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  1. [18:46:47] NEW CHATROOM: groupchat-earth-specsaltaria
  2. [18:47:14] Based TurtleHD: ok so im putting out there before we even begin
  3. [18:47:29] Based TurtleHD: we go jolly otherwise we lose to jolly chan ice punch
  4. [18:47:49] Based TurtleHD: straight up won a tour bc of that
  5. [18:48:00] Shadestep: we lose to it either way
  6. [18:48:03] Shadestep: unless its
  7. [18:48:04] Based TurtleHD was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  8. [18:48:05] Supermario122: hi
  9. [18:48:06] Shadestep: severly weakened
  10. [18:48:08] TTFTW was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  11. [18:48:12] kipup was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  12. [18:48:13] AaronDeGamor3.0: hi
  13. [18:48:16] @kipup: okay so we got jolly max spatk max spe Altaria
  14. [18:48:22] Shadestep was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  15. [18:48:24] @Based TurtleHD: yeah but jolly we at least outspeed it
  16. [18:48:25] #Earth: !dt altaria
  17. [18:48:25] /data-pokemon Altaria
  18. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 334&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 3&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 1.1 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 20.6 kg <em>(40 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> Blue&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Flying, Dragon&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Does Not Evolve</font></font>
  19. [18:48:26] @kipup: choice specs, we could do scarf alternatively
  20. [18:48:40] @Based TurtleHD: nah i like the idea of specs
  21. [18:48:47] AaronDeGamor3.0: specs is good
  22. [18:48:56] @kipup: we can run rest on this thing an natural cure will allow it to heal that status when switching out
  23. [18:49:06] @kipup: which means if we have defensive pivots we can keep it alive for a while
  24. [18:49:13] @Based TurtleHD: specs rest?
  25. [18:49:34] @TTFTW: specs rest
  26. [18:49:35] @TTFTW: oml
  27. [18:49:35] @Based TurtleHD: not bad
  28. [18:49:37] @kipup: if you run rest on it in the right matchup, it gets all its health and switching out triggers natural cure
  29. [18:49:40] @TTFTW: that's fire
  30. [18:49:51] nadaplease: YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  31. [18:49:53] @kipup: so it foer sure works
  32. [18:49:53] @Based TurtleHD: thats actually on the standard specs setXD
  33. [18:49:59] AaronDeGamor3.0: Just like my cacturne set TTFTW
  34. [18:50:05] @TTFTW: indeed
  35. [18:50:13] nadaplease: Do you guys think specs alt + archeops has potential on HO?
  36. [18:50:26] @TTFTW: yh why not
  37. [18:50:30] @kipup: I wanna use archeops for sure
  38. [18:50:36] #Earth: yeah that looks cool
  39. [18:50:36] @kipup: the issue then becomes hazard control
  40. [18:50:44] AaronDeGamor3.0: arch gets defog
  41. [18:50:46] AaronDeGamor3.0: i think
  42. [18:50:50] #Earth: hitmonchan fits on every team anyways lol
  43. [18:50:56] @kipup: true
  44. [18:50:58] #Earth: but maybe we could think of hazard control l8r
  45. [18:51:07] @TTFTW: yo ppl
  46. [18:51:08] @kipup: Gotcha
  47. [18:51:13] @kipup: yeah?
  48. [18:51:14] @TTFTW: what does altaria run as a 4th slot
  49. [18:51:18] @TTFTW: dpulse
  50. [18:51:18] MARCU5theBAW5: rest
  51. [18:51:18] @TTFTW: ?
  52. [18:51:20] @kipup: i was gonna ask
  53. [18:51:21] @Based TurtleHD: yeh wait for hazard control
  54. [18:51:22] AaronDeGamor3.0: rest or sleep talk
  55. [18:51:24] @TTFTW: i have
  56. [18:51:25] MARCU5theBAW5: dpulse
  57. [18:51:30] @kipup: i got draco, fire blast, rest, and a filler
  58. [18:51:32] @TTFTW: draco fblast rest
  59. [18:51:32] @Based TurtleHD: its dpulse f blast draco and rest
  60. [18:51:54] @kipup: we can ice beam or air cutter too
  61. [18:52:07] @TTFTW: !dt air cutter
  62. [18:52:07] /data-move Air Cutter
  63. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Priority:</font> 0&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 3&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Target:</font> All Adjacent Opponents</font>
  64. [18:52:10] @Based TurtleHD: nah we oont really need the lure
  65. [18:52:16] AaronDeGamor3.0: air cutter is stab but it is not needed
  66. [18:52:18] @Based TurtleHD: whats switching in on us
  67. [18:52:19] @TTFTW: prob doesn't 2hko yama
  68. [18:52:21] @TTFTW: :(
  69. [18:52:31] #Earth: !calc
  70. [18:52:31] Pok&eacute;mon Showdown! damage calculator. (Courtesy of Honko)- Damage Calculator
  71. [18:52:32] MARCU5theBAW5: garb could be a potential partner for spikes and stuff
  72. [18:52:35] #Earth: im not sure
  73. [18:52:39] @TTFTW: draco doesn't 2hko yama
  74. [18:52:44] @TTFTW: so air cutter definitely doesn't
  75. [18:52:49] #Earth: yeah lmao
  76. [18:53:05] Blast was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  77. [18:53:07] @TTFTW: are we going to run
  78. [18:53:08] @Based TurtleHD: yama is too bulky
  79. [18:53:09] #Earth: hey blast could you pls
  80. [18:53:12] #Earth: invite bb8
  81. [18:53:15] @TTFTW: **specs archeops**
  82. [18:53:18] @TTFTW: for the dual specs core
  83. [18:53:23] @Based TurtleHD: O_o
  84. [18:53:24] AaronDeGamor3.0: lol TTFTW
  85. [18:53:25] @Blast: ~squid
  86. [18:53:25] BB-8-NU: くコ:彡
  87. [18:53:29] #Earth: ty ty
  88. [18:53:35] BB-8-NU was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  89. [18:53:41] @TTFTW: !learn archeops, air slash
  90. [18:53:41] In Gen 6, Archeops can't learn Air Slash
  91. [18:53:42] @TTFTW: f
  92. [18:53:44] #Earth: ~ws add specs altaria
  93. [18:53:44] @BB-8-NU: No Workshop in progress right now
  94. [18:53:48] #Earth: ~ws new
  95. [18:53:48] @BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
  96. [18:53:53] @Blast: ~squid
  97. [18:53:53] @BB-8-NU: くコ:彡
  98. [18:53:54] #Earth: ~ws add specs altaria
  99. [18:53:54] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria added
  100. [18:53:59] #Earth: ~ws add archeops
  101. [18:54:00] @BB-8-NU: archeops added
  102. [18:54:11] @kipup: okay so
  103. [18:54:11] @TTFTW: ~ask what archeops set should we use
  104. [18:54:11] @BB-8-NU: Yes, because you have an Assault Vest.
  105. [18:54:13] @Based TurtleHD: ok so what cheops set do we want?
