19:55	Reymedy	let's start ?!
19:56	ShootingStarmie	yes!
19:56	ShootingStarmie	i should be getting a few more peeps here
19:57	ShootingStarmie	okay, what should we base the team around?
19:57	Reymedy	hmm ok, as you want
19:57	Jirachee	I can help until tour
19:57	Reymedy	like hmm
19:57	ShootingStarmie	hi jirachee
19:57	Reymedy	well
19:57	Reymedy	I'll toss ideas
19:57	Reymedy	sharpedo
19:57	Jirachee	dd gliscor
19:57	Jirachee
19:57	Tomahawk	what
19:57	Tomahawk	does gliscor leanr dd?
19:57	Reymedy	nah
19:57	Reymedy	sd + agility
19:57	Reymedy	i guess
19:57	Jirachee	y
19:57	Reymedy	DOUBLE DANCIN
19:57	Tomahawk	oh
19:58	Tomahawk	how is that better than lando-t
19:58	Tomahawk	tho
19:58	ShootingStarmie	u-u
19:58	Jirachee	it fucks lando-t up with hyper cutter
19:58	Reymedy	ahaha
19:58	Jirachee	and flying stab
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19:58	rdj	hey
19:58	Reymedy	yea flying stab is the niche
19:58	ShootingStarmie	here they come :]
19:58	Reymedy	it's p nice
19:58	ShootingStarmie	hi guys
19:58	ShootingStarmie	we're building a bw team
19:58	Tomahawk	eq + flying is kinda redundant covereage trho
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19:58	Jirachee	not rly
19:59	ShootingStarmie	please feel free to give your opinion on whatever
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19:59	Jirachee	it hits most neutral
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19:59	Jirachee	except faggots like
19:59	Jirachee	rotom-w
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19:59	Reymedy	skarm
19:59	Reymedy	it's like
19:59	Reymedy	GEN5 PINSIR MEGA
19:59	Reymedy	!!
19:59	Jirachee	y
19:59	Jirachee
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19:59	ShootingStarmie	pls
19:59	Terrakion	so Starmie, what do they have so far?
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19:59	ShootingStarmie	we're only just started
19:59	ShootingStarmie	we're talking about sd gliscor
19:59	ShootingStarmie
19:59	Reymedy	yea we're wondering what's the theme
19:59	Terrakion	Oh
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20:00	Terrakion	SD Fling gogogogo
20:00	Circletine	..
20:00	Tomahawk	build a team around feraligatr
20:00	Shurtugal	is this just BW OU, or is this just OU teams in general?
20:00	ShootingStarmie	bw ou
20:00	Terrakion	BW
20:00	Tomahawk	or nidoking
20:00	ShootingStarmie	we build 1 team a week
20:00	ShootingStarmie	for different tiers
20:00	SlowBurn	BW OU? Rain!!1!111!11!!!1111!!
20:00	Acedia	abomasnow
20:00	Circletine	BW OU teams, is what we must make?
20:00	Acedia	no one appreciates hail
20:00	Terrakion	I like Scarf Abomasnow.
20:00	ShootingStarmie	yea, we're only building one team this week thouh
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20:00	Tomahawk	nidoking hail !
20:00	Reymedy	why nido + hail ?
20:00	Tomahawk	nidoking is great blizzard spammer tbh
20:01	Circletine	so this weeks BW OU
20:01	Circletine	so this weeks BW OU
20:01	ShootingStarmie	yes
20:01	Reymedy	ahm ok
20:01	Terrakion	Abomasnow + Heatran + Rotom-W isn't that bad.
20:01	Reymedy	what about cm sableye
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20:01	ShootingStarmie	remedy is hosting this week, so he'll be making most of the main decisions
20:01	ShootingStarmie	about the team and stuff
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20:02	Reymedy	well then
20:02	Terrakion	but CM Sableye though?
20:02	Reymedy	keep the ideas flowing
20:02	Circletine	How do we start and such? I haven't done this before
20:02	Terrakion	isn't that kinda gimmicky?
20:02	Tomahawk	hm i should make a nido hail team myself
20:02	Reymedy	I don't think so
20:02	Terrakion	lol
20:02	Reymedy	but
20:02	Tomahawk	too bad i gtg
20:02	ShootingStarmie	atm we're just suggestion ideas for pokes to build a team around
20:02	Reymedy	just keep the ideas coming I'll pick d:
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20:02	ShootingStarmie	toma :[
20:02	Tomahawk	looking forward to the log :]
20:02	Circletine	Ah
20:02	ShootingStarmie	yea ;]
20:02	Reymedy	based on what is popular
20:02	Terrakion	How about
20:02	Reymedy	(and viable)
20:02	Tomahawk	ill be back in 40
20:02	Tomahawk	if youre still doing this
20:03	ShootingStarmie	cool
20:03	Terrakion	Gen 5 hmm
20:03	Terrakion	I liked using Sand Stall
20:03	ShootingStarmie	sand stall is pretty cool
20:03	Circletine	I prefer Sun usage
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20:03	ShootingStarmie	i've had a ton of success with celetran + bulky water in sand stall
20:04	Capteon	roserade if real
20:04	Reymedy	idk, celetan jellicent is pretty lame but if you want :v
20:04	Kushy	a.k.a. jellicent
20:04	rdj	Since it looks like we're still brainstorming team ideas, how about we build around mix mence?
20:04	Kushy	just say it mark
20:04	Terrakion	Or we can build around that, just doesn't have to be Sand Stall in general
20:04	Reymedy	hard to innovate with stall
20:04	Jirachee	celebi heatran jellicent ttar hippo forretress
20:04	Kushy	*starmie
20:04	Jirachee	bkc's team
20:04	ShootingStarmie	mix mence sounds pretty amazing
20:04	Jirachee	:]
20:04	Reymedy	that's pretty much always the same team yea
20:04	Terrakion	Kushy = Kushalos?
