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  1. [04/01/2013 14:55:59] *** Juan Calderón creó un chat grupal
  2. Ver chat grupal ***
  3. [08/01/2013 7:13:58] Juan Calderón: morning Chris
  4. [08/01/2013 7:14:06] Christopher Chia: Morning Juan
  5. [08/01/2013 7:14:59] Juan Calderón: can you write to Mr Kim that we accept the conditions
  6. [08/01/2013 7:15:01] Christopher Chia: By the way, I asked Mr Kim yesterday afternoon about M2 for Argentina and he said no.
  7. [08/01/2013 7:15:07] Juan Calderón: ok
  8. [08/01/2013 7:15:11] Juan Calderón: for PH then
  9. [08/01/2013 7:15:17] Christopher Chia: He said that Gameforge is the licensee for Argentina lol
  10. [08/01/2013 7:15:22] Juan Calderón: uh?
  11. [08/01/2013 7:15:32] Christopher Chia: Yes, I was surprise to hear that
  12. [08/01/2013 7:16:20] Christopher Chia: Secondly, he said that as we are an Asian office and have no presence in other part of the world, Ymir will not consider us for the license in those territory.
  13. [08/01/2013 7:16:40] Christopher Chia: About M2 PH, I'm still considering if we should move forward with the project having IP block.
  14. [08/01/2013 7:16:50] Juan Calderón: and whats GF presence in argentina lol
  15. [08/01/2013 7:17:26] Christopher Chia: Yesterday, I have told Tim and also asked him to tell Axel that both will be back under employment with Tec Interactive and I will back pay them for December. They will get 350 EURO for each month.
  16. [08/01/2013 7:18:45] Christopher Chia: As for you, I will pay you the same amount of 1600 SGD and will clear the outstanding owing to you for December onwards once the financial status of the company is back to normal from this month on.
  17. [08/01/2013 7:18:56] Christopher Chia: Jami salary will be the same at 500 Euro
  18. [08/01/2013 7:19:22] Juan Calderón: well
  19. [08/01/2013 7:19:36] Juan Calderón: I take the risk myself on PH
  20. [08/01/2013 7:19:39] Juan Calderón: not you
  21. [08/01/2013 7:20:32] Christopher Chia: The company has to undertake the risk as well because if it fails, I have to think of the worse case scenario to keep the company above the water financially having to continue with the monthly expenses.
  22. [08/01/2013 7:21:06] Juan Calderón: well Chris
  23. [08/01/2013 7:21:19] Juan Calderón: you raised the salary of Tom Tony and Cheryl in the last months
  24. [08/01/2013 7:21:29] Christopher Chia: No, only Cheryl
  25. [08/01/2013 7:21:38] Christopher Chia: Tom and Tony salary has been the same since a year ago
  26. [08/01/2013 7:21:43] Juan Calderón: you said its 745 euro now
  27. [08/01/2013 7:21:49] Christopher Chia: It is 1200 SGD
  28. [08/01/2013 7:22:03] Christopher Chia: I have been paying both of them for 1200 SGD even before Sevencore start
  29. [08/01/2013 7:22:14] Christopher Chia: I believe it was something early last year.
  30. [08/01/2013 7:22:23] Christopher Chia: Before that, they are getting 1000
  31. [08/01/2013 7:22:23] Juan Calderón: ah I see
  32. [08/01/2013 7:22:53] Juan Calderón: and what about the rest of people, if we cancel PH I have to fire them
  33. [08/01/2013 7:23:01] Juan Calderón: thats why I want to accept the IP block
  34. [08/01/2013 7:23:03] Juan Calderón: after all
  35. [08/01/2013 7:23:12] Juan Calderón: we trust on phillippines to fill the server
  36. [08/01/2013 7:23:19] Juan Calderón: and there are things we can do
  37. [08/01/2013 7:23:25] Juan Calderón: to prevent a global ip block
  38. [08/01/2013 7:23:52] Christopher Chia: The rest of the people referring to Angel, Jazmine, Myrto and Carlos?
  39. [08/01/2013 7:24:01] Juan Calderón: Jazmin and Angel mostly
  40. [08/01/2013 7:24:23] Juan Calderón: Jazmin is probably the most commited person in the team
  41. [08/01/2013 7:24:32] Juan Calderón: and Angel just ask 170 euro/month
  42. [08/01/2013 7:24:41] Christopher Chia: But are you sure that you want to invest in something where knowingly there is a big risk that it may fail and eventually still not able to hire them on long term?
  43. [08/01/2013 7:25:11] Christopher Chia: You have to think carefully bro
  44. [08/01/2013 7:25:12] Juan Calderón: I dont believe it would fail.
  45. [08/01/2013 7:25:35] Christopher Chia: Coz if your intention is just to secure them, you have to calculate your risk at the end of the day
  46. [08/01/2013 7:25:51] Juan Calderón: We were all very excited about it
  47. [08/01/2013 7:26:36] Christopher Chia: Ralph seems to have done something wrong with the rebooting
  48. [08/01/2013 7:26:41] Christopher Chia: Maybe u can help him out
  49. [08/01/2013 7:27:48] Christopher Chia: If you really insist that you want to take up M2 PH, I will send a mail to Mr Kim now and cc to you
  50. [08/01/2013 7:28:01] Juan Calderón: and the cost of hiring Jazmin, Angie and Angel is very low
  51. [08/01/2013 7:28:22] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, please send me the sales for Sevencore later. One which is for gross sales and one which is for iCash only
  52. [08/01/2013 7:28:28] Juan Calderón: december?
  53. [08/01/2013 7:28:32] Christopher Chia: Yes
  54. [08/01/2013 7:28:34] Juan Calderón: btw
  55. [08/01/2013 7:28:38] Juan Calderón: you can ask Harris too
  56. [08/01/2013 7:28:42] Christopher Chia: I have to prepare the sales report to Noria and IAH
  57. [08/01/2013 7:28:44] Juan Calderón: ok
  58. [08/01/2013 7:28:44] Christopher Chia: Ah
  59. [08/01/2013 7:28:54] Christopher Chia: Maybe for this month I will still get it from you
  60. [08/01/2013 7:29:02] Christopher Chia: I mean for December
  61. [08/01/2013 7:29:12] Christopher Chia: For January onwards will get it from Harris
  62. [08/01/2013 7:30:33] Christopher Chia: Ralph is asking something to you :)
  63. [08/01/2013 7:37:30] *** Juan Calderón envió sc_icash_purchase_log_december2012.xls ***
  64. [08/01/2013 7:37:37] *** Juan Calderón envió sc_purchase_log_december2012.xls ***
  65. [08/01/2013 7:38:24] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  66. [08/01/2013 7:38:36] Christopher Chia: I'm writing the mail to Mr Kim now and cc u on the mail.
  67. [08/01/2013 7:38:40] Juan Calderón: allright
  68. [08/01/2013 7:41:20] Juan Calderón: do not pay me as we are going ahead with PH but since we have an outstanding debt atm, please proceed to pay Jazmin Angel and Razelle
  69. [08/01/2013 7:41:49] Christopher Chia: Sure but please let them know that the payment will be delayed slightly
  70. [08/01/2013 7:41:56] Juan Calderón: ok
  71. [08/01/2013 7:42:00] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  72. [08/01/2013 7:42:02] Juan Calderón: do you know the amounts?
