[11:30:19 PM] Shawn: whats up
[11:30:33 PM] Shawn: with you
[11:31:53 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): bored
[11:31:58 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): see no point to a lot of things
[11:32:12 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i can't tell if this guild is serious or not
[11:32:18 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): its like some of you want to be super serious
[11:32:19 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): some dont
[11:32:34 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i dont understand the guild fund thing and the idea of gearing up
[11:32:40 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): cause it feels like
[11:32:51 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): we're helping out people that aren't even the core / the ones that put in the most
[11:32:56 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): feels like randos
[11:33:01 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): people that didn't transfer before
[11:33:06 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and feel like they wont transfer again
[11:33:17 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): just along for the freefarm ride
[11:33:21 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): lots of generalizations i guess idk
[11:33:28 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): in regards to end goal
[11:33:40 PM] Shawn: well we actually have been talking about it
[11:33:46 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i dont get the idea of "our goal is to be disaster's content" instead of "lets make the game fun or lets become better"
[11:33:52 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and
[11:33:56 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): in conjunction with that
[11:34:00 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): disaster is killing the game
[11:34:02 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and
[11:34:07 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): the next server
[11:34:10 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): will be the same
[11:34:12 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and its like
[11:34:13 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): what sthe point
[11:34:15 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): of playing anymore
[11:34:20 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): when it's just one big west zerg
[11:34:23 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): going server to server
[11:34:37 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): so yea my thought process startrs from
[11:34:43 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): why am i in a guild with all these br and leechers
[11:34:49 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): to
[11:34:53 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): what are we even working towards
[11:34:55 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): to
[11:35:10 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): is it even a viable goal (i don't see any of it working out cause its mainly a numbers thing, which we will not retain all these people)
[11:35:39 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): idk i guess the br and leecher thing is an overgeneralization that is unfair to some
[11:35:43 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but you get what i mean i think
[11:35:47 PM] Shawn: I do
[11:35:54 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and then
[11:36:00 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): the slayers people that keep shit talking
[11:36:05 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): is another small thing
[11:36:07 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): cause like
[11:36:12 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): disaster did the same shit to us on kyrios
[11:36:21 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): its just making more people quit imo or not enjoy the game
[11:36:56 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but yea idk i think the main thing is i was having a bad day
[11:36:58 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and
[11:37:01 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): these thoughts i been thinking about
[11:37:04 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): got enhanced i guess
[11:37:11 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and just thinking of how this game is dying
[11:37:21 PM] Shawn: well
[11:37:59 PM] Shawn: lets start with the leecher thing
[11:38:06 PM] Shawn:  I agree with you on that part
[11:38:15 PM] Shawn: but some of the brs are the ones working hardest for their gear
[11:38:21 PM] Shawn: but then there are the lazy fucks too
[11:38:34 PM] Shawn: which we already had an officer meeting about
[11:38:40 PM] Shawn: and discussed removing those people
[11:39:40 PM] Shawn: I don't want to be disasters content tbh, I just want to pvp, pvp is fun for most of us and I agree with you I think it needs to be clear that we shouldn't just be "disasters content" we do need to better ourselves as a group
[11:39:52 PM] Shawn: I don't like disaster and how they act at all
[11:39:58 PM] Shawn: all they do is shit talk and are toxic af
[11:40:21 PM] Shawn: as far as the guild fund goes
[11:40:28 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i just always felt that oyu guys were close with disaster or influenced by em cause david always come and talk and people just get disaster's pov
[11:40:34 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): like so many people diss nacl and i dont get it
[11:40:34 PM] Shawn: nah
[11:40:43 PM] Shawn: I don't really care for disaster too much
[11:40:54 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): thats why i didnt even try suggesting the nacl way of loot thing since some people are bad with money and it migh tbe better to gear people up
