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 18:10:35> "Bordu": I have had muliple tickes in more then 2 hours with no response any chance we can get this looked at?
 <18:10:50> "[LGM]Discord": I only see one exploit ticket
 <18:11:21> "Bordu": 1 exploit , 1 mechanics and 4 others said they were ticketing
 <18:11:59> "[LGM]Discord": and as far as those walls go I can't consider it a exploit to walk through gaps You guys will have to prepare for that. I am trying to come up with a soultion until it can be coded , but there is no defense to people logging out or entering those walls.
 <18:12:03> "Bordu": Cant speak to the  other 4 but two were from my chrs
 <18:12:35> "Bordu": If the patch has an error how is abusing it not an exploit
 <18:12:59> "Bordu": if I walkes through and an item duped exploi right
 <18:13:18> "Bordu": just not understanding
 <18:13:48> "[LGM]Discord": Its not the same , its a hole they can walk through I can't punish players cause they can walk through a hole
 <18:14:05> "[LGM]Discord": it shoudln't be there I agree, but I can't say your banned for walking through a hole
 <18:14:06> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": well but it shuoldnt be like that
 <18:14:16> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": so make a post anyone doing so will get banned
 <18:14:18> "Bordu": The whole is an unintended feature being exploited
 <18:14:20> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": cause we are here i nthe open
 <18:14:34> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": yes you can make a post about it
 <18:14:39> "[LGM]Discord": I told you guys man times you can't depend on the walls to protect you
 <18:14:42> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": obviously its not suppoed to be like that
 <18:15:06> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": what is a wall supposed to do?
 <18:15:11> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": of course it cant protect you forever
 <18:15:16> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": if it gets taken down
 <18:15:23> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": but its not suppoed to be like that how its now
 <18:15:35> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": its simple SV messed up we are used to it
 <18:15:40> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": but i dnt see a problem why not fix it
 <18:15:43> "Cruz": Its not the protection that is the issue here, its the access to what is inside...
 <18:15:45> "[LGM]Discord": I am trying to come up with something but so far my solution crashes clients
 <18:15:47> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": fill the hole how it was suppoed to be
 <18:15:56> "Bordu": A patch error should not violate our safety
 <18:16:19> "Bordu": There are los of no exploitive ways to attack but abusing a patch error is an exploit
 <18:17:39> "Bordu": No different then /charge a door
 <18:19:09> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": than i guess we should just block the holes
 <18:19:12> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": put molvas there
 <18:19:13> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": and ppl
 <18:19:16> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": i mean sandbox right
 <18:19:30> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": got to protect us somehow
 <18:19:40> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": or is this considered to be exploiting?
 <18:20:56> "Bordu": So too be clear if I find a way to enter anothers proporty in game and steal / destroy shit I am not exploiting even if this includes an unintentiona;l game glitch?
 <18:21:27> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": yes bodru that is what he is saying
 <18:21:38> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": lets go find holes and NOT exploit
 <18:23:25> "Cruz": Ok so lets put things this way...its not an exploit to have access to the place (i can live with that) but if they kill us inside that situation is taking adavantage of the issue itself right?
 <18:23:52> "Cruz": Its just a matter of perpective..
 <18:26:40> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": discord has no valid arguemnts anymore he knows we are right but refues to help this is the thing that pisses me off in MO. if your wrong dude ppl make mistakes but dont try to talk your way out. atleast tell us ok your right we will take care of it. but stating nope not an exploit nope its supposed to be like that is just lame
 <18:27:48> "Bordu": Scared to lose a subscription by slapping hands for exploits gonna lose my 3 subs again soon if this keeps up
 <18:28:49> "[LGM]Discord": I am not scare of anything Its a bad situation and but us trying to enforce a rule which I know we can't won't solve the issue.
 <18:29:27> "Bordu": Only a bad situation for those of us with losses
 <18:29:33> "[LGM]Discord": I am working on test trying to come upw ith a solution
 <18:29:35> "Bordu": Great situation for exploiters
 <18:29:53> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": question would it be so hard to fix the holes?
 <18:29:59> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": with the next hotpatch?
 <18:30:27> "Bordu": in two days I lost 3 sets of gear 1) fell through the world could not get GM response 2) exploiter no GM response 3) same as 2
 <18:30:29> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": i mean we dont expect to be fixed like now now (it would be nice)
 <18:30:37> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": but alteast we knwo SV will do something about it
 <18:30:45> "[LGM]Discord": belive me its on the list
 <18:30:46> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": it acnt be that we are ganna live with it till TC comes out
 <18:31:02> "Bordu": All my losses due to GM inaction kinda bugging me
 <18:32:47> "Bordu": I do understand at some level having an IT background, but breaking the palasade and invitingother players to abuse it is a little off the deep end
 <18:33:18> "Cruz": Mr Discord i heard from a GM when i first put in the exploit ticket that it is not considered an exploit because they didnt do anything right?
 <18:33:29> "Cruz": the access to the palisade is already there
 <18:34:05> "Cruz": but look at this analogy, the rollback from the other week was due  to an explot with a vendor right?
