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- Staking Summit
- Monday, March 18 | 1 - 6 pm EST | New York
- See below the notes from the Staking Summit, which were documented by Meltem Demirors and have not been proof read. Please add comments using the mark up feature if you feel your discussion points are missing, were captured incorrectly, or require further context.
- Note this discussion was conducted under Chatham House Rules. If you are unclear on what that means, you can find the rules here. We are in the process of drafting a brief summary of the conversation for sharing in a public forum, which will be circulated via the “Staking Central” Telegram for review and edits before sharing.
- Looking forward to the next steps!
- Summit Overview and Objectives
- The initial agenda and topic list was drafted by the organizers as a starting point
- See here
- Attendees
- The below individuals were in attendance. I’ve also included those who could not attend but would like to participate in future events.
- Name
- Company
- Best Contact
- Michael Jordan
- Galaxy Digital
- Graham Smith
- Figment Capital
- Leah Jonas
- Celsius Network
- Quinn Lawlor
- Arrakis Mercantile
- Evan Weiss
- EON Capital
- Daoud Schelling
- Bitcoin Green
- Van Phu
- Floating Group
- Jacob Arluck
- TQ Group
- Santiago Santos
- EON Capital
- Joe
- Bison Trails
- Can Kisagun
- Enigma
- Meltem Demirors
- CoinShares
- Jason Stone
- Battlestar Capital
- Adam Carver
- Battlestar Capital
- Alex Mashinsky
- Celsius Network
- III. Brainstorm on Discussion Topics
- We had an open discussion of the topics and ideas everyone in the group would like to discuss, and they were categorized, organized, and defined in key categories, as listed below.
- Language & Syntax
- Distinguishing different types of PoS and communicating that
- Not easy to explain to investors what staking, slashing, etc is
- Language, syntax, and ways to describe staking that distinguishes work from governance and creates a new and specific lexicon
- Financial v technical implications and the difference between chains
- Education / Information Transparency / Data Services
- How do we educate users and provide information transparency
- Communicating from trusted sources
- Rankings for governance, decentralization, etc and create grading
- Disclosures - how do we set a standard for better disclosures around conflicts of interest
- Self-Regulation / Self-Policing
- Conflict disclosure
- Code of ethics
- Tax, Legal, Accounting
- Coordinated engagement with regulators
- Advocacy efforts and opportunities create templates, tools, and standards, including regulation, tax, control matters, and disclosures
- Legal implications of staking - how to design contracts for delegation
- Tax implications for how staking is defined - income v dividend
- Accounting firms signing off on these different types of treatments - getting Deloitte or PWC to sign off on this treatment
- Investment Products & Yield Generating Assets
- Creating investment products around staking
- Debt
- Using staking as a loan mechanism
- Figment: using a reverse repo
- Derivatives and prediction markets
- Self-sustaining fee markets
- Network Development & Decentralization
- Incentivizing smaller validators and encouraging decentralization - perhaps through UBI / progressive tax
- Does staking work as a mining / network maintenance mechanism
- Voting
- Separating governance from network
- Glass Steagal act - separation of duties between types of entities in the crypto ecosystem
- Tools and Services
- What types of services exist, how to think about them
- Categorization of services and common parameters to evaluate
- Communication between teams building protocols and service providers around parameters for design
- Learning from design mistakes
- User Experience
- Most of the yield is working nothing - how do we help people understand things like 10%+ yield are legitimate
- Creating easy experiences for people to participate in networks
- Economic Structure
- Scalability of staking strategies
- Impact of liquidation / chain switching on networks
- Compression of margins and returns over time
- Inflationary v deflationary models - explaining it in a way investors understand
- Rate fixing / cartel behavior - how do we design systems to prevent this behavior
- IV. Setting Agenda of Discussion Topics
- Attendees ranked priority issues from 1 - 10, and the issues were discussed in order from highest to lowest priority.
- Topic
- Priority Vote
- Investment Products
- 110
- Tax
- 108
- Economic structures
- 107
- Network Dev
- 106
- Language & Syntax
- 101
- UX
- 93
- Education
- 87
- Tools and Services
- 86
- Transparency
- 82
- V. Discussion of Topics
- i. Investment Products & Yield Generating Assets
- Ideas for Products
- Creating investment products around staking
- Debt
- Using staking as a loan mechanism
- Figment: using a reverse repo
- Derivatives and prediction markets
- Self-sustaining fee markets
- Parameters of Products
- Asset: Multi v single asset
- Yield: How to price and redeem yield
- Price volatility to staking yield
- Liquidity for the asset
- Borrow - governance rights
- Rate: Floating v fixed
- Legal implications: paying like for like in interest makes it different than cash products
- Structured products:
- MLPs and other tax advantaged vehicles: Are there examples of people doing this?
