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  1. [13:13:21] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue"><b>The UU teambuilding workshop is starting now</b></div>
  2. [13:13:26] |raw|<div class="broadcast-red"><b>Moderated chat was set to +!</b><br />Only users of rank + and higher can talk.</div>
  3. [13:13:40] #IronBullet: okay hey everyone
  4. [13:13:57] +Truth: K-konichiwa
  5. [13:14:00] #IronBullet: dodmen, eyan, truth and myself will be building uu teams for a couple of hours using some predetermined cores :)
  6. [13:14:38] #IronBullet: so lets start off with one of the offensive cores?
  7. [13:14:44] %dodmen: ya
  8. [13:14:47] @Eyan: yh
  9. [13:14:50] +Truth: Aye sir
  10. [13:15:01] #IronBullet: np mega doom + sd croak
  11. [13:15:15] %dodmen: sounds good
  12. [13:15:44] %dodmen: so croak can switch in early game to water types and threaten fairies off the bat
  13. [13:15:53] %dodmen: and deal with p2 snorlax
  14. [13:16:17] #IronBullet: yeah while doom has an easy switch in on things that check croak like chandelure and doublade
  15. [13:16:19] %dodmen: houndoom helps croak with doublade mainly
  16. [13:16:21] %dodmen: and yea
  17. [13:16:28] %dodmen: so what sets do you think we should start wiht?
  18. [13:16:39] %dodmen: like 4th moveslots basically
  19. [13:16:50] +Truth: Well Protect / NP Doom sounds good
  20. [13:16:54] @Eyan: I typically like going for protect on mega houndoom yeah
  21. [13:17:03] #IronBullet: yeah i would say drain punch / sucker punch on croak is standard
  22. [13:17:13] %dodmen: protect is cool, taunt is another option that prevents p2 from firing off twaves
  23. [13:17:23] %dodmen: and florges from recovering etc
  24. [13:17:31] #IronBullet: yeah both protect and taunt are great
  25. [13:17:34] +Truth: Well we can always change it later on
  26. [13:17:38] %dodmen: typically these types of teams hate switching into twave from p2
  27. [13:17:40] +Truth: Depending on how the team goes
  28. [13:17:43] %dodmen: ya that's something we can come back to
  29. [13:18:02] +Truth: But basically we're set w/ SD, Gunk, Drain, Sucker Croak right?
  30. [13:18:05] @Eyan: yeah
  31. [13:18:08] %dodmen: yea pretty much
  32. [13:18:09] #IronBullet: okay so 4th moveslot for doom is undecided right now
  33. [13:18:13] #IronBullet: yeah that croak sounds good
  34. [13:18:35] +Truth: Adamant or Jolly? I'd say Jolly so we don't become suddenly really weak to Mamo and such but just wanted to make sure
  35. [13:18:46] %dodmen: yeah jolly is better
  36. [13:18:56] %dodmen: helps you with sd gatr mamo and hera
  37. [13:19:28] #IronBullet: yeah jolly is good
  38. [13:19:44] +Truth: OK so let's see
  39. [13:20:04] +Truth: Ground weakness stands out to me atm
  40. [13:20:07] @Eyan: mega aero is a huge threat to the core right now too
  41. [13:20:10] #IronBullet: okay so we can either deal with offensive synergy now or cover the core defensively type wise because ground is pretty threatening
  42. [13:20:11] %dodmen: yeah
  43. [13:20:18] #IronBullet: yeah mega aero too
  44. [13:21:05] %dodmen: so to check aero there's a couple options but most don't help with the weakness to ground
  45. [13:21:16] +Truth: Do you wanna try to compress Aero check + Ground resist in one Poke or seperate?
  46. [13:21:32] +Truth: I'd say we separate since the list is p limited there
  47. [13:21:34] %dodmen: it's hard to do
  48. [13:21:47] #IronBullet: yeah thats tricky
  49. [13:22:01] #IronBullet: something like swampert makes a decent aero check and can set up sr to support the core
  50. [13:22:09] %dodmen: swampert is an option yeah
  51. [13:22:20] #IronBullet: theres shuca empoleon too
  52. [13:22:21] +Truth: If we went Swampert it'd probably go from offense to balance though
  53. [13:22:26] %dodmen: and it also gives an actual switch into doublade p2 and lax
  54. [13:22:30] #IronBullet: but it doesnt help the ground weak
  55. [13:22:37] #IronBullet: that doesnt matter truth
  56. [13:22:42] +Truth: Ah ok
  57. [13:22:43] #IronBullet: it doesnt specifically have to be a pure offense team
  58. [13:22:55] #IronBullet: also teams like koko's hazard stacking offense still had pokemon like sableye and pert too
  59. [13:23:01] %dodmen: yea
  60. [13:23:04] #IronBullet: swampert isnt really a momentum sucking pokemon anyway
  61. [13:23:15] #IronBullet: since it has roar and sr
  62. [13:23:28] %dodmen: ok swampert gives us a bunch of things i like
  63. [13:23:31] +Truth: Nah it isn't by any means, just tends to fall off whenever I put Swamp on my teams lol
  64. [13:24:00] +Truth: If we put Swampert we could just add Florges to help with Dragon resist and Fighting resist
  65. [13:24:14] #IronBullet: actually i was thinking about a fairy but not florges, whimsi
  66. [13:24:19] +Truth: Ah
  67. [13:24:34] @Eyan: whimsicott is also nice because u turn helps to bring one of our offense mons in safely
  68. [13:24:40] #IronBullet: whimsi can use u turn to get one of the core mons in safely
  69. [13:24:41] @Eyan: mainly mega houndoom here
  70. [13:24:41] %dodmen: hmm
  71. [13:24:41] +Truth: Also gives us Ground resist
  72. [13:24:42] #IronBullet: yeah exactly
  73. [13:24:46] +Truth: Defensive or offensive though?
  74. [13:25:00] #IronBullet: defensive because we need a nice fight resist
  75. [13:25:03] +Truth: As is, we kinda need it to have longevity to check some of the stuff
  76. [13:25:16] +Truth: So yeah I was thinking defensive
  77. [13:25:20] #IronBullet: but we can make it fast enough for certain things
  78. [13:25:21] %dodmen: ok defensive sounds nice
  79. [13:25:28] #IronBullet: i think faster than mence is kinda mandatory now
  80. [13:25:30] +Truth: Have enough Speed for Jolly Hera then?