  73. [08/01/2013 7:42:23] Christopher Chia: I suggest u send me a mail on the respective amount for them
  74. [08/01/2013 7:42:27] Juan Calderón: ok
  75. [08/01/2013 7:42:36] Christopher Chia: As for Jazmine, I think I have already paid her on Paypal
  76. [08/01/2013 7:42:41] Christopher Chia: Please check with her on this
  77. [08/01/2013 7:45:35] Juan Calderón: yes but that was for november
  78. [08/01/2013 7:49:48] Christopher Chia: I see
  79. [08/01/2013 7:50:02] Juan Calderón: ok mail sent
  80. [08/01/2013 7:50:21] Juan Calderón: Myrto won't continue and Carlos will get paid in TP for now
  81. [08/01/2013 7:57:14] Christopher Chia: Ok
  82. [08/01/2013 7:57:22] Christopher Chia: I have sent the mail to Mr Kim and Peter Kang
  83. [08/01/2013 7:57:27] Christopher Chia: Have also cc u in the mail
  84. [08/01/2013 7:57:43] Christopher Chia: I will ask Mr Kim to check the mail now on MSN and revert to us by tomorrow.
  85. [08/01/2013 8:02:59] Christopher Chia: Chia Christopher dit
  86. Hi Raphael, Good Afternoon.
  87. I have just sent you a mail regarding Metin2 Philippines.
  88. Our partner in Philippines is able to accept an IP block and wish to continue with the project
  89. ?? ? dit
  90. I see. Thank you for your effort. i will check the e-mail, and give you the feedback soon
  91. [08/01/2013 8:09:31] Juan Calderón: ty
  92. [08/01/2013 8:13:23] Christopher Chia: ?? ? dit
  93. Terms is ok with us. i will discuss with the president now and get ready the contract soon
  94.  
  95. Chia Christopher dit
  96. Great
  97. [08/01/2013 8:13:50] Juan Calderón: why is your msn in french lol
  98. [08/01/2013 8:13:56] Christopher Chia: Long story
  99. [08/01/2013 8:14:05] Christopher Chia: I updated to skype and MSN disappeared
  100. [08/01/2013 8:14:14] Christopher Chia: Went to google and there is only MSN download for French
  101. [08/01/2013 8:14:21] Christopher Chia: You can try it lol
  102. [08/01/2013 8:14:34] Christopher Chia: I think MSN download for English has been removed to prepare for skype
  103. [08/01/2013 8:15:22] Juan Calderón: ah
  104. [08/01/2013 8:15:24] Juan Calderón: okay
  105. [08/01/2013 8:18:47] Christopher Chia: Going for lunch now. brb
  106. [08/01/2013 8:18:56] Juan Calderón: enjoy
  107. [08/01/2013 9:01:11] Juan Calderón: GF just opened a server in Denmark
  108. [08/01/2013 9:01:25] Juan Calderón: Denmark is a rich and tiny country where MMO arent even popular
  109. [08/01/2013 9:01:39] Juan Calderón: if they can open a server there and make it profitable
  110. [08/01/2013 9:01:55] Juan Calderón: we can do it in Philippines as well which has 10 times the population
  111. [08/01/2013 9:02:22] Juan Calderón: and way more MMO gamers
  112. [08/01/2013 9:07:46] Christopher Chia: Ah
  113. [08/01/2013 9:08:06] Christopher Chia: That server is localised in Danish language?
  114. [08/01/2013 9:08:09] Juan Calderón: yep
  115. [08/01/2013 9:08:12] Christopher Chia: I see
  116. [08/01/2013 10:55:52] Christopher Chia: Juan, u there?
  117. [08/01/2013 10:56:18] Christopher Chia: After Ymir has replied about Metin2 PH, when do you intend to start the service?
  118. [08/01/2013 10:57:09] Christopher Chia: Secondly, who will pay for the hosting and the marketing? What would be the arrangement for profit share, etc? Would it be the same as previously?
  119. [08/01/2013 11:11:03] Juan Calderón: 1 mom
  120. [08/01/2013 11:19:30] Juan Calderón: Well ask you know we spent 2,700 euros in stuff that wasnt for PH and furthermore I haven't been paid yet I have been working for you all the time.
  121. [08/01/2013 11:19:42] Juan Calderón: I have to answer about these spendings so
  122. [08/01/2013 11:19:59] Juan Calderón: I am expecting that you can take care of the cost until we break even,
  123. [08/01/2013 11:20:05] Juan Calderón: thereafter we will pay for it
  124. [08/01/2013 11:21:02] Juan Calderón: regarding the hosting my idea is to use the same machine
  125. [08/01/2013 11:21:06] Christopher Chia: I'm afraid the company has no access for marketing cost or additional manpower to hire Jazmine and Angel.
  126. [08/01/2013 11:21:18] Juan Calderón: 2,700 euros Chris
  127. [08/01/2013 11:21:23] Christopher Chia: I can only take back Tim, Axel and Jami
  128. [08/01/2013 11:21:29] Christopher Chia: Yes, I received your email earlier
  129. [08/01/2013 11:21:47] Christopher Chia: I will settle those claims and check how much left from that debts
  130. [08/01/2013 11:22:07] Juan Calderón: when its settled we pay whatever cost is next
  131. [08/01/2013 11:22:20] Juan Calderón: I cant tell my family we spent 2,700 euros in nothing
  132. [08/01/2013 11:22:39] Juan Calderón: otherwise when they feel im wasting money they would withdraw from the project
  133. [08/01/2013 11:23:09] Christopher Chia: Alright, I will see if the company can settle the amount of 2700 by this month.
  134. [08/01/2013 11:23:24] Juan Calderón: if its not possible we can delay the launch
  135. [08/01/2013 11:23:25] Christopher Chia: Thereafter, we will discuss about M2 PH
  136. [08/01/2013 11:23:29] Christopher Chia: Sure
  137. [08/01/2013 11:23:43] Juan Calderón: but I have to justify whats being spent
  138. [08/01/2013 11:25:34] Christopher Chia: Ok
  139. [08/01/2013 11:28:46] Juan Calderón: what I propose is you handle the employment costs until the debt is settled, rather than send me the sum right away
  140. [08/01/2013 11:29:45] Christopher Chia: Alright to make it clear, i will settle the debts as stated in your mail. But for employment of Jazmine and Angel, I will not take it as Tec employment.
  141. [08/01/2013 11:29:54] Christopher Chia: Jazmine and Angel will be your sole responsibility.
  142. [08/01/2013 11:29:59] Juan Calderón: yes
  143. [08/01/2013 11:30:08] Christopher Chia: Once that payment has been settled, we discuss about M2 PH.
  144. [08/01/2013 11:30:16] Christopher Chia: I will tell Mr Kim to hold on to the contract
  145. [08/01/2013 11:30:31] Juan Calderón: With employment costs I mean anybody except Tim Axel and Jami
  146. [08/01/2013 11:30:52] Christopher Chia: Ok
  147. [08/01/2013 11:31:57] Juan Calderón: so to make it clear, if this month the cost of paying the people in the mail was 1000 euros (not sure didnt make the sum) you would still owe me 1,700 euro next month, and with this amount you would again pay their salaries, etc.