20:04	ShootingStarmie	how do you guys feel about mence?
20:04	Kushy	yes
20:04	ShootingStarmie	sounds a lot more interesting
20:04	Terrakion	hi Kush :]
20:05	Kushy	n_n
20:05	Reymedy	mence is good against defensive teams, you don't see them that much
20:05	Reymedy	so idk
20:05	mib_uulkhm	after this BW team, can we build a mega mawile team?
20:05	Jirachee	I prefer mixnite
20:05	Jirachee	cos espeed
20:05	Jirachee	you don't rly need the speed
20:05	Reymedy	mix nite is better yea
20:05	ShootingStarmie	hmm
20:05	Reymedy	bulk + prio
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20:06	Reymedy	oh
20:06	Terrakion	what about SD Lucario w. some type of stall working in the other 5 Pokemon?
20:06	Reymedy	i got an idea
20:06	Reymedy	what about
20:06	ShootingStarmie	right so ideas with have so far
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20:06	Reymedy	Kingdra + celebi np
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20:06	Reymedy	celebi np fucks every kingda counter
20:06	ShootingStarmie	Lucario / Mence / Sand stall / gliscor
20:06	Jirachee	yeah that's good
20:06	ShootingStarmie	and celebi + kingdra
20:06	ShootingStarmie	that sounds pretty juicy actually
20:06	Jirachee	that fucks rain so hard
20:06	Reymedy	i got a really outdated cele+kingdra team
20:07	Shurtugal	are we building bulky offense / stall / heavy offense?
20:07	Reymedy	yea and some sand teams gets bursted too
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20:07	Terrakion	ehh, Blissey or Chansey can ruin that though right? unless Kingdra is DD
20:07	ShootingStarmie	shurt, it's mainly up in the air atm
20:07	Jirachee	np cele can set up on bliss
20:07	ShootingStarmie	but it's generally more fun to buil around offense
20:07	Jirachee	+6 giga drain hurts
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20:07	Reymedy	yea
20:07	Reymedy	it's like
20:07	Terrakion	How about Chesto Rest DD Kingdra?
20:07	Reymedy	wait for a crit
20:07	Reymedy	and gg
20:07	ShootingStarmie	so how does everyone feel about celebi + kingdra?
20:07	Shurtugal	np cele + keldeo is pretty neat, if you like gimmicks
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20:07	Terrakion	Water / Dragon is pretty much great coverage.
20:08	Acedia	looks great
20:08	Terrakion	DD Rest Outrage Waterfall
20:08	Jirachee	dd kingdra is only rly good vs rain though
20:08	Jirachee	and a lot run ferro
20:08	Jirachee	so that's meh
20:08	ShootingStarmie	yea
20:08	Reymedy	yea i prefer special too
20:08	ShootingStarmie	i dunno how celebi get's past ferro in rain
20:08	Reymedy	you np on it
20:08	Reymedy	and earthpower
20:08	Reymedy	cant hurt you
20:08	Jirachee	what does ferro do
20:08	Jirachee	to cele
20:08	Terrakion	I mean, we have other options. just a suggestion
20:09	ShootingStarmie	i dunno i havent played bw i long u_u
20:09	Shurtugal	if is this NP 3 attack Celebi or NP Pass Celebi?
20:09	ShootingStarmie	sorry for being scrub
20:09	Terrakion	Lol SS
20:09	Reymedy	I wad more thinking of np + recover actually
20:09	Reymedy	or yea np + 3
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20:09	ShootingStarmie	i think i prefer recover
20:09	Terrakion	brb for a sec.
20:09	ShootingStarmie	just to be a nice switch into a ton of shit
20:09	ShootingStarmie	for the ealry / mid game
20:10	Kushy	NP baton pass celebi imo
20:10	ShootingStarmie	so np / recover / giga drain / earth power?
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20:10	Reymedy	yea that's the classic one
20:10	ShootingStarmie	btw
20:10	ShootingStarmie	can someone else make the team
20:10	ShootingStarmie	ps is being rly dumb for me :[
20:10	Jirachee	no
20:10	Jirachee
20:10	Reymedy	I'll
20:10	ShootingStarmie	irachee pls
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20:11	ShootingStarmie	haunter ffs u scrub
20:11	Jirachee	ah
20:11	Shurtugal	im not sure i like NP cele with recover unless its passing
20:11	Jirachee	u got him
20:11	Jirachee
20:11	Shurtugal	because it doesnt get much oppurtunity to utilize its +2 power since grass / ground is kinda lackluster
20:11	ShootingStarmie	yea
20:11	ShootingStarmie	maybe we could just run pass over earth power?
20:11	ShootingStarmie	i mean ferro still can't do anything
20:11	Kushy	yes
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20:11	Reymedy	v:
20:11	Kushy	and then you pass to the mighty pony
20:12	Kushy	and keel em
20:12	Jirachee	well if it uses baton pass
20:12	Jirachee	it can't break
20:12	Reymedy	yea it cant break through ferro
20:12	Jirachee	kingy's counters
20:12	Jirachee	lol
20:12	Shurtugal	i was trying subsalac keldeo + nppass cele in xy ou was fun for a while but i have the feeling that would be much better to try in bw2
20:12	Reymedy	let's stick to np recover and special kingdra
20:12	Kushy	it probably would be shurt
20:12	Reymedy	coz
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20:12	Reymedy	this core has some weaknesses
20:13	Reymedy	like nite dd
20:13	ShootingStarmie	well, we can test the team and see what's better for it or w/e
20:13	Terrakion	back. have we decided on anything?
20:13	Reymedy	any ideas ?
20:13	Shurtugal	np recover celebi is sort of meh. kingdra is neat im willing to use it
20:13	Reymedy	yea
20:13	ShootingStarmie	terrakion
20:13	Shurtugal	but id want to change cele
20:13	ShootingStarmie	so far we have nasty plot recover celebi
20:13	ShootingStarmie	and kingdra
20:13	Reymedy	why would you change it shur ?