  81. [13:25:30] %dodmen: i'd say outspeed mence at least thoug hhoneslty
  82. [13:25:31] %dodmen: yeah
  83. [13:25:34] #IronBullet: seeing as defog mence is so popular
  84. [13:25:48] #IronBullet: so thats 128+
  85. [13:25:54] %dodmen: ok
  86. [13:25:56] #IronBullet: could go faster for lo mienshao who could be a problem
  87. [13:26:00] %dodmen: rest in hp and defense then
  88. [13:26:36] #IronBullet: yeah rest in hp and defense
  89. [13:26:58] %dodmen: moonblast uturn encore and what's in the last slot
  90. [13:27:00] +Truth: So what's in the 4th slot
  91. [13:27:01] #IronBullet: u turn moonblast encore is needed
  92. [13:27:05] #IronBullet: giga or stun spore
  93. [13:27:15] %dodmen: well crobat is a pretty big weak right now
  94. [13:27:15] +Truth: I think Stun is probs better here
  95. [13:27:17] #IronBullet: toxicroak beats up most waters so giga isnt too big a need
  96. [13:27:18] %dodmen: i think luring it with stun spore
  97. [13:27:20] %dodmen: could help
  98. [13:27:24] +Truth: Helps w/ Crobat, Aero
  99. [13:27:25] +Truth: etc
  100. [13:27:29] #IronBullet: yeah makes sense
  101. [13:28:05] #IronBullet: okay so the ev spread for whimsi is 248 hp / 132 defense / 128 speed timid
  102. [13:28:18] %dodmen: ya
  103. [13:28:21] +Truth: Now we need a fly resist and entry hazard removal
  104. [13:28:22] #IronBullet: and for pert it is 240 hp / 252 def / 16 sp def with scald / eq / sr / roar
  105. [13:28:35] %dodmen: yup
  106. [13:29:22] +Truth: We __could__ add Empoleon here o.o offensive Emp that is
  107. [13:29:31] %dodmen: i was actually thinking empoleon too
  108. [13:29:33] #IronBullet: swampert / toxicroak / whimsi / doom
  109. [13:29:39] %dodmen: cause as it is nothing wants to actually switch into bad
  110. [13:29:40] %dodmen: bat
  111. [13:29:47] +Truth: Yeah
  112. [13:30:01] #IronBullet: hm emp could work but we will badly need to patch up the ground weak in the last slot
  113. [13:30:02] %dodmen: but i dunno
  114. [13:30:03] +Truth: Swamp just gets worn down too easily since it's also our main Entei switch in too
  115. [13:30:08] #IronBullet: what other options do we have for hazard removal
  116. [13:30:21] %dodmen: there's tenta but that doesn't help
  117. [13:30:29] #IronBullet: nah not tenta
  118. [13:30:31] %dodmen: i guess defog mence?
  119. [13:30:33] %dodmen: could help
  120. [13:30:35] #IronBullet: as much as i love it haha
  121. [13:30:37] @Eyan: mence wouldn't be too bad, but we'd need somthing to switch into moonblast
  122. [13:30:40] #IronBullet: yeah defog mence is pretty cool
  123. [13:30:41] @Eyan: from like florges
  124. [13:30:49] #IronBullet: could just stick in doublade last slot
  125. [13:30:53] #IronBullet: another fight resist too
  126. [13:31:08] #IronBullet: actually no we dont have an rk
  127. [13:31:13] #IronBullet: doom is fast i guess but not that fast
  128. [13:31:18] %dodmen: yeah we need some speed
  129. [13:31:47] +Truth: So what's confirmed in so far?
  130. [13:31:59] %dodmen: houndoom/croak/swamp/whims
  131. [13:32:04] +Truth: Ah ok
  132. [13:32:35] %dodmen: i really think mence fits well
  133. [13:32:37] +Truth: Well, in terms of Speed Salamence is one of the faster entry hazard removers in the tier and it does provide us some good stuff
  134. [13:32:43] +Truth: So I think we should rly put it in
  135. [13:33:06] %dodmen: and a steel type is kinda wanted in the last slot
  136. [13:33:10] #IronBullet: yeah i agree with mence
  137. [13:33:12] +Truth: So it just comes down to final slot
  138. [13:33:18] #IronBullet: definitely need a steel or rock type in the last slot with speed
  139. [13:33:46] %dodmen: so there's cobalion
  140. [13:33:52] +Truth: Doesn't resist Flying
  141. [13:33:57] +Truth: So I don't think we should add it
  142. [13:34:13] %dodmen: i mean no fast steel types resist flying
  143. [13:34:15] #IronBullet: are flying types too much of an issue right now?
  144. [13:34:27] %dodmen: ya they're not too bad
  145. [13:34:32] #IronBullet: swampert deals with aero, crobat with a combination of pert + mence
  146. [13:34:36] +Truth: Well, no resists means Aero kinda just has its way after a couple times of Swamp coming in
  147. [13:34:47] %dodmen: coba can take hits from aero and crobat
  148. [13:34:54] %dodmen: and actually we could run a double dance
  149. [13:34:56] #IronBullet: coba isnt 2hkoed by anything but eq from aero
  150. [13:35:04] +Truth: Double dance o.O
  151. [13:35:06] #IronBullet: could even go with scarf coba but ive never used that lol
  152. [13:35:12] %dodmen: ehh
  153. [13:35:13] +Truth: I-I've used that
  154. [13:35:14] @Eyan: lol scarfed cobalion
  155. [13:35:15] +Josh: scarf coba is really underwhelming
  156. [13:35:19] +Truth: It's not too great though
  157. [13:35:21] %dodmen: yeah heh
  158. [13:35:22] #IronBullet: ah ok
  159. [13:35:32] +Truth: It's pretty specific in what it brought to the team I used it in
  160. [13:35:33] %dodmen: double dance with shuca would make sure you check aero endgame
  161. [13:35:35] +Truth: No need to resort to it here
  162. [13:35:43] #IronBullet: i have an idea instead of whimsi
  163. [13:35:50] #IronBullet: since coba makes an ideal hydrei check
  164. [13:35:55] %dodmen: ah
  165. [13:35:57] #IronBullet: we could go with a scarf hw shaymin?
  166. [13:36:01] %dodmen: ok yeah
  167. [13:36:05] %dodmen: that sounds great
  168. [13:36:21] #IronBullet: i havent used that either but ive seen it used pretty effectively
  169. [13:36:32] #IronBullet: and hw is obviously great for double dance coba / sd croak / np doom
  170. [13:36:35] +Truth: Yeah that sounds cool
  171. [13:36:45] +Truth: We just need Psychic on that thing though lol
  172. [13:36:47] #IronBullet: not many will survive a second onslaught from any of those guys
  173. [13:36:52] %dodmen: psychic sounds good
  174. [13:36:53] +Truth: Screw Crobat
  175. [13:36:59] #IronBullet: yeah okay lol
  176. [13:36:59] %dodmen: and possibly gleam
  177. [13:37:04] #IronBullet: seed flare / psychic / gleam
  178. [13:37:07] %dodmen: yeah
  179. [13:37:12] %dodmen: luring scarf hydrei
  180. [13:37:14] %dodmen: with gleam
  181. [13:37:18] %dodmen: would be amazing for doom and croak
  182. [13:37:21] #IronBullet: yeah nice scarf hydrei is always a pain
  183. [13:37:28] +Truth: Would be amazing to lure Hydrei for the whole team tbh
  184. [13:37:29] #IronBullet: but anyway scarf hydrei is setup bait for coba
  185. [13:37:42] +Truth: Unless locking into FBlast rip
  186. [13:37:45] #IronBullet: that kinda actually means that we dont need protect on doom
  187. [13:37:50] #IronBullet: since if it uses draco its pretty much gg
  188. [13:37:52] %dodmen: taunt :o
  189. [13:37:58] +Truth: :o
  190. [13:38:02] #IronBullet: yeah taunt n_n
  191. [13:38:14] +Truth: Yeah taunt looks good since Twave just looks annoying
  192. [13:38:24] +Truth: Houndoom sets up on Cress now yay
  193. [13:38:26] #IronBullet: yeah
  194. [13:38:27] %dodmen: ok yeah the shaymin idea was a great one
  195. [13:38:43] #IronBullet: whatre the evs for that?
  196. [13:38:46] #IronBullet: just max / max timid?
  197. [13:38:49] %dodmen: yeah
  198. [13:38:50] +Truth: Yeah
  199. [13:38:53] #IronBullet: and for cobalion max / max jolly
  200. [13:38:56] %dodmen: i mean modest /could/ work
  201. [13:39:02] %dodmen: yeah coba must run max jolly
  202. [13:39:06] #IronBullet: nah i think outspeeding scarf hydrei is needed
  203. [13:39:09] %dodmen: oh right
  204. [13:39:10] %dodmen: yeah
  205. [13:39:13] +Truth: I don't think the power difference would be too big and outspeeding scarf drei is cool
  206. [13:39:27] #IronBullet: has anyone built the team in teambuilder?
