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  1. Staking Summit
  2. Monday, March 18 | 1 - 6 pm EST | New York
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  6. See below the notes from the Staking Summit, which were documented by Meltem Demirors and have not been proof read. Please add comments using the mark up feature if you feel your discussion points are missing, were captured incorrectly, or require further context.
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  8. Note this discussion was conducted under Chatham House Rules. If you are unclear on what that means, you can find the rules here. We are in the process of drafting a brief summary of the conversation for sharing in a public forum, which will be circulated via the “Staking Central” Telegram for review and edits before sharing.
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  10. Looking forward to the next steps!
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  14. Summit Overview and Objectives
  15. The initial agenda and topic list was drafted by the organizers as a starting point
  16.  
  17. See here
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  20. Attendees
  21. The below individuals were in attendance. I’ve also included those who could not attend but would like to participate in future events.
  22.  
  23. Name
  24. Company
  25. Best Contact
  26. Michael Jordan
  27. Galaxy Digital
  28. Graham Smith
  29. Figment Capital
  30. Leah Jonas
  31. Celsius Network
  32. Quinn Lawlor
  33. Arrakis Mercantile
  34. Evan Weiss
  35. EON Capital
  36. Daoud Schelling
  37. Bitcoin Green
  38. Van Phu
  39. Floating Group
  40. Jacob Arluck
  41. TQ Group
  42. Santiago Santos
  43. EON Capital
  44. Joe
  45. Bison Trails
  46. Can Kisagun
  47. Enigma
  48. Meltem Demirors
  49. CoinShares
  50. Jason Stone
  51. Battlestar Capital
  52. Adam Carver
  53. Battlestar Capital
  54. Alex Mashinsky
  55. Celsius Network
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  58.  
  59. III. Brainstorm on Discussion Topics
  60. We had an open discussion of the topics and ideas everyone in the group would like to discuss, and they were categorized, organized, and defined in key categories, as listed below.
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  62. Language & Syntax
  63. Distinguishing different types of PoS and communicating that
  64. Not easy to explain to investors what staking, slashing, etc is
  65. Language, syntax, and ways to describe staking that distinguishes work from governance and creates a new and specific lexicon
  66. Financial v technical implications and the difference between chains
  67.  
  68. Education / Information Transparency / Data Services
  69. How do we educate users and provide information transparency
  70. Communicating from trusted sources
  71. Rankings for governance, decentralization, etc and create grading
  72. Disclosures - how do we set a standard for better disclosures around conflicts of interest
  73.  
  74. Self-Regulation / Self-Policing
  75. Conflict disclosure
  76. Code of ethics
  77.  
  78. Tax, Legal, Accounting
  79. Coordinated engagement with regulators
  80. Advocacy efforts and opportunities create templates, tools, and standards, including regulation, tax, control matters, and disclosures
  81. Legal implications of staking - how to design contracts for delegation
  82. Tax implications for how staking is defined - income v dividend
  83. Accounting firms signing off on these different types of treatments - getting Deloitte or PWC to sign off on this treatment
  84.  
  85. Investment Products & Yield Generating Assets
  86. Creating investment products around staking
  87. Debt
  88. Using staking as a loan mechanism
  89. Figment: using a reverse repo
  90. Derivatives and prediction markets
  91. Self-sustaining fee markets
  92.  
  93. Network Development & Decentralization
  94. Incentivizing smaller validators and encouraging decentralization - perhaps through UBI / progressive tax
  95. Does staking work as a mining / network maintenance mechanism
  96.  
  97. Voting
  98. Separating governance from network
  99. Glass Steagal act - separation of duties between types of entities in the crypto ecosystem
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  101. Tools and Services
  102. What types of services exist, how to think about them
  103. Categorization of services and common parameters to evaluate
  104. Communication between teams building protocols and service providers around parameters for design
  105. Learning from design mistakes
  106.  
  107. User Experience
  108. Most of the yield is working nothing - how do we help people understand things like 10%+ yield are legitimate
  109. Creating easy experiences for people to participate in networks
  110.  
