[6:04:09 PM] Martina: Okay so basically
[6:04:14 PM] Martina: we have 18 people in our chat right now
[6:04:21 PM] Martina: and I go away for like 3 hours and there's like 6 thousand messages
[6:04:31 PM] Jay Komaeda: Same yo
[6:04:33 PM] Martina: So I feel like we should divide it up into groups
[6:04:34 PM] Jay Komaeda: 😂😂
[6:04:38 PM] Martina: and have moderators manage groups
[6:04:53 PM] Martina: Like I feel like 1 per 20 members is a decent amount
[6:04:56 PM] Martina: and if someone feels unsafe
[6:05:01 PM] Sushi Lover: ;; but we'll all be apart then
[6:05:03 PM] Martina: they can leave the group and be invited back
[6:05:09 PM] Martina: after their report is handled
[6:05:25 PM] Martina: The discord group only needs one chat
[6:05:29 PM] Martina: but maybe like 15 categories
[6:05:45 PM] Jay Komaeda: Like?
[6:05:46 PM] Martina: like MM chat 1, chat 2, chat 3, chat 4, fan creations 1, 2, spoilers here
[6:05:56 PM] Martina: and then a seperate group for 18+ chats so two discord groups
[6:05:57 PM] Jay Komaeda: Hmmm
[6:06:07 PM] Sushi Lover: yes but we also have to count in skype
[6:06:09 PM] Martina: Speaking from experience if you don't slow the flow of chat
[6:06:21 PM] Martina: So make like a network of gruops
[6:06:25 PM] Martina: and people can choose to be part of 2-3
[6:06:34 PM] Martina: And you basically keep the groups to like 40 people with 2 mods each
[6:06:36 PM] Jay Komaeda: I was thinking the same
[6:06:41 PM] Jay Komaeda: That's a really good idea
[6:06:46 PM] Jay Komaeda: Yeah
[6:06:48 PM] Martina: general otome chat1, 2, etc
[6:06:55 PM] Martina: Because of just how big our flow here is with 18 active people.
[6:06:57 PM] Jay Komaeda: And since there's a lot of us mods
[6:07:02 PM] Martina: and we won't be seperated
[6:07:06 PM] Martina: we have sin chat and work chat.
[6:07:16 PM] Martina: and when we actually launch the groups
[6:07:24 PM] Martina: we should have a non work chat because we've been using this for both
[6:07:28 PM] Martina: and the other group as 18+ and fun stuff
[6:07:34 PM] Jay Komaeda: We should have one for the younger ones too so they wouldn't feel left out
[6:07:37 PM] Martina: you can mix the other two groups as much as you want but we need to use this group
[6:07:38 PM] Martina: yeah
[6:07:41 PM] Martina: for business only
[6:07:47 PM] Martina: so this chat should only be for things going on
[6:07:54 PM] Martina: like discussion of punishments, and asking whether to step in
[6:07:54 PM] Sushi Lover: if we're separating it to groups, should we do the age then?
[6:07:58 PM] Martina: Nah
[6:08:03 PM] Martina: Just separate based on 18+ or not
[6:08:28 PM] Jay Komaeda: This chatroom can be like a "conference room" for us mods
[6:08:39 PM] Martina: I'm thinking MM general chat 1, 2, otome general chat 1, 2, 3, fancreations 1, 2, 18+ general 1, 2, and 18+ creations (just one room I think)
[6:08:44 PM] Sushi Lover: hmmm, i don't mind the idea but there's gonna be lots of permission to get this to work
[6:08:52 PM] Martina: well ursula is very organized
[6:08:53 PM] Jay Komaeda: That's true
[6:08:57 PM] Sushi Lover: if we're locking in 20 in one channel alone
[6:08:57 PM] Martina: so all people have to do after accepting
[6:09:01 PM] Martina: nah
[6:09:04 PM] Martina: I think 20 is too few
[6:09:09 PM] Martina: I'm thinking 40
[6:09:10 PM] Jay Komaeda: We shouldn't dump everything on Ursula though
[6:09:13 PM] Martina: Yeah I know
[6:09:21 PM] Martina: but ursula is the only one who can send out invites I think
[6:09:25 PM] Martina: I can't do it at least I'm not a blog mod.
[6:09:31 PM] Martina: I'm just speaking my mind based on arrangement
[6:09:44 PM] Martina: I know for a fact the groups will be less active than this group
[6:09:46 PM] Martina: because some people are just shy
[6:09:49 PM] Martina: and some people are busy
[6:09:55 PM] Martina: so I expect 10 active members tops
[6:10:01 PM] Martina: at a time
[6:10:04 PM] Jay Komaeda: We should talk about this again with Ursula later
[6:10:06 PM] Martina: like friday night and a new otome came out
[6:10:09 PM] Martina: Ursula is reading I think
[6:10:18 PM] Martina: I basically spoke my mind to ursula and she told me to move it here.