20:13	Terrakion	Okie
20:14	Jirachee	if you don't want recover, just stick in hp ice over it
20:14	ShootingStarmie	shurt thinks gorund / grass coverage is bad
20:14	Jirachee	it hits dnite which is cool
20:14	Shurtugal	^
20:14	Jirachee	and shit like latias
20:14	Shurtugal	hp ice
20:14	ShootingStarmie	i dunno, i really like being about to switch celebi into shit
20:14	ShootingStarmie	without fearing being worn down or something
20:14	Terrakion	Ferrothorn still walls that though
20:14	Shurtugal	would make it better
20:14	Jirachee	if you're gonna use kingdra, you wanna go full offense
20:14	Reymedy	earth power + hp ice + recover is still doable
20:14	Reymedy	actually that's what I used lel
20:15	Jirachee	recover isn't gonna be that useful
20:15	Jirachee	imo
20:15	Shurtugal	and its gonna be weak
20:15	ShootingStarmie	hmmm
20:15	Shurtugal	even if you put a Life Orb on it
20:15	Reymedy	k
20:15	ShootingStarmie	right
20:15	Jirachee	plus, giga drain heals you
20:15	ShootingStarmie	so we all want to drop recover?
20:15	Reymedy	it's not really about being that powerful
20:15	ShootingStarmie	i'm fine with that
20:15	Shurtugal	if this is bulky offense
20:15	Shurtugal	why not use a UTUrn Cele
20:15	Shurtugal	or something
20:15	Reymedy	ungh
20:15	Jirachee	because the point f the team
20:15	Jirachee	is using np cele
20:15	Reymedy	let's stick tp 3 atk celebi + king special
20:16	Reymedy	to*
20:16	Jirachee	to break kingy's counters
20:16	Reymedy	so we move on
20:16	Reymedy	we could still change later
20:16	Shurtugal	oh im sorry i didnt know that lol
20:16	ShootingStarmie	kk
20:16	Shurtugal	yeah lets try using NP 3 attacks
20:16	Shurtugal	that was p. neat in BW1
20:16	Reymedy	so any weakness to focus on ?
20:16	Shurtugal	giga earth power hp ice np
20:16	Reymedy	yea
20:16	Reymedy	this one
20:16	Shurtugal	lati@s twins, especially if we go with Kingdra, are going to be a pain
20:17	Terrakion	If we are doing 3 attacks, shouldn't it have HP Fire since Ferro counters Kingdra ? o think so imo
20:17	Reymedy	yea, and we need something to switch into a u-turn
20:17	ShootingStarmie	sun teams look pretty scary too
20:17	Jirachee	no
20:17	Jirachee	ferro does jackshit to cele
20:17	Shurtugal	Tyranitar, choiced variants, will be annoying. So will sun teams
20:17	Jirachee	you can just np on it
20:17	Shurtugal	^
20:17	Jirachee	it's fodder
20:17	Jirachee	cos leech seed doesn't affect it
20:17	Shurtugal	yeah ferro gets smashed by celebi
20:17	Shurtugal	earth power should be sufficient
20:17	ShootingStarmie	right
20:17	Jirachee	hp fire is for scizor
20:18	Jirachee	100%
20:18	Terrakion	without recover then, Ferro can Gyro Ball away unless your not running speed.
20:18	ShootingStarmie	tyranitar / d nite / sun teams are a problem
20:18	Jirachee	and skarm
20:18	Reymedy	soooooooooooooo lati + u-turn switch + ttar
20:18	Reymedy	it runs few speed
20:18	Reymedy	so gyro hits "ok"
20:18	rdj	I'm a bit unclear why we are using kingdra
20:18	Jirachee	why not
20:18	rdj	*on why
20:18	ShootingStarmie	cuz it's a baller
20:18	Shurtugal	running Hidden Power fire means Gliscor Landorus-T and Dragonite are annoying to Celebi and we'll be forced out, and if Dnite gets +1 it beats Kingdra
20:18	Reymedy	yea i prefer hp ice too
20:18	rdj	I'd want to pass to something fast to screw over offensive teams
20:18	Reymedy	let's try to fix the weaknesses gentlement ^^
20:18	Jirachee	it's not
20:18	ShootingStarmie	we're not passing
20:18	Reymedy	we can still change later
20:19	Jirachee	a baton passer
20:19	Reymedy	the sets
20:19	Jirachee	-______-
20:19	Shurtugal	i do agree that scizor willl be annoying, but in bw2, scarf scizor is a thing
20:19	Shurtugal	i know cuz i use it alot on my HOs when i play for starmie
20:19	Terrakion	Giga Drain hits Gliscor and Lando, Dragonite isn't switching in on Kingdra but yeah let's move on for now
20:19	Jirachee	yea scarf sciz is good
20:19	Shurtugal	id hate to lose celebi to a scarf scizor
20:19	Shurtugal
20:19	Reymedy	lati + u-turn switch + ttar  let's focus on that
20:19	Jirachee	why not use a scizor ourselves?
20:19	Reymedy	and leave king + cleebi sets behind a bit v:
20:20	ShootingStarmie	brb
20:20	Reymedy	sounds good to me
20:20	Jirachee	sciz does all of that
20:20	Jirachee	2ez
20:20	Shurtugal	ok may i ask; why did we nominate kingdra?
20:20	Jirachee	it also u-turns on waters
20:20	Jirachee	to get set up for cele
20:20	Shurtugal	is it for rain teams? cuz id think celebi would be good against those
20:20	Jirachee	because kingdra owns
20:20	Reymedy	ungh
20:20	Shurtugal	and yeah I like Scizor.
20:20	Reymedy	shurt if you want, just scroll back
20:20	rdj	scizor sounds good
20:21	Reymedy	i don't want to repeat for the 5th or so time :\
20:21	Jirachee	what kind of sciz though
20:21	Reymedy	scizor seems fine, any idea on the set ?