  148. [08/01/2013 11:32:26] Juan Calderón: until its settled
  149. [08/01/2013 11:32:32] Christopher Chia: Yes, I understand
  150. [08/01/2013 11:32:36] Juan Calderón: ok
  151. [08/01/2013 11:36:17] Juan Calderón: According to players the market has improved since we reduced 1 CH
  152. [08/01/2013 11:36:38] Christopher Chia: Ah
  153. [08/01/2013 11:36:46] Juan Calderón: some even suggested we removed ch3
  154. [08/01/2013 11:37:03] Juan Calderón: but we wont do that atm
  155. [08/01/2013 11:37:14] Juan Calderón: the CCU has increased as well
  156. [08/01/2013 11:39:01] Juan Calderón: I have started a developer diary post to showcase some of the features that are coming
  157. [08/01/2013 11:39:03] Juan Calderón: http://forum.metin2.sg/showthread.php?25171-Developer-Diary&goto=newpost
  158. [08/01/2013 11:40:10] Juan Calderón: also, thanks to the reduction, we can run PH in the same machine
  159. [08/01/2013 11:40:28] Christopher Chia: Ah
  160. [08/01/2013 11:42:33] Juan Calderón: Also, I have been analyzing the causes of the decrease in spending
  161. [08/01/2013 11:42:56] Juan Calderón: besides the bugged update, some decisions we took in the past were not good
  162. [08/01/2013 11:43:06] Juan Calderón: such as increasing the exp rate
  163. [08/01/2013 11:43:16] Juan Calderón: I was thinking about what you told me earlier
  164. [08/01/2013 11:43:25] Juan Calderón: about gamers preferring a quick levelup
  165. [08/01/2013 11:43:27] Juan Calderón: but Metin2
  166. [08/01/2013 11:43:33] Juan Calderón: does not have an endgame
  167. [08/01/2013 11:43:38] Juan Calderón: the fun is not to be 99
  168. [08/01/2013 11:43:42] Juan Calderón: its getting there
  169. [08/01/2013 11:43:56] Juan Calderón: being 99 is actually quite boring atm
  170. [08/01/2013 11:44:03] Juan Calderón: therefore,
  171. [08/01/2013 11:44:14] Juan Calderón: I will slowly reduce the exp rate by 1% daily
  172. [08/01/2013 11:44:22] Juan Calderón: until we get to the rates we had last year
  173. [08/01/2013 11:44:42] Juan Calderón: such a slow reduction will go unnoticed
  174. [08/01/2013 11:45:32] Christopher Chia: I see
  175. [08/01/2013 11:47:13] Juan Calderón: in retrospect,
  176. [08/01/2013 11:47:14] Christopher Chia: You will only block Korea and Germany for M2 PH?
  177. [08/01/2013 11:47:19] Juan Calderón: we made the game a bit too easy
  178. [08/01/2013 11:47:25] Christopher Chia: I thought it was suppose to be an official server?
  179. [08/01/2013 11:47:35] Juan Calderón: Yes it is.
  180. [08/01/2013 11:47:49] Juan Calderón: We are blocking the people who would be checking about the block.
  181. [08/01/2013 11:47:54] Juan Calderón: Which is Ymir and GF.
  182. [08/01/2013 11:48:12] Juan Calderón: They wont realize other countries are not blocked.
  183. [08/01/2013 11:48:13] Christopher Chia: Wouldn't Ymir or GF find out easily?
  184. [08/01/2013 11:48:36] Juan Calderón: if Germany is blocked GF employees cant login
  185. [08/01/2013 11:48:40] Juan Calderón: even if they do,
  186. [08/01/2013 11:48:48] Juan Calderón: they would see most people are asian
  187. [08/01/2013 11:49:03] Juan Calderón: our official position is that the game is only playable from SEA
  188. [08/01/2013 11:49:11] Juan Calderón: and thats what we will claim officially
  189. [08/01/2013 11:49:42] Juan Calderón: what happened with sg chris
  190. [08/01/2013 11:49:50] Juan Calderón: a GF employee logged in
  191. [08/01/2013 11:49:55] Juan Calderón: he saw he wasnt blocked
  192. [08/01/2013 11:50:06] Juan Calderón: and sent a complain to Ymir
  193. [08/01/2013 11:50:12] Juan Calderón: this wont happen now.
  194. [08/01/2013 11:50:33] Juan Calderón: GF doesnt have employees outside of Germany.
  195. [08/01/2013 11:50:45] Juan Calderón: just in case we could block UK as well.
  196. [08/01/2013 11:50:57] Juan Calderón: because theres Tempest and those assholes too
  197. [08/01/2013 11:51:25] Juan Calderón: you know who complained to Ymir?
  198. [08/01/2013 11:51:35] Juan Calderón: randy
  199. [08/01/2013 11:52:42] Christopher Chia: You did not tell me this was your plan
  200. [08/01/2013 11:53:01] Juan Calderón: in any case as I said, if GF can open a profitable server in Denmark, we can certainly do well with or without foreigners
  201. [08/01/2013 11:53:03] Christopher Chia: I thought we should have discuss it properly before speaking to Ymir.
  202. [08/01/2013 11:53:05] Juan Calderón: hmm
  203. [08/01/2013 11:53:11] Juan Calderón: well whats your idea then
  204. [08/01/2013 11:53:37] Juan Calderón: we had spoken already about the possibility
  205. [08/01/2013 11:53:42] Juan Calderón: of faking the ip block
  206. [08/01/2013 11:53:44] Christopher Chia: I thought you were against private server and wanted to do it right with Ip block.
  207. [08/01/2013 11:54:06] Juan Calderón: Of course we have an IP block
  208. [08/01/2013 11:54:06] Christopher Chia: Well, you were also against faking the IP block
  209. [08/01/2013 11:54:12] Juan Calderón: and its an official server
  210. [08/01/2013 11:54:21] Juan Calderón: but we arent going to block everything except SEA
  211. [08/01/2013 11:54:23] Juan Calderón: thats nuts
  212. [08/01/2013 11:54:30] Juan Calderón: Ymir only blocked the countries
  213. [08/01/2013 11:54:34] Juan Calderón: which had a GF server
  214. [08/01/2013 11:54:37] Juan Calderón: in SG
  215. [08/01/2013 11:55:02] Juan Calderón: why go even further than that when we can block Germany and GF wont know the rest isnt
  216. [08/01/2013 11:55:06] Juan Calderón: well
  217. [08/01/2013 11:55:13] Juan Calderón: I was against the whole IP block idea
  218. [08/01/2013 11:55:20] Juan Calderón: but two things made me reconsider...
  219. [08/01/2013 11:55:35] Juan Calderón: one of them is seeing this dk server...
  220. [08/01/2013 11:55:48] Juan Calderón: why cant we make a big server with just filipinos
  221. [08/01/2013 11:55:53] Juan Calderón: its perfectly possible
  222. [08/01/2013 11:56:14] Juan Calderón: but theres no reason to IP block all those countries
  223. [08/01/2013 11:56:19] Juan Calderón: Germany would be enough
  224. [08/01/2013 11:56:28] Juan Calderón: Ymir dont have access to the firewall
  225. [08/01/2013 11:56:32] Juan Calderón: only the game servers
  226. [08/01/2013 11:56:55] Christopher Chia: When Gameforge know that Ymir has given us M2 PH with IP block, I understand that they will hire professional to check on us.
  227. [08/01/2013 11:57:16] Juan Calderón: they sent the lawyer last time.
  228. [08/01/2013 11:57:23] Juan Calderón: he wont be able to log in.
  229. [08/01/2013 11:57:28] Juan Calderón: besides
  230. [08/01/2013 11:57:29] Christopher Chia: They do not have employees outside Germany but they have tons of volunteered GMs all over Europe and NA.
