one or two of his deaths I started watching him because I knew he'd be the Target and oftentimes he would evade at like 40%
It basically needs to be preemptive when we run into them or they run into us
And he was waiting until he saw damage hit him which was too late
Paith - Today at 2:53 PM
Ya thats what im saying.. .we will need to do what they do... like everyone together
when we run in.. literally everyone evade
go for kill.. run back wait for timer
shitty pvp but only way to combat that gayness
Abyss - Today at 2:53 PM
Yeah
I'm pretty sure that I'm going to go else plus 80 energy and 75 fire on my sister
We don't fight many Dexter's and the character is good enough at surviving against Dexter's anyways
Paith - Today at 2:54 PM
ya i dont really want to lose another 5 dci on my guy.
im torn
ya yours is for sure
Abyss - Today at 2:54 PM
Yeah I don't know that I'd be comfortable with 35 DCI on an evasion weapon mage, 4/6 is really the only thing that makes it possible I think
And I'm only keeping the 75 fire since I know they'll have at least one mage, and so that I can play the character against everyone since everyone else only plays mages
Paith - Today at 2:56 PM
ya and once they lose enough with these chars... they will go back to corpse-synching.. maybe
they clearly didnt like that they couldnt target you and leet on the fisters
Abyss - Today at 2:59 PM
Yeah, they didn't like not being able to Target to the main people that they usually Target since we don't have evasion usually, and clearly they recognize The lethality of fist
Paith - Today at 2:59 PM
but i think our set up will work better
if it doesnt... well adjust
simple as that
Abyss - Today at 3:03 PM
Yeah
Just need people like Trev and mord to adjust and make new characters and or suits
Paith - Today at 3:04 PM
yeah dunno if they will tho which puts us at a disadvantage
or easy target for them
Abyss - Today at 3:05 PM
Randy will strongarm mord into a character, Trev needs a diff archer that is an elf
If Travis can basically make an 80 energy elf Archer with his current template or something close, he'll be good
It could also finally give him the ability to do the EC ninja set up, that's probably how I would talk him into
Paith - Today at 3:06 PM
That actually would be really nice
But hed have to go elf
Abyss - Today at 3:07 PM
Cuz his suit certainly won't be as good as his normal one
Everything know I'm talking new character new suit
Paith - Today at 3:07 PM
Ooh gotcha
I thought just have a suit to swap
Abyss - Today at 3:07 PM
I definitely think there's value in keeping his current one intact
Paith - Today at 3:07 PM
Bc ec can do it instantly
If he wants to keep his char
He should do that at minimum tho
Abyss - Today at 3:08 PM
He's going to want to keep his character, he's a bearded female
That's like two bill now
Paith - Today at 3:08 PM
Ya I mean if he has no interest in making another char
Abyss - Today at 3:08 PM
having a separate character is going to be the path
Paith - Today at 3:08 PM
I hope he’ll at least piece together a suit that he can insta swap to 75 energy
Well that’s def the most effective path
Abyss - Today at 3:09 PM
But 75 with no Bushido prob isn't good enough
Paith - Today at 3:09 PM
But this is trev.
Abyss - Today at 3:09 PM
75 no bush no pies is rough still
Paith - Today at 3:09 PM
Alls I’m saying is good luck talking him into it lol
Abyss - Today at 3:09 PM
Yeah
Paith - Today at 3:09 PM
I think he should do a completely diff char
Bush archer elf
But he’s stubborn so I dunno
Abyss - Today at 3:11 PM
I agree that that char would be great, and my God I would love him not having a warfork
But I think he'll say it's too boring without a melee weapon, and it's probably okay for him to have one for disarms
Since it's better for me Gwen and leet to be pissing
Fisting
Paith - Today at 3:17 PM
He’ll need to do something tho
Abyss - Today at 3:18 PM
Yes he has to do something, a non evasion, no bush, 70 energy Archer will not survive against that group
Wish he had been there to experience it
He may have to get ass raped to change his mind
Paith - Today at 3:20 PM
It won’t change it
Even tho we saw how terribly gay it was
Abyss - Today at 3:24 PM
What won't change it
Him dying to it?
If it happens enough I think it will
Paith - Today at 3:27 PM
I guess we’ll have to go through the growing pangs then
Lol
Abyss - Today at 3:28 PM
Yeah I'll try to change his mind before that happens
Try and use leet and Randy to sway him
Paith - Today at 3:33 PM
Should I try?
:joy:
Abyss - Today at 3:35 PM
Lol good luck with that
"I know you think that I think you're bad, but what if I told you I had a solution to you not being bad?"
Paith - Today at 3:36 PM
Hahaha
Lol
“Hear me out”
Abyss - Today at 3:38 PM
I'll be doing my fister changes and then probably remaking/redoing my 80 energy Archer, still have it
Paith - Today at 3:38 PM
Nice
Abyss - Today at 3:39 PM
I don't know how these guys don't love changing shit, it's the only thing that keep stuff interesting
Paith - Today at 3:39 PM
I think I’m coming home tomorrow Bc last night wasn’t as fun as I thought it would be
Abyss - Today at 3:39 PM
Getting to make a new character or new suit that accomplishes something new is like Christmas morning for me
Paith - Today at 3:39 PM
Lol
Abyss - Today at 3:39 PM
Isn't Flavia there?
Paith - Today at 3:39 PM
Ya she’s taking a half day
We are either going to stay and go out
Or come back when she’s off
Still up in the air
Abyss - Today at 3:40 PM
I'd come back so that you can kind of live like normal
Paith - Today at 3:40 PM
Ya her place has like nothing
Like a fouton and a bed
Literally
I worked from home today
Laying on the ground
Was awful
Tv you say? Oh I had a 7 inch ipad
Abyss - Today at 3:41 PM
Rofl
Yeah that sounds awful for more than a night
Paith - Today at 3:45 PM
Ya good call I’m coming home tomorrow for sure
Unless it’s raining at home and not here
Pretty much only way I don’t
Abyss - Today at 3:55 PM
Weather shows raining both places sat/sun/mon
No rain at either tomorrow
Paith - Today at 3:59 PM
Then home it is