20:21	Jirachee	I'd run a scarf or band
20:21	Shurtugal	sorry, i see; we're using Celebi to break Kingdra's counters.
20:21	Shurtugal	(all the more reason for HP Ice)
20:21	Shurtugal	band imo
20:21	Reymedy	yea
20:21	Shurtugal	Starmie isnt a huge deal
20:21	Reymedy	hmm band or scarf hmm
20:21	Shurtugal	and we're not HO
20:21	Shurtugal	no need to scarf
20:21	Shurtugal	imo
20:22	Shurtugal	scarf is good for luring but loses a lot of power to do so
20:22	Jirachee	yeah
20:22	Reymedy	I like band better to
20:22	ShootingStarmie	back
20:22	Reymedy	too*
20:22	Jirachee	ok
20:22	Shurtugal	im not sure we can afford to risk the power drop
20:22	Jirachee	let's go for the bander
20:22	ShootingStarmie	ooo banded scizor
20:22	Shurtugal	band zor / ddrest kingdra / np celebi
20:22	Shurtugal	sun teams
20:22	ShootingStarmie	that makes us very weak to sun teams
20:22	ShootingStarmie	ya
20:22	rdj	We probably need something for sun
20:23	Shurtugal	espec. hp fire venu
20:23	ShootingStarmie	which is fine for now
20:23	Shurtugal	ninetales itself
20:23	Shurtugal	will be a threat
20:23	Shurtugal	o-o
20:23	ShootingStarmie	but we need to cover it
20:23	Jirachee	the kingdra
20:23	Jirachee	is not dd rest
20:23	Jirachee	it's rd
20:23	ShootingStarmie	?
20:23	ShootingStarmie	it is?
20:23	ShootingStarmie	.-.
20:23	Jirachee	yes
20:23	ShootingStarmie	.-.
20:23	Shurtugal	also, remember that dragmag team those idm players posted iirc in the bw2 rmt section
20:23	ShootingStarmie	Okay let's recap
20:23	Shurtugal	i think magdrag would elliminate this easy
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20:24	Reymedy	http://piratepad.net/ErNtoLLN1h
20:24	Shurtugal	traps scizor and then dragon spams crush us
20:24	ShootingStarmie	We have RD Kingdra / Nasty Plot Celebi / Banded Scizor
20:24	Reymedy	so far
20:24	ShootingStarmie	cool
20:24	Reymedy	i'm vvorried about volcarona now
20:24	Jirachee	yeah
20:24	Reymedy	since a locked zor is easy pz set-up
20:24	Jirachee	why not use a dd nite
20:24	Jirachee	dd lum
20:25	ShootingStarmie	well heatran takes on both sun teams and volc nicely
20:25	Jirachee	it can beat dragmag teams with no rox
20:25	ShootingStarmie	i'm ust worried about duggtrio
20:25	Reymedy	nite does fine against suns too
20:25	Jirachee	yeah
20:25	Reymedy	and king is actually useful here too
20:25	ShootingStarmie	ah, fight  fire with fire i see
20:25	Shurtugal	the thing with dnite is that i feel the need to put hazard control
20:25	Shurtugal	would a band nite fit here?
20:25	Shurtugal	it doesnt need spin support as much
20:25	Jirachee	it sure would
20:26	Jirachee	however
20:26	ShootingStarmie	well i mean it would wall break really nicely for kingdra
20:26	Jirachee	it doesn't beat dragmag
20:26	Jirachee	so you have to get something else for that
20:26	Reymedy	terrakion scarf could also check volcarona
20:26	Shurtugal	yeah that is true ;/
20:26	Shurtugal	hmm yeah, and it wouldnt be too bad against dragmag either
20:27	Shurtugal	we could add xscissor as insurance against lati@s
20:27	Shurtugal	cc / sedge / rock slide / xscissor
20:27	Reymedy	so yea, 3 options nite / heatran / terrak
20:28	Shurtugal	dd dragonite, if we fail to prevent SR from coming up, can't beat dragmag
20:28	Shurtugal	heatran and rak are the two better choices imo
20:28	ShootingStarmie	ah
20:28	ShootingStarmie	rak sounds nice
20:28	Shurtugal	i agree
20:28	Reymedy	I don't like heatran that much
20:28	Reymedy	so terrak it is for now
20:28	ShootingStarmie	rak does really nicely vs most on kingdra's counters too
20:29	ShootingStarmie	and kingdra destorys gliscor / lando t
20:29	Reymedy	http://piratepad.net/ErNtoLLN1h
20:29	Reymedy	and yea
20:29	Reymedy	hp ice celebi
20:29	Reymedy	could surprise a lando
20:29	Reymedy	the speed on celebi is for mamo
20:29	Reymedy	and yea
20:29	Shurtugal	why
20:29	Reymedy	the sets and just copy/paste
20:29	Shurtugal	quick attack
20:29	Reymedy	don't bother
20:29	Shurtugal	on terrakion
20:29	Shurtugal	?_?
20:29	Shurtugal	why not rock slide
20:29	Reymedy	iirc it's because it saved me once
20:29	Reymedy	don't bother
20:30	Reymedy	t's details
20:30	Reymedy	it's*
20:30	ShootingStarmie	yea
20:30	Shurtugal	also
20:30	Shurtugal	for celebi
20:30	Jirachee	both are situational
20:30	Shurtugal	i was thinking more of a timid
20:30	Shurtugal	lo set
20:30	ShootingStarmie	you can chage the team slightly to your own perferece if you want
20:30	Shurtugal	it can outrun land
20:30	Shurtugal	but yeah OK i suppose we can nitpick later
20:30	Reymedy	thats celebi np set is old so yea we'll have to change the evs later
20:30	Shurtugal	Band Zor / Kingdra / Celebi / Terrakion
20:30	Reymedy	you're right shurt, that's the idea
20:31	Reymedy	we'll see the evs later to match the objectives we set for the mons
20:31	Reymedy	any glaring weaknesses ?