  111. Economic Structure
  112. Scalability of staking strategies
  113. Impact of liquidation / chain switching on networks
  114. Compression of margins and returns over time
  115. Inflationary v deflationary models - explaining it in a way investors understand
  116. Rate fixing / cartel behavior - how do we design systems to prevent this behavior
  117.  
  118.  
  119.  
  120. IV. Setting Agenda of Discussion Topics
  121. Attendees ranked priority issues from 1 - 10, and the issues were discussed in order from highest to lowest priority.
  122.  
  123. Topic
  124. Priority Vote
  125. Investment Products
  126. 110
  127. Tax
  128. 108
  129. Economic structures
  130. 107
  131. Network Dev
  132. 106
  133. Language & Syntax
  134. 101
  135. UX
  136. 93
  137. Education
  138. 87
  139. Tools and Services
  140. 86
  141. Transparency
  142. 82
  143.  
  144.  
  145. V. Discussion of Topics
  146.  
  147. i. Investment Products & Yield Generating Assets
  148.  
  149. Ideas for Products
  150. Creating investment products around staking
  151. Debt
  152. Using staking as a loan mechanism
  153. Figment: using a reverse repo
  154. Derivatives and prediction markets
  155. Self-sustaining fee markets
  156.  
  157. Parameters of Products
  158. Asset: Multi v single asset
  159. Yield: How to price and redeem yield
  160. Price volatility to staking yield
  161. Liquidity for the asset
  162. Borrow - governance rights
  163. Rate: Floating v fixed
  164. Legal implications: paying like for like in interest makes it different than cash products
  165. Structured products:
  166. MLPs and other tax advantaged vehicles: Are there examples of people doing this?
  167. Public v. private vehicles: Without a route to a publicly traded US vehicle
  168. Hedging options on the back end of a guaranteed yield product
  169. Compounding v cashing out / paying out in BTC
  170. Cost basis on gains
  171.  
  172. Issues with Products
  173. Volatility - need more data to create a robust
  174. Number of robust staking networks
  175. Options - who owns the underlying the rights associated with the network
  176. Tax - when is there a taxable event
  177. Physical v synthetic delivery
  178.  
  179. Examples of these Products
  180. NeptuneDASH - traded on the TSX, own masternodes and the sole purpose of the entity is to hold the masternodes and distribute the revenue as a dvidend
  181. Hut8 - hold and mine bitcoin
  182. CFTC ethereum post
  183.  
  184. Next Steps
  185. Coordination and providing liquidity
  186. Treasury management products including staking products
  187. Products sub-group
  188. Who the investors are - want to get money in - how do we get people who don’t own crypto to own some crypto via this staking mechanism
  189. Narrative of bitcoin (scarce) v dividend / earning more
  190.  
  191.  
  192. ii. Tax, Legal, and Regulatory
  193.  
  194. Notes from Topic Brainstorm
  195. Coordinated engagement with regulators
  196. Advocacy efforts and opportunities create templates, tools, and standards, including regulation, tax, control matters, and disclosures
  197. Legal implications of staking - how to design contracts for delegation
  198. Tax implications for how staking is defined - income v dividend
  199. Accounting firms signing off on these different types of treatments - getting Deloitte or PWC to sign off on this treatment
  200.  
  201. Discussion on Tax
  202. 2014-21 memo from the IRS treats staking income as ordinary income
  203. Dividend income - no different than if you were a stock holder
  204. Non passive income - rental income on RE is treated as ordinary income, if you spend over 500 hours per year on it, then it is treated tax advantageously
  205. RSU - could staked interest on chain for something like delegation be treated as an RSU
  206. Savings income - losing out on inflation, so is there a tax benefit here
  207. 1099-MISC income - giving clients 1099’s at the end of the year
  208. Go to Britain first to work w HMS treasury on setting a precedent
  209. Fair Market Value - How do you track exchange price / price generally with a reliable market oracle - regulated exchanges
  210. Gibson report
  211. Rules around pink sheets OTC pricing
  212. When cryptopia went down, pricing for a lot of tokens disappeared because they were locked into the exchange. There is no venue to sell.