  207. [13:39:31] #IronBullet: if not ill do it quickly
  208. [13:39:31] +Truth: <
  209. [13:39:34] %dodmen: almost done with it
  210. [13:39:35] #IronBullet: okay cool
  211. [13:39:37] #IronBullet: haha aite
  212. [13:39:50] +Truth: Should I pastebin it?
  213. [13:39:50] #IronBullet: just link it here once done
  214. [13:39:53] #IronBullet: yes please
  215. [13:39:54] +Truth: Roger
  216. [13:40:02] #IronBullet: lets just see how it matches up vs some threats now
  217. [13:40:25] %dodmen: oh, what item are we running on cobalion
  218. [13:40:26] +Truth: http://pastebin.com/KS094PTE
  219. [13:40:30] #IronBullet: oh coba is also a nice moth check
  220. [13:40:32] +Truth: Shuca right?
  221. [13:40:36] %dodmen: shuca
  222. [13:40:37] #IronBullet: shuca or lum?
  223. [13:40:42] +Truth: Oh fuck I had Ada on coba
  224. [13:40:44] %dodmen: life orb is a thing too :o
  225. [13:40:46] %dodmen: it's super powerful
  226. [13:40:57] #IronBullet: fair enough :o
  227. [13:41:06] #IronBullet: dont mind ill leave that up to you guys
  228. [13:41:10] %dodmen: kk
  229. [13:41:13] #IronBullet: although life orb kinda affects its great bulk
  230. [13:41:16] +Truth: http://pastebin.com/mKhAnyAS
  231. [13:41:21] #IronBullet: like it can survive a lot of things at full health
  232. [13:41:25] +Truth: Sorry fixed that stuff
  233. [13:41:28] @Eyan: don't really advice life orb here
  234. [13:41:32] +Truth: I'd say we need Coba's longevity
  235. [13:41:35] +Truth: For Hydrei
  236. [13:41:36] @Eyan: fine with w/e other items
  237. [13:41:45] #IronBullet: ah good point truth
  238. [13:41:46] +Truth: Leftovers / Shuca work well
  239. [13:41:49] #IronBullet: shuca or lum then?
  240. [13:41:51] #IronBullet: yeah even lefties
  241. [13:41:52] %dodmen: alright fair enough
  242. [13:41:53] +Truth: Lum too
  243. [13:42:02] +Truth: Honestly it's probs preference at this point lol
  244. [13:42:08] +Truth: I'm putting shuca for Mamo though
  245. [13:42:17] %dodmen: sounds solid
  246. [13:42:19] +Truth: Also helps vs EQ MAero
  247. [13:42:20] #IronBullet: theres always the point about fat teams
  248. [13:42:21] +Truth: Which is a pain
  249. [13:42:22] %dodmen: helps setup on aero too yeah
  250. [13:42:25] #IronBullet: yeah mamo is a pain always
  251. [13:42:30] #IronBullet: fair enough shuca sounds good
  252. [13:42:40] +Truth: F-fat teams
  253. [13:42:43] +Truth: /me shakes head
  254. [13:42:45] #IronBullet: just glancing through the viability ranks
  255. [13:43:23] #IronBullet: hm no fairy resist
  256. [13:43:28] #IronBullet: specs whimsi o.o
  257. [13:43:31] %dodmen: oh
  258. [13:43:35] %dodmen: no fairy resist sucks
  259. [13:43:38] #IronBullet: yeah :(
  260. [13:43:39] @Eyan: I was thinkign about that
  261. [13:43:56] +Truth: ...and back to the drawing board
  262. [13:44:02] @Eyan: both our fairy checks don't appreciate a moonblast
  263. [13:44:09] #IronBullet: could just toss mence and go with crobat
  264. [13:44:25] %dodmen: hmm
  265. [13:44:29] %dodmen: yeah i forgot about crobat
  266. [13:44:31] +Truth: Idk I feel the earlier suggestion of Doublade > Cobalion could really work here
  267. [13:44:36] #IronBullet: more solid fight resist too
  268. [13:44:36] +Truth: Priority somewhat makes up for Speed
  269. [13:44:39] #IronBullet: yeah that could work too
  270. [13:44:45] +Truth: But yeah Crobat > Mence also works
  271. [13:44:51] #IronBullet: and doublade kinda ensures we dont lose to reuni if doom goes down
  272. [13:45:09] +Truth: Doublade's also a good switch into Cress
  273. [13:45:11] #IronBullet: i think doublade over coba sounds more solid
  274. [13:45:14] %dodmen: ok that's fine
  275. [13:45:24] %dodmen: it'd also stop slurpff from sweeping if it sets up on mence or something
  276. [13:45:28] @Eyan: yeah since we're running scarfed shaymin now, we've got the speed
  277. [13:45:39] +Truth: RIP Dual Dance Cobalion
  278. [13:45:42] +Truth: The innovation
  279. [13:45:44] #IronBullet: ahh mamo becomes more of a pain though and hydrei too
  280. [13:45:44] @Eyan: earlier on whimsicott was really the only thing stopping slurpuff
  281. [13:45:52] #IronBullet: oh yeah puff totally forgot
  282. [13:45:56] +Truth: Oh fuck I forgot about Mamo and hydrei
  283. [13:46:11] #IronBullet: okay well forget mamo i guess its always a pain and can be played around
  284. [13:46:14] #IronBullet: but hydrei is pretty big
  285. [13:46:15] %dodmen: i like the crobat idea
  286. [13:46:21] #IronBullet: you like crobat?
  287. [13:46:25] %dodmen: over mence yea
  288. [13:46:26] #IronBullet: yeah dont mind that either
  289. [13:46:28] @Eyan: crobat sounds good
  290. [13:46:40] #IronBullet: puff is still there though
  291. [13:46:43] +Truth: I actually also just thought of something lol
  292. [13:47:01] #IronBullet: to be fair though what is puff setting up on
  293. [13:47:06] %dodmen: yeah slurpuff can't set up
  294. [13:47:07] %dodmen: on anything
  295. [13:47:18] %dodmen: unlss fire blast miss from doom xd
  296. [13:47:18] +Truth: Yache Whims > Shaymin, then have Doublade > Cobalion, then keep mence
  297. [13:47:23] #IronBullet: nah taunt it dod xD
  298. [13:47:24] +Truth: Another option we could do
  299. [13:47:27] %dodmen: oh yeah
  300. [13:47:37] #IronBullet: but then we lose the speed
  301. [13:47:42] #IronBullet: and no rk
  302. [13:47:43] %dodmen: i really like scarf shaymin here idt we should replace it
  303. [13:47:50] #IronBullet: yeah hw shaymin is so clutch
  304. [13:48:00] +Truth: Ik just suggestion another route in case
  305. [13:48:08] #IronBullet: fair enough
  306. [13:48:16] #IronBullet: not too sure of sky plate bat evs?
