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  1. Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
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  5. To: "Clo Shivnan" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
  6. Subject: Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
  7. From: "Don Greenlaw" <[email protected]>
  8. Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:33:58 -0800
  9. Authentication-results: cox.net; none
  10. Cc: "sandy damitz" <[email protected]>
  11. References: <> <79443539.845115.1326558027920.JavaMail.root@sz0060a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <[email protected]>
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  15. Clo & Bill: I don't think the gent in question
  16. is stupid enough to do what is
  17. outlined below, although there
  18. is no telling. He did a great injustice
  19. to the Pendleton 8 in Nov '07, when he
  20. sounded off to the press. At that time,
  21. he had 3 other fine Marines from the
  22. Pendleton 8 squad discharged with
  23. General Discharges, which they didn't
  24. deserve. They should have received
  25. Honorable Discharges. If I were the
  26. parent of any of those Pendleton 8
  27. Marines, now would be a good time
  28. to show up at CamPen and request
  29. an audience with this gent.
  30.  
  31. Semper fi,
  32. Don Greenlaw
  33.  
  34. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clo Shivnan
  35. To: [email protected]
  36. Cc: Don Greenlaw ; sandy damitz
  37. Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:43 AM
  38. Subject: Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
  39.  
  40.  
  41. Hi Bill,
  42.  
  43.  
  44. I thought the same thing when I heard that Mabus was going to be presenting the award, too suspicious and coincidental. My theory on coincidences - they take quite a lot of planning!
  45.  
  46.  
  47. I have a sick feeling in my gut that Mabus will casually pay a visit to the Command ares of those Marines sitting on the jury and have a "little talk" with their CO's, not to mention meeting with the Judge and persecution trying Franks case just to how their career paths are going. There is no reason for the case against Wuterich to go forward and yet it is, which makes no sense what soever so then the motive has to be political and thus at Pentagon or State.
  48.  
  49. LCpl Hogan was in 1/5. We will see how the verdict goes for Wuterich.
  50.  
  51.  
  52. Also, Lt Gen Waldheuser, Camp Pendleton based, is leading up the investigation on Pee Gate. News reports said that the Marines involved are lawyering up and refuse to talk to NCIS - wise decisions on their part.
  53.  
  54.  
  55. There is not enough perfume to be worn that can cover up the stench of injustice or UCI.
  56.  
  57. Slainte,
  58. Clo
  59.  
  60.  
  61.  
  62. The definition of Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
  63.  
  64.  
  65.  
  66.  
  67. From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
  68. To: [email protected]
  69.  
  70. Cc: sandy damitz <[email protected]>; Don Greenlaw <[email protected]>
  71. Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:20 AM
  72. Subject: Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
  73.  
  74.  
  75.  
  76. Hi Clo,
  77.  
  78.  
  79. Plus the SecNav has decided that Jan 17 (Tuesday) is the date for awarding the Navy Cross, posthumously, to the family of Lance Corporal Donald Hogan for his actions in August 2009. The ceremony will occur at Camp Pendleton while Wuetrich's trial is ongoing.
  80.  
  81.  
  82. I, too, am very cynical about the leadership of the Navy/Marine Corps in both the Haditha and Hamdaniya cases. The timing for Mabus to decide "show up" for the award (he personally wanted to do it, according to the article in the link below) is beyond suspicion. It's more evidence of the ongoing "thuggery" in Washington and senior military leaders/officers.
  83.  
  84.  
  85. http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-camp-pendleton-marine-hero-to-be-awarded-navy-cross/article_b7d0d7c6-f916-5f5f-ae06-051b4086b3ab.html
  86.  
  87.  
  88.  
  89. If the upcoming decision on Larry's case is not overturn for undue command influence (re: Mabus comments in January 2009) then there is not a UCMJ.
  90.  
  91. Bill
  92.  
  93.  
  94.  
  95.  
  96. From: "Don Greenlaw" <[email protected]>
  97. Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:30:32 AM
  98. Subject: Fw: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
  99.  
  100. Forwarded.
  101.  
  102. Semper fi,
  103. Don Greenlaw
  104.  
  105. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clo Shivnan
  106. To: Don Greenlaw
  107. Cc: sandy damitz ; frank albano
  108. Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:15 PM
  109. Subject: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s
  110.  
  111.  
  112. Hi Don,
  113.  
  114. Re NC Times article by Rick Rogers:
  115. In observing the Wuterich Cout Martial I have pondered much the same as
  116. Rogers calls out. As a civilian I also question how the 8 male jurors can
  117. reach a fair and impartial decision on Frank's case. Knowing what we know
  118. now about the SOFA talks, playing heavily on the sentences of Hutchins,
  119.  
  120. Behena and trial of Wuterich, how do we know that the current jurors will do
  121. the right thing and make a decision based on the facts and evidence
  122.  
  123. presented, and not succumb to political pressure and make an example out of
  124. Wuterich. The stench of Undue Command Influence has been all over the
  125. Hamdania and Haditha cases and that stench still lingers today. I wish I
  126.  
  127. had some faith in the UCMJ but I don't, the 8 jurors may render the Wuterich verdict but I feel the decision (influence) on which way to vote comes from
  128. DC.
  129.  
  130. Coloring my synical view is the "timing" of the release of the Pee Gate
  131. video of Marines from 3/2 showering some dead insurgents. The 3/2 Marines
  132.  
  133. have been back in US for some time, some are even out of the Corps, but yet this video is "released" Wednesday. Tell me this video and the backlash on
  134. the USMC will not influence a Wuterich decision, I double dog dare you :)
  135.  
  136.  
  137. Here's the article from NC TImes:
  138. http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/columnists/rogers/rogers-marine-corps-stuck-in-the-s/article_ab67b5f8-7253-5d8a-9e00-3a9df6005599.html
  139.  
  140. Slainte,
  141. Clo
  142.  
  143.  
  144. The definition of Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over but
  145. expecting different results.
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