[6:10:22 PM] Martina: so everyone else can see.
[6:10:23 PM] Sushi Lover: oh i see
[6:10:26 PM] Jay Komaeda: I see
[6:10:35 PM] Martina: Discord should be divided into the same amount of channels but 2 groups
[6:10:37 PM] Martina: 18+ and not
[6:10:41 PM] Martina: skype needs a handful of rooms
[6:10:48 PM] Jay Komaeda: Yeah
[6:10:49 PM] Martina: the only thing that needs heavy amounts of applications is skype
[6:10:57 PM] Martina: if you have 200 people in one room it'll be a damn mess
[6:10:57 PM] Jay Komaeda: And most people prefer Skype as well
[6:11:00 PM] Martina: this way we can also like
[6:11:03 PM] Martina: Not reject anyone
[6:11:04 PM] Sushi Lover: Yes that is my fear
[6:11:11 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: Yeah I'm reading, just conserving battery so can't talk
[6:11:21 PM] Martina: so we can effectively manage 500 people or however many end up joining
[6:11:25 PM] Sushi Lover: .......
[6:11:28 PM] Sushi Lover: oh my god
[6:11:28 PM] Martina: because we could end up making it a general otome network
[6:11:33 PM] Martina: I mean of course get more c mods
[6:11:35 PM] Sushi Lover: oh
[6:11:36 PM] Martina: 2 per 50 I think
[6:11:36 PM] Jay Komaeda: That's true
[6:11:54 PM] Martina: and I feel like there need to be specialized mods for reports only
[6:11:57 PM] Jay Komaeda: What should be the limit though
[6:12:02 PM] Martina: because screen shots can remove a lot of context
[6:12:03 PM] Sushi Lover: we should also tell the members for each group their mods then
[6:12:08 PM] Martina: yeah ofc
[6:12:21 PM] Martina: Like I'm used to handling assholes who remove context from reports
[6:12:25 PM] Martina: and I could teach others from example
[6:12:27 PM] Sushi Lover: so if there's ever an issue they can tagged them in discord
[6:12:32 PM] Sushi Lover: and pm in skype
[6:12:33 PM] Martina: so at first I could do all the reports and teach the rest of you
[6:12:40 PM] Jay Komaeda: Okay
[6:12:43 PM] Martina: cause trust me
[6:12:48 PM] Martina: If you aren't used to it
[6:12:55 PM] Martina: you can see a screen shot of someone calling someone a disgusting pig
[6:12:59 PM] Martina: it could have been friendly banter
[6:13:04 PM] Martina: from both parties
[6:13:09 PM] Martina: but a third party might not like the offending party
[6:13:12 PM] Martina: and try to get them in trouble.
[6:13:23 PM] Martina: So that's why i definitely need a workshop in how to do reports that you were away for
[6:13:42 PM] Sushi Lover: wouldn't it also be easier to see the backlog with smaller group then?
[6:13:56 PM] Martina: yeah but that's like a last resort
[6:13:58 PM] Martina: if you can't find a backlog
[6:14:04 PM] Martina: like if they send you a screen shot of disgusting pig
[6:14:07 PM] Sushi Lover: though i guess they can delete the message too
[6:14:07 PM] Martina: you can search the log for disgusting pig
[6:14:11 PM] Martina: and that too
[6:14:25 PM] Martina: iand another thing is
[6:14:31 PM] Martina: they'll tell you hey so and so said this and this happened
[6:14:35 PM] Martina: but if you don't have proof and can't find it
[6:14:41 PM] Martina: you can't exactly punish the other person
[6:14:44 PM] Sushi Lover: on discord aren't there bots that block out words?
[6:14:51 PM] Martina: probably
[6:14:51 PM] Sushi Lover: like certain trigger and such
[6:15:08 PM] Martina: I'm just thinking about skype
[6:15:11 PM] Martina: since skype will be bigger
[6:15:19 PM] Martina: and has no bots
[6:15:22 PM] Sushi Lover: well with Skype we can search
[6:15:25 PM] Sushi Lover: discord we can't
[6:15:28 PM] Martina: we can't
[6:15:29 PM] Martina: ?
[6:15:30 PM] Martina: that's balls
[6:15:40 PM] Sushi Lover: yeah crtl+f doesn't exist on there
[6:15:47 PM] Martina: Anyways the first thing we should do is arrange chatrooms and ideas for chatrooms
[6:15:47 PM] Sushi Lover: you gotta load all the backlog
[6:15:55 PM] Sushi Lover: Yes we should
[6:15:57 PM] Martina: the second is get applications from accepted members on which chatrooms they want
[6:16:04 PM] Martina: like a user can have up to 5 chatrooms total
[6:16:12 PM] Martina: discord, discord 18+ and 3 assorted skype chats
[6:16:24 PM] Martina: then we make a spread sheet and arrange members
[6:16:33 PM] Martina: set up the rooms and stick the moderators in their respective rooms.