  231. [08/01/2013 11:57:35] Juan Calderón: nobody is going to spam GF forums
  232. [08/01/2013 11:57:41] Juan Calderón: thats what pissed them off the most
  233. [08/01/2013 11:58:12] Christopher Chia: Their GMs in UK or US can do a check to see that we have no IP block and report to the COMA who will asked their coordinator with Ymir to lay a complain about us.
  234. [08/01/2013 11:59:39] Juan Calderón: IP blocking is not precise
  235. [08/01/2013 11:59:54] Juan Calderón: when SG opened, certain players from germany or italy could still login
  236. [08/01/2013 11:59:58] Juan Calderón: without a proxy
  237. [08/01/2013 12:00:04] Juan Calderón: we can claim it's the same case.
  238. [08/01/2013 12:00:32] Christopher Chia: Do u think it will be so easy for Ymir to believe in us?
  239. [08/01/2013 12:00:42] Juan Calderón: Chris
  240. [08/01/2013 12:00:54] Juan Calderón: much of GF reaction was caused by the spam on their board
  241. [08/01/2013 12:01:02] Juan Calderón: this time, they wont notice us at all
  242. [08/01/2013 12:01:12] Christopher Chia: I saw the potential threat and hence suggested to run a private server collaborating with Infinity but you turned down the suggestion.
  243. [08/01/2013 12:01:20] Juan Calderón: because Chris
  244. [08/01/2013 12:01:34] Christopher Chia: You remember Jong Min email?
  245. [08/01/2013 12:01:40] Christopher Chia: That was only 2 weeks ago
  246. [08/01/2013 12:01:43] Juan Calderón: I dont want to run a pserver. I would be an hypocrite after I have been bitching over them.
  247. [08/01/2013 12:02:00] Juan Calderón: and whats Ymir telling us?
  248. [08/01/2013 12:02:07] Juan Calderón: we want you to attract PH players
  249. [08/01/2013 12:02:08] Juan Calderón: thats it
  250. [08/01/2013 12:02:15] Juan Calderón: and thats what we are going to do
  251. [08/01/2013 12:02:32] Juan Calderón: this isnt going to make waves of noise all accross GF players as SG did
  252. [08/01/2013 12:02:34] Juan Calderón: the situation
  253. [08/01/2013 12:02:40] Juan Calderón: is completely different
  254. [08/01/2013 12:03:07] Juan Calderón: you were trying to claim being a global server
  255. [08/01/2013 12:03:10] Juan Calderón: remember
  256. [08/01/2013 12:03:39] Juan Calderón: this time we wont step in anybody's toes
  257. [08/01/2013 12:03:49] Christopher Chia: I'm worried LOL
  258. [08/01/2013 12:04:28] Juan Calderón: i think you dont realize how much noise you made that time
  259. [08/01/2013 12:04:40] Juan Calderón: in the spanish server
  260. [08/01/2013 12:04:50] Juan Calderón: there was a post with hundreds of pages
  261. [08/01/2013 12:05:01] Juan Calderón: about Metin SEA
  262. [08/01/2013 12:05:15] Juan Calderón: a very heated discussion
  263. [08/01/2013 12:05:22] Christopher Chia: Bro, the moment we start M2 PH, you can bet there will be articles everywhere
  264. [08/01/2013 12:05:30] Juan Calderón: which the COMA ended saying its a private server.
  265. [08/01/2013 12:05:32] Juan Calderón: Why?
  266. [08/01/2013 12:05:37] Juan Calderón: theres no new content
  267. [08/01/2013 12:05:45] Christopher Chia: At that time, I hve only Tom, Tony, Crono, Olaf and Rick with me
  268. [08/01/2013 12:05:53] Christopher Chia: They only tried to spam in US server
  269. [08/01/2013 12:05:57] Juan Calderón: we dont claim to be global
  270. [08/01/2013 12:05:58] Christopher Chia: No one spam in Spanish community
  271. [08/01/2013 12:06:03] Juan Calderón: we dont claim to have new content
  272. [08/01/2013 12:06:08] Juan Calderón: we wont advertise in GF boards
  273. [08/01/2013 12:06:19] Christopher Chia: No Juan, we did not claim to be a global server
  274. [08/01/2013 12:06:21] Juan Calderón: JP, TW, Arab servers opened
  275. [08/01/2013 12:06:27] Christopher Chia: We basically say that a new Asian server is coming up
  276. [08/01/2013 12:06:28] Juan Calderón: I didnt see anyone excited abt it
  277. [08/01/2013 12:06:49] Christopher Chia: What I think is that players will hear about it and they will discuss it in GF forum
  278. [08/01/2013 12:07:10] Juan Calderón: that has same chance of happening as a discussion about metin2 taiwan
  279. [08/01/2013 12:07:11] Juan Calderón: zero
  280. [08/01/2013 12:07:24] Juan Calderón: Chris
  281. [08/01/2013 12:07:28] Christopher Chia: In SG, no one say a word about M2 PH but someone saw Aelita Facebook link and everyone started to ask about M2 PH
  282. [08/01/2013 12:07:31] Juan Calderón: remember that trends graph
  283. [08/01/2013 12:07:40] Juan Calderón: it was so big that the IP block
  284. [08/01/2013 12:07:50] Juan Calderón: actually lowered the Metin2 player base
  285. [08/01/2013 12:07:52] Juan Calderón: by 10%
  286. [08/01/2013 12:08:06] Juan Calderón: yep
  287. [08/01/2013 12:08:12] Juan Calderón: I answered that the server
  288. [08/01/2013 12:08:16] Juan Calderón: would be ip blocked
  289. [08/01/2013 12:08:24] Juan Calderón: and thats what we are going to claim all the way
  290. [08/01/2013 12:08:46] Christopher Chia: What I'm saying is that we can't possibly hide it from the players or stopping them to discuss it in GF forum thereby attracting those GM from Gameforge to check it out on us.
  291. [08/01/2013 12:08:55] Juan Calderón: Chris
  292. [08/01/2013 12:09:03] Juan Calderón: the situation is completely different!
  293. [08/01/2013 12:09:12] Juan Calderón: at that time
  294. [08/01/2013 12:09:27] Juan Calderón: people were extremely pissed at GF because of the bots, and because
  295. [08/01/2013 12:09:33] Juan Calderón: there was hardly any update
  296. [08/01/2013 12:09:43] Juan Calderón: when they heard about a server with new content
  297. [08/01/2013 12:09:49] Juan Calderón: as you claimed remember?
  298. [08/01/2013 12:09:51] Juan Calderón: new wepons
  299. [08/01/2013 12:09:53] Juan Calderón: maps
  300. [08/01/2013 12:09:53] Juan Calderón: etc.
  301. [08/01/2013 12:10:07] Juan Calderón: everyone got excited about it
  302. [08/01/2013 12:10:13] Juan Calderón: there were no pservers then
  303. [08/01/2013 12:10:19] Juan Calderón: ppl were starving for new stuff
  304. [08/01/2013 12:10:41] Juan Calderón: nowadays the opening of PH will go unnoticed as GF
  305. [08/01/2013 12:10:48] Juan Calderón: is getting updates constantly
  306. [08/01/2013 12:10:56] Juan Calderón: and theres a ton of pservers around
  307. [08/01/2013 12:11:13] Christopher Chia: Give me 3 mins. Incoming call
  308. [08/01/2013 12:11:17] Juan Calderón: ok
  309. [08/01/2013 12:11:54] Juan Calderón: we will also make clear from the beginning that the server is for SEA
  310. [08/01/2013 12:14:16] Christopher Chia: Back
  311. [08/01/2013 12:15:33] Christopher Chia: We need to approach this carefully bro
  312. [08/01/2013 12:15:50] Christopher Chia: Maybe on Saturday, let us discuss it with Tim
  313. [08/01/2013 12:16:04] Juan Calderón: Also note that first is Close Beta and you cant even access without a key
  314. [08/01/2013 12:16:40] Christopher Chia: By the way, Tim ever suggested to you about running a p server?
