ocscam part 2

I see my remark that Onecoin blockchain uses central accounts that we can not see in back office made onecoinscam.info guys made a new post about checking that.

I have read it 3 times and I can not believe how ignorant that post is that I assume it was not even made by tech guy.
The post is misleading.

I will explain here their new post called (linked to original post too):
[url=http://onecoinscam.info/only-selection-of-transactions-visible/][size=200]Only selection of Transactions visible?[/size][/url]

I will quote their remarks and conclusions.

[quote]The most important Transaction to verify this hypothesis is the Transaction of genesis Block – Block height #0 (login required) which has 1,986,580,000 ONE Transaction OUTPUT Amount.

The 1,986,580,000 ONE Output Amount is sent to Output Address 9UHVMKSB8xdgzjY5X82gC5An4NiupfiUE5, a so-called “Unspent Transaction (TX) Output” or “UTXO”.[/quote]

So basically they say that in the picture below is genesis block #0 and there is UTXO address 9UHVMKSB8xdgzjY5X82gC5An4NiupfiUE that can not be spent anymore or it would be illegal double spend.
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/02-02-Transaction-ID-f63465-genesis.jpg[/img]

Then they state that address 9UHVMKSB8xdgzjY5X82gC5An4NiupfiUE was found as Input on block #16041:
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/Block-16041-b-Transactions.jpg[/img]

So, address 9UHVMKSB8xdgzjY5X82gC5An4NiupfiUE5 was utxo in block #0 and it was then input in block #16041 ?
What is wrong with UTXO being used as INput ??? [url=https://bitcoin.org/en/glossary/unspent-transaction-output]Definition of UTXO[/url]
Heavens...

Ok they were mistaken about how this is double spent but let's take a look about their quote from onecoin.eu website
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/onecoin-eu-blockchain.jpg[/img]

[quote]“OneCoin’s blockchain consists of each transaction ever performed in OneCoin.”
“The blockchain is based on protocols that authenticate, validate and store information inconsistent, unbroken sequences that [b]make the system safer by eliminating any attempts of fraud, duplicity and forgery[/b].“[/quote]
Company meant with this that it will not be possible for [b]Onecoin users[/b] to make double spends and we know that is possible in Bitcoin.
You are even quoting company's central address that can be used 2 times if it is needed to properly deliver doubled coins to its users but it wasn't. UTXO can be used as Input later. Why was it used after 11 days we don't know. Company knows. You either believe them or not.

[quote]FINDING: If the 1,986,580,000 ONE Output Amount of genesis Block #0 would have been distributed to 2.5 million individual e-wallets of OneLife members on 1 October 2016 already, IT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO SEND THE SAME TRANSACTION OUTPUTS TO OTHER OUTPUT ADDRESSES 11 DAYS LATER, THIS WOULD BE A STRICTLY ILLEGAL “DOUBLE SPEND” (yes, this is very important).

It would be irrefutable proof of fraud, duplicity and forgery, which according to the information on onecoin.eu/en/blockchain is impossible in the OneCoin Blockchain.[/quote]
You are so wrong here. Address 9UHVMKSB8xdgzjY5X82gC5An4NiupfiUE5 was output in block#0 but it was input in block#16041 and UTXO can be used as input later.
Sorry. No double spend thus your claim are false and are only your opinion.

Also, you are insoncictent to your writings. On [url=http://onecoinscam.info/audit-reports/]this other post[/url] you stated that you found no double spends:
[quote]Our opinion – Part 1
Sub 1): Our own investigations reveal that the OneCoin “Blockchain” is internally consistent, by which we mean:

- There is a continuous chain of Blocks, connected by “next” and “previous” hyperlinks, which can be browsed through from the very first “genesis block” with Block height #0 until the most recently created Block.
- Each block contains 1 and only 1 transaction with 50,000 newly “mined” OneCoins (the mining process is fake though).
- All input amounts of Transactions can be traced back to an output amount of (an) earlier transaction(s). The original source of all OneCoins, if you follow the trail to earlier Transactions, always is a 50000 ONE mining transaction or the genesis block.
[b]- We never found output amounts which are used more than once as input amounts in later Transactions. In general cryptocurrency terms: there are no “double spends”[/b][/u].[/quote]
Please make up your mind.

Let's go on for timestamp and back office time inconsistency that you seem to parrot around in more posts and don't worry , I will go over all of them:

[quote]Screenshot of first two OneCoin transactions in OneCoin Account on 1 October 2016
This is the old screen layout which shows Dates and Timestamps, the new layout which was implemented on 5 December 2016 only shows Dates. Note the Date/Timestamps 01/10/2016 00:00:01 and 00:00:02 GMT/UTC.
This is hard proof that these transactions were registered in the OneCoin Account 9.5 hours before Ruja Ignatova presented the new Blockchain Simulator during the OneLife MasterMind Event in Bangkok. This OneCoin Account, including its Transactions, is unrelated to the Blockchain Simulator.[/quote]

So once again, since this was already discussed in previous post, you seem to think that back office needs to have the same times as blockchain timestamps? That is only a proof that tech guy did not write this post of yours.