  106. [18:54:21] AaronDeGamor3.0: head smash cb
  107. [18:54:22] @kipup: Im going mixed
  108. [18:54:24] #Earth: bulkycheops?
  109. [18:54:37] @kipup: stone edge, heat wave, roost, filler
  110. [18:54:40] @TTFTW: id just go
  111. [18:54:46] @TTFTW: standard honestly
  112. [18:54:54] @kipup: standard being?
  113. [18:54:59] @TTFTW: acro/edge/roost/
  114. [18:54:59] @Based TurtleHD: standard bulky?
  115. [18:55:14] @TTFTW: the last one is between focus blast
  116. [18:55:16] @TTFTW: and earth power
  117. [18:55:30] MARCU5theBAW5: build the rest of the squad then decide last move
  118. [18:55:35] @Based TurtleHD: id perfer power over focus miss
  119. [18:55:36] @kipup: gotcha
  120. [18:55:47] #Earth: earth power imo
  121. [18:55:49] @TTFTW: does focus blast
  122. [18:55:50] AaronDeGamor3.0: specs hp flying XD
  123. [18:55:51] @TTFTW: 2hko rhydon
  124. [18:55:54] @TTFTW: after
  125. [18:55:56] #Earth: idk lemme calc
  126. [18:55:57] @TTFTW: a spike?
  127. [18:55:59] #Earth: !calc
  128. [18:55:59] Pok&eacute;mon Showdown! damage calculator. (Courtesy of Honko)- Damage Calculator
  129. [18:56:02] @Based TurtleHD: ok so we really need hazard removal but we can wait on that
  130. [18:56:09] @kipup: EVs on archeops?
  131. [18:56:22] AaronDeGamor3.0: max attack max speed 4 sp atk?
  132. [18:56:25] @Based TurtleHD: hasty max atk max spe
  133. [18:56:29] @Based TurtleHD: 4 spa
  134. [18:56:42] @kipup: shoutout to Smogon for doing it for me
  135. [18:56:46] @Based TurtleHD: we need something to eat up ice thou
  136. [18:56:57] @kipup: avalugg
  137. [18:56:57] AaronDeGamor3.0: hariyama?
  138. [18:56:57] @Based TurtleHD: bc right now it rekts us
  139. [18:57:15] @Based TurtleHD: yama could work
  140. [18:57:27] AaronDeGamor3.0: rock also fucks you over imo
  141. [18:57:31] @Based TurtleHD: and altaria comes in on most psychic types
  142. [18:57:31] princess zyra was promoted to Room Voice by Earth.
  143. [18:57:45] @Based TurtleHD: and drops draco
  144. [18:57:47] @kipup: yama works
  145. [18:58:11] AaronDeGamor3.0: thick fat av was what I was thinkin
  146. [18:58:17] @Based TurtleHD: honestly with cheops i dont think we will need the jolly on altari
  147. [18:58:27] @kipup: sounds good Aaron
  148. [18:58:31] @kipup: whys that turtle?
  149. [18:58:49] #Earth: ttftw
  150. [18:58:50] @Based TurtleHD: bc even after mach cheops ohko's chan
  151. [18:58:51] #Earth: it barely 2hkos
  152. [18:58:57] #Earth: if we runnin 4 spatk
  153. [18:59:03] nadaplease: When you have
  154. [18:59:05] nadaplease: 2799 coil
  155. [18:59:07] nadaplease: Pls
  156. [18:59:09] AaronDeGamor3.0: why jolly on specs altaria
  157. [18:59:10] @Based TurtleHD: lol
  158. [18:59:23] @Based TurtleHD: it was originally to outspeed jolly chan
  159. [18:59:33] @Based TurtleHD: but with cheops i dont think we need it
  160. [18:59:37] AaronDeGamor3.0: why not timid
  161. [18:59:38] @kipup: we can go modest and pack a harder punch
  162. [19:00:00] @Based TurtleHD: why did i say jollyXD i run that shit on kingler
  163. [19:00:10] @Based TurtleHD: anyways
  164. [19:00:18] @kipup: i changed it to modest we'll se how that goes
  165. [19:00:36] @kipup: so we got a wall kinda in hariyama
  166. [19:00:41] AaronDeGamor3.0: going back to yama kipup, I say cc bullet punch ice punch and knock for thick fat AV
  167. [19:00:58] @TTFTW: **OK**
  168. [19:01:04] @kipup: I got knock, edge, cc, bp
  169. [19:01:06] lucianvega: oh wow u can do
  170. [19:01:10] @TTFTW: i have an idea
  171. [19:01:11] lucianvega: i mean make rooms
  172. [19:01:13] @TTFTW: thoughts on
  173. [19:01:16] @TTFTW: !dt prinplup
  174. [19:01:16] /data-pokemon Prinplup
  175. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 394&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 0.8 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 23 kg <em>(40 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> Blue&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Water 1, Field&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Evolution:</font> Empoleon (36)</font>
  176. [19:01:19] lucianvega: ,
  177. [19:01:19] @Based TurtleHD: id also say edge over ice punch
  178. [19:01:24] lucianvega: whats in team so far?
  179. [19:01:33] @TTFTW: ~ws team
  180. [19:01:33] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / archeops
  181. [19:01:41] @kipup: altaria, cheops, and prolly yama but not bonafide yet
  182. [19:01:42] @TTFTW: don't ignore the plup :(
  183. [19:01:45] @Based TurtleHD: and av yama
  184. [19:01:51] lucianvega: ,
  185. [19:01:55] @kipup: i like it kinda TTFTW
  186. [19:01:59] @kipup: whats its niche tho?
  187. [19:02:04] @kipup: rocker and defogger?
  188. [19:02:04] lucianvega was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  189. [19:02:05] @TTFTW: it defogs
  190. [19:02:07] @Based TurtleHD: idk it doesnt do anything
  191. [19:02:09] @lucianvega: what are archeops altaria doing together?
  192. [19:02:18] @kipup: sweeping
  193. [19:02:20] @Based TurtleHD: and then we have 3 mons that get destroyed by lantern
  194. [19:02:46] @TTFTW: hmm
  195. [19:02:55] @TTFTW: maybe we should use
  196. [19:02:55] @TTFTW: an electric immunity
  197. [19:03:10] @TTFTW: because scarf rotom is really threatening
  198. [19:03:13] #Earth: stunfisk.
  199. [19:03:16] AaronDeGamor3.0: electivire?
  200. [19:03:20] @kipup: seaking
  201. [19:03:37] AaronDeGamor3.0 was promoted to Room Voice by Earth.
  202. [19:03:43] @kipup: stunfisk prolly works best
  203. [19:03:46] @lucianvega: rather go swellow altaria
  204. [19:04:12] @lucianvega: altaria breaks all its checks
  205. [19:04:19] +AaronDeGamor3.0: if you want a bulky fighting type over yama, maybe throh could work?