  315. [08/01/2013 12:16:49] Juan Calderón: Tim?
  316. [08/01/2013 12:16:52] Juan Calderón: nah
  317. [08/01/2013 12:16:54] Christopher Chia: Yes
  318. [08/01/2013 12:17:11] Juan Calderón: Tim doesnt want to run anything
  319. [08/01/2013 12:17:18] Juan Calderón: he likes programming thats it
  320. [08/01/2013 12:17:21] Christopher Chia: Coz when I share with him that day about running a p server and working with infinity and FL2, he was so excited
  321. [08/01/2013 12:17:33] Christopher Chia: He said it was something he wish to do for a long time
  322. [08/01/2013 12:17:36] Juan Calderón: yes?
  323. [08/01/2013 12:17:50] Juan Calderón: well.
  324. [08/01/2013 12:18:02] Juan Calderón: I guess thats because SG is quite small
  325. [08/01/2013 12:18:34] Juan Calderón: if we had a server full of ppl and can pay him a proper salary maybe he would think different
  326. [08/01/2013 12:18:58] Christopher Chia: I see
  327. [08/01/2013 12:19:26] Juan Calderón: also being a kid he probbly see having the official tag just as a burden
  328. [08/01/2013 12:19:41] Juan Calderón: having to pay royalty and all that
  329. [08/01/2013 12:19:53] Juan Calderón: and getting ip blocks
  330. [08/01/2013 12:20:09] Juan Calderón: however, having the official tag means a lot to me
  331. [08/01/2013 12:20:31] Juan Calderón: its the difference between being a crook and a true game publisher
  332. [08/01/2013 12:21:16] Juan Calderón: not to mention that the average pserver player is very annoying little kids
  333. [08/01/2013 12:22:58] Christopher Chia: I used to think like you
  334. [08/01/2013 12:23:05] Juan Calderón: yes Chris
  335. [08/01/2013 12:23:12] Juan Calderón: I know what you are thinking...
  336. [08/01/2013 12:23:20] Juan Calderón: if I had opened a pserver instead of sg
  337. [08/01/2013 12:23:26] Juan Calderón: I would be swimming in cash by now
  338. [08/01/2013 12:24:31] Christopher Chia: Well I paid 300k USD for license, 300k SGD for 19 HP brand new servers, invested a million SGD and found out that I have been duped by Ymir where our initial contract stated on IP block.
  339. [08/01/2013 12:24:46] Christopher Chia: no ip block
  340. [08/01/2013 12:25:06] Juan Calderón: I think you lacked good advice back then.
  341. [08/01/2013 12:25:21] Christopher Chia: Gameforge came in, made some noise and maybe paid Kim some under table money to get rid of us and for 3 years we were at their mercy.
  342. [08/01/2013 12:25:54] Christopher Chia: While seeing p servers making more than official and we being an official paying so much suffering under Ymir and being disturbed time to time by Gameforge or even being mocked
  343. [08/01/2013 12:26:27] Juan Calderón: well
  344. [08/01/2013 12:26:29] Juan Calderón: go ahead
  345. [08/01/2013 12:26:32] Juan Calderón: make a pserver
  346. [08/01/2013 12:26:33] Christopher Chia: Anyway, that is business. I have to let it go and move on.
  347. [08/01/2013 12:26:38] Juan Calderón: just dont relate it to tec
  348. [08/01/2013 12:26:42] Juan Calderón: thats suicidal
  349. [08/01/2013 12:26:55] Juan Calderón: and unneeded
  350. [08/01/2013 12:27:08] Juan Calderón: I will try to go ahead with PH on my side
  351. [08/01/2013 12:27:25] Christopher Chia: I'm going to try a last straw talking to Chris Loo from Time Voyager to reverse engineer M2 and create M3.
  352. [08/01/2013 12:27:44] Juan Calderón: hmm
  353. [08/01/2013 12:27:47] Christopher Chia: I told Tim about this yesterday that he may offer his help in this matter
  354. [08/01/2013 12:28:00] Juan Calderón: yes he surely can
  355. [08/01/2013 12:28:03] Christopher Chia: But he said school just reopen and he may not have sufficient time but will try his best
  356. [08/01/2013 12:28:13] Juan Calderón: but Tim has very limited time
  357. [08/01/2013 12:28:27] Juan Calderón: and no matter how much he is paid he wont dedicate more than he is alread
  358. [08/01/2013 12:29:01] Christopher Chia: I can understand his constraint
  359. [08/01/2013 12:29:12] Christopher Chia: He asked me to speak with Axel as well
  360. [08/01/2013 12:29:25] Christopher Chia: He said Axel is also talented in this and he revamped SD3
  361. [08/01/2013 12:29:39] Christopher Chia: I will check with Axel when he is here later.
