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- from /ZTG/ - Zootopia General: Can't Spell 'Funeral' Without 'Real Fun' Edition
- https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/60867051/#60933436
- psstaudio: https://pastes.psstaudio.com/post/f2757471d3634fdf9126ae5d30e13b21
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- I actively seek ridicule
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- If I am indeed speaking to the artist, I read the description on e621 and I just want to say that finding that common thread between Zootopia and Spec Ops: The Line is a remarkable stretch to me. I'm not just saying that I think it's beyond suspension of disbelief to link an FPS to a funny talking animal movie, but also that Spec Ops kind of beats you over the head about how unredeemable of a man Walker is while Zootopia shows Judy handily taking the path to redemption when she overcomes her prejudices and works with the fox she used to despise. Yeah, maybe at some point both characters do believe what they're doing is right, but the big difference is that Judy is actually shown to be right and Walker kills civilians because he's bad, the game knows he's bad, and you know he's bad. I could be showing biases in saying all this because I just really didn't like Spec Ops, but I feel that the point about lack of commonality is still the same.
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- False equivalency is the death of literary analysis. People will find any singular commonality between two examples/forms of media/characters and say they're exactly the same
- Judy and Walker both jump into their respective roles to try and be a positive change, they make mistakes and try to fix them, but Judy makes all the right moves by allowing Bellwether to say everything she'd done while being recorded, Walker basically killed everyone to the point that the truth would never reach the light of day. Judy was ignorant, but she wasn't stupid
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- Forgot to mention that Judy uncovered a true conspiracy lead by a currently living villain while Walker's arch nemesis Konrad wasn't even alive to begin with
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- >Judy was ignorant, but she wasn't stupid
- She was prejudiced, which the movie portrays as flaw everyone carries with them but which can be overcome by patience and understanding. Sort of like Star Trek's classic message that sheer force of will can eventually overpower otherness and hatred. It's supposed to be a rather straightforwardly uplifiting message. Judy is indeed demonstrated to be very sharp, it's just that her crucial character flaw blindsided her.
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- >Judy and Walker both jump into their respective roles to try and be a positive change, they make mistakes and try to fix them, but Judy makes all the right moves by allowing Bellwether to say everything she'd done while being recorded, Walker basically killed everyone to the point that the truth would never reach the light of day. Judy was ignorant, but she wasn't stupid
- Artfag here. I agree with this except the end. I would say that Judy wasn't isolated to the point of PTSD, yet still caused potentially irredeemable damage to certain communities and/or individuals, which was a major drive in her desire to walk back her actions.
- I was more leaning towards the infamous quote
- >The path to hell was lined with good intentions
- It's one of my favorite quotes of all time, and I think about it daily.
- Being a "childrens movie" (Furry indoctrination propaganda), Zootpia is geared towards the same formula as American Pie or Adam Sandler films.
- >Protaganist wants thing
- >Protaganist nearly gets things
- >Protaganist realizes they are a selfish little shit
- >Protaganist redeems themselves
- Spec Ops: The Line removes the last option, save for how the player might perceive the "good" ending. Maybe Walker went through therapy, confessed his crimes, and spent his last days as an advocate for trauma and shell-shock the same way Audie Murphey did. Minus the horse breeding and western films.
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- Judy was able to redeem herself and save zootopia because she could see the connotations of her actions.
- In her own words:
- >"I'm not a hero"
- >"I came her to make the world a better place but I think I broke it."
- She had the fortune of somebody marginally wiser there to tell her
- >"The world has always been broken. That's why we need good cops."
- The specifics of their situations defeat them, but when boiled down to their most basic forms:
- It really is a pair of stories about stranger in a strange place thinking they are a positive change, and ultimately being the "accidental" villain versus the
- >"""hero"""
- Thanks for having a dialogue about this, I was actually hoping for this kind of turnout, and am open to the symbolic criticism, as it's far more important to me than the easy comments about Judy's derp-face.
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