 <18:34:39> "Cruz": so the people who exploited knew about the exploit (so far just like the people who entered the palisade)
 <18:35:13> "Cruz": but they used the vendor to their own benefit (just like those who killed us inside)
 <18:35:41> "Cruz": So, hows that not an exploit or i am seeing something wrong with this analogy?
 <18:38:09> "Bordu": And fine do not punish them reimberse me
 <18:38:19> "Bordu": I can be bought
 <18:41:03> "[LGM]Discord": That won't happen we don't compensate for players killing another player I can't even imgaine what type of issues that will start
 <18:41:14> "Bordu": If its not an exploi then I am being griefed by the dev that wrote the mistake. I wish to be reimbersed my losses from this griefing programmer
 <18:41:57> "Kathun": Out of curiosity just because i heard it was considered an expoilt or somthing. Can you shoot boulders into a palisade from outside while going over the walls with the boulders?
 <18:43:02> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": oh you mean being on the catapult to be launched with the boulder insinde the keep?
 <18:43:08> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": should be allowed
 <18:43:23> "Kathun": Well that too XD
 <18:43:42> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": i mean if your allowed to walk thru halls i dnt see why you should not be able to do this
 <18:43:43> "Kathun": But i mean if the mangcannon is on a hill outside the palisade
 <18:44:05> "Kathun": Xhodan not walking through walls
 <18:44:11> "Kathun": Walking through holes in walls
 <18:44:34> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": well you know what i mean
 <18:44:43> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": your on our side here
 <18:44:45> "Xhodan Xeus (Mayor of Meduli)": so shhhhhh
 <18:44:59> "Kathun": Okay sorry...
 <18:45:01> "Cruz": I was trying to understand your position Mr Discord...but ok i understand
 <18:46:55> "Bordu": Seriously I get the rules but this is an extreme cituation and needs to be addressed. A portion of hte player base should not be griefed becase of dev error. At the very least this should be reimbersed at most other players should have enough respect for the game to not exploit and be banned of they do not. Wonder how this discussion will go on the Steam forums
 <18:47:24> "Gryphen": i like forums
 <18:47:30> "Gryphen": lets talk about forums
 <18:51:35> "Gryphen": oh dear theres no drama here
 <18:51:58> "Gryphen": lets talk about palisade walls and how unintended actions made through this game are not exploits
 <18:52:13> "Cruz": we believe in you gryphen
 <18:52:44> "Gryphen": the only reason there is frustration here is not because the walls arent getting fixed now now now
 <18:53:16> "Bordu": Walls hell I want my stuff back
 <18:53:27> "Bordu": <--- Petty and proud of it
 <18:53:34> "Gryphen": we all want our things
 <18:54:00> "Bordu": Concidering discussing the 3+ hour GN wait times on steam as well
 <18:54:03> "Gryphen": the sad thing here is if the petetion had been made at a different time of the day a different response would have been given
 <18:54:20> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": to be honest the patch is actually screwing my MO playtime up
 <18:54:34> "Gryphen": indeed
 <18:54:37> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": i have hard time with crafting issues, i have to relog for this situation at certain times
 <18:54:46> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": my MO client will not save my graphic setting
 <18:54:50> "Gryphen": i relogged because i touched a wall and everything went black
 <18:54:56> "Gryphen": when i relogged i was drowning
 <18:54:58> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": I have to reset my graphic setting every time i open the client
 <18:55:06> "Bordu": Perhaps hours spent in support que should be reimbersed with free play time
 <18:55:06> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": damn man
 <18:55:11> "Gryphen": hah
 <18:55:47> "Gryphen": you know they wont do that
 <18:56:04> "Gryphen": however their petetion que is set up
 <18:56:07> "Gryphen": it needs fixed.
 <18:56:13> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": no offense but why release the patch when it is not 100% effectively... should have a test before release and give players a suffering moment
 <18:56:56> "Gryphen": how about we talk about why their "testing server" isnt really accurate
 <18:57:07> "Bordu": Think I will spend some time looking for "non Exploits" to have fun with
 <18:57:21> "Gryphen": you know whats a good idea? letting players test it
 <18:57:24> "[KotO] WaterSurfer": maybe need to invite real players to volunteer to test for them
 <18:57:31> "Gryphen": players intentionally look for exploits
 <18:58:58> "Gryphen": shit gets fixed
 <18:59:12> "Gryphen": but no, shit just gets messed up because certain people complain too much
 <19:01:40> "Gryphen": party over here
 <19:09:26> "Gryphen": there is a problem here, what should we do to combat this problem?
 <19:11:01> "[ARTS]Enigmatic": And to think, this game is going into steam-release soon xD Hah! It's going to rate right up there with "Infestation: Survivor Stories."
 <19:11:08> "Kranick, king of meduli": fuuuuuuuuu
 <19:11:51> "Gryphen": whats Infestation: survivor stories?
 <19:11:54> "[ARTS]Enigmatic": Otherwise known as WarZ! Very dissapointing...
 <19:11:56> "Gryphen": sounds lame
 <19:12:25> "[ARTS]Enigmatic": Have fun guys :D I'm gonna go play some ArcheAge lol
 <19:12:46> "Gryphen": youve made me dislike this game and play minecraft