[11:41:12 PM] Shawn: well, there's 2 issues
[11:41:14 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): well i guess it was loki's way in fatality and we adopted it
[11:41:30 PM] Shawn: 1) people didn't trust us 100%
[11:41:36 PM] Shawn: 2) people are afraid of bias
[11:41:45 PM] Shawn: when we first st arted the guild
[11:41:48 PM] Shawn: that's why it didn't work
[11:43:23 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): ya idk this whole thing just been feeling dumb like what nacl was like when i wanted to leave
[11:43:36 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): like a business for people who just want to come leech
[11:43:42 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): on kyrios it was fun
[11:43:45 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): when we went out to look for pvp
[11:43:51 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): cause we're pretty geared
[11:43:56 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but now theres all these random 3.5ks
[11:43:57 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i didnt even realize
[11:43:59 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): were in the guild
[11:44:30 PM] Shawn: a lot of the 3.5ks are people who just came back to the game
[11:44:35 PM] Shawn: but have been working on hard their shit
[11:44:44 PM] Shawn: there are some leeches
[11:44:45 PM] Shawn: I agree 100%
[11:44:48 PM] Shawn: no denying that
[11:44:53 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but yea idk i just been having a bad day and duke constantly spamming invites and complaining about the accepting got annoying cause i feel like you guys pretty much put yourself in that place with lack of rules and fairly lax on recruitment
[11:44:56 PM] Shawn: but we already started to plan on kicking them
[11:45:11 PM] Shawn: I actually
[11:45:13 PM] Shawn: brought that up todday
[11:45:16 PM] Shawn: in our meeting
[11:45:23 PM] Shawn: that's also why there is a guild meeting tomorrow
[11:45:50 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): yea idk i just felt like duke, you and feng are pretty much the only ones who care
[11:45:56 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): like the people i was in family with
[11:46:05 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i kept hinting that i get annoyed at the fishing boat as a prime example
[11:46:13 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): cause it feels like
[11:46:15 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): they just dont care
[11:46:21 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and just want to dick around on a boat doin gnothing
[11:46:26 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): and not improve
[11:46:29 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): so its like
[11:46:34 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): is this guild a serious guild or just a lax guild i can't tell
[11:47:05 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but yea idk it was mainly just me having a bad day
[11:47:12 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i was meaning to talk to you about this stuff
[11:47:30 PM] Shawn: talk to me next time you nerd, you know I love you <3
[11:48:12 PM] Shawn: ok
[11:48:18 PM] Shawn: loot system
[11:48:22 PM] Shawn: how do you think we should change it
[11:50:01 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): idk
[11:50:04 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): like from my perspective
[11:50:13 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): people like myself and reinko and carb
[11:50:21 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): found it tough making money
[11:50:23 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): cause like
[11:50:33 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): well idk i guess i can't speak for carb since i only heard a bit of why she left
[11:50:36 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): not really the whole story
[11:50:40 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but
[11:50:44 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): theres time invested
[11:50:47 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): in going to these events
[11:50:51 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but we dont see much out of it
[11:50:59 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): so idk if other members see it the same
[11:51:09 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): but
[11:51:13 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): if its like
[11:51:16 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): mostly going to guild fund anyways
[11:51:20 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): i just dont know what its going to
[11:51:26 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): well i guess there was the siege thing
[11:51:33 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): how do you guys do it now though
[11:51:59 PM] Shawn: lik
[11:52:04 PM] Shawn: like where does the gold go?
[11:52:07 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): yea
[11:52:25 PM] Shawn: http://prntscr.com/bagebm
[11:52:48 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): so its just like
[11:52:50 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): a bank for loans
[11:52:51 PM] Vince  (っ˘ڡ˘ς): pretty much
[11:53:19 PM] Shawn: not really, but a guild that wants to compete does need a fund, do you not agree?
[11:54:17 PM] Shawn: we have the spare money atm and if we can loan it for someone that needs it asap
[11:54:20 PM] Shawn: might aswell for now
[11:54:32 PM] Shawn: but like still need enoan fragments
[11:54:35 PM] Shawn: mythic ship
[11:54:52 PM] Shawn: if it was up to me I still would give out more dgs than we take
[11:54:55 PM] Shawn: like originally we did
[11:55:42 PM] Shawn: we also have been using it to try help gear
[11:55:44 PM] Shawn: some mages