- Public v. private vehicles: Without a route to a publicly traded US vehicle
- Hedging options on the back end of a guaranteed yield product
- Compounding v cashing out / paying out in BTC
- Cost basis on gains
- Issues with Products
- Volatility - need more data to create a robust
- Number of robust staking networks
- Options - who owns the underlying the rights associated with the network
- Tax - when is there a taxable event
- Physical v synthetic delivery
- Examples of these Products
- NeptuneDASH - traded on the TSX, own masternodes and the sole purpose of the entity is to hold the masternodes and distribute the revenue as a dvidend
- Hut8 - hold and mine bitcoin
- CFTC ethereum post
- Next Steps
- Coordination and providing liquidity
- Treasury management products including staking products
- Products sub-group
- Who the investors are - want to get money in - how do we get people who don’t own crypto to own some crypto via this staking mechanism
- Narrative of bitcoin (scarce) v dividend / earning more
- ii. Tax, Legal, and Regulatory
- Notes from Topic Brainstorm
- Coordinated engagement with regulators
- Advocacy efforts and opportunities create templates, tools, and standards, including regulation, tax, control matters, and disclosures
- Legal implications of staking - how to design contracts for delegation
- Tax implications for how staking is defined - income v dividend
- Accounting firms signing off on these different types of treatments - getting Deloitte or PWC to sign off on this treatment
- Discussion on Tax
- 2014-21 memo from the IRS treats staking income as ordinary income
- Dividend income - no different than if you were a stock holder
- Non passive income - rental income on RE is treated as ordinary income, if you spend over 500 hours per year on it, then it is treated tax advantageously
- RSU - could staked interest on chain for something like delegation be treated as an RSU
- Savings income - losing out on inflation, so is there a tax benefit here
- 1099-MISC income - giving clients 1099’s at the end of the year
- Go to Britain first to work w HMS treasury on setting a precedent
- Fair Market Value - How do you track exchange price / price generally with a reliable market oracle - regulated exchanges
- Gibson report
- Rules around pink sheets OTC pricing
- When cryptopia went down, pricing for a lot of tokens disappeared because they were locked into the exchange. There is no venue to sell.
- Looking at LIBOR as an example? Looking at potentially creating a rate-setting mechanism amongst some of the larger players
- IRS will come up with guidance in 3-4 years, and they will likely use existing guidance from existing firms in the space
- Next Steps
- Review memo drafted by Santiago
- Private letter ruling
- Quote book or creating an inside ticker tape for these assets
- Create a public vehicle / group owned PB
- Get together the accounting firms to discuss and maybe publish something
- iii. Economic Structures
- Notes from Topic Brainstorm
- Scalability of staking strategies
- Impact of liquidation / chain switching on networks
- Compression of margins and returns over time
- Inflationary v deflationary models - explaining it in a way investors understand
- Rate fixing / cartel behavior - how do we design systems to prevent this behavior
- Discussion
- Most people view scarcity as the most important thing in crypto
- Emission schedule, slope of that curve, is very important to the investment value prop
- Linear curve v variable curve - relationship between emission schedule and interest in staking
- Chorus one / one protocol is focused on maximizing the yield - yield switching as a phenomenon
- Principal / agent problem - is it likely that there will be instances where agents ie service providers have an interest that conflicts with that of principals ie investors?
- In order to be competitive, have to be able to port assets over easily between service providers
- Factionalism in voting - have dynamically adjusting thresholds to ensure there is resolution of issues
- Selling voting rights - creating a market for governance
- Free rider problems - creating a second token to pay for protocol upgrades - could pay people who buy the token to vote on protocol outcomes
- How do you quantify governance v decentralization
- Exchanges taking clients’ staking rewards and selling them for their own gain`
- Networks will change how they incentivize block creation - limit the % of the tokens locked up in staking
- Next Steps
- Existential questions for the future of staking
- Buyer beware post
- Pressuring exchanges to be more transparent staking relationships
- Code of ethics via POSA
- Possibly litigation of exchanges who are keeping staking rewards
- iv. Networks and Decentralization
- Incentivizing smaller validators and encouraging decentralization - perhaps through UBI / progressive tax
- Does staking work as a mining / network maintenance mechanism
- v. Language & Syntax
- Notes from Topic Brainstorm
- Distinguishing different types of PoS and communicating that
- Not easy to explain to investors what staking, slashing, etc is
- Language, syntax, and ways to describe staking that distinguishes work from governance and creates a new and specific lexicon
- Financial v technical implications and the difference between chains
- Discussion
- Defining all of the different staking protocols
- Is there any service provider who could provide this?
- What not to say - don’t call it yield, don’t call it bond, call it interest
- Delegation - is it a financial service and does it require signing an agreement
- Implications for sharia compliance….
- Staking reward is the safest thing to say
- Ways to explain staking that could be beneficial:
- Anyone who holds a token can participate in securing the network
- Environmental friendliness
- Governance aspect
- Ways to promote utilizing common lexicon
- Standardizing v commoditizing language
- Not everything should be made equal across protocols but common understanding would be helpful
- Functional roles in the ecosystem
- Protocol devs
- App developers
- We did not address points 6 - 9
- VI. Wrap Up and Next Steps
- Draft a brief blog post highlighting discussion and outcomes of Summit and next steps
- Convene a Telegram Group (invites will be distributed, tentatively named “Staking Central”) to continue the conversation
- Convene this forum on a quarterly basis, perhaps in a shorter format. We are also looking at organizing a one day “conference” which will be a more structured, larger version of this event
- Begin Ecosystem “Map” / Directory efforts - Meltem created Google form, link to add companies here, please share broadly and widely. Will be synced to an AirTable or something on a public site - process TBD.
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