  307. [13:48:19] +Truth: So are we going Acrobat
  308. [13:48:24] +Truth: Or Sky Plate
  309. [13:48:27] @Eyan: sky plate imo
  310. [13:48:44] #IronBullet: crobat in this meta needs the power i think
  311. [13:48:45] +Truth: Typically I tend to run Max Max Jolly on Sky PLate bat since I want to smack other bats alongside ada bee and modest scept
  312. [13:48:46] @Eyan: we don't exactly lack a proper knock off switch in
  313. [13:48:49] #IronBullet: 2hkos coba doesnt it
  314. [13:48:50] %dodmen: yeah strong crobat is best
  315. [13:49:06] +Truth: Unless someone else has cool EVs
  316. [13:49:19] %dodmen: i've been enjoying max speed on bat
  317. [13:49:25] %dodmen: you outspeed adamant beedrill
  318. [13:49:25] +Truth: Likewise
  319. [13:49:33] #IronBullet: yeah max speed is nice
  320. [13:49:43] #IronBullet: okay max attack doesnt 2hko coba anyway so we can go a bit less
  321. [13:50:03] %dodmen: hmm
  322. [13:50:14] +Truth: Time to bring out le old calc
  323. [13:50:33] %dodmen: max attack sky plate doesn't 2hko? :o
  324. [13:50:51] +Truth: It has a 30% chance
  325. [13:51:03] +Truth: 69% with Rocks up
  326. [13:51:08] +Truth: I somewhat like those odds tbh
  327. [13:51:09] %dodmen: hmm
  328. [13:51:19] %dodmen: idk what else EVs to run honestly
  329. [13:51:46] +Truth: Yeah same here, I'm not really aware of any benchmarks Crobat needs to hit otherwise
  330. [13:52:11] #IronBullet: i like some hp evs for better switching into bee, hera etc
  331. [13:53:22] +Truth: Hm..
  332. [13:53:33] %dodmen: ok
  333. [13:53:39] %dodmen: so 188 attack is guaranteed to ohko hoopa after rocks
  334. [13:53:44] %dodmen: so i guess that's something lol?
  335. [13:54:10] +Truth: lol
  336. [13:54:25] #IronBullet: lol thats always nice
  337. [13:54:30] #IronBullet: ah having a dark type is lovely
  338. [13:54:35] #IronBullet: dont care about hoopa
  339. [13:54:59] #IronBullet: our whole team kinda murders hoopa lol
  340. [13:55:09] %dodmen: true, idk what else to calc for honestl ythough lol
  341. [13:55:19] #IronBullet: yeah no thats fair
  342. [13:55:24] #IronBullet: how much hp does that leave
  343. [13:55:24] %dodmen: you never 2hko krook :(
  344. [13:55:25] #IronBullet: 68?
  345. [13:55:32] %dodmen: yeah
  346. [13:56:03] #IronBullet: cool i guess :o
  347. [13:56:11] +Truth: Interestingly enough
  348. [13:56:14] #IronBullet: people can fiddle with hp / attack as they wish really
  349. [13:56:32] %dodmen: yea
  350. [13:56:38] +Truth: Actually nvm
  351. [13:56:41] @Eyan: all the teams here are just preliminary versions
  352. [13:56:56] @Eyan: they don't have to be perfect for the most part
  353. [13:57:00] +Truth: Yeah they can probably mess around with those EVs however they want
  354. [13:57:00] %dodmen: 188 attack EVs also has a 70% chance to 2hko rd pert :o
  355. [13:57:09] @Eyan: oh cool
  356. [13:57:13] @Eyan: that works
  357. [13:57:14] +Truth: I'll just put 252 Attack then or 188?
  358. [13:57:23] %dodmen: 188
  359. [13:57:37] +Truth: Oh
  360. [13:57:48] +Truth: HP also makes us avoid OHKO from Krook's CB Knock Off
  361. [13:58:29] %dodmen: http://pastebin.com/U7nWrzDB alright here's what ihave for the first team
  362. [13:58:31] +Truth: http://pastebin.com/wbnqfvha - here's how it looks now
  363. [13:58:46] %dodmen: also be back in 5 mins again sry
  364. [13:59:00] @Eyan: np
  365. [13:59:08] +Truth: So are we all satisfied w/ how it is atm or?
  366. [13:59:22] #IronBullet: okay yeah that looks great!
  367. [13:59:38] @Eyan: yeah
  368. [13:59:45] +Truth: We spent too long on them Crobat EVs :(
  369. [13:59:54] #IronBullet: balanced team next? seeing as this turned out very offensive
  370. [13:59:58] +Truth: Aye
  371. [13:59:59] @Eyan: let's move a little quicker
  372. [14:25:13] NEW CHATROOM: ratemyteam
  373. [14:28:47] +Truth: Setbacks
  374. [14:35:44] @Eyan: alright, so sorry about that crash, nothing we can do about it
  375. [14:35:53] @Eyan: so we'll probably continue now
  376. [14:35:56] %dodmen: alright
  377. [14:35:59] %dodmen: so
  378. [14:36:17] %dodmen: http://pastebin.com/U7nWrzDB here's the firs tteam we made around mega houndoom and toxicroak
  379. [14:36:29] %dodmen: now we're going to move onto a more defensive team, starring curse mega swampert
  380. [14:36:41] +Truth: Oh we're going into that already?
  381. [14:36:47] %dodmen: ya
  382. [14:37:00] %dodmen: curse mega pert is super hard to take down once it gets a few boosts, and its got some amazing spdef to check attackers like chandelure
  383. [14:37:16] +Truth: Set's Ice Punch, EQ, Curse, Rest right?
  384. [14:37:26] %dodmen: it's especially nice because you can't trick it your scarf or other choice item
  385. [14:37:35] %dodmen: and well, curse eq and rest are necessary
  386. [14:37:40] %dodmen: but the last slot can be ice punch or scald
  387. [14:37:50] @Eyan: i think ice punch is the best fit normally, but we could always get back t it
  388. [14:37:51] +Truth: Ah ok
  389. [14:38:00] %dodmen: ice punch obviously helps against flying and dragons, especially salamence and hydrei
  390. [14:38:01] +Truth: Sorry just wanna confirm IB you there?
  391. [14:38:10] @Eyan: he said he'd be here in a bit
  392. [14:38:13] +Truth: Ah ok
  393. [14:38:47] @Eyan: something that I feel that would work very well with curse mega pert is cm florges, just to get things going
  394. [14:38:49] @Eyan: what do you guys think
  395. [14:38:51] %dodmen: and i like ice punc htoo cause you can weaken grass types early game
  396. [14:38:58] %dodmen: hm how so?
  397. [14:40:00] @Eyan: mega pert, esp a bulky variant like this can typically soak up whatever threatens florges
  398. [14:40:00] %dodmen: florges does check LO hydreigon which pert can struggle with, especially if he has taunt
  399. [14:40:11] @Eyan: and florges obviously helps with aroma
  400. [14:40:32] @Eyan: so it doesn't always have to burn those sleep turns on being forced out
  401. [14:40:34] %dodmen: yeah
  402. [14:40:37] #IronBullet: okay back
  403. [14:40:39] %dodmen: aroma is really really helpful
  404. [14:40:53] #IronBullet: so you guys saying cm florges?
  405. [14:40:53] +Truth: Yeah CurseMegaPert definitely needs Aroma
  406. [14:41:15] %dodmen: yeah we're thinkin
  407. [14:41:19] %dodmen: florges + curse pert
  408. [14:41:23] #IronBullet: sounds cool
  409. [14:41:28] #IronBullet: florges has to be max max bold
  410. [14:41:32] %dodmen: yeah
  411. [14:41:52] #IronBullet: and pert is max max careful?
