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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-06-13 1705 +Baccus93
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecbu6qNgiTE&google_comment_id=z13rvtdhyq3cgls4g04cjt04tuvlfpybaj4
  3. https://pastebin.com/09kAcdj3
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  7. +Baccus93 __ ::sigh:: You have no actual grasp of anything I am writing to you. You are writing gibberish. *Why the f_kc would you ask if I believe the Earth is flat?* That alone shows you have zero understanding about me or the things I write about.
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  9. You are latching onto bits and pieces and misunderstanding them.
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  11. Stop. Slow down. Think.
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  15. If you film yourself punching a hole in a wall *you are able to sufficiently prove the claim that there is a hole in your wall (and further - that you caused it)*.
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  17. If you merely tell people you punched a hole in the wall *but never show them the footage of you doing so* - then the belief of those people has been *founded and formed entirely on trust*.
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  19. They trust you are telling them the truth. They believe because you told them so.
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  21. On this occasion you would be telling them a true thing. But something is not necessarily true just because someone has said it is true.
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  23. Therefore the belief you have punched a hole in the wall - whether or not it is a true belief - is an *unjustified belief*.
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  27. No lie told by a liar can be proven to be true. Otherwise it would not be a lie! Therefore all lies that are believed - are by nature "unjustified beliefs".
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  29. _Please tell me you understand this!_
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  31. Furthermore - the lie can only be believed because the believer trusts the liar. No one is in the habit of believing just anything told to them.
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  33. If a lie isn't rooted in what you believe to be possible and if also you cannot imagine the lie to be true - then you will reject the lie.
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  35. (A charming and charismatic liar is able to take you to the limits of what you believe is possible and can imagine to be true.)
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  37. Sufficient proof for your claim of a hole in the wall exists - but your audience have not ever seen it. Their belief (which in this case would be a true belief) is *unjustified*.
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  39. All lies that are believed are unjustified beliefs. ("Things that feel true but are not")
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  41. You could show the sufficient proof (the footage of you punching a hole in the wall) if you wanted - and the instant you did so then the belief of your audience would change from being unjustified to justified.
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  43. All justified beliefs are also true beliefs (but of course not all true beliefs can be justified).
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  45. The lie system causes a population to believe BOTH TRUE AND FALSE THINGS by withholding sufficient proof and causing each belief to be unjustified.
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  47. Everything is presented to us in that form.
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  49. For you to deny it is to stick your head in the sand. This is why I have been asking you about the alleged shooting of "Christina Grimmie" - you keep avoiding that.
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  53. I am pointing out something intuitive and obvious to all intelligent people. That it is not intuitive or obvious to you is neither my problem nor is it a problem of the lie system concept.
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  55. *Your inability to understand something is not an argument against that something.*
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  59. You don't understand your "objection".
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  61. There are many lie system events and claims. *None of them have sufficient proof*. All belief in them has been founded and formed on trust and accepting/mistaking proof's appearances for [actual] proof.
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  63. >> Therefore all belief in lie system events and claims are unjustified. <<
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  65. We can know this is intentional - by design - because *if this were not a lie system then of the hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands of lie system events and claims - some of them - _if only just one of them_ - would come with sufficient proof*.
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  67. But it does not.
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  69. Please pay attention: *If a person habitually and pathologically tells lies then we call that person a liar*.
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  71. We don't run around saying "but you can't prove everything said is a lie therefore you can't call him a liar".
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  73. Yes we can. Yes we do. Just because you are not able to understand that events and claims are being daily foisted upon us all without sufficient proof is *not my problem*.
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  75. If you do not understand why you need to look both ways before you cross a road - it is not my problem.
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  77. I am pointing out nothing complicated or mysterious. Nothing esoteric. I am pointing out nothing you cannot notice for yourself. To repeat: that is why I asked you about "Christina Grimmie".
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  82. This is pointless if you cannot understand simple things. I fear you do not understand even the simplest of things that I am writing.
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  84. The fact you keep bringing up the "flat Earth" and are asking whether or not I advocate for a "flat Earth" shows that you don't have the first clue as to what I am saying or about.
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  86. It means you utterly do not grasp the concept of "sufficient proof". You have understood nothing I've written.
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  88. By the way - how _on God's flat Earth_ could I possibly advocate for a "flat Earth" if it lacks sufficient proof?!
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  90. This "conversation" has probably run its course. Unless you can address something I've actually written - then I agree - you are wasting your own time. _(edited for typos - again)_
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  93. __________________________________________
  94. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  95. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
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  97. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  98. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
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  100. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  101. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
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  103. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  104. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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