Randy Credico on Fred Dicker (12/28/2017)

Supplemental document for: "Theory that Roger Stone's back channel to Wikileaks was Randy Credico", link: https://wakelet.com/wake/2d352ae9-febe-44a1-a7bb-51674a2e4bf5

Randy Credico on Fred Dicker, broadcast on December 28, 2017.

Excerpt runs from 41:38 to 47:16 in the file.

Link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/y2s7p1wyd3rl26t/FSC12282017.mp3

FRED DICKER
I want to find out what the latest is with Randy and his good buddy, Julian Assange and Wikileaks. What's the latest with that subpoena, Randy?

RANDY CREDICO
What's the latest, uuuuh, with that subpoena, subpoena- look, I- I- I think I'm out of it right now, I- they're not interested in me. I think the whole thing was Nunes [Devin Nunes, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, who has done much to sabotage the investigation], who signed that subpoena, really wanted to embarrass the whole committee, by bringing in someone that was just going to be comic relief. And it kindof like blew up in their face, because everyone is saying "What are you- This is going way...too far, where you're getting a guy who's a radio host-", you know, a guy who's g- is a journalist, going after- this is too far, and I think it kindof embarrassed a lot of people that were involv- I- you know, look, I spoke to Michael Isikoff, yesterday, for forty five minutes. He's writing a book- I'm getting a lot of uh uh calls- I ran into Sidney Blumenthal when I was in Washington two weeks ago [sic - he may wish to say Max Blumenthal, Blumenthal fils, whose birthday party he attended, and who wrote a sycophantic and dishonest piece about Credico and his role: "House Intel Committee to Subpoena Leftist Comedian and Civil Rights Activist Randy Credico in Russia Investigation" link: https://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/intel-committee-subpoena-randy-credico-russia-investigation ]. Talked to him about it, so, everyone knows that the whole thing is a complete- there's nothing there. With this whole uuuuuh affiliation, with uh with Russia-gate.

DICKER
I don't know. I had heard, Randy, that the Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee were looking forward to hearing you doing your Andrew Cuomo impersonations down there. That's why they subpoenaed you.

CREDICO
[does Cuomo] I think that's the reason why, Fred. [drops Cuomo] In fact, uh, talking to Isikoff, yesterday, because he had- he had Roger Stone on for a _full hour_, he was saying- I mean, he had-

DICKER
[inaudible] interviewed him?

CREDICO
And I'm watching him talk about everything, and these guys are taking it hook, line, and sinker. Everything that he's saying, right? As if it was a big scoop. You know, Roger's positioning himself, he works these guys - which he does, masterfully -  uuuuuuh uuh you know, three people on "Newsmakers" C-Span ["Newsmakers Roger Stone, Dec 22 2017" link: https://www.c-span.org/video/?438879-1/newsmakers-roger-stone ]. And I tweeted out, I said, "Boy, did he play this group". And then Isikoff sent me an email saying, "How did he play us?" Also, I'm looking at the people who are- who are chronicling all of this, and I say, "My god! If they don't know-" It's the same thing with Jeff Toobin, a few years back, doing some puff piece on Andrew Cuomo, remember that "State of the State", when I came up with Lionel [Michael LeBron]? Well, he did the same thing with Roger Stone [reference to Toobin's profile of Stone, "The Dirty Trickster" link: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/02/080602fa_fact_toobin ], going back to the 2000 Brooks Brother uuuh affair, and he actually believed that Roger was behind the Br- [line cuts out] insurrection, which he had nothing to do with.

DICKER
Yeah, he just made up that story. Like Eliot Spitzer [inaudible, because Credico yells over him]-

CREDICO
HE MADE IT UP. WHO CAN YOU BELIEVE ANY MORE?

DICKER
Socks. On the hooker. [manufactured detail Stone put out about Eliot Spitzer scandal]

CREDICO
Yes. The whole thing. I mean- It's just amazing, how these- these national writers fall for this, and you put in magazines, and people are buying it! So, who do you believe?! I happen to know what happened, he doesn't, and they write about it anyway.

DICKER
It sounds like you're a critic of the fake news media. You know, you sound like President Trump-

CREDICO
Well, it's all fake news, as far as I'm concerned, except for the first five minutes of the Fred Dicker show ["Live from the State Capitol"]. I believe the guy in the newsroom up there. That-

DICKER
All sixty minutes. All sixty minutes of this show- or fifty five minutes are truthful.

CREDICO
The break-in, in Rensselear, I believe that, that's probably true, and that the guy got away with a wallet, and a bottle of- of sour milk. I don't- These stories that come up, I believe it on that level, when I start looking at the national stories, it's hard to really believe.

DICKER
I know. At times, when I've been involved directly in news stories, and even before I became a journalist, way back when, I was involved in some radical activities, so to speak, I remember, just being aware the difference between when you read coverage of something you have direct knowledge of, and what the actual information is, that you have in your mind, oftentimes there's a big gap, it's not even easy, for journalists, at times, to piece it all together, because they know so little of the whole of what's actually taken place.

CREDICO
I know! I'm watching it, Fred, in real time here, everyone from David Cornball [sic], David Corn, from MSNBC, who's writing a book about Russia-gate, and so they're calling me up, want to tie up some loose ends. Now I could tell them a million different lies, or I could tell them the truth, whatever, and they're gonna put that in the book, and it's gonna be gospel. So, if they're doing that with _me_, imagine all the other people that they're interviewing, and so you have to take it all with a grain of salt, whatever the final result is. And I- You could probably say that...about any historical account, including, you know, talk about that- I'm reading a book right now, the best book on the French Revolution, by Thomas Carlyle [either Credico has been re-reading this book, takes a long to read the book, or lies about reading it, because this is one of several times he mentions reading it - a little over a year ago he mentioned on Fred Dicker he was reading it as well. He never gives any details, themes, or anecdotes from the book. Link: https://pastebin.com/ZX9F54hs ], which he wrote way back in 18-

DICKER
1845?

CREDICO
Yes, way back, and he says, "Look, all history-" Basically, what Henry Ford said, that history is bunk. Because you can't believe, you know, the accounts, you know? You're just getting somebody's point of view-

DICKER
[inaudible] self-serving.

CREDICO
-the history of the people in charge. The kings, and all of that. You don't know what's really going on uuuuuh on the ground level, it's hard to find out what's going on. And that's what he was saying. But he wrote a great piece, Thomas- And you and I talk about this, it was uuuuh- the guy with the three- three names. The uh the guy- Bentham's guy, the- Bentham's guy- What's his name?

DICKER
Jeremy Bentham?

CREDICO
Yeah. His disciple there, the Scottish- utilitarian.

DICKER
Economist. Sociologist.

CREDICO
Mill. John Stuart Mill! He's the one who commissioned him, to write the book, and then Stuart Mill, you know what he did? He took the first draft and had it on his desk, and his maid thought it was kindling, and threw it in the fire [Credico has told this story many times before, including three months earlier on Dicker's show: https://pastebin.com/ELRz7G0d ].

DICKER
That's a famous story.