  412. [14:41:56] %dodmen: yup
  413. [14:41:56] #IronBullet: unless we're running scald not ip
  414. [14:42:05] +Truth: Yeah we're putting IP for now
  415. [14:42:22] +Truth: Hm, I feel like at this point Forretress is nice
  416. [14:42:40] @Eyan: or even bronzong really
  417. [14:42:43] +Truth: Quad resists Shaymin's seed flare, which can break us otherwise, sets entry hazards, removes entry hazards
  418. [14:42:46] #IronBullet: ok cool
  419. [14:42:51] @Eyan: if we're not gonna compress spin + rocks
  420. [14:42:53] %dodmen: hm i like that
  421. [14:43:07] #IronBullet: forry sounds decent
  422. [14:43:21] @Eyan: alright
  423. [14:43:22] +Truth: I mean we could have Rocks somewhere else but
  424. [14:43:23] #IronBullet: we definitely need a catch-all speedy mon
  425. [14:43:28] +Truth: Forry in general sounds good w/ the squad
  426. [14:43:33] #IronBullet: lets not compress rocks onto forry i think
  427. [14:43:43] +Truth: I like the sound of spikes atm though
  428. [14:43:46] #IronBullet: keep spikes
  429. [14:43:54] @Eyan: spikes is fine yeah
  430. [14:43:54] #IronBullet: spin is necessary but forrys hazards should be a luxury
  431. [14:43:59] #IronBullet: sr is necessity
  432. [14:44:03] #IronBullet: ok cool
  433. [14:44:24] #IronBullet: hm lot of problems still
  434. [14:44:35] #IronBullet: gatr / hoopa / heracross
  435. [14:45:11] +Truth: Hm, we could add in Umbreon for Gatr + Hoopa
  436. [14:45:17] @Eyan: what evs are we going for in terms of forretress
  437. [14:45:22] @Eyan: just hp and def?
  438. [14:46:07] %dodmen: yeah max defense probably
  439. [14:46:12] @Eyan: alright
  440. [14:46:21] #IronBullet: yeah umby sounds very nice
  441. [14:46:22] #IronBullet: or mandi
  442. [14:46:30] #IronBullet: mandi can use knock off
  443. [14:46:47] #IronBullet: and we need a ground resist
  444. [14:47:01] %dodmen: hmmm
  445. [14:47:13] %dodmen: i like mandibuzz
  446. [14:47:14] %dodmen: here
  447. [14:47:24] @Eyan: mandibuzz sounds very solid
  448. [14:47:32] %dodmen: adds a better rose check
  449. [14:47:40] %dodmen: and shaymin
  450. [14:48:03] #IronBullet: we're making your team based lord christo
  451. [14:48:15] #IronBullet: definitely need a catch all threat now do you think?
  452. [14:48:18] %dodmen: lol
  453. [14:48:23] %dodmen: yeah wish we could use aero :L
  454. [14:48:27] #IronBullet: yeah haha
  455. [14:48:34] +Truth: rip no aero
  456. [14:48:35] #IronBullet: but that would actually make it christo's team
  457. [14:48:35] %dodmen: hmm what else is there
  458. [14:48:39] %Based Lord Christo: can i get a pastebin?
  459. [14:48:45] +Truth: So with regards to the mandi set
  460. [14:48:49] +Truth: What is it?
  461. [14:48:59] #IronBullet: christo its forry / mandi / florges / curse mega pert
  462. [14:49:01] %dodmen: so i don't think we need defog
  463. [14:49:06] #IronBullet: knock off toxic taunt roost
  464. [14:49:09] %dodmen: yep
  465. [14:49:16] +Truth: Hm...
  466. [14:49:25] +Truth: Don't we need Foul Play though for Gatr?
  467. [14:49:32] %Based Lord Christo: hmm
  468. [14:49:35] %dodmen: well krook can /kind of/
  469. [14:49:40] %Based Lord Christo: this is very similar to my rmt
  470. [14:49:42] %dodmen: check a bunch of stuff
  471. [14:50:07] #IronBullet: we could use tangrowth for gatr
  472. [14:50:07] %dodmen: wait you know what'd actually be great
  473. [14:50:08] +Truth: I feel like we need something for Suicune beforehand though
  474. [14:50:16] +Truth: That isn't Mandibuzz
  475. [14:50:19] %dodmen: weird suggestion maybe but resttalk hera
  476. [14:50:22] #IronBullet: or something which is pretty uncommon, how about virizion
  477. [14:50:42] %Based Lord Christo: i think virizion could work since its much needed speed
  478. [14:50:54] %dodmen: hm
  479. [14:50:59] %dodmen: what's virizion's purpose?
  480. [14:51:04] #IronBullet: check waters
  481. [14:51:06] %Based Lord Christo: water check i suppose
  482. [14:51:17] #IronBullet: and a speedy enough threat to check what we need
  483. [14:51:36] %Based Lord Christo: could go SR pert mega aero and roserade :p
  484. [14:51:41] #IronBullet: just a suggestion
  485. [14:51:41] +Truth: Hm, DD Gatr still seems pretty scary though
  486. [14:51:43] %dodmen: what do you guys think about resttalk hera
  487. [14:51:49] %dodmen: it's a perfect ulky water check
  488. [14:51:53] #IronBullet: lol unfortunately we based the team around mega pert christo :P
  489. [14:51:58] #IronBullet: dont mind hera either
  490. [14:52:00] %dodmen: and super duper underrated
  491. [14:52:07] +Truth: Don't rly mind hera
  492. [14:52:14] #IronBullet: but we would definitely need something fast, and a water resist
  493. [14:52:26] %Based Lord Christo: yeah the next slot needs to revenge kill
  494. [14:52:45] %dodmen: well there's always scarf hydrei but
  495. [14:52:49] %dodmen: that kinda makes it fairy weak
  496. [14:53:02] #IronBullet: yea true
  497. [14:53:05] #IronBullet: crobat again anyone
  498. [14:53:08] +Truth: Wait so uh IB we're going mixed def mandi right?
  499. [14:53:11] %dodmen: lol
  500. [14:53:17] #IronBullet: crobat actually fits very nicely
  501. [14:53:28] #IronBullet: dunno about mandi
  502. [14:53:41] %Based Lord Christo: we need to keep in mind rest talk hera will not beat something like cune
  503. [14:53:48] #IronBullet: if hera is sp def we could go physically defensive mandi
  504. [14:53:49] %Based Lord Christo: which can auto win as of now
  505. [14:53:54] #IronBullet: honestly i stil think virizion might be better over hera
  506. [14:54:11] %Based Lord Christo: is it wish or CM florges?
  507. [14:54:13] #IronBullet: cm
  508. [14:54:49] #IronBullet: something we could do is even go with stallbreaker virizion and replace mandi with foul play umbreon
  509. [14:54:57] +Truth: Umbreon :D
  510. [14:55:00] #IronBullet: so thats gatr taken care of
  511. [14:55:07] %Based Lord Christo: something like taunt toxic synthesis viriz?
  512. [14:55:11] #IronBullet: yeah exactly that
  513. [14:55:14] %Based Lord Christo: love it
  514. [14:55:15] #IronBullet: someone posted it in creative sets
  515. [14:55:18] +Truth: So uh
  516. [14:55:24] %dodmen: ooh stallbreaker viri
  517. [14:55:24] %dodmen: z
  518. [14:55:31] +Truth: I added in Sucker Punch Umbreon for Hoopa unless someone wants me to put sth else in there
  519. [14:55:47] +Truth: I've seen it put some legitimate work on Hoopa
  520. [14:55:50] +Truth: And Azelf
  521. [14:56:03] %dodmen: hm that's
  522. [14:56:06] %dodmen: interesting lol
  523. [14:56:12] #IronBullet: i dont really know about that
  524. [14:56:12] %Based Lord Christo: i guess heal bell isnt needed since flor ha
  525. [14:56:23] #IronBullet: to be fair 4th slot is up for grabs since we have aroma
  526. [14:56:23] #IronBullet: yea
  527. [14:56:34] #IronBullet: sucker punch, knock off
  528. [14:56:37] #IronBullet: toxic
  529. [14:56:43] #IronBullet: baton pass even
  530. [14:56:47] +Truth: >knock off
  531. [14:56:55] #IronBullet: we dont have knock off anywhere else so could go here
  532. [14:57:01] %Based Lord Christo: it doesnt get knock
  533. [14:57:04] +Truth: We're talking about Umbreon tho
  534. [14:57:05] +Truth: >_>
  535. [14:57:06] #IronBullet: lol seriously
  536. [14:57:07] #IronBullet: thats weird
  537. [14:57:09] #IronBullet: okay
  538. [14:57:10] +Truth: !learn umbreon, knock off
  539. [14:57:10] Umbreon can't learn Knock Off
  540. [14:57:11] +Truth: :(
  541. [14:57:12] @Eyan: rip
  542. [14:57:22] #IronBullet: well then that narrows it
  543. [14:57:32] +Truth: Actually
  544. [14:57:53] #IronBullet: what do people think of bp?