20:31	Shurtugal	opposing Scizor
20:31	Shurtugal	look pretty annoying
20:31	Reymedy	another check would not hurt, sd acrobat could be annoying
20:31	Shurtugal	we also have no EQ immunity
20:32	Shurtugal	so scarf landot
20:32	Shurtugal	becomes annoying
20:32	ShootingStarmie	hmmm
20:32	Shurtugal	and they can wreck havoc if celebi doesnt lure them
20:32	Jirachee	any lando-t
20:32	Jirachee	rly
20:32	Terrakion	ohh were we talking about terrakion
20:32	Jirachee	lol
20:32	Shurtugal	^
20:32	Shurtugal	yeah
20:32	Shurtugal	we rely on cele to lure it too much
20:32	Jirachee	and DD GLISC
20:32	Shurtugal	lol
20:32	Reymedy
20:32	Jirachee	6-0 2ez thx4pts
20:33	Shurtugal	uturn gliscor too
20:33	Reymedy	hippo could fix it
20:33	Reymedy	?_?
20:33	Jirachee	use
20:33	Jirachee	lando-t
20:33	Jirachee	instead
20:33	Jirachee	the pivot.
20:33	Shurtugal	yeah that's a better idea
20:33	Jirachee	w/ hp ice
20:33	Shurtugal	and its dual uturn with scizor
20:33	Reymedy	okok lando
20:33	ShootingStarmie	yea
20:33	ShootingStarmie	hippo seems too defensive as well
20:33	ShootingStarmie	for this kida team
20:33	Reymedy	i'm abit afraid of damages an acro zor could do but yea
20:34	Jirachee	well
20:34	Jirachee	kingdra can check it
20:34	Reymedy	true
20:34	Jirachee	cos weak as fuck bp
20:34	Reymedy	lando-t it is
20:34	Shurtugal	o we're weak to baton pass lol
20:34	Shurtugal	!
20:34	ShootingStarmie	btw
20:34	ShootingStarmie	im keeping logs of everything
20:34	ShootingStarmie	n_n
20:35	ShootingStarmie	also what team isn't weak to bp :[
20:35	Shurtugal	i run nasty plot thundurus + taunt bisharp in xy ou with red card deod
20:35	Shurtugal	havent lost to baton pass yet
20:35	Shurtugal	and they have huge niche outside of beating baton pass
20:35	Reymedy	ok good lando-t already added :d
20:36	Shurtugal	k let see
20:36	Shurtugal	LandoT / BandZor / Kingdra / Terrakion / Celebi
20:36	Shurtugal	so we need one last mon
20:36	ShootingStarmie	right
20:36	ShootingStarmie	i'm just trying to think of things
20:36	Reymedy	thats truuuuuuue
20:36	ShootingStarmie	that we might be weak to
20:37	Shurtugal	hmmm how do we beat
20:37	Shurtugal	standard
20:37	ShootingStarmie	so far the synergy is awesome
20:37	Shurtugal	skarmoffense
20:37	Shurtugal	seems like it'd struggle
20:37	ShootingStarmie	i mean kingdra does ok against it
20:37	Reymedy	standart skarm offense ?
20:37	ShootingStarmie	but ya no hazards control is a bbummer
20:37	Reymedy	like
20:37	Shurtugal	custapskarm
20:37	Shurtugal	offense
20:37	Shurtugal	is what i mean
20:37	Reymedy	i kno
20:38	Reymedy	but that's still vague to me
20:38	Terrakion	what about Tran though?
20:38	Jirachee	the bigger issue w/ hazards would be against stall imo
20:38	Reymedy	yea spikes
20:38	Reymedy	are annoying
20:38	Reymedy	for the team
20:38	Jirachee	stalls with scarftar will be able to stop celebi
20:38	Jirachee	then, we have a hard time breaking it
20:38	Jirachee	and eventually lose to spikes
20:38	Shurtugal	well lets take mine: specs modest keldeo / lefties 252 hp kyub / scarf scizor / skarmory / lo lucario / sashgengar
20:38	Jirachee	or tspikes against faggots like kevin cronin
20:39	ShootingStarmie	lmao
20:39	ShootingStarmie	we could possibly switch roles for the pokes
20:39	Shurtugal	i run dtail kyub lol
20:39	ShootingStarmie	i mean taunt sd terra
20:39	ShootingStarmie	can fuck with stall
20:39	Shurtugal	which would rly hurt
20:39	Shurtugal	this team
20:39	ShootingStarmie	so can shit like sd yache chomp
20:39	ShootingStarmie	over maybe lando?
20:39	Shurtugal	hmmm taunt terrakion is interesting
20:39	ShootingStarmie	or something
20:39	ShootingStarmie	we can be creative
20:39	Jirachee	no
20:39	Jirachee	we still have
20:39	Jirachee	1 slot
20:39	Jirachee	to fill
20:39	Jirachee	we can use it
20:39	Reymedy	okay okay hold on lol
20:39	Jirachee	to fix that
20:39	Reymedy	yea
20:39	Jirachee	n_n
20:40	Reymedy	dont start changing the sets just now
20:40	ShootingStarmie	jirachee pls
20:40	Shurtugal	yeah i think a solid taunt user
20:40	Shurtugal	would be good
20:40	Reymedy	we have room to play with
20:40	Shurtugal	or just
20:40	Reymedy	and we don't need a taunter at all imo
20:40	Shurtugal	life orb kyub and ohko skarm
20:40	Shurtugal	or we can add hazard control
20:40	Jirachee	why not run a bluff scarf rachi
20:40	Reymedy	I don't think we need to focus on that "skarm offense" match up that much
20:40	Jirachee	it beats skarm leads ez
20:41	Reymedy	that's far from being a 6-0
20:41	Jirachee	and then
20:41	Jirachee	and then
20:41	Jirachee	you can get an ez kill
20:41	Jirachee	vs stall
20:41	Jirachee	which usually fucks them up
20:41	Reymedy	i like jira too
20:41	Shurtugal	what jirachi set
20:41	Jirachee	cos bw stall is shaky as fuck
20:41	Shurtugal	do you have in mind?