  362. [08/01/2013 12:29:45] Juan Calderón: ok
  363. [08/01/2013 12:31:29] Christopher Chia: after all, Mr Kang said in November that Ymir or Webzen has no plan to create M3
  364. [08/01/2013 12:31:51] Christopher Chia: The only way for us to make it loud is to create our own IP on a successful MMORPG
  365. [08/01/2013 12:31:52] Juan Calderón: but I suggest we go over that later on if PH succeeds
  366. [08/01/2013 12:32:07] Juan Calderón: and we have cash available for the project
  367. [08/01/2013 12:32:13] Juan Calderón: development of games isnt cheap
  368. [08/01/2013 12:33:02] Christopher Chia: Time Voyager spent 5 years to develop Project A and according to him, he has a whole library of unused graphic asset
  369. [08/01/2013 12:33:18] Juan Calderón: project A
  370. [08/01/2013 12:33:23] Juan Calderón: yes I remember that game
  371. [08/01/2013 12:33:26] Christopher Chia: Reverse engineer M2 and change all with excellent graphic asset using Linux pro is possible
  372. [08/01/2013 12:33:28] Juan Calderón: but I wasnt too impressed
  373. [08/01/2013 12:33:57] Juan Calderón: either the presentation wasnt very good or the game lacks of a selling point
  374. [08/01/2013 12:34:21] Christopher Chia: His entire company is funded so it is alright for them to waste money lol
  375. [08/01/2013 12:34:37] Juan Calderón: its just too generic and theres nothing that called meto play it
  376. [08/01/2013 12:35:26] Juan Calderón: about Metin2, we need to reduce the pay2win factor
  377. [08/01/2013 12:35:37] Juan Calderón: I have been learning about Guild Wars
  378. [08/01/2013 12:36:04] Juan Calderón: in this game itemshop isnt as determinating as in Metin2
  379. [08/01/2013 12:36:24] Juan Calderón: Metin2 and particularly GF version is a pure pay2win
  380. [08/01/2013 12:36:46] Juan Calderón: my idea is to remove pearls and red monocle from Mall
  381. [08/01/2013 12:37:03] Juan Calderón: and count on the character customization and the basic itemshop stuff
  382. [08/01/2013 12:37:37] Christopher Chia: Not for Sg bro. U can do that later for Ph server coz the monocle is one of the best selling product
  383. [08/01/2013 12:38:29] Juan Calderón: 7,715,000
  384. [08/01/2013 12:38:48] Juan Calderón: not bad but still a fraction of what bonus changers or premium packs make
  385. [08/01/2013 12:39:11] Juan Calderón: anyway this is for PH where I want to try my own vision of a MMORPG game
  386. [08/01/2013 12:39:30] Juan Calderón: following the steps of LOL or Guild Wars where itemshop is truly accesory
  387. [08/01/2013 12:39:41] Christopher Chia: I see
  388. [08/01/2013 12:39:48] Juan Calderón: they make up for this by having a large amount of players
  389. [08/01/2013 12:40:17] Juan Calderón: and those players are attracted exactly by that idea that IS doesnt make or break the game
  390. [08/01/2013 12:41:14] Juan Calderón: When I talk to people who quit metin2 for other games they always mention how metin2 feels such a cash cow
  391. [08/01/2013 12:41:24] Juan Calderón: when you compare
  392. [08/01/2013 12:41:52] Juan Calderón: in GW you cant buy your way to a powerful character
  393. [08/01/2013 12:41:54] Juan Calderón: also,
  394. [08/01/2013 12:42:00] Juan Calderón: we will ban account trading
  395. [08/01/2013 12:42:10] Juan Calderón: I feel it brought nothing positive in the end
  396. [08/01/2013 12:42:51] Juan Calderón: it just makes quitting a much better idea than it would seem otherwise
  397. [08/01/2013 12:44:32] Christopher Chia: I see
  398. [08/01/2013 15:29:00] Christopher Chia: Mr Kim has replied with the contract
  399. [08/01/2013 16:15:50] Juan Calderón: btw
  400. [08/01/2013 16:16:03] Juan Calderón: bah nvm
  401. [08/01/2013 16:16:08] Juan Calderón: ok I saw it
  402. [09/01/2013 14:46:54] Juan Calderón: hi Chris
  403. [09/01/2013 14:47:15] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan give me 15 mins
  404. [09/01/2013 14:47:23] Christopher Chia: I'm speaking to Mr Yap from Raffles Venture
  405. [09/01/2013 14:47:23] Juan Calderón: sure
  406. [09/01/2013 15:06:06] Christopher Chia: Hi bro
  407. [09/01/2013 15:06:15] Christopher Chia: Mr Yap has just left
  408. [09/01/2013 15:06:24] Christopher Chia: Here to settle some paperwork earlier
  409. [09/01/2013 15:07:01] Christopher Chia: You wanted to ask something with me?
  410. [09/01/2013 15:07:37] Juan Calderón: yes
  411. [09/01/2013 15:07:46] Juan Calderón: let's stop the advertising in FB for a while
  412. [09/01/2013 15:07:51] Juan Calderón: 1 month maybe
  413. [09/01/2013 15:07:57] Christopher Chia: For Sevencore?
  414. [09/01/2013 15:08:01] Juan Calderón: for both
  415. [09/01/2013 15:08:07] Christopher Chia: Reasons?
  416. [09/01/2013 15:08:33] Juan Calderón: because the wages are delayed, so I thought theres not much room for that now
  417. [09/01/2013 15:08:47] Christopher Chia: I see
  418. [09/01/2013 15:08:54] Christopher Chia: Sure, then we stop it for a month first.
  419. [09/01/2013 15:14:22] Christopher Chia: Bro, I have sent the payment of 300 SGD to Carlos. What is the Paypal email for Razelle Cuevas and Angie?
  420. [09/01/2013 15:14:28] Christopher Chia: I will send them the payment on Paypal now.
  421. [09/01/2013 15:14:37] Christopher Chia: As for Jazmin, I will also send it to her on Moneybookers later
  422. [09/01/2013 15:14:53] Juan Calderón: ok
  423. [09/01/2013 15:15:13] Juan Calderón: I will prepare an Excel sheet... for the wages... to help you keep account
  424. [09/01/2013 15:15:38] Christopher Chia: Ok
  425. [09/01/2013 15:16:05] Juan Calderón: [miércoles, 21 de noviembre de 2012 6:26] zelle cuevas:
  426.  
  427. <<< zellecuevas@yahoo.com
  428. [09/01/2013 15:16:12] Juan Calderón: [miércoles, 09 de enero de 2013 15:15] Angie Engle:
  429.  
  430. <<< pleadian12@live.com
  431. [09/01/2013 15:17:16] Christopher Chia: Zellecuevas is?
  432. [09/01/2013 15:17:23] Christopher Chia: Ah Razelle
  433. [09/01/2013 15:20:26] Christopher Chia: already sent to Razelle Cuevas 600 SGD by Paypal Angie 250 SGD by Paypal and Carlos 300 SGD by Paypal.
  434. [09/01/2013 15:20:38] Christopher Chia: Not sure if I have enough money on moneybookers to send to Jazmine. Will be checking
  435. [09/01/2013 15:20:44] Juan Calderón: thanks
  436. [09/01/2013 15:20:49] Christopher Chia: By the way, my ID for M2 SG admin was blocked.
  437. [09/01/2013 15:20:57] Christopher Chia: Not sure if Tony tried to login
  438. [09/01/2013 15:21:04] Juan Calderón: I unblocked it
  439. [09/01/2013 15:21:09] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  440. [09/01/2013 15:24:51] Christopher Chia: One last thing, Sabrina from High1 sent u a mail about issues related to server backup for your attention.
  441. [09/01/2013 15:25:19 | Editado 15:25:22] Juan Calderón: yes, I assigned Harris to the task
  442. [09/01/2013 15:25:39] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  443. [09/01/2013 15:26:04] Juan Calderón: atm I am quite busy preparing the next update which will be the biggest ever
  444. [09/01/2013 15:26:13] Juan Calderón: for Metin2
  445. [09/01/2013 15:26:45] Juan Calderón: the idea is to keep the server as busy as it's now even after holidays ended
  446. [09/01/2013 15:26:56] Juan Calderón: and increase the mall spending as well
  447. [09/01/2013 15:27:30] Christopher Chia: Yes, I read about your Developer diary in the forum
  448. [09/01/2013 15:27:59] Juan Calderón: it will also be the base for Metin2 PH as many bugs have been fixed
  449. [09/01/2013 15:28:25] Juan Calderón: I can say that our server is atm the most stable and bug free in the world
  450. [09/01/2013 15:29:28] Juan Calderón: remember those low level quests where sometimes you needed to kill the same mob for 2 quests
  451. [09/01/2013 15:29:34] Juan Calderón: and both became bugged?
  452. [09/01/2013 15:30:04] Juan Calderón: at some point that was one of the most usual reasons ppl asked for a GM
  453. [09/01/2013 15:30:19] Juan Calderón: now our server is the only Metin2 server which doesn't have such problem
  454. [09/01/2013 15:30:24] Juan Calderón: and this is just an example
  455. [09/01/2013 15:31:13] Christopher Chia: I see
  456. [09/01/2013 15:32:12] Juan Calderón: I wanted to show YMIR but theyre too arrogant to accept corrections from us it seems
  457. [09/01/2013 15:33:10] Juan Calderón: but thats ok. at some point GF server will feel unplayable in comparison.