[6:16:42 PM] Martina: then arrange embers in the rooms
[6:16:58 PM] Sushi Lover: Can Ursula handle all of this though?
[6:17:06 PM] Sushi Lover: on discord only she can do those things
[6:17:08 PM] Martina: I think another blog mod
[6:17:15 PM] Martina: can send out applications
[6:17:18 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: I'll add more mods
[6:17:18 PM] Martina: actually making the rooms is not hard
[6:17:28 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: On the programs as necessary
[6:17:29 PM] Martina: the hard part is organization
[6:17:35 PM] Martina: You feel me ursula?
[6:17:41 PM] Sushi Lover: no i mean signing out permission for each member and placing them in channels
[6:17:41 PM | Edited 6:18:08 PM] Jay Komaeda: We can split up the work, can't we?
[6:17:55 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: As in as chat mods so they can add or kick as needed
[6:17:57 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: Etc
[6:17:59 PM] Sushi Lover: On discord only the creator can do that
[6:18:09 PM] Sushi Lover: mods can't
[6:18:12 PM] Martina: Yeah but that's not difficult
[6:18:16 PM] Martina: all you have to do is make rooms
[6:18:31 PM] Martina: that takes as long as making a skype chat room
[6:18:36 PM] Martina: people are then free to move around
[6:18:41 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: Martina - Today 6:17 PM
> the hard part is organization
If it's organization im okay
[6:18:56 PM] Martina: Like once the rooms are made which is like a 1 minute task
[6:19:03 PM] Martina: it's up to people on discord to disperse
[6:19:12 PM] Martina: the mods on discord should be per 30 people I think
[6:19:27 PM] Martina: but it should get less the more people join
[6:19:45 PM] Martina: if we have 300 people 10 mods is good but if we end up with like 1000 people for some reason we only really need 25 mods
[6:19:52 PM] Martina: cause there's only so much that can happen
[6:20:29 PM] Martina: and I'm sure there's a way to get applications to arrange themself into a spread sheet
[6:20:33 PM] Martina: I'd just have to look into it
[6:20:42 PM] Martina: and I'm talking about discord
[6:20:44 PM] Martina: with 300 and 1000
[6:20:51 PM] Martina: because of the organization with skype we'll just need more mods on skype by default
[6:21:28 PM] Martina: the 2 per 50 rule
[6:21:32 PM] Martina: and the rooms don't need to fill up
[6:21:36 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: I think Google applications can do that
[6:21:43 PM] Martina: ^ then that makes it easy
[6:21:52 PM] Martina: so like let's say we got 70 people, we'd have two groups of 35 and not 50 and 20
[6:21:58 PM] Martina: it's not like a first come first serve basis
[6:22:19 PM] Martina: and if things start filling up the blog can announce hey we're making a new room, apply if you want to change to the new room
[6:22:33 PM] Martina: and that'll empty out the old rooms a little? so it'll balance out still.
[6:23:05 PM] Martina: and that's pretty much my whole thought piece on how we should arrange things
[6:23:19 PM] Martina: I feel like we could do more than 50 on skype but we SHOULDN'T because of how chaotic it would be.
[6:24:22 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: Ah kk
[6:41:28 PM] Martina: sorry about my monologue
[6:44:34 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: Np!
[6:44:45 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: It's v good info
[6:44:55 PM] Ursa Major Lesbo: And we need experience bc I have none
[6:45:02 PM] Martina: As I said I can lead workshops
[6:45:17 PM] Martina: if you need more moderators have people apply and answer a few questions or something
[6:45:27 PM] Martina: and if you like their responses, use your personal judgement too, I can teach them how to do the do
[6:45:49 PM] Martina: If anyone in the group isn't feeling confident or hasn't moderated before I can give them like general guidelines cause there's a good way to moderate and a bad way to moderate
[6:46:03 PM] Martina: Like my biggest piece of advice is people will treat you differently if you're a moderator
[6:46:09 PM] Martina: people respect power and people will suck up to you
[6:46:54 PM] Martina: so be mindful of that and don't let someone be more of a friend than they actually should be? Like keep just a smidge of a layer of distance with everyone in the chat and if you want to be friends offline from the chat then just don't let that friendship way in in cause they end up doing something dumb and need a punishment
[6:47:04 PM] Martina: Being impartial is the most important thing and sometimes it might be hard
[6:47:11 PM] Martina: but the whole thing falls apart if you can't do that
[6:47:28 PM] Martina: and if you feel like you keep making terrible choices then there's no shame in stepping down because it's not for everybody
[6:47:48 PM] Martina: at the end of the day moderating is a job and I've seen my fair share of people who treat it like a badge of honor and don't end up doing their job properly and things fall apart