  206. [19:04:23] @lucianvega: nah
  207. [19:04:29] @lucianvega: throh needs its own support
  208. [19:05:17] #Earth: maybe we could just use archeops as our suicide lead
  209. [19:05:29] @lucianvega: i dont think suicude archeops and altaria should be in same team
  210. [19:05:51] #Earth: then idt that we should keep arch
  211. [19:05:52] @lucianvega: suicude archeops is only good on HO,and those r pretty rare sight
  212. [19:06:02] @lucianvega: like shaneghouls garbodor HO
  213. [19:06:13] @lucianvega: that one is pretty good
  214. [19:06:42] @kipup: okay so the verdict on archeops is?
  215. [19:07:01] @lucianvega: swellow is definitely better potential partner
  216. [19:07:17] @lucianvega: since some of the switchins for it is AV lanturn which gets weakened by alt
  217. [19:07:22] quziel: holy 3 workshops a day
  218. [19:07:30] @kipup: then we can go with it as opposed to archeops
  219. [19:07:33] quziel was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  220. [19:07:49] +AaronDeGamor3.0: swellow gets a 210 base power stab move
  221. [19:07:58] #Earth: hey quziel so we're building around specs alt
  222. [19:08:05] #Earth: we had archeops but we droppin it for swellow
  223. [19:08:06] Based TurtleHD used /poll create swellow or archeops, yes, no
  224. [19:08:06] (A poll was started by Based TurtleHD.)
  225. [19:08:10] @kipup: wait
  226. [19:08:10] @lucianvega: yes no?
  227. [19:08:11] @lucianvega: LOL
  228. [19:08:11] @quziel: uh, sub viv seems cool
  229. [19:08:13] @Based TurtleHD: waitXD
  230. [19:08:14] @kipup: lmao
  231. [19:08:14] #Earth: rofl
  232. [19:08:15] @lucianvega: check this pooll
  233. [19:08:17] @lucianvega: lmaoo
  234. [19:08:19] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">swellow or archeops</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>yes</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>no</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:300px"></span><small>&nbsp;100%</small></div></div>
  235. [19:08:19] (The poll was ended by Earth.)
  236. [19:08:26] Based TurtleHD used /poll create swellow or archeops, swellow, archeops
  237. [19:08:26] (A poll was started by Based TurtleHD.)
  238. [19:08:30] @Based TurtleHD: there we go
  239. [19:08:35] @Based TurtleHD: ive never done thisXD
  240. [19:08:44] The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 0.5 minute(s).
  241. [19:08:44] (The poll timer was set to 0.5 minute(s) by Earth.)
  242. [19:08:45] @quziel: like, it appreciates alt's whole hitting lix and friends with fblast, and alts whole switching into mortar thing
  243. [19:08:57] @lucianvega: yeah
  244. [19:09:14] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">swellow or archeops</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>swellow</strong> <small>(5 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:189px"></span><small>&nbsp;63%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>archeops</strong> <small>(3 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:114px"></span><small>&nbsp;38%</small></div></div>
  245. [19:09:30] @lucianvega: oh my,lagg
  246. [19:09:37] @Based TurtleHD: so are will still keeping yama then
  247. [19:09:40] @kipup: okay so swellow it is
  248. [19:09:45] +AaronDeGamor3.0: yeah ig Based TurtleHD
  249. [19:09:49] @kipup: guts set?
  250. [19:09:52] #Earth: n
  251. [19:09:58] +AaronDeGamor3.0: thick fat
  252. [19:09:58] @lucianvega: wait
  253. [19:09:58] @Based TurtleHD: nah av
  254. [19:10:04] @Based TurtleHD: ice kills us without
  255. [19:10:04] @lucianvega: uh
  256. [19:10:08] +AaronDeGamor3.0: av thick fat
  257. [19:10:08] #Earth: ~ws team
  258. [19:10:08] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / archeops
  259. [19:10:10] @lucianvega: lets think a bit more
  260. [19:10:12] @lucianvega: before hariyama
  261. [19:10:17] #Earth: ~ws remove archeops
  262. [19:10:18] @BB-8-NU: archeops removed
  263. [19:10:21] @kipup: im talking about swellow we are going guts on that right?
  264. [19:10:27] @lucianvega: n
  265. [19:10:27] #Earth: are we all agreeing on adding swellow?
  266. [19:10:27] +AaronDeGamor3.0: no
  267. [19:10:31] @Based TurtleHD: yes
  268. [19:10:31] @quziel: tbh, specs is the default set
  269. [19:10:33] @Based TurtleHD: specs
  270. [19:10:35] #Earth: y
  271. [19:10:37] #Earth: specs is the best set
  272. [19:10:41] #Earth: by far
  273. [19:10:44] @lucianvega: toxic orb invites rhyond s2 much
  274. [19:10:44] @kipup: really?
  275. [19:10:49] @kipup: why not flame orb
  276. [19:10:56] #Earth: ~ws add specs swellow
  277. [19:10:56] @BB-8-NU: specs swellow added
  278. [19:10:56] @Based TurtleHD: pivots
  279. [19:11:01] @quziel: uh, boomburst ohkos most all fast mons
  280. [19:11:06] @quziel: and doesn't wear you down
  281. [19:11:07] @Based TurtleHD: indeed
  282. [19:11:14] @quziel: you also have heatwave and hp grass to hit lix/rhydon
  283. [19:11:20] @kipup: So both birds are choiced
  284. [19:11:24] @Based TurtleHD: i still think yama as we need an ice resist
  285. [19:11:26] @lucianvega: i vote magmortar
  286. [19:11:29] @lucianvega: for 3rd
  287. [19:11:33] @lucianvega: or
  288. [19:11:38] @Based TurtleHD: ooohhh i forgot about mag
  289. [19:11:47] @lucianvega: magmortar gives you 3rd ghost check
  290. [19:11:48] @Based TurtleHD: nah thats good we have 2 ground switch ins
  291. [19:11:51] +AaronDeGamor3.0: Ice resist is thick fat walrein: 1/8 resist to ice
  292. [19:11:54] @lucianvega: ,
  293. [19:12:07] @kipup: Stallrein ftw
  294. [19:12:07] #Earth: we aint running walrein lmao ;-;
  295. [19:12:12] MARCU5theBAW5: ~ws team
  296. [19:12:13] @lucianvega: Lapras is better in every way than walrein anyway
  297. [19:12:17] #Earth: ~ws team
  298. [19:12:17] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow
  299. [19:12:27] #Earth: i'd go for mag
  300. [19:12:28] @lucianvega: gastropod for 3rd
  301. [19:12:30] Based TurtleHD used /poll create av mag or av yama, mag, yama
  302. [19:12:30] (A poll was started by Based TurtleHD.)
  303. [19:12:38] @lucianvega: mag is better
  304. [19:12:42] @lucianvega: overall
  305. [19:12:45] @lucianvega: but then again gastrodon is good fit
  306. [19:12:50] The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 0.5 minute(s).
  307. [19:12:50] (The poll timer was set to 0.5 minute(s) by Based TurtleHD.)
  308. [19:13:03] @kipup: we can prolly go mag for av and then go hitmonchan as our fighting type and hazard removal
  309. [19:13:05] @lucianvega: gastrodon gives team a decent check to DD don,water check
  310. [19:13:20] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">av mag or av yama</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>mag</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:225px"></span><small>&nbsp;75%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>yama</strong> <small>(2 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:75px"></span><small>&nbsp;25%</small></div></div>
  311. [19:13:34] +AaronDeGamor3.0: TTFTW should I suggest the cacturne set of gods?