  545. [14:57:55] +Truth: Wait nvm
  546. [14:58:12] +Truth: I don't feel like BP momentum and Wish pass safety is as necessary tbh
  547. [14:58:15] %Based Lord Christo: my problem is how reliable curse pert is as a fire check
  548. [14:58:26] #IronBullet: very isnt it
  549. [14:58:31] #IronBullet: since it has rest
  550. [14:58:37] #IronBullet: it can tank sacred fires / blitz all day
  551. [14:59:09] %Based Lord Christo: alright the only reason i was skeptical was since it will only be max hp no defense
  552. [14:59:35] #IronBullet: well 110 base def still tanks it fairly comfortably
  553. [15:00:17] %Based Lord Christo: i feel like with spdef virizion and cm florges umbreon is repetitive
  554. [15:00:24] %Based Lord Christo: its only for chandy and hoopa etc
  555. [15:00:24] +Truth: 252+ Atk Choice Band Entei Sacred Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 114-134 (28.2 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
  556. [15:00:30] %Based Lord Christo: we could run LO taunt roost hydrei
  557. [15:00:31] #IronBullet: umbreon is for gatr mainly
  558. [15:00:34] +Truth: Pert should do decent enough
  559. [15:00:39] #IronBullet: because we're going physically defensive
  560. [15:00:45] %Based Lord Christo: and its a secondary fire resist and SD gatr check
  561. [15:01:01] %Based Lord Christo: ah phys def ok
  562. [15:01:11] %dodmen: so what is set for sure so far?
  563. [15:01:22] #IronBullet: mega pert / florges / forry / virizion
  564. [15:01:30] #IronBullet: is crobat good?
  565. [15:01:40] #IronBullet: as the speedy rk
  566. [15:01:41] %Based Lord Christo: also w/ umby
  567. [15:01:48] %Based Lord Christo: the team has no offense presence at all
  568. [15:01:56] #IronBullet: we're going for a stall team
  569. [15:02:05] +Truth: Is offensive presence rly necessary?
  570. [15:02:07] %Based Lord Christo: oh i was unaware
  571. [15:02:14] #IronBullet: haha yeah sorry i shouldve mentioned
  572. [15:02:26] %Based Lord Christo: i just assumed balance
  573. [15:02:33] #IronBullet: ah
  574. [15:02:47] %dodmen: hmm
  575. [15:03:02] %dodmen: yeah right now the most threatening thing is dd gatr
  576. [15:03:21] %dodmen: idk how well stallbreaker viriz takes ice punches but probably not well
  577. [15:03:28] #IronBullet: physically defensive foul play umby is pretty solid for that no
  578. [15:03:28] %Based Lord Christo: its not a counter
  579. [15:03:29] +Truth: I feel like Umbreon just fills that gap well
  580. [15:03:38] %Based Lord Christo: but phys def umby is a counter
  581. [15:03:40] #IronBullet: i agree with umby too
  582. [15:03:40] %dodmen: yeah that might be a good thing here
  583. [15:03:44] %dodmen: ok
  584. [15:03:53] %dodmen: that would help with lo azelf as well
  585. [15:03:58] #IronBullet: and i proposed crobat for the last slot
  586. [15:04:13] +Truth: Wait IB
  587. [15:04:17] +Truth: What's this Viriz set anyway
  588. [15:04:19] %Based Lord Christo: well for sure the last slot
  589. [15:04:20] #IronBullet: oh last slot on umby
  590. [15:04:25] #IronBullet: toxic taunt sacred sword synthesis
  591. [15:04:26] %Based Lord Christo: is a fighting resist
  592. [15:04:33] +Truth: o.o
  593. [15:04:44] %dodmen: how much speed does that run?
  594. [15:04:51] %dodmen: i feel like enough for hydrei would be a solid starting point
  595. [15:05:01] #IronBullet: if youre outspeeding hydrei might as well go for shaymin
  596. [15:05:11] %dodmen: yeah that seems good
  597. [15:06:08] %dodmen: so crobat last slot?
  598. [15:06:13] %Based Lord Christo: so for the next slot think fighting resist
  599. [15:06:15] %dodmen: that seems solid
  600. [15:06:43] %dodmen: and i think taunt on that would be good too
  601. [15:06:48] %dodmen: to take on other cm florges
  602. [15:07:11] %Based Lord Christo: that seems fair
  603. [15:07:19] %dodmen: so we've got
  604. [15:07:40] %dodmen: mega pert / forry / cm florges/ stallbreaker virizion / pdef umby / taunt crobat
  605. [15:07:47] +Truth: Looks quite weak to Reun at this point though
  606. [15:07:59] %Based Lord Christo: looks like reun just wins
  607. [15:08:25] %dodmen: how do you fix that
  608. [15:08:29] %dodmen: probably mandibuzz
  609. [15:08:32] %dodmen: oh
  610. [15:08:40] %dodmen: curse pert actually deals with reuni pretty well
  611. [15:09:04] %dodmen: cause focus blast doesn't do much and curse softens psyshock
  612. [15:09:25] #IronBullet: yeah and eq destroys it
  613. [15:09:26] %Based Lord Christo: that is true although the rest of the team cant touch it
  614. [15:09:32] #IronBullet: hm
  615. [15:09:38] +Truth: Could still use more insurance though
  616. [15:09:48] %Based Lord Christo: the 2 things that taunt it cant take psyshock
  617. [15:10:08] %dodmen: yeah i agree
  618. [15:10:09] +Truth: Perhaps like Jelli over Crobat?
  619. [15:10:16] %Based Lord Christo: ooo
  620. [15:10:20] %Based Lord Christo: love that idea
  621. [15:10:21] %dodmen: what if we do
  622. [15:10:27] %dodmen: tangrowth > virizion and then mandibuzz > umbreon
  623. [15:10:29] %Based Lord Christo: and then we could drop
  624. [15:10:31] %Based Lord Christo: taunt virizon
  625. [15:10:44] %Based Lord Christo: im likely the idea of jelli and then something over viriz
  626. [15:10:44] #IronBullet: i really like tangrowth here
  627. [15:10:56] %Based Lord Christo: tangrowth can work over viriz even
  628. [15:11:05] +Truth: Tang over Viriz sounds cool
  629. [15:11:17] #IronBullet: and mandi over umby is fine too
  630. [15:11:25] %Based Lord Christo: yeah that lets us
  631. [15:11:28] %Based Lord Christo: run spdef mandi
  632. [15:11:28] %dodmen: and that'd solve the problem with reuni
  633. [15:11:32] %Based Lord Christo: i love it
  634. [15:11:37] %dodmen: and you can run knock off on tangrowth and fp on mandi
  635. [15:12:06] %Based Lord Christo: wow so would it be double stall breakers?
  636. [15:12:09] %Based Lord Christo: that sounds fun
  637. [15:12:24] #IronBullet: yeah just shut down opposing stall
  638. [15:12:27] %dodmen: lol
  639. [15:12:30] %dodmen: with bat and mandi?
  640. [15:12:35] #IronBullet: giga drain knock off sleep powder hp ice on tang?
  641. [15:12:39] +Truth: rip opposing stall
  642. [15:12:42] %Based Lord Christo: spdef mandi / growth / curse pert / cm flor / forry / jelli
  643. [15:12:58] #IronBullet: wait we replaced jelli?