20:41	Jirachee	an ebelter
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20:41	Shurtugal	yeah iron head turn 2
20:41	Shurtugal	*1
20:41	Shurtugal	tbolt
20:41	Jirachee	ihead/tbolt and 2 fillers
20:41	Shurtugal	the next
20:41	Shurtugal	hp ice and filler
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20:41	Jirachee	can be u-turn or gk
20:41	Jirachee	or eball if mad @ rotom-w
20:42	Shurtugal	we could run shuca, which can beat mamo
20:42	Jirachee	yeah
20:42	rdj	does rachi help against stalls with scarf tar?
20:42	Shurtugal	thou jira
20:42	Shurtugal	eb
20:42	Shurtugal	doesnt really
20:42	Shurtugal	destroy stall
20:42	Reymedy	it can
20:42	Jirachee	no but it sure helps
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20:42	Shurtugal	yeah LO NP Celebi
20:42	Shurtugal	should break stall enough
20:42	Reymedy	no need lo, like really
20:42	Shurtugal	but chansey / skarm
20:42	Shurtugal	seems annoying
20:42	Shurtugal	yeah jira helps against it though
20:42	Reymedy	why that
20:43	Shurtugal	cuz chansey walls celebi
20:43	Jirachee	chansi
20:43	Shurtugal	skarm walls terrakion and scizor
20:43	Jirachee
20:43		+++ Porygon2 has given halfop to Tomahawk
20:43	Shurtugal	and that's standard stall
20:43	Shurtugal	too
20:43	ShootingStarmie	toma n_n
20:43	Shurtugal
20:43	Tomahawk	what's the team
20:43	Tomahawk	right now
20:43	Reymedy	first, let's forgot blobs for a mins coz fuck it in bw
20:43	Reymedy	second
20:43	ShootingStarmie	toma
20:43	ShootingStarmie	http://piratepad.net/ErNtoLLN1h
20:43	Reymedy	you np
20:43	Reymedy	giga drain
20:43	Reymedy	its fat ass
20:43	Reymedy	and get full hp
20:43	Reymedy	and if you didn't crit
20:43	Reymedy	you switch
20:43	Reymedy	and thats it
20:43	Reymedy	you lost nothing
20:43	Tomahawk	ty
20:43	Shurtugal	its those
20:43	Shurtugal	toxic / twave ones
20:44	Tomahawk	hm
20:44	Shurtugal	that make me anxious
20:44	Reymedy	you have nature stuff so w/e lol
20:44	Tomahawk	maybe eq > qa on terrakion for toxicroak
20:44	Reymedy	scizor is a safe switch
20:44	Shurtugal	i suggest rock slide
20:44	Tomahawk	doesnt +2 cc ko
20:44	Reymedy	thats really up to you, this is detail d:
20:44	Shurtugal	hmm pursuit scizor
20:44	Shurtugal	could whittle down chansey
20:44	Shurtugal	and jirachi helps lure things
20:44	Shurtugal	its still annoying though
20:44	Reymedy	you also can just u-turn and get the free momemtum v:
20:44	Shurtugal	without brute strength
20:45	Reymedy	so, ungh
20:45	Tomahawk	maybe baton pass on celebi to pass to kingdra ?
20:45	Reymedy	about the last mon
20:45	Shurtugal	perhaps
20:45	Shurtugal	not use jirachi
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20:45	Reymedy	let's, focus on the last mon
20:45	Shurtugal	and use a better mon that beats Skarm + stall
20:45	Reymedy	and then
20:45	Reymedy	AFTER
20:45	Reymedy	change the sets
20:45	Reymedy	MAYBE
20:45	Shurtugal	^
20:45	Shurtugal	no maybe
20:45	Shurtugal	that cele needs to change
20:45	Shurtugal	but yeah i agree
20:45	Shurtugal	lets focus on the last mon first
20:45	Reymedy	okok, whatever
20:46	Reymedy	we'll see clearer after the last mon
20:46	Shurtugal	a strong taunter could work
20:46	Tomahawk	yes
20:46	Tomahawk	what are the problems here?
20:46	Shurtugal	skarmoffense is kinda annoying
20:46	Shurtugal	to face
20:46	Shurtugal	atm
20:46	Shurtugal	since no hazard control
20:46	Reymedy	~_~
20:46	Shurtugal	@tomahawk
20:46	Shurtugal	lol specs trick starmie
20:47	ShootingStarmie	pls
20:47	Reymedy	idk why you say this matchup is bad
20:47	ShootingStarmie	nothing tricks me >:[
20:47	Reymedy	like honnestly
20:47	Tomahawk	skarmoffense
20:47	Reymedy	and a taunter is really not needed
20:47	Tomahawk	bleh i havent playhed bw2
20:47	Tomahawk	is that like sturdy custap?
20:47	Reymedy	yea
20:47	Tomahawk	ok
20:47	Shurtugal	what can we do
20:47	Shurtugal	to beat skarmoffense
20:47	Reymedy	it's not that common, chomp lead is usually prefered
20:47	Shurtugal	the spikes eventually
20:47	Shurtugal	whittles the team down
20:47	Tomahawk	electric mon
20:48	Reymedy	ok shur, explain me, which part of the skarm offense, fucks us ?
20:48	Reymedy	like, are you just concerned about having a perfect lead matchup ?
20:48	Reymedy	idgi
20:49	Shurtugal	im concerned about the spikes
20:49	ShootingStarmie	have we decided on a last mon yet?