  312. [19:13:36] @Based TurtleHD: yeah but then we loose to freeze dry
  313. [19:13:46] @Based TurtleHD: from aurorus
  314. [19:13:55] @lucianvega: we r gonna need water check anyway
  315. [19:14:01] #Earth: also guys feel free to tell us what you'd add, everyone can help
  316. [19:14:16] @kipup: gastro sounds good
  317. [19:14:28] +AaronDeGamor3.0: /me psst I am a voice inside everyones head go with walrein
  318. [19:14:28] @lucianvega: then theres piloswine
  319. [19:14:41] @quziel: I mean, on the note of ice/water types, lapras could work acceptably
  320. [19:15:01] +AaronDeGamor3.0: walrein has a nice 1/8 resist to ice tho
  321. [19:15:05] @lucianvega: i dont like the rock weakness anymore
  322. [19:15:16] #Earth: i feel like we should go for gastro
  323. [19:15:23] @lucianvega: same
  324. [19:15:32] #Earth: is anyone disapproving?
  325. [19:15:37] @quziel: nope
  326. [19:15:41] @lucianvega: i dont like the freeze dry weaknesses but we can fill that
  327. [19:15:41] #Earth: good
  328. [19:15:44] @Based TurtleHD: for slot 4 or 3
  329. [19:15:46] #Earth: ~ws add gastro
  330. [19:15:46] @BB-8-NU: gastro added
  331. [19:15:53] #Earth: ~ws team
  332. [19:15:53] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro
  333. [19:16:00] @Based TurtleHD: kk
  334. [19:16:17] @lucianvega: now we can also choose rocker that isnt electric immunity which is an advantage to gastropod
  335. [19:16:33] #Earth: COW
  336. [19:16:41] GO TRIBE!: sounds like you have it down to a science damn
  337. [19:16:42] @lucianvega: cow would fit perfectly lol
  338. [19:16:47] @Based TurtleHD: miltank does give us a nice normal resist
  339. [19:16:50] @kipup: avalugg can work too
  340. [19:16:54] @lucianvega: nonono
  341. [19:17:02] @kipup: lol
  342. [19:17:02] @lucianvega: spdef cow isnt normal resist lol
  343. [19:17:05] @TTFTW: u guys use gastro in 4/5 ws teams
  344. [19:17:06] @TTFTW: don't u
  345. [19:17:09] #Earth: lmao
  346. [19:17:11] #Earth: true.
  347. [19:17:18] @kipup: rapid spin on avalugg and stealth rock
  348. [19:17:23] +AaronDeGamor3.0: TTFTW the cacturne of gods
  349. [19:17:25] @lucianvega: ,
  350. [19:17:26] @kipup: and ice immunity
  351. [19:17:29] @Based TurtleHD: spdef cow'
  352. [19:17:30] @kipup: not immune
  353. [19:17:31] @Based TurtleHD: gross
  354. [19:17:34] @kipup: but weakness
  355. [19:17:39] @TTFTW: convince them AaronDeGamor3.0!!
  356. [19:17:43] +AaronDeGamor3.0: ok
  357. [19:17:45] +AaronDeGamor3.0: guys
  358. [19:17:55] +AaronDeGamor3.0: I have a lit set
  359. [19:17:55] @lucianvega: do you guys think rotom and mismagius are well handled by swelow altaria gastro
  360. [19:18:06] @kipup: i think so
  361. [19:18:07] MARCU5theBAW5: probably
  362. [19:18:09] @lucianvega: oooooo i think skuntank would fit nicely
  363. [19:18:10] @Based TurtleHD: yeah
  364. [19:18:16] @kipup: as a defogger
  365. [19:18:17] #Earth: n idts
  366. [19:18:18] @kipup: ?
  367. [19:18:18] @lucianvega: as defoger
  368. [19:18:21] @Based TurtleHD: we also have gastro for scarf rotom
  369. [19:18:23] #Earth: i'd go for skuntank ye
  370. [19:18:26] @lucianvega: cuz it fills gastro
  371. [19:18:40] @lucianvega: checks vileplume and shiftry for team
  372. [19:18:41] #Earth: turtke
  373. [19:18:44] #Earth: *turtle
  374. [19:18:45] #Earth: trick
  375. [19:18:45] @lucianvega: and psychic types x]
  376. [19:18:46] #Earth: gg
  377. [19:18:47] @Based TurtleHD: we do need something that switches into grass lures
  378. [19:18:57] @lucianvega: skuntank checks
  379. [19:19:03] @Based TurtleHD: yeah but then rotom loses to swellow earth
  380. [19:19:05] #Earth: i think that skuntank is our best choice rn
  381. [19:19:05] @Based TurtleHD: if it tricks
  382. [19:19:08] @lucianvega: also black sludge is best set for defog
  383. [19:19:24] @Based TurtleHD: we going physical defog?
  384. [19:19:27] @lucianvega: anyways guys what we need in 2 last slots is
  385. [19:19:28] #Earth: n
  386. [19:19:29] #Earth: thats so bad
  387. [19:19:34] @lucianvega: rocker and fighting resist,ice resist too
  388. [19:19:35] +AaronDeGamor3.0: http://pastebin.com/Mamp67dK best set ever right here
  389. [19:19:35] #Earth: physical defog
  390. [19:19:46] @Based TurtleHD: then go ebelt
  391. [19:20:04] @Based TurtleHD: rototiller. why is that a move
  392. [19:20:09] +AaronDeGamor3.0: idek
  393. [19:20:19] +AaronDeGamor3.0: work up for grass types
  394. [19:20:21] @lucianvega: !ds thick fat,al
  395. [19:20:21] 'al' could not be found in any of the search categories.
  396. [19:20:27] #Earth: u cant broadcast
  397. [19:20:27] #Earth: all
  398. [19:20:30] @lucianvega: you can
  399. [19:20:31] @lucianvega: lol
  400. [19:20:33] @lucianvega: in groupchats
  401. [19:20:34] #Earth: !ds thick fat, all
  402. [19:20:34] Azumarill, Azurill, Dewgong, Grumpig, Hariyama, Makuhita, Mamoswine, Marill, Miltank, Munchlax, Pignite, Piloswine, Purugly, Sealeo, Seel, Snorlax, Spheal, Spoink, Swinub, Tepig, Venusaur-Mega, Walrein
  403. [19:20:36] #Earth: oh
  404. [19:20:40] @lucianvega: yea
  405. [19:20:40] #Earth: didnt know that!
  406. [19:20:43] +AaronDeGamor3.0: TEPIG XD
  407. [19:20:45] @lucianvega: !