  213. Looking at LIBOR as an example? Looking at potentially creating a rate-setting mechanism amongst some of the larger players
  214. IRS will come up with guidance in 3-4 years, and they will likely use existing guidance from existing firms in the space
  215.  
  216. Next Steps
  217. Review memo drafted by Santiago
  218. Private letter ruling
  219. Quote book or creating an inside ticker tape for these assets
  220. Create a public vehicle / group owned PB
  221. Get together the accounting firms to discuss and maybe publish something
  222.  
  223. iii. Economic Structures
  224. Notes from Topic Brainstorm
  225. Scalability of staking strategies
  226. Impact of liquidation / chain switching on networks
  227. Compression of margins and returns over time
  228. Inflationary v deflationary models - explaining it in a way investors understand
  229. Rate fixing / cartel behavior - how do we design systems to prevent this behavior
  230.  
  231. Discussion
  232. Most people view scarcity as the most important thing in crypto
  233. Emission schedule, slope of that curve, is very important to the investment value prop
  234. Linear curve v variable curve - relationship between emission schedule and interest in staking
  235. Chorus one / one protocol is focused on maximizing the yield - yield switching as a phenomenon
  236. Principal / agent problem - is it likely that there will be instances where agents ie service providers have an interest that conflicts with that of principals ie investors?
  237. In order to be competitive, have to be able to port assets over easily between service providers
  238. Factionalism in voting - have dynamically adjusting thresholds to ensure there is resolution of issues
  239. Selling voting rights - creating a market for governance
  240. Free rider problems - creating a second token to pay for protocol upgrades - could pay people who buy the token to vote on protocol outcomes
  241. How do you quantify governance v decentralization
  242. Exchanges taking clients’ staking rewards and selling them for their own gain`
  243. Networks will change how they incentivize block creation - limit the % of the tokens locked up in staking
  244.  
  245. Next Steps
  246. Existential questions for the future of staking
  247. Buyer beware post
  248. Pressuring exchanges to be more transparent staking relationships
  249. Code of ethics via POSA
  250. Possibly litigation of exchanges who are keeping staking rewards
  251.  
  252. iv. Networks and Decentralization
  253. Incentivizing smaller validators and encouraging decentralization - perhaps through UBI / progressive tax
  254. Does staking work as a mining / network maintenance mechanism
  255.  
  256. v. Language & Syntax
  257. Notes from Topic Brainstorm
  258. Distinguishing different types of PoS and communicating that
  259. Not easy to explain to investors what staking, slashing, etc is
  260. Language, syntax, and ways to describe staking that distinguishes work from governance and creates a new and specific lexicon
  261. Financial v technical implications and the difference between chains
  262.  
  263. Discussion
  264. Defining all of the different staking protocols
  265. Is there any service provider who could provide this?
  266. What not to say - don’t call it yield, don’t call it bond, call it interest
  267. Delegation - is it a financial service and does it require signing an agreement
  268. Implications for sharia compliance….
  269. Staking reward is the safest thing to say
  270. Ways to explain staking that could be beneficial:
  271. Anyone who holds a token can participate in securing the network
  272. Environmental friendliness
  273. Governance aspect
  274. Ways to promote utilizing common lexicon
  275. Standardizing v commoditizing language
  276. Not everything should be made equal across protocols but common understanding would be helpful
  277. Functional roles in the ecosystem
  278. Protocol devs
  279. App developers
  280.  
  281. We did not address points 6 - 9
  282.  
  283.  
  284.  
  285. VI. Wrap Up and Next Steps
  286.  
  287. Draft a brief blog post highlighting discussion and outcomes of Summit and next steps
  288. Convene a Telegram Group (invites will be distributed, tentatively named “Staking Central”) to continue the conversation
  289. Convene this forum on a quarterly basis, perhaps in a shorter format. We are also looking at organizing a one day “conference” which will be a more structured, larger version of this event
  290. Begin Ecosystem “Map” / Directory efforts - Meltem created Google form, link to add companies here, please share broadly and widely. Will be synced to an AirTable or something on a public site - process TBD.
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