  458. [09/01/2013 15:33:49] Christopher Chia: It is very hard to crush GF server for the fact that they have sufficient player base
  459. [09/01/2013 15:34:10] Christopher Chia: Only a few players may eventually know that SG has a better content
  460. [09/01/2013 15:34:14] Juan Calderón: yeah but when they come here
  461. [09/01/2013 15:34:40] Juan Calderón: they will wonder how they could play in the middle of such bugs, bad translations and server crashes
  462. [09/01/2013 15:34:59] Juan Calderón: its not unusual for GF cores to crash, and while ours auto restart, theirs dont
  463. [09/01/2013 15:35:13] Juan Calderón: so ppl are maybe a whole week without a channel or map
  464. [09/01/2013 15:35:24] Christopher Chia: I see
  465. [09/01/2013 17:14:13] Christopher Chia: K bro, I'm heading home now. Cya 2moro :)
  466. [09/01/2013 17:14:15] Christopher Chia: Goodnight
  467. [09/01/2013 17:14:23] Juan Calderón: good night
  468. [10/01/2013 2:13:24] Juan Calderón: hi Chris
  469. [10/01/2013 2:13:32] Juan Calderón: Angel uses moneybookers as well
  470. [10/01/2013 2:13:33] Juan Calderón: [jueves, 10 de enero de 2013 2:13] Ángel Collado:
  471.  
  472. <<< acolladoar@gmail.com
  473. [10/01/2013 2:13:53] Juan Calderón: Im thinking of opening an account there too since my Paypal got blocked long ago o.o
  474. [11/01/2013 6:07:51] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan
  475. [11/01/2013 6:08:03] Juan Calderón: hello
  476. [11/01/2013 6:08:17] Christopher Chia: Wanted to discuss with you about Metin2 PH.
  477. [11/01/2013 6:08:28] Juan Calderón: ok
  478. [11/01/2013 6:08:54] Christopher Chia: By end of this month, I believe all debts should be able to be cleared.
  479. [11/01/2013 6:09:03] Christopher Chia: I have some thoughts here.
  480. [11/01/2013 6:09:07] Juan Calderón: go ahead
  481. [11/01/2013 6:09:38] Christopher Chia: I may want to proceed with Metin2 PH private server but only with Dulaan excluding Gulio and his friend known as Johnny from Infinitymetin.
  482. [11/01/2013 6:09:48] Juan Calderón: well,
  483. [11/01/2013 6:10:05] Juan Calderón: thats more reasonable
  484. [11/01/2013 6:10:33] Juan Calderón: mixing guys from 2 different pservers who most likely dont trust each other sounds like a bad idea
  485. [11/01/2013 6:10:35] Christopher Chia: This is my plan. We start a trial for registration base on Dulaan's database of 303k registered users which he held since he had FL2 many years ago.
  486. [11/01/2013 6:11:00] Christopher Chia: Well, initially I wanted InfinityMetin to join but I spoken with Johnny yesterday.
  487. [11/01/2013 6:11:12] Christopher Chia: He gave me the impression that he is not serious.
  488. [11/01/2013 6:11:23] Christopher Chia: First thing he asked is whether he can access to our server files.
  489. [11/01/2013 6:11:35] Christopher Chia: If not, he doesn't see any reason for him to join us.
  490. [11/01/2013 6:11:49] Christopher Chia: Furthermore, he is not willing to give up on his private server.
  491. [11/01/2013 6:12:29] Christopher Chia: His shared to me his intention was to join Dulaan and split the cost with him to promote M2 PH but in exchange for Ymir latest content.
  492. [11/01/2013 6:13:16] Christopher Chia: I told him that we have no access to server files but only the QA server. In addition, I told him that I do not want the latest files to be leaked to all the private servers and hence told him that I won't consider such a deal.
  493. [11/01/2013 6:13:34] Christopher Chia: After much consideration, I think it is better to leave him out of the picture and Dulaan agreed.
  494. [11/01/2013 6:14:04] Christopher Chia: Next, I have registered a bulletproof domain for M2 PH p server.
  495. [11/01/2013 6:14:12] Christopher Chia: The domain name is www.metin2ph.com
  496. [11/01/2013 6:14:20] Juan Calderón: Chris
  497. [11/01/2013 6:14:23] Christopher Chia: You can try to check under WhoIs but you won't find anything.
  498. [11/01/2013 6:14:34] Juan Calderón: so this means we arent going to open an official server?
  499. [11/01/2013 6:14:44] Christopher Chia: Wait first, I will share u my whole plan.
  500. [11/01/2013 6:15:07] Christopher Chia: For M2 PH p server, we will block 3 parties namely Korea, Philippines and Gameforge IP address.
  501. [11/01/2013 6:15:37] Christopher Chia: I told Dulaan we will have 2 server for PH. We do not want to mix it up with his players.
  502. [11/01/2013 6:15:51] Juan Calderón: but then why name it ph at all
  503. [11/01/2013 6:15:58] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, the official M2 PH server under www.metin2.ph will have a contract with Ymir.
  504. [11/01/2013 6:16:21] Juan Calderón: why do we imply theres a relationship
  505. [11/01/2013 6:16:38] Christopher Chia: I want to create the impression to Gameforge that p servers leeched on the emerging of M2 PH official server to create a duplicate of it in the event that they do try to find out.
  506. [11/01/2013 6:16:57] Christopher Chia: When M2 SG started, a lot of p server created themselves as M2 SG
  507. [11/01/2013 6:17:14] Christopher Chia: At that time, there was a www.metin2sg.net
  508. [11/01/2013 6:17:35] Christopher Chia: It is very common that p server will find all opportunities trying to make themselves look real.
  509. [11/01/2013 6:17:49] Juan Calderón: its not as common as you say
  510. [11/01/2013 6:17:58] Christopher Chia: On contrary, when Gameforge check on M2 PH official, they will see there is IP block and no gimmick.
  511. [11/01/2013 6:18:06] Juan Calderón: and if there was such pserver it was very shortlived and not one of the important ones
  512. [11/01/2013 6:18:08] Juan Calderón: sorry but
  513. [11/01/2013 6:18:13] Juan Calderón: the idea of naming them alike
  514. [11/01/2013 6:18:19] Juan Calderón: doesnt have any sense to me
  515. [11/01/2013 6:18:21] Christopher Chia: After all, both domain are different and the p server one is registered under a bullet proof host which gave more sense that it is a p server.
  516. [11/01/2013 6:18:59] Christopher Chia: Well bro, the p server will IP block PH
  517. [11/01/2013 6:19:23] Christopher Chia: So when we market the game in PH, users from PH will know of the existent of the p server.
  518. [11/01/2013 6:20:19] Juan Calderón: Chris I dont see where you want to get with this. But if my familys going to keep investing in the official server I must ask you that theres nothing at all relating PH to a pserver.
  519. [11/01/2013 6:20:23] Christopher Chia: Dulaan's database comprises mostly of Italian, German and Romanian only
  520. [11/01/2013 6:20:49] Christopher Chia: Wait first bro, I have a proposal here for a win win for all parties including our staff.
  521. [11/01/2013 6:21:01] Juan Calderón: I wouldnt take this risk if it wasnt for the privilege we have now of receiving updates while being able to change them as we like
  522. [11/01/2013 6:21:08] Christopher Chia: I understand that you will invest your money for marketing in Philippines.