  408. [19:20:50] #Earth: !ds thick fat, nu|pu|nfe, all
  409. [19:20:50] Dewgong, Grumpig, Hariyama, Marill, Miltank, Pignite, Piloswine, Purugly, Sealeo, Walrein
  410. [19:20:50] MARCU5theBAW5: use growth so that if another grass type is tryna switch in it wont get boosted by rotolier
  411. [19:20:59] +AaronDeGamor3.0: true MARCU5theBAW5
  412. [19:21:01] #Earth: ~ws team
  413. [19:21:01] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro
  414. [19:21:07] @lucianvega: anyways bois looks like piloswine fits ok
  415. [19:21:12] @lucianvega: ice resist rocker
  416. [19:21:17] #Earth: ~ws add defog skuntank
  417. [19:21:17] @BB-8-NU: defog skuntank added
  418. [19:21:18] @lucianvega: but then again
  419. [19:21:41] @lucianvega: i need to check what we need for team yet
  420. [19:22:12] @Based TurtleHD: rn an ice resist
  421. [19:22:23] @lucianvega: normal check,pyroar check,fighting check,scyther check
  422. [19:22:25] @Based TurtleHD: as well as a normal resist
  423. [19:22:27] @lucianvega: is whats left
  424. [19:22:36] #Earth: uh
  425. [19:22:39] #Earth: hmmm
  426. [19:22:41] @lucianvega: if we put piloswine ,it checks archeops,vivillon
  427. [19:22:43] @lucianvega: ice types
  428. [19:23:06] @lucianvega: but theres no fire/normal/fight checks in 1
  429. [19:23:28] +AaronDeGamor3.0: would +1 malamar with tanga berry get one shot by scyther?
  430. [19:23:34] @lucianvega: no
  431. [19:23:41] @lucianvega: dont use that set
  432. [19:23:47] @Based TurtleHD: lol
  433. [19:24:03] @Based TurtleHD: lucian regirock might not be bad here
  434. [19:24:17] @lucianvega: whats an ice fighting resist tho,it doesnt exist
  435. [19:24:36] @lucianvega: whenever im finishing team, i look which pokemon fits in pairs, not 1 by 1
  436. [19:24:42] #Earth: grumpig!
  437. [19:24:54] @Based TurtleHD: ^
  438. [19:24:56] @lucianvega: id agree with that if it had recovery and base 90 defense
  439. [19:25:02] #Earth: :/
  440. [19:25:12] +AaronDeGamor3.0: grumpig or bust
  441. [19:25:14] @lucianvega: not only that,but we need a malamar check
  442. [19:25:18] #Earth: bust?
  443. [19:25:22] +AaronDeGamor3.0: nvm
  444. [19:25:43] #Earth: yeah maybe we should drop something then
  445. [19:25:52] #Earth: we have way too much shits to check
  446. [19:25:53] @lucianvega: i have a similar team to this
  447. [19:25:56] #Earth: ~ws team
  448. [19:25:57] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro / defog skuntank
  449. [19:26:20] @Based TurtleHD: what does gastro do for us?
  450. [19:26:21] MARCU5theBAW5: i have an altaria team but its from when it initially dropped to nu
  451. [19:26:32] @lucianvega: i dont think droping any of these defensive core would help the tea
  452. [19:26:34] @lucianvega: team*
  453. [19:26:45] @lucianvega: well i have altaria team too but i dont like it at all
  454. [19:26:53] @lucianvega: altaria tauros hariyama steelix mantine weezing
  455. [19:27:05] @Based TurtleHD: also can we replace skunk?
  456. [19:27:06] @lucianvega: so olddd
  457. [19:27:22] @lucianvega: i mean Based TurtleHD
  458. [19:27:26] #Earth: got any idea quziel ?
  459. [19:27:26] @lucianvega: its either skuntank or weezing here
  460. [19:27:37] @lucianvega: and skuntank provies more
  461. [19:27:39] @Based TurtleHD: then drop gastro?
  462. [19:27:42] @quziel: I mean, lapras > gastro solves a few problems
  463. [19:27:42] @lucianvega: uh
  464. [19:27:46] @lucianvega: nah
  465. [19:27:53] @lucianvega: then kabutops check becomes X
  466. [19:28:07] @lucianvega: and rocks weaknesses becomes huge
  467. [19:29:13] @lucianvega: is there any ice resist/fighting check in one?
  468. [19:29:19] @lucianvega: except grumpig
  469. [19:29:23] @lucianvega: ice resist/rocker in one as well
  470. [19:29:28] @Based TurtleHD: not outside of grumpig no
  471. [19:29:41] @lucianvega: because we will need to choose eithe rof those
  472. [19:29:41] #Earth: uh
  473. [19:29:44] @lucianvega: either of*
  474. [19:29:44] #Earth: as a
  475. [19:29:48] #Earth: an ice rest rocker
  476. [19:29:49] @Based TurtleHD: and ice resist rocker would be either camel or pilo
  477. [19:29:51] @lucianvega: first thing we will do is
  478. [19:29:55] #Earth: !dt prinplup
  479. [19:29:55] /data-pokemon Prinplup
  480. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 394&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 0.8 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 23 kg <em>(40 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> Blue&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Water 1, Field&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Evolution:</font> Empoleon (36)</font>
  481. [19:29:56] @lucianvega: list stealth rockers and ice resists
  482. [19:29:58] @quziel: tbh, I don't know why skunk was chosen as the rocker
  483. [19:29:58] #Earth: altho freeze dry
  484. [19:30:04] @lucianvega: na dont put that lol
  485. [19:30:09] @quziel: swellow/alt eat grass types
  486. [19:30:12] @Based TurtleHD: !ds rapid spin nu,pu
  487. [19:30:12] 'rapid spin nu' could not be found in any of the search categories.
  488. [19:30:19] @lucianvega: swellow altaria doesnt lol
  489. [19:30:20] @lucianvega: man
  490. [19:30:23] @Based TurtleHD: !ds rapid spin ,nu, pu
  491. [19:30:23] No Pok&eacute;mon found.
  492. [19:30:26] @lucianvega: whats your shiftry check
  493. [19:30:32] #Earth: nu|pu
  494. [19:30:34] @lucianvega: swellow and altaria definitely arent
  495. [19:30:47] @quziel: w/e
  496. [19:30:50] @Based TurtleHD: !ds rapid spin, nu|pu
  497. [19:30:50] Armaldo, Avalugg, Claydol, Cryogonal, Delibird, Hitmonchan, Kabutops, Sandslash, Smeargle, Spinda, Torkoal
  498. [19:31:05] @lucianvega: ok il look up rockers and ice resists in one
  499. [19:31:05] #Earth: ah quz left
  500. [19:31:06] +AaronDeGamor3.0: SPINDA XD
  501. [19:31:06] #Earth: rip
  502. [19:31:08] @lucianvega: metang is first
  503. [19:31:18] @lucianvega: ice resist and normall check,also rocker in 1
  504. [19:31:33] @Based TurtleHD: that could work
  505. [19:31:44] @lucianvega: i really dont like metang
  506. [19:31:45] @lucianvega: tho
  507. [19:31:46] @Based TurtleHD: except it still loses to tauros
  508. [19:31:48] #Earth: me neither
  509. [19:31:50] #Earth: but o well
  510. [19:32:08] @lucianvega: i usualy never run passive things as metang
  511. [19:32:19] @lucianvega: but looking at us already having psychic check it may work
  512. [19:32:32] @lucianvega: and it counters jynx and friends
  513. [19:32:36] @lucianvega: then theres bronzor
  514. [19:32:42] #Earth: alright, lets go for metang imo
  515. [19:32:48] #Earth: bronzor is cool b/c levitate
  516. [19:32:50] @lucianvega: lemme double check once more
  517. [19:32:57] @lucianvega: in case theres a better option
  518. [19:33:15] @kipup: sorry i had to go for a sec
  519. [19:33:19] @kipup: whats the team?