  644. [15:12:59] %dodmen: oh jelli > bat
  645. [15:13:00] #IronBullet: wasnt it crobat
  646. [15:13:00] %dodmen: yeah
  647. [15:13:02] %dodmen: i think we need that
  648. [15:13:05] %dodmen: becuase cobalion
  649. [15:13:06] %Based Lord Christo: 100% hp ice on tang
  650. [15:13:09] %dodmen: otherwise sets up on mandibuzz
  651. [15:13:12] #IronBullet: but we need something fast
  652. [15:13:12] %dodmen: same with lucario
  653. [15:13:26] #IronBullet: i guess not if we covered all threats but still its nice to have
  654. [15:13:30] %Based Lord Christo: hmm
  655. [15:13:31] %dodmen: actually
  656. [15:13:35] %Based Lord Christo: if we run hp ice on tang
  657. [15:13:37] %dodmen: if we have jellicent what's the point of mandi > crobat?
  658. [15:13:41] %Based Lord Christo: i think we have to run eq over knock
  659. [15:13:48] #IronBullet: otherwise something slow and strong like heracross is a huge pain
  660. [15:13:50] %Based Lord Christo: mandi to check reun
  661. [15:13:53] %Based Lord Christo: since we just lose
  662. [15:13:54] %dodmen: jellicent checks it
  663. [15:13:55] %dodmen: though
  664. [15:13:58] %Based Lord Christo: since when?
  665. [15:13:59] %dodmen: and so does pert
  666. [15:13:59] #IronBullet: jelli checks it and mega pert does too
  667. [15:14:08] +Truth: Hera seems like a pain to non-Crobat though
  668. [15:14:08] %dodmen: u run taunt wisp hex
  669. [15:14:11] #IronBullet: doesnt hex + wow beat it
  670. [15:14:12] %dodmen: and hex 2hkos at +1 i believe
  671. [15:14:21] #IronBullet: yeah truth thats why crobat over mandi
  672. [15:14:23] %dodmen: even easier if you knock it off with tangrowth
  673. [15:14:24] +Truth: And we kinda need something fast for Azelf at this point
  674. [15:14:32] #IronBullet: although that makes hoopa a pain lol
  675. [15:14:38] +Truth: Pursuit Bat
  676. [15:14:39] +Truth: hue
  677. [15:14:43] #IronBullet: lol
  678. [15:14:45] %Based Lord Christo: i mean hoopa being a pain seems
  679. [15:14:52] %Based Lord Christo: inevitable
  680. [15:15:01] #IronBullet: not if we have mandi
  681. [15:15:10] %dodmen: pursuit bat lol
  682. [15:15:11] #IronBullet: and that ghost resist is nice for chandy too
  683. [15:15:19] %dodmen: idk
  684. [15:15:20] #IronBullet: otherwise specs can just click sball
  685. [15:15:21] %Based Lord Christo: omg
  686. [15:15:26] %Based Lord Christo: we need mandi
  687. [15:15:29] #IronBullet: yeah i think we do
  688. [15:15:31] %Based Lord Christo: chandy kills shadow ball
  689. [15:15:35] %Based Lord Christo: and we click x
  690. [15:15:39] %Based Lord Christo: clciks*
  691. [15:15:42] %Based Lord Christo: clicks*
  692. [15:15:54] %Based Lord Christo: yeah bat cant work
  693. [15:16:02] %dodmen: alright that's fine
  694. [15:16:15] +Truth: Actually wait what's Tang providing us again?
  695. [15:16:20] #IronBullet: gatr check
  696. [15:16:27] %Based Lord Christo: im fine with mandi / tang / pert / flor / forry / jelli
  697. [15:16:39] #IronBullet: yeah it looks solid enough
  698. [15:16:45] #IronBullet: thats full stall hehe
  699. [15:16:52] %Based Lord Christo: yeah thats the non aids stall
  700. [15:16:53] +Truth: Hera tho :(
  701. [15:16:59] %dodmen: yeah sd hera
  702. [15:17:00] %dodmen: lol
  703. [15:17:04] %Based Lord Christo: gg
  704. [15:17:04] +Truth: brave Bird mandi time I guess
  705. [15:17:05] +Truth: hue
  706. [15:17:10] #IronBullet: aromatisse > flor
  707. [15:17:19] %Based Lord Christo: yo cm aroma o.O
  708. [15:17:27] %Based Lord Christo: !learn aromatisse, calm mind
  709. [15:17:27] Aromatisse can learn Calm Mind
  710. [15:17:33] %dodmen: that doesn't get synth :/ and can't check blastoise which we need florg to do
  711. [15:17:33] #IronBullet: new meta
  712. [15:17:35] +Truth: no synthesis
  713. [15:17:38] +Truth: smh
  714. [15:17:40] #IronBullet: gotta go for dinner guys ill be back soon
  715. [15:17:43] %Based Lord Christo: sigh aroma..
  716. [15:17:51] +Truth: Aroma's always a let down
  717. [15:17:51] +Truth: :(
  718. [15:18:01] %Based Lord Christo: yeah heracross 6-0s like no other
  719. [15:18:07] %Based Lord Christo: SD facade at least
  720. [15:18:15] %dodmen: even sd leftovers
  721. [15:18:20] +Truth: Sd anything
  722. [15:18:21] %dodmen: cause it 2hkos florg with megahorn
  723. [15:18:25] %Based Lord Christo: that can at least be checks by flor
  724. [15:18:32] %dodmen: and isn't ohkod by mblast
  725. [15:19:13] %dodmen: idk i think we're gonna have to settle being weak to something
  726. [15:19:33] %dodmen: i agree mandibuzz is kinda necessary for chand though cause otherwise it legit 6-0s
  727. [15:19:47] %Based Lord Christo: and i feel like that is more practical than SD hera
  728. [15:19:47] +Truth: Wait so what is confirmed thus far
  729. [15:20:03] %Based Lord Christo: mandi / tang / pert / flor / forry / jelli
  730. [15:20:39] %dodmen: basically it's either heracross or chand
  731. [15:21:10] %Based Lord Christo: i think i like what we have since
  732. [15:21:30] %Based Lord Christo: chandy is more common
  733. [15:21:36] %Based Lord Christo: and cb hera we can check at least
  734. [15:21:38] %dodmen: ok we'll stick to that too
  735. [15:21:39] %dodmen: then*
  736. [15:21:56] %Based Lord Christo: inb4 brave bird mandi
  737. [15:22:00] +Truth: hue
  738. [15:22:06] %dodmen: i mean it's an option rofl
  739. [15:22:09] %dodmen: legitimately
  740. [15:22:12] %Based Lord Christo: lol
  741. [15:22:14] %Based Lord Christo: MACHAMP
  742. [15:22:18] %dodmen: yeah
  743. [15:22:23] +Truth: I mean what if we had
  744. [15:22:36] +Truth: Umbreon > Mandibuzz and then Crobat > Tangrowth
  745. [15:22:54] %dodmen: hmm
  746. [15:22:58] %Based Lord Christo: that brings us back to the reun problem
  747. [15:23:03] %dodmen: well now we have jellicent
  748. [15:23:08] +Truth: ^
  749. [15:23:27] %dodmen: i like that idea as long as we're running moonlight on umby
  750. [15:23:51] %Based Lord Christo: to add in taunt?
  751. [15:23:53] +Truth: W-What about Sucker Punch, we can fuck Hoopa and Azelf harder then hue
  752. [15:23:59] @Eyan: Truth pls
  753. [15:24:04] +Truth: :(
  754. [15:24:06] %dodmen: wish moonlight foul play
  755. [15:24:06] +Truth: B-but
  756. [15:24:08] +Truth: Fuck Hoopa
  757. [15:24:14] @Eyan: I'm not sure about that lol
  758. [15:24:21] %dodmen: this way we'd have crobatto check those two
  759. [15:24:38] %dodmen: ye i think this is the best variant
  760. [15:24:49] +Truth: Last slot for Umb?