First of all, back office data is saved in separate data base, might be SQL, the same like other Bitcoin Exchanges use their own databases to store transactions and balances. They sync them with blockchain though and times from their own databases and timestamps in blockchain is not the same. Here is proof of that:
Let me show you one transaction time on my bitcoin wallet from coinmate.io
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/audit-coinmate.png[/img]
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/audit-my%20btc%20transaciont.png[/img]
As you can see times do not match in web account and blockchain, they are not linked, website account back office use a separate database, maybe mysql or whatever, and blockchain records only coin transactions. Meaning, blockchain is not account-centric, there is another database for that, blockchain is only coin-centric. Web database and blockchains might be on different time zone locations. That is probably the reason why they removed times from back office so you rats could not use it for your crap cause most people will not know that the same happens with bitcoin exchanges and transactions.

[quote]Remark: those who want to accuse us of falsifying the Date/Timestamps in the screenshot above, first check these YouTube videos uploaded by OneLife members: YouTube link 1 – YouTube video 2 (same video, poor quality).[/quote]
I don't think you are forging anything. I am sure you believe in what you are saying. Thing is your opinion is so wrong and based on missunderstanding the system that you don't have access to.

[quote]FINAL CONCLUSION
Because of:

the internal consistency of the data in OneCoin Blockchain Simulator, which are visible on the BLOCKCHAIN and TRANSACTION screens, and which do not show any “double spends” of Transaction OUTPUTs
and

the proof of the Date/Timestamps of the “New blockchain coins migration” and “Doubled coins following blockchain migration” Transactions in the OneLife member OneCoin Accounts which were recorded 9.5 hours before the launch of the new Blockchain
we reject the hypothesis that on 1 October 2016 2.5 Transactions, which are invisible on the BLOCKCHAIN screens, have been recorded in the Blockchain.
This is irrefutable proof that the OneCoin Blockchain including the genesis Block is completely fake.
[/quote]
When anyone reads my above sentences, will disregard your conclusion as false. Genesis output being input later is not double spend cause [url=https://bitcoin.org/en/glossary/unspent-transaction-output]utxo can be spent as input in new transaction[/url].

Also, time inconsistency between back office and blockchain timestamps are a normal thing because back office uses a separate database, not blockchain, only coins are centered in blockchains. Back office needs to sync with them.
In fact, I have no proof, but I state that I saw my doubled coins way after Bangkok event so that 00:00 time from your screenshot is false or a mistake. Probably it was removed because it only brings in confusion and complications.

[quote]Some other interesting findings, based on the downloaded Block and Transaction data:
In our 615MB file with downloaded Block and Transaction data we found 104,973 occurrences of Address 9ZTji2SeQcs7NPwGEgsARm3W355sjBuHzr within the first 336,968 Blocks. In other words, this address is used 104,973 times as Input Address or Output Address.[/quote]
This is an undefined statement. You did not make a single screenshot of at least several such blocks. But I believe you.
I did not want to waste too much time so I went only several "next" blocks from block#16041 where address 9ZTji2SeQcs7NPwGEgsARm3W355sjBuHzr was shown to be recipient of 1 million coins.
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/smalltx.png[/img]
In that block, we do not understand what exactly that address represents, until we click the next [url=https://www.onelife.eu/backend/cryptocurrency/blockchain/block/2ec63c3e4ceec3675efbb29422c8752799c90f73964a0494d7d7d12912d84eae]block#16042[/url] and see that address actually "collects" mined coins from various blocks and addresses:
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/block16042.png[/img]
We can only assume what is going on here. Seems like address 9ZTji2SeQcs7NPwGEgsARm3W355sjBuHzr is indeed some permanent treasury account that receives 1 million mined coins and then transferred it to users who submitted tokens or whatever. Maybe there are more such addresses. I found that this address receives 1 million coins in several next blocks (16067, 16068, 16069, 16070 and so on I did not want to go further). This is surely not double spend, this is only proof that centralized blockchain is different from decentralized and you guys are not familiar with how private networks work and how they can deal with things

[quote]
The 1,985,580,000 ONE Unspent Transaction OUTPUT sent to Address 9gZYr1K99chvfLRpuS33hsZLHVjqimYtdy is used as Transaction INPUT in one of the 66 Transactions in Block #20519 (see screenshot below). In Block #20640 the 1,985,579,527.77777767 at Address 9bra5qH8C1nPChQX7HjMxibd3kgH6YMVHs is used as Input in another Transaction, which creates two new Unspent Transaction OUTPUTs. And so on and so forth.[/quote]
Seems like here you explained [url=https://bitcoin.org/en/glossary/unspent-transaction-output]definition of UTXO[/url].
An Unspent Transaction Output (UTXO) that can be spent as an input in a new transaction. But you seem to think that is wrong.

While you tried here to falsely and with proved misunderstanding of Onecoin blockchain operations (which is normal cause you don't have access to it cause it is PRIVATE) you fail to address that Bitcoin blockchain indeed has "double spends" from time to time.
In blockchain.info there is a [url=https://blockchain.info/double-spends]10 minute cache[/url] that shows current double spends.
Here is screenshot I made where there were double spends:
[img]http://www.onecoin-debate.com/haters/btcdoublespends.png[/img]

DOUBLE STANDARDS MY LADS ;)