20:49	Shurtugal	but im also concerned about stall
20:49	rdj	n
20:49	Jirachee	hm
20:49	Reymedy	you're not gonn switch a lot against HO
20:49	Shurtugal	id be content with a stallbreaker
20:49	Shurtugal	tbh
20:49	Tomahawk	hm
20:49	Jirachee	what about a thundurus-t
20:49	Reymedy	so that's not as annoying as for stalls
20:49	Jirachee	nper
20:49	Shurtugal	something that beats skarm/chansey
20:49	Jirachee	well dder
20:49	Reymedy	drop the chansey lmfao
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20:50	Tomahawk	how about ninetales in the last slot and growth venusaur > celebi or something
20:50	Tomahawk	idk
20:50	Reymedy	im not feeling thundrusu-t too muchbut oh well
20:50	Shurtugal	or skarm/ferro/cent
20:50	Tomahawk	im bad at bw2
20:50	Shurtugal	rain stall
20:50	Shurtugal	etc.
20:50	Jirachee	toma
20:50	Shurtugal	like tenta chansey skarm politoed
20:50	Shurtugal	etc.
20:50	Shurtugal	etc.
20:50	Jirachee	that doesn't rly work cos
20:50	Tomahawk	y?
20:50	Jirachee	sun needs lotsa support
20:50	Jirachee	to work
20:50	Jirachee	:(
20:50	Tomahawk	hm
20:50	Tomahawk	i havent played bw2 out of tour
20:50	Reymedy	I liked kyurem-b better
20:51	Shurtugal	yeah i ran modest lo grass knot latios on sun cuz fuck ttar :S
20:51	Tomahawk	also rain dance kingdra is enough after you ko weather setter i guess
20:51	Shurtugal	^
20:51	Shurtugal	yeah that
20:51	Shurtugal	lets focus on a stallbreaker
20:51	Reymedy	a soft one tho
20:51	Jirachee	no need to use like taunt wow mew
20:52	Shurtugal	i mean an offensive answer
20:52	Shurtugal	not bulky stallbreakers
20:52	Tomahawk	uh
20:52	Tomahawk	sd croak?
20:52	Shurtugal	stuff like KyuB, etc.
20:52	Reymedy	I want something fast too tho
20:52	Shurtugal	agreed
20:52	Reymedy	croak is not easy to pull off, and we have already celebi/kingdra for keldeo
20:52	Reymedy	so I don't think we need it
20:52	Shurtugal	that's one of the main reasons why im sort of nervous about skarmoffense: fast mons with spike support
20:52	Shurtugal	some speed would be nice
20:53	Jirachee	trickspecslatigod
20:53	Reymedy	what about
20:53	Reymedy	gengar
20:53	Jirachee	ah
20:53	Jirachee	that owns
20:53	Shurtugal	we could
20:53	Shurtugal	CM Latios!!
20:53	Reymedy	or dd latios
20:53	Shurtugal	or taunt gar is solid
20:53	Shurtugal	taunt gar (or sub) screws stall
20:53	Reymedy	pmuch
20:54	Tomahawk	we have pursuit scizor
20:54	Tomahawk	so maybe tickle wobb
20:54	Shurtugal	...
20:54	Shurtugal	i nominate gengar
20:54	Reymedy	that would not help our "speed" issue
20:54	Shurtugal	for the last poisition
20:54	Shurtugal	*position
20:54	Tomahawk	true
20:54	Shurtugal	gengar is fast enough with scarf terrakion to support it
20:54	Shurtugal	base 110 speed
20:54	Shurtugal	is nice
20:54	Reymedy	I'm not sure about the set tho
20:54	Shurtugal	yeah im not sure
20:55	Reymedy	I feel like sub is cool, wow too and taunt too xD
20:55	Shurtugal	if i want LO 4 attackers
20:55	Reymedy	oh
20:55	Shurtugal	sub
20:55	Shurtugal	or taunt
20:55	Shurtugal	on it
20:55	Shurtugal	etc.
20:55	Shurtugal	id have to test
20:55	Reymedy	last time ive seen sub / taunt / wow / sb
20:55	Shurtugal	but i think gar in general is a good idea
20:55	Reymedy	and it worked
20:55	Reymedy	i think the last st winner used it or something
20:55	Shurtugal	was that in xy ou or bw2 ou
20:55	Reymedy	in bw
20:55	Shurtugal	wow not bad
20:55	Shurtugal	it breaks stall and skarmoffense
20:55	Shurtugal	at the same time
20:55	Shurtugal	the Will-O-Wisp calls for testing
20:55	Reymedy	yea wow sub is a bitch for offenses
20:56	Shurtugal	but i think its a good idea
20:56	Shurtugal	shootingstarmie have anything to add?
20:56	ShootingStarmie	sorry, i've just been logging this all n_n
20:56	ShootingStarmie	trying to catch up on things
20:56	Shurtugal	its ok n__n
20:56	ShootingStarmie	uh, you was thinking about gengar?
20:56	rdj	it also lures and cripples ttar
20:56	Shurtugal	yeah
20:57	Reymedy	i'm looking for the bulky spread
20:57	ShootingStarmie	that sounds cool with me
20:57	Shurtugal	SubTauntWillOWisp Shadow Ball Gengar
20:57	ShootingStarmie	it gives us another ground immunity too
20:57	ShootingStarmie	which is great since lando t gets worn down alot
20:57	ShootingStarmie	 and i'm a massive fan of gengar
20:58	ShootingStarmie	right so
20:58	ShootingStarmie	banded scizor / RD kingdra / np celebi / scarf terrak / sr lando t / will o taunt gengar
20:58	Shurtugal	yep
20:58	ShootingStarmie	i don't see any obvious weaknesses
20:58	Shurtugal	now time for the nitpicking
20:58	Shurtugal	of the sets
20:58	ShootingStarmie	that that gengar set looks boss
20:58	Shurtugal	yeah ikr n__n
20:58	Reymedy	ok
20:58	Shurtugal	so first
20:58	Reymedy	so
20:58	rdj	If you don't mind me asking what do gengar's evs do?