  523. [11/01/2013 6:21:13] Juan Calderón: I dont want some screw up with Ymir
  524. [11/01/2013 6:21:33] Christopher Chia: I understand where u r coming from.
  525. [11/01/2013 6:22:55] Juan Calderón: and I understand you want to make decent money for once
  526. [11/01/2013 6:23:03] Juan Calderón: but please don't put PH at stake
  527. [11/01/2013 6:23:12] Juan Calderón: there's no need to.
  528. [11/01/2013 6:24:04] Christopher Chia: My proposal is this. We start Metin2 PH p server end of this month and start pre-registration on 21 Jan. Aelita has created an edm where Dulaan shall blast to his database. From the registration, we can estimate the CCU during CBT. There will be no other publicity for M2 PH p server. Dulaan shall work on this project all by himself without engaging his former staff and Tom will be assigned to work with him. Base on the gross profit of M2 PH p server, I will set aside 10% for Tim and Axel and 10% for you. In addition, I will reserve another 10% to help market M2 PH official at your disposal.
  529. [11/01/2013 6:24:26] Christopher Chia: Tim has told me that he needed a better income.
  530. [11/01/2013 6:24:33] Christopher Chia: He said that to me 4 days ago
  531. [11/01/2013 6:24:42] Juan Calderón: actually
  532. [11/01/2013 6:24:54] Christopher Chia: He is even thinking of getting a job while studying which I told him don't do it first.
  533. [11/01/2013 6:24:59] Christopher Chia: Else he will really have no time for us
  534. [11/01/2013 6:25:08] Juan Calderón: ok
  535. [11/01/2013 6:25:11] Juan Calderón: well
  536. [11/01/2013 6:25:22] Christopher Chia: The above proposal will help you and your family in a way to reduce your investment risk
  537. [11/01/2013 6:25:34] Juan Calderón: we promised Tim to pay him what we saved from the billing host after he merged some servers
  538. [11/01/2013 6:25:39] Christopher Chia: Coz marketing will eventually come from the p server to support the official.
  539. [11/01/2013 6:25:44] Juan Calderón: but ne never paid that to him
  540. [11/01/2013 6:25:54] Christopher Chia: And for the official, I can still part with you 50/50 after deduction of operation cost.
  541. [11/01/2013 6:26:04] Christopher Chia: For operation cost, let Tec also bare the hosting cost.
  542. [11/01/2013 6:26:27] Christopher Chia: Ah, I remember that.
  543. [11/01/2013 6:26:49] Christopher Chia: I do not want Tim to eventually go get a different job in Germany.
  544. [11/01/2013 6:27:04] Christopher Chia: We still need him from time to time and if we can pay him better, he will be dedicated to work for us.
  545. [11/01/2013 6:27:21] Juan Calderón: from time to time... I would say hes essential
  546. [11/01/2013 6:27:21] Christopher Chia: When I told him about the 10% gross profit to be shared with him for the p server, he was very keen.
  547. [11/01/2013 6:27:53] Christopher Chia: After all, we have almost zero cost to set up that p server and not having to pay Ymir a 30% from gross as royalty
  548. [11/01/2013 6:28:16] Christopher Chia: Crono will replace Tom to take care of M2 SG with Tony
  549. [11/01/2013 6:28:27] Christopher Chia: I trust Tom will be able to watch over Dulaan closely
  550. [11/01/2013 6:28:44] Christopher Chia: As for the official M2 PH, you, Angie and Jazmine can be involved to manage that community
  551. [11/01/2013 6:28:47] Juan Calderón: and you want to run a successful pserver with a team of 2 people?
  552. [11/01/2013 6:29:06] Christopher Chia: Tim and Axel will also be involved with that p server but only backend work
  553. [11/01/2013 6:29:15] Juan Calderón: Chris maybe you got that impression but its not like
  554. [11/01/2013 6:29:18] Juan Calderón: you open a pserver
  555. [11/01/2013 6:29:21] Juan Calderón: and you get rich
  556. [11/01/2013 6:29:23] Christopher Chia: I think just Tom and Dulaan is sufficient for a start
  557. [11/01/2013 6:29:33] Christopher Chia: They will look for MODs once the server get started
  558. [11/01/2013 6:29:50] Juan Calderón: I meant development staff.
  559. [11/01/2013 6:30:35] Juan Calderón: A private server can't be set up as if it's official, nobody would play it
  560. [11/01/2013 6:30:47] Christopher Chia: Hmm, wouldn't it be in a way that we just duplicate whatever from SG server to both the PH p server and official server at the end of the day?
  561. [11/01/2013 6:30:52] Juan Calderón: for starters pserver players expect changers and addres to be free
  562. [11/01/2013 6:31:10] Juan Calderón: well
  563. [11/01/2013 6:31:12] Juan Calderón: that means
  564. [11/01/2013 6:31:19] Juan Calderón: give Dulaan access to server files
  565. [11/01/2013 6:31:25] Christopher Chia: No
  566. [11/01/2013 6:31:36] Christopher Chia: He will has no access to server files
  567. [11/01/2013 6:31:41] Christopher Chia: Our side will do the backend work
  568. [11/01/2013 6:32:05] Christopher Chia: We shall just duplicate the existing work for the p server and all our future servers if any.
  569. [11/01/2013 6:32:26] Juan Calderón: Our work is for an official server
  570. [11/01/2013 6:32:34] Christopher Chia: About the layout of the p server, I have had a discussion with Dulaan to get his views.
  571. [11/01/2013 6:32:56] Juan Calderón: pserver players have other expectations
  572. [11/01/2013 6:33:11] Christopher Chia: True and not true bro.
  573. [11/01/2013 6:33:21] Christopher Chia: Things are slowly changing.
  574. [11/01/2013 6:33:32] Christopher Chia: You see most of the p server loosing players
  575. [11/01/2013 6:33:51] Christopher Chia: I heard after Gameforge merge their servers, a lot of the p server players went back to Gameforge servers.
  576. [11/01/2013 6:34:23] Christopher Chia: The most recent test server with the new maps attracted a lot of users from p server and in just one day registration was full for that test server
  577. [11/01/2013 6:34:41] Juan Calderón: because pservers are unbalanced
  578. [11/01/2013 6:34:55] Juan Calderón: the quality of the gameplay is lousy
  579. [11/01/2013 6:35:03] Christopher Chia: Those who managed to play in that test server even try convincing their other friends to join Gameforge and start all new as they want to enjoy a real server with new content
  580. [11/01/2013 6:35:11] Christopher Chia: P servers are no longer having content
  581. [11/01/2013 6:35:25] Christopher Chia: Even if they create something new, it is just some graphic changes which look stupid
  582. [11/01/2013 6:35:33] Juan Calderón: yep.
  583. [11/01/2013 6:35:57] Christopher Chia: Ymir made a good move to beef up the content now with more than 100 staff
  584. [11/01/2013 6:36:13] Christopher Chia: This way, in matter of time the p server will all die off.
  585. [11/01/2013 6:36:24] Juan Calderón: then why are we creating one
  586. [11/01/2013 6:36:32] Christopher Chia: Of course, all those p server players will go to GF servers and not us.
  587. [11/01/2013 6:36:41] Juan Calderón: why dont you wait to see what happens with ph
  588. [11/01/2013 6:36:55] Juan Calderón: if it doesnt do well I will accept anything
  589. [11/01/2013 6:37:00] Christopher Chia: Do u think we can start PH in Feb or Mar?
  590. [11/01/2013 6:37:07] Juan Calderón: yes