  520. [19:33:27] #Earth: ~ws team
  521. [19:33:27] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro / defog skuntank
  522. [19:33:37] +AaronDeGamor3.0: bronzor is RU Earth
  523. [19:33:41] @lucianvega: ok so which mons did i list?
  524. [19:33:44] #Earth: n
  525. [19:33:49] #Earth: bronzong is
  526. [19:33:50] #Earth: !dt bronzor
  527. [19:33:50] /data-pokemon Bronzor
  528. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 436&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 0.5 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 60.5 kg <em>(80 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> Green&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Mineral&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Evolution:</font> Bronzong (33)</font>
  529. [19:33:56] #Earth: !dt bronzong
  530. [19:33:56] /data-pokemon Bronzong
  531. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Dex#:</font> 437&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Height:</font> 1.3 m&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Weight:</font> 187 kg <em>(100 BP)</em>&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Dex Colour:</font> Green&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Egg Group(s):</font> Mineral&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Does Not Evolve</font></font>
  532. [19:33:56] +AaronDeGamor3.0: oh shit nvm
  533. [19:33:59] @lucianvega: id go with bronzor only cuz its heat
  534. [19:34:02] @kipup: is the skunk physical or special?
  535. [19:34:06] @lucianvega: but then again its not nice example of a pokemon
  536. [19:34:06] #Earth: special defog
  537. [19:34:09] @lucianvega: to run in NU
  538. [19:34:09] @Based TurtleHD: special
  539. [19:34:49] @kipup: so dpulse, defog, sludge bomb, fblast?
  540. [19:34:55] @lucianvega: n
  541. [19:34:55] @Based TurtleHD: yeah
  542. [19:35:00] @lucianvega: acid spray dark pulse fire blast defog
  543. [19:35:05] @kipup: gotcha
  544. [19:35:23] @kipup: whats the EVs?
  545. [19:35:27] @kipup: sorry im so behind
  546. [19:35:29] @lucianvega: im pretty confident acid spray should be standard on analysis in future
  547. [19:35:34] @lucianvega: 148 speed max spat rest in spdef
  548. [19:36:27] @kipup: gracias
  549. [19:36:30] @kipup: so what do we ned now?
  550. [19:36:34] @lucianvega: anyways
  551. [19:36:44] @lucianvega: we need a fighting check after we decide on rocker
  552. [19:37:08] @lucianvega: if we went tauros over swellow, Zard for last and metang for 5th dat would be cool
  553. [19:37:15] @lucianvega: havin some speed here
  554. [19:37:18] #Earth: we can still do that js
  555. [19:37:22] @lucianvega: ik
  556. [19:37:32] @lucianvega: tauros is also benefiting from altaria nbreaking steel types
  557. [19:37:44] @lucianvega: and ice weakness woudlnt be prominent
  558. [19:38:19] @Based TurtleHD: i like that a lot actually
  559. [19:38:20] MARCU5theBAW5: ~ws team
  560. [19:38:24] @lucianvega: yeah
  561. [19:38:33] @lucianvega: im talking about 248 hp zard
  562. [19:38:38] @lucianvega: wisp one
  563. [19:38:43] @Based TurtleHD: yeah bulky
  564. [19:38:58] @Based TurtleHD: although then we rely really heavily on skunk
  565. [19:39:00] @lucianvega: so between gastro,altaria and zard we have more than enough fire checks
  566. [19:39:08] @lucianvega: na,only thing that relies on skuntank is zard
  567. [19:39:15] @lucianvega: altaria is used early game
  568. [19:39:17] MARCU5theBAW5 was promoted to Room Voice by Earth.
  569. [19:39:20] #Earth: u should be able to do it now
  570. [19:39:56] +AaronDeGamor3.0: ~ws team
  571. [19:39:56] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro / defog skuntank
  572. [19:39:57] #Earth: ~ws team
  573. [19:39:57] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / specs swellow / gastro / defog skuntank
  574. [19:40:02] @kipup: altaria is pretty much to blow things wide open
  575. [19:40:03] @lucianvega: what do you guys think about bronzor lel
  576. [19:40:05] #Earth: ~ws delete specs swellow
  577. [19:40:06] @BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: delete specs swellow
  578. [19:40:17] #Earth: ok
  579. [19:40:32] @lucianvega: oh wait
  580. [19:40:35] @lucianvega: we are weak to malamar
  581. [19:40:38] +AaronDeGamor3.0: bronzor is the frisbee of tomorrow
  582. [19:40:44] @lucianvega: please malamar go into RU already
  583. [19:40:57] @lucianvega: its annoying to have hard checks for it on every team
  584. [19:40:59] #Earth: lucian are we confirming the changes that you suggested earlier? it looks better tbh
  585. [19:41:03] @lucianvega: ye ik
  586. [19:41:09] @lucianvega: altough malamar looks cancer
  587. [19:41:25] #Earth: ~ws delete, specs swellow
  588. [19:41:25] @BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: delete, specs swellow
  589. [19:41:32] #Earth: sigh how do u do it
  590. [19:41:35] +MARCU5theBAW5: remove?
  591. [19:41:36] +AaronDeGamor3.0: Earth I got dis XD
  592. [19:41:40] @lucianvega: idk the commands rip
  593. [19:41:44] +MARCU5theBAW5: ~commands
  594. [19:41:45] @BB-8-NU: Read about commands here: https://github.com/QuiteQuiet/PokemonShowdownBot/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
  595. [19:41:49] +AaronDeGamor3.0: ~ws remove specs swellow
  596. [19:41:50] @BB-8-NU: Only the workshop host or a Room Moderator can remove Pokemon
  597. [19:41:50] #Earth: ~ws remove specs swellow
  598. [19:41:50] @BB-8-NU: specs swellow removed
  599. [19:41:53] #Earth: o yeah ty
  600. [19:41:57] #Earth: ~ws add tauros
  601. [19:41:57] @BB-8-NU: tauros added
  602. [19:42:10] @lucianvega: like,i never use malamar,only thing it does is limiting builds
  603. [19:42:17] #Earth: ~ws team
  604. [19:42:17] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / gastro / defog skuntank / tauros
  605. [19:42:29] @lucianvega: does SD zard beat malamar 1v1?
  606. [19:42:32] #Earth: we're adding zard?