20:58	Shurtugal	timid 252 / 252 life orb celebi
20:59	Shurtugal	seems like the best bet
20:59	Shurtugal	(with hp ice)
20:59	Reymedy	nah I don't like dropping all the health
20:59	Reymedy	just
20:59	Reymedy	hit more than lando-t
20:59	Reymedy	and rest in bulk
20:59	Reymedy	not all in spa
20:59	Reymedy	it's useless
20:59	Reymedy	unless you give me a special case
20:59	Shurtugal	hmm
21:00	Shurtugal	id want to outrun jirachi
21:00	Shurtugal	or at least
21:00	Shurtugal	jolly mamoswine
21:00	Shurtugal	since they will most likely not Ice Shard
21:00	Shurtugal	since we'll liveit
21:00	Shurtugal	and Giga drain
21:00	Shurtugal	and it might be worth just running enough speed to outrun 289
21:00	Shurtugal	screw ada / rash kyub
21:01	Shurtugal	so hit like 290 spe
21:01	Shurtugal	max spa
21:01	Shurtugal	rest into HP
21:01	Shurtugal	imo
21:01	ShootingStarmie	i'm fine with 290 spe
21:01	ShootingStarmie	we could even run just 26 spe
21:01	ShootingStarmie	36*
21:02	ShootingStarmie	since we have scizor for most kyurem b and mamo
21:02	ShootingStarmie	and terrakion
21:02	Shurtugal	although note that, like, those weird ppl with jolly landorus-t hit like 309
21:02	Reymedy	changed the spread
21:02	Shurtugal	although most ppl run scarf if they run jolly so it wouldnt matter
21:02	Reymedy	309 ungh
21:02	Shurtugal	just be careful on low ladder imo
21:02	ShootingStarmie	lol
21:02	Reymedy	lel
21:03	Reymedy	so
21:03	Reymedy	any other issue about the sets ?
21:03	Reymedy	for little changes, well that's your call
21:03	Shurtugal	what speed
21:03	Reymedy	(like quick attack terrakion
21:03	Shurtugal	is that
21:03	Reymedy	)
21:03	Shurtugal	landorus-t
21:03	Shurtugal	hitting
21:03	Shurtugal	O_O
21:03	Reymedy	ahm I didn't check
21:03	ShootingStarmie	uh
21:03	Reymedy	it's for luke i guess
21:04	ShootingStarmie	how good is quick atk on terra?
21:04	Shurtugal	so it hits
21:04	Shurtugal	280
21:04	Shurtugal	or
21:04	Reymedy	err actually it ties yea
21:04	Shurtugal	like
21:04	ShootingStarmie	i dunno, i always preered rock slide to revenge mence and volc
21:04	Shurtugal	why not run
21:04	Shurtugal	265
21:04	ShootingStarmie	without relying on stome miss
21:04	Shurtugal	for those
21:04	Shurtugal	modest bulky volcas
21:04	Shurtugal	and most mons hit 264
21:04	Shurtugal	like tenta
21:04	Shurtugal	and you outrun
21:04	Reymedy	im fien with it
21:04	Shurtugal	jolly breloom and
21:04	Shurtugal	dnite
21:04	Shurtugal	and we can invest more into bulk
21:04	rdj	Reymedy, what do gengar's evs do?
21:04	Shurtugal	also dont use jolly
21:04	Reymedy	i usually hit 270 for croak
21:05	Shurtugal	yeah
21:05	Shurtugal	specifit evs
21:05	Shurtugal	on gar
21:05	Shurtugal	(and yeah hit croak I guess, though it wont do much anyway)
21:05	Reymedy	croak could be annoying
21:05	Reymedy	oh
21:05	Reymedy	we got gengar wow
21:06	Reymedy	so w/e actually
21:06	ShootingStarmie	yea
21:06	Shurtugal	yeah with sub
21:06	Shurtugal	andtaunt
21:06	ShootingStarmie	that genegar set is really nice
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21:06	ShootingStarmie	right
21:06	Shurtugal	what speeds
21:06	ShootingStarmie	i think that about wraps it up?
21:07	Shurtugal	is that
21:07	Shurtugal	kingdra
21:07	Shurtugal	hitting?
21:07	Reymedy	dunno, copy pasted
21:07	Shurtugal	(also, @jirachee anything to add?)
21:07	Reymedy	ah
21:07	ShootingStarmie	this seems like a really cool team actually
21:07	Reymedy	outspeeds
21:07	Reymedy	scarf lati
21:07	ShootingStarmie	once ps stops being dumb i'll play with the team a lil
21:07	Reymedy	and bulky double dance lando
21:07	Reymedy	but mb we shoudl add more
21:07	Reymedy	to make sure
21:08	Shurtugal	ps is working for me? then again im playing xy ou
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21:08	ShootingStarmie	i just can't log onto ps at all
21:08	ShootingStarmie	:[
21:08	Reymedy	sooooooooooooo
21:08	Reymedy	are we done ? bar minor nitpicks ?
21:08	ShootingStarmie	uh i think so?
21:08	Shurtugal	yes
21:08	ShootingStarmie	that was a great session guys
21:08	Shurtugal	bar nitpicks
21:08	Shurtugal	we are done
21:08	Reymedy	any last opinion to share ?
21:08	Shurtugal	dont say that yet
21:08	Shurtugal	we have to test it
21:08	Shurtugal	first
21:08	ShootingStarmie	thanks so much for everyone helping out
21:08	Shurtugal	np
21:08	Reymedy	yea well testing is your deed
21:08	Shurtugal	lol the one time i come on PS
21:08	ShootingStarmie	and thanks rememdy for hosting this week
21:09	Shurtugal	XD
21:09	Reymedy	yea, thanks everybody
21:09	Reymedy	:D