  761. [15:24:55] %Based Lord Christo: imo we would like an acrobat with max attack
  762. [15:25:04] %dodmen: florges pert forry umbreon crobat jellicent
  763. [15:25:29] %dodmen: biggest threat there is probably beedrill mowtom
  764. [15:25:46] %dodmen: but with offensive crobat
  765. [15:25:50] %dodmen: we can check those
  766. [15:26:04] +Truth: Yeah we should probs have offensive acrobat
  767. [15:26:15] +Truth: Don't want to get too weak from trying to KO Hera and Bee
  768. [15:26:38] %dodmen: anyway i think this is getting close to the end
  769. [15:26:47] %dodmen: i gtg soon
  770. [15:26:51] %Based Lord Christo: w8
  771. [15:26:51] %Based Lord Christo: w8
  772. [15:26:52] +Truth: rip in banana
  773. [15:26:53] %dodmen: yea
  774. [15:26:54] %Based Lord Christo: FUCKING
  775. [15:26:56] %Based Lord Christo: NIDOQUEEN
  776. [15:27:00] +Josh: lol
  777. [15:27:05] +Truth: //k Based Lord Christo
  778. [15:27:12] +Truth: Over what lol
  779. [15:27:16] %Based Lord Christo: i meant
  780. [15:27:19] %Based Lord Christo: what is our counter
  781. [15:27:25] %dodmen: doesn't jellicent avoid a 2hko?
  782. [15:27:28] %Based Lord Christo: no
  783. [15:27:37] %Based Lord Christo: does like 50% iirc
  784. [15:27:46] %Based Lord Christo: ah i guess spef pert nvm
  785. [15:27:49] %dodmen: oh yeah pert
  786. [15:28:03] +Truth: Was about to say
  787. [15:28:05] @Eyan: so we're good?
  788. [15:28:07] %Based Lord Christo: yeah
  789. [15:28:09] +Truth: So uh
  790. [15:28:14] +Truth: Just want confirmation
  791. [15:28:21] %dodmen: yeah
  792. [15:28:22] %Based Lord Christo: i thought for a second that we straight lost to nidoq lol
  793. [15:28:22] +Truth: Crobat set and EVs as well as Umbreon last moveslot
  794. [15:28:32] %dodmen: umbreon's last slot
  795. [15:28:51] %dodmen: wish moonlight fp and
  796. [15:28:53] %dodmen: i dunno
  797. [15:29:02] %Based Lord Christo: bp
  798. [15:29:11] +Truth: I don't think we rly need BP though
  799. [15:29:11] %Based Lord Christo: get that bp into forry
  800. [15:29:28] %dodmen: it can be bp or sucker lol
  801. [15:29:36] +Truth: :)
  802. [15:29:39] %dodmen: or taunt or hell pursuit
  803. [15:29:42] %dodmen: doesn't matter too much
  804. [15:29:46] %Based Lord Christo: tbh sucker sounds heat
  805. [15:29:59] +Truth: Shoutouts to Serp then
  806. [15:30:11] %Based Lord Christo: but i recommend hp ice and eq on tang
  807. [15:30:11] %dodmen: can florges run calm
  808. [15:30:14] %dodmen: now that we have crobat
  809. [15:30:21] +Truth: We don't have tang
  810. [15:30:24] +Truth: anymore
  811. [15:30:28] %Based Lord Christo: o
  812. [15:30:37] %Based Lord Christo: o yeah
  813. [15:30:45] +Truth: It probably can godmen
  814. [15:30:53] %dodmen: calm is cool for checking tois ebetter
  815. [15:31:01] %dodmen: and you can beat nidoqueen if it switches in on cm
  816. [15:31:09] +Truth: o.O
  817. [15:31:12] +Truth: You can?
  818. [15:31:16] %Based Lord Christo: yeah
  819. [15:31:17] %dodmen: y
  820. [15:31:18] %dodmen: oh
  821. [15:31:23] %dodmen: and probably toxic > volt forry
  822. [15:31:27] %dodmen: maybe?
  823. [15:31:34] %dodmen: for abomasnow
  824. [15:31:45] %Based Lord Christo: im worried about SD luc if anything
  825. [15:31:46] +Truth: Even w/out Psychic Florg can beat Queen?
  826. [15:31:54] %dodmen: yeah you just spam cm
  827. [15:31:59] +Truth: Oh gg
  828. [15:32:15] %dodmen: ok volt for now then, umbreon and florges together can beat snow
  829. [15:32:18] %Based Lord Christo: SD or NP luc rekt the team
  830. [15:32:23] %Based Lord Christo: but u cant check everything
  831. [15:32:34] +Truth: Let's just put EQ Forry so we can check then ez
  832. [15:32:45] +Truth: loljk
  833. [15:33:21] +Truth: but yeah Lucario sounds a bit problematic if it gets in on Umbreon
  834. [15:33:22] %dodmen: well crobat checks np, florg+jelli
  835. [15:33:25] %dodmen: checks sd
  836. [15:33:55] %Based Lord Christo: oh true i forgot luc needs iron tail
  837. [15:33:56] %dodmen: what moves on crobat btw?
  838. [15:34:09] +Truth: I have Taunt, Defog, Roost, Acrobatics atm
  839. [15:34:11] %dodmen: do we need u-turn?
  840. [15:34:16] %Based Lord Christo: acro taunt u turn roost
  841. [15:34:18] +Truth: I don't think so
  842. [15:34:39] %dodmen: actually u-turn
  843. [15:34:42] %dodmen: helps with bee mowtom
  844. [15:34:47] +Truth: I wanted to avoid being too hazard weak cos of reliance on forry
  845. [15:34:54] %dodmen: i guess that's fair
  846. [15:35:01] %dodmen: froslass ho woul dmatch up well otherwise
  847. [15:35:06] +Truth: yea
  848. [15:35:30] +Truth: So wut EVs do I put on this Crobat
  849. [15:35:38] %dodmen: weren't we doing max atk?
  850. [15:35:44] %Based Lord Christo: yeah max
  851. [15:35:55] %dodmen: http://pastebin.com/tNCvnBk3 here's what i have then
  852. [15:36:06] %dodmen: the variables are umbreon's last slot, defog/uturn on bat
  853. [15:36:09] %dodmen: and volt/toxic on forry
  854. [15:36:33] %Based Lord Christo: we need gyro
  855. [15:36:40] %dodmen: ye i have gyro
  856. [15:37:23] +Truth: Ok so we all good?
  857. [15:37:29] %Based Lord Christo: looks fine to me
  858. [15:37:31] +Truth: btw dod missing 4 Evs on bat
  859. [15:37:35] +Truth: nothing big
  860. [15:37:36] +Truth: but js
  861. [15:37:37] +Truth: :P
  862. [15:43:55] +Truth: So uh
  863. [15:43:59] +Truth: What now lol
  864. [15:46:34] %dodmen: yeah
  865. [15:46:36] %dodmen: sorry i gtg now
  866. [15:46:44] %dodmen: Eyan D:
  867. [15:46:50] @Eyan: :[
  868. [15:46:52] %dodmen: i think we're done
  869. [15:46:55] @Eyan: yeah probs
  870. [15:47:06] @Eyan: no harm since I have to sleep soon too
  871. [15:47:08] %dodmen: aight
  872. [15:47:09] %dodmen: later
  873. [15:47:18] @Eyan: I'll get the logs to IB
  874. [15:47:22] %dodmen: sounds good
  875. [15:47:23] %dodmen: later
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