  607. [19:42:36] #Earth: uh, im not sure
  608. [19:42:54] +MARCU5theBAW5: it seems like it'd take a while for malamar to ko it
  609. [19:43:05] @lucianvega: ye
  610. [19:43:23] @lucianvega: we can always run clear smog gastro but then again thats pretty annoying
  611. [19:43:28] @lucianvega: getting knocked off
  612. [19:43:33] #Earth: yeah malamar is fucking annoying
  613. [19:43:35] @lucianvega: oh
  614. [19:43:47] +AaronDeGamor3.0: specially defensive eevee with eviolite oml XD
  615. [19:43:47] @lucianvega: does altaria learns
  616. [19:43:52] @lucianvega: nvm
  617. [19:44:07] @lucianvega: i was checking if moonblast on specs altaria would help
  618. [19:44:30] #Earth: hey why not?
  619. [19:44:34] @kipup: we can use pinsir as a rocker and malamar check
  620. [19:44:43] #Earth: i dislike pinsir
  621. [19:44:58] @lucianvega: lol and then we lose a normalresist
  622. [19:44:58] @kipup: moonblast would actually be great on altaria actually
  623. [19:45:10] @kipup: gets rid of malamar rly
  624. [19:45:12] #Earth: yh
  625. [19:45:21] #Earth: OR
  626. [19:45:23] @lucianvega: another anoying looking thing so far looks scyther
  627. [19:45:24] #Earth: GUYS
  628. [19:45:34] @kipup: im using that over dpulse as of now
  629. [19:45:38] @kipup: ?
  630. [19:45:38] #Earth: !learn altaria, power swap
  631. [19:45:38] In Gen 6, Altaria can learn Power Swap only when obtained from:gen 4 egg: natu, natu, swablu, xatu, ...gen 5 egg: natu, natu, swablu, xatu, ...gen 6 egg: altaria
  632. [19:45:47] #Earth: !dt power swap
  633. [19:45:47] /data-move Power Swap
  634. |raw|<font size="1"><font color="#686868">Priority:</font> 0&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Gen:</font> 4&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;&#10003; Bypasses Substitutes&nbsp;|&ThickSpace;<font color="#686868">Target:</font> One Adjacent Pokémon</font>
  635. [19:45:59] @lucianvega: ye ik thats cool but then LO set
  636. [19:46:02] #Earth: yeah
  637. [19:46:06] #Earth: :[
  638. [19:46:09] @lucianvega: poewr swap draco fire blast roost is the set
  639. [19:46:15] #Earth: yh
  640. [19:46:17] #Earth: its cool ac
  641. [19:46:21] #Earth: af*
  642. [19:46:26] #Earth: but ye we using specs alty
  643. [19:46:28] #Earth: so rip
  644. [19:46:42] @kipup: i wanna run specs but LO is prolly better for malamar
  645. [19:46:53] @kipup: I like the moonblast still tbh
  646. [19:46:59] @Based TurtleHD: lo power swap draco O_o
  647. [19:47:05] #Earth: i think that we should just go for
  648. [19:47:10] #Earth: moonblast
  649. [19:47:16] #Earth: ~ws add zard
  650. [19:47:16] @BB-8-NU: zard added
  651. [19:47:18] #Earth: ~ws team
  652. [19:47:18] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / gastro / defog skuntank / tauros / zard
  653. [19:47:25] @lucianvega: lets take a look once more
  654. [19:47:25] @Based TurtleHD: but that contrary draco
  655. [19:47:26] +AaronDeGamor3.0: specially defensive eevee with careful nature max spdef eviolite hits 377 spdef 0.o
  656. [19:47:34] @lucianvega: AaronDeGamor3.0
  657. [19:47:35] #Earth: rofl
  658. [19:47:43] @kipup: whats the zard item and evs and set lol
  659. [19:47:49] @lucianvega: you already did this
  660. [19:47:50] @Based TurtleHD: no item
  661. [19:47:52] #Earth: no item
  662. [19:47:53] @lucianvega: dont be so random
  663. [19:47:54] #Earth: bumky one
  664. [19:48:02] @lucianvega: yea its max speed jolly zard
  665. [19:48:08] @Based TurtleHD: wisp roost acro
  666. [19:48:12] #Earth: sd
  667. [19:49:00] @kipup: and the? evs were
  668. [19:49:07] +MARCU5theBAW5: max hp and speed?
  669. [19:49:07] @lucianvega: its 248 hp 252 sped jolly
  670. [19:49:21] @lucianvega: is there any pure steel type not weak to ice and checks scyther
  671. [19:49:40] +AaronDeGamor3.0: klinklang?
  672. [19:49:53] @lucianvega: probopass sadly isnt a good normal check ,
  673. [19:50:08] +MARCU5theBAW5: steelix? but it still dies to ice moves
  674. [19:50:16] @lucianvega: registeel would be perfect over metang
  675. [19:50:18] @lucianvega: if it was here
  676. [19:50:44] +AaronDeGamor3.0: spdef klinklang is decent imo
  677. [19:51:00] @lucianvega: that doesnt help at all and it doesnt provide rocks
  678. [19:51:10] @lucianvega: zard somehow checks scyther
  679. [19:52:31] #Earth: do we rly need a scyther check since we have zard
  680. [19:52:41] @lucianvega: do you consider zard a scyther check?
  681. [19:52:53] +MARCU5theBAW5: that depends on if rocks are up or not
  682. [19:53:25] #Earth: yh not really
  683. [19:53:56] +MARCU5theBAW5: regirock or rhydon maybe?
  684. [19:54:09] @lucianvega: is there any rocker+ fighting resist?
  685. [19:54:10] +erisia: hoi
  686. [19:54:12] @lucianvega: except mesprit
  687. [19:54:13] #Earth: hi erisia
  688. [19:54:14] @lucianvega: olaaa erisia
  689. [19:54:17] erisia was promoted to Room Moderator by Earth.
  690. [19:54:18] #Earth: help us
  691. [19:54:20] #Earth: ~ws team
  692. [19:54:20] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / gastro / defog skuntank / tauros / zard
  693. [19:54:31] @erisia: another specs altaria team lol
  694. [19:54:39] @lucianvega: what do u think of
  695. [19:54:40] @lucianvega: piloswine
  696. [19:54:47] @lucianvega: or aurorus
  697. [19:54:51] @erisia: aurorus imo
  698. [19:54:55] @lucianvega: yeh
  699. [19:55:00] @erisia: pretty good casual normal resist
  700. [19:55:01] @lucianvega: good syther check
  701. [19:55:05] @erisia: +ice resist
  702. [19:55:12] @lucianvega: but then again
  703. [19:55:13] @lucianvega: we can add shuca berry
  704. [19:55:19] @lucianvega: or somethin
  705. [19:55:26] @erisia: or just sash lead since you have defog skunk
  706. [19:55:30] @lucianvega: indeed
  707. [19:55:44] @lucianvega: yea id say go aurorus, but the one without snow warning
  708. [19:55:51] #Earth: ya
  709. [19:55:57] #Earth: ~ws add sash lead aurorus
  710. [19:55:58] @BB-8-NU: sash lead aurorus added
  711. [19:55:58] @lucianvega: gastrodon wallss everything anyway lel
  712. [19:56:04] @erisia: hmmmm
  713. [19:56:12] @erisia: what about t-wave aurorus
  714. [19:56:12] @lucianvega: evades 2 ko from tauros,archeops
  715. [19:56:15] #Earth: ~ws team
  716. [19:56:15] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / gastro / defog skuntank / tauros / zard / sash lead aurorus
  717. [19:56:17] @lucianvega: sure man thats fine
  718. [19:56:25] @erisia: ah but not really enough moveslots
  719. [19:56:27] @lucianvega: rocks twave hyper voice freeze dry
  720. [19:56:40] @erisia: I guess gastrodon is ground coverage
  721. [19:56:49] @lucianvega: gastro is wall to everything x]
  722. [19:57:14] @lucianvega: im pretty worried about iron tail tauros
  723. [19:57:23] @erisia: !learn stealth rock, nu
  724. [19:57:23] |html|<div class="message-error">Pokémon &apos;stealthrock&apos; not found.</div>
  725. [19:57:35] @erisia: !learn stealth rock, nu, all
  726. [19:57:35] |html|<div class="message-error">Pokémon &apos;stealthrock&apos; not found.</div>
  727. [19:57:43] @erisia: ugh lag
  728. [19:57:47] @lucianvega: and at this point half team dies to stone miss
  729. [19:57:48] +MARCU5theBAW5: !ds rocks, nu
  730. [19:57:48] Sandslash, Rhydon, Pinsir, Omastar, Kabutops, Steelix, Piloswine, Smeargle, Miltank, Aggron, and 11 more. Redo the search with 'all' as a search parameter to show all results.
  731. [19:57:55] @lucianvega: !ds stealth rock,nu,all
  732. [19:57:55] Aggron, Archeops, Aurorus, Barbaracle, Claydol, Cradily, Ferroseed, Golurk, Kabutops, Kecleon, Mesprit, Miltank, Omastar, Piloswine, Pinsir, Regirock, Rhydon, Sandslash, Smeargle, Steelix, Torterra
  733. [19:57:58] #Earth: rest or stalk
  734. [19:58:01] #Earth: on alt
  735. [19:58:03] @lucianvega: !ds stealth rock,pu,all
  736. [19:58:03] Armaldo, Bastiodon, Bibarel, Camerupt, Carbink, Clefairy, Corsola, Crustle, Dunsparce, Gabite, Gigalith, Golem, Lunatone, Magcargo, Marowak, Mawile, Metang, Monferno, Pawniard, Prinplup, Probopass, Rampardos, Relicanth, Solrock, Stunfisk, Sudowoodo, Torkoal, Wigglytuff, Wormadam-Sandy, Wormadam-Trash
  737. [19:58:08] @lucianvega: ok so
  738. [19:58:08] @erisia: what about thick fat miltank
  739. [19:58:21] @kipup: i say miltank>aurorus
  740. [19:58:24] @lucianvega: physical thick fat cow could be fine
  741. [19:58:35] @erisia: sr / milk drink / body slam / heal bell imo
  742. [19:58:41] @lucianvega: indeed
  743. [19:58:42] @kipup: yup
  744. [19:58:54] @lucianvega: im just pretty afraid of stone miss at this point
  745. [19:59:13] @lucianvega: i think miltank kills momentum a bit
  746. [19:59:22] @erisia: it's pretty fast tbh
  747. [19:59:24] @lucianvega: but should be fine
  748. [19:59:30] @kipup: 236 speed isnt that bad
  749. [19:59:31] @erisia: faster than aurorus x_x
  750. [19:59:42] #Earth: ~ws remove sash lead aurorus
  751. [19:59:42] @lucianvega: altough hyper voice is really good
  752. [19:59:43] @BB-8-NU: sash lead aurorus removed
  753. [19:59:47] @lucianvega: we had metang
  754. [19:59:56] #Earth: ~ws add (cow)
  755. [20:00:04] @lucianvega: but both miltank and cow lose to scyther
  756. [20:00:04] @BB-8-NU: (cow) added
  757. [20:00:04] @kipup: ~ws team
  758. [20:00:04] #Earth: D:
  759. [20:00:05] @BB-8-NU: specs altaria / gastro / defog skuntank / tauros / zard / (cow)
  760. [20:00:06] @erisia: seems like we'd have to run a janky aurorus set for it to work properly
  761. [20:00:14] @lucianvega: yea
  762. [20:00:23] @lucianvega: lets slap registeel and call it a day x]
  763. [20:00:27] @erisia: and yet another SR weak
  764. [20:00:30] @Based TurtleHD: cow doesnt lose to scyther
  765. [20:00:38] @lucianvega: how does it not
  766. [20:00:43] @lucianvega: its a setup if no para
  767. [20:00:46] @Based TurtleHD: run physical
  768. [20:01:32] @Based TurtleHD: run seismic toss with helmet
  769. [20:01:34] @kipup: shall I put this into a hastebin and test?
  770. [20:01:40] @erisia: sure
  771. [20:01:43] #Earth: i'm doing the team rn
  772. [20:01:54] @kipup: im thinking personally lefties and body slam but
  773. [20:02:02] @kipup: helmet and seismic toss for sure works
  774. [20:02:12] @kipup: seismic toss is a lot more reliable
  775. [20:02:27] @kipup: or consistently reliable at the very least
  776. [20:02:32] @erisia: let me be the test opponent
  777. [20:03:17] @lucianvega: oh
  778. [20:03:20] @lucianvega: what do u guys think of
  779. [20:03:26] #Earth: http://hastebin.com/ohuhehezul.md kipup
  780. [20:03:29] @lucianvega: scarf rotom over tauros and pioloswine for rocker
  781. [20:03:40] @lucianvega: them typos
  782. [20:03:43] @kipup: hm
  783. [20:03:49] @kipup: its interesting
  784. [20:04:03] @kipup: I like piloswine t a certain degree
  785. [20:04:05] @lucianvega: since rotom gives normal immunity for offense
  786. [20:04:14] @lucianvega: and piloswineisnt that passive
  787. [20:04:24] #Earth: that sounds
  788. [20:04:29] #Earth: cool
  789. [20:04:29] @kipup: I can go with rotom over tauros, but I like miltank more than pilo
  790. [20:04:33] #Earth: or we could
  791. [20:04:41] @lucianvega: i think piloswine deals a lot better than vivilon
  792. [20:04:44] @kipup: because miltank has reliable recovery
  793. [20:04:44] @lucianvega: to*
  794. [20:04:45] #Earth: have 2 versions of the team anyways?
  795. [20:04:51] @lucianvega: yea we can
  796. [20:04:52] @lucianvega: lol
  797. [20:05:18] #Earth: lets go for it imo
  798. [20:05:23] @lucianvega: also scarf rotom can run signal bean
  799. [20:05:25] @erisia: fite me irl
  800. [20:05:29] @lucianvega: so between altarias moonblast
  801. [20:05:32] @lucianvega: rotom signal beam
  802. [20:05:34] @lucianvega: SD zard
  803. [20:05:38] @lucianvega: clear smog gastro
  804. [20:05:44] @lucianvega: i think its fine vs it
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