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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2018-01-28 1405 +Darin Walker
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yso1lIFKnaI&lc=UgxO5RFeTEiyW037gzJ4AaABAg
  3. https://pastebin.com/zv1a8Y1X
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  6. +Darin Walker __ This may sound crazy, so hear me out. What if _the baby_ *doesn't want* to be born? How can a _baby_ express such a desire, you ask? Obviously, it can't yet speak! But, perhaps in other ways it can be quite easy. *Suppose there is some mechanism of evolution that has developed over millions and millions of years whereby an unborn baby (not necessarily limited to humans) can send a signal to the host (i.e., the pregnant woman) which causes the host to engage in either reckless/risky behaviour, or (in modern times) manifest as an urge to abort the pregnancy?*
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  8. Can we really claim to understand *everything* about evolution? Sure, "Richard Dawkins" is a fascinating and charming story teller, but I don't think he can appreciate the true brilliance of how evolution goes about solving problems. If everything about our biology and behaviour serves some kind of evolutionary purpose, then why would an urge to have an abortion be any exception?
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  10. A desire to have an abortion might _seem_ negative to someone like you - but you aren't thinking about it from an evolutionary point of view. You are thinking in terms of the here and now. You are thinking in simple terms, whereas evolution has been quietly doing its thing over millions and millions of years.
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  12. Do you think evolution would leave us in the lurch? Perhaps the growing baby can sense from its host that to be born _would *not* be optimal_ and so the best thing, from an evolutionary standpoint, would be to encourage the host to abort.
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  14. By forcing a pregnant woman to carry to term her pregnancy you are potentially disrupting, interfering with, and sabotaging millions and millions of years of evolutionary adaptations that exist in order to avoid adverse outcomes that you can't even begin to comprehend. Do you claim to know better than evolution?
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  21. +Preema24 __ I can agree with everything you wrote, except for the last sentence. It's only "stretching" because for you it's a new and untested idea.
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  29. +Darin Walker __ My reply was focused on where the _*urge*_ to have an abortion _*may*_ be arising from. You would not deny that some women do *feel* an urge to have an abortion, right? Would you try to deny that sometimes the *urge* to have an abortion _is also_ felt by women who identify as "pro life"?
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  31. Of course there can be some "pro life" women who become pregnant _and then_ feel an *urge* to have an abortion. Merely being "pro life" is not an adequate safeguard against the biological *urge* to have an abortion. A "pro life" man can be expected to remain "pro life" throughout his life, but merely being "pro life" does not reliably prevent a woman from experiencing an *urge* to have an abortion when she becomes pregnant.
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  33. >> Let that sink in, because this means something deeper _must_ be going on - perhaps via the unborn baby on an evolutionary level. <<
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  35. If you weren't so darn emotional about this important issue you would be able to acknowledge that, in _some_ instances, there _*may*_ be an evolutionary cause for the _abortion urge._ And if that is true, then perhaps *the urge* may be arising from the unborn baby itself (for reasons I covered in my previous reply).
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  37. But, this _"evolutionary abortion urge"_ is something that "pro life" advocates cannot consider because they *pretend* to speak on behalf of the unborn, and in so doing they have already ruled out *every possible reason* to abort a pregnancy!
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  39. That means - _if there is indeed an evolutionary basis for the "abortion urge"_ - then "pro life" advocates are potentially defying an unborn baby's "desire" not to be born. *Rather than speaking on behalf of an unborn baby, "pro life" advocates are effectively speaking _over_ it!*
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  41. I understand that this is going to be difficult for you to grasp, but please make the effort. It means that those who are pro life - _in those situations_ - would be denying a natural evolutionary process. Denying women the ability to pursue an urge that has an evolutionary basis (arising from the unborn baby) could end up having disastrous evolutionary consequences. Consequences that need not make any sense to you today.
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  43. But "pro life" people only think about *themselves.* "Pro life" people _assume_ that each unborn baby is _incapable_ of making known its desires and disregard the pregnant woman's urge for abortion as meaningful. "Pro life" advocates presume to know what's best for the baby, by presuming to know better than millions and millions of years of evolution!
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  45. All that "pro life" advocates are doing is projecting *their own desires* onto the unborn baby. They are *not* considering the possibility that an unborn baby may have no evolutionary desire (or need) to be born.
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  47. Sure, an unborn baby can't yet speak - but "pro life" advocates make the mistake of assuming it cannot manifest its desires by way of evolutionary processes that influence the behaviour of the pregnant woman. You ignore that! You ignore every urge a woman has for an abortion, even when that woman self-identifies as "pro life" which should be a strong hint that the urge has an evolutionary basis - a possible signal from the unborn baby itself.
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  49. As for your *silly* example of a murder victim "sending a signal" to a murderer to be killed. Good grief - I know you're emotional, but it's really clouding your judgement. Your example is beyond absurd. A baby is obviously contained inside and wholly dependent upon a woman, and its biology *can* affect the mother; whereas a murder victim has no comparable physical connection nor influence over a would-be murderer.
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  51. Next you'll be telling me about telekinesis!
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  53. You're desperate. You are talking sh!t because you believe yourself to be correct on this issue. You don't want to consider that what I am pointing out is correct because then it would mean *you* aren't able to speak on behalf of the unborn. You believe you *can* speak for the unborn baby, but I have pointed out that is probably not the case.
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  55. *Every time you deny a woman's urge for an abortion you are potentially speaking _over_ the desires of the unborn baby.*
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  57. Accept that you're "pro life" because you want to control women. That's what this is about.
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  59. Don't bother replying if you can only be childish with another silly counter example. Stop being so emotional on this important issue: *the facts don't care about your feelings.*
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  67. +Darin Walker __ Does it matter to you that if abortion is illegal, except in cases of self-defence (where a pregnant woman's life is in danger), it will lead to so-called "backyard abortions" where the pregnant woman's life is _most definitely_ in danger?
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  69. Do you understand that some pregnant women _will always_ seek out an abortion whether or not it is illegal?
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  71. If you understand this, are you okay with *those* women dying due to "backyard abortions"? If those women die, then the unborn baby dies too. And here I was thinking you were all about saving the unborn! But really, it turns out you are okay if the unborn die, just so long as they die on your terms.
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  79. +Darin Walker __ Um, _*what about*_ the "urge to r4pe, kill, steal, beat a Woman, and blow someone or something up?" Are you suggesting that there is a *living being* inside the people who feel those urges that's comparable to an unborn baby?! Haha - I've heard the excuse, _"the devil made me do it",_ but that's ridiculous.
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  81. I noticed that you didn't list any positive traits, every trait you listed was negative. You really do view abortion in a wholly negative way, don't you? Sadly, that negative outlook is preventing you from being able to think about the issue clearly, rationally, and reasonably.
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  90. +Darin Walker __ In your bizarre mind r4pe *can* be good, but if it leads to pregnancy then abortion is *always* bad. LOL! By the way, what you have described sounds horrible. I take it you are against war as strongly as you are against abortion?
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  97. +Darin Walker __ Oh, now you say abortion isn't always bad? Okay, what would be a situation where abortion is okay that doesn't involve the woman's life being at risk?
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  104. +Darin Walker __ What do you think happens to everyone who is born? Do you imagine everyone lives happily ever after, forever and ever?
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  110. +Darin Walker __ It is not for me to decide, I never said it was. I am saying it is for the pregnant woman to decide. You have admitted that you are okay with war so long as it's on your terms, but yet you don't think women are capable of dictating *some* of the terms for killing where they ought not to be punished?
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  112. If you want *all* abortion to stop, then you need to address why abortion occurs in the first place. Eliminate a woman's perceived need for abortion and there will be no more abortions, _even if it's legal._
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  120. +Darin Walker __ Don't be so dramatic! First of all, it is not yet a person. It is a tabula rasa human being that does not know of the world outside the womb; it hasn't even had a chance to choose its preferred pronouns! Women have been having abortions for a very long time and the Constitution of the United States of America will continue to be just fine.
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  128. +Darin Walker __ That video is horrible! Why would you focus on such horrors?! Perhaps we can agree that it is optimal to focus more on the things you want more of, and less on the things you want less of.
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  136. +Darin Walker __ Thanks for the heads up! Did you know that you make a compelling argument for abortion? Who would want to knowingly bring a child into such a horrible world!
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  142. ____________________________________________________________
  143. My name is Lesta Nediam and I am cracking reality like a nut.
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  145. Lesta on YouTube
  146. https://www.youtube.com/c/LestaNediamHQ
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  148. Lesta on Twitter
  149. https://twitter.com/lestanediam
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  151. Lesta on Google Plus
  152. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
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  154. What does not exist - exists to exist.
  155. What exists - exists to always exist.
  156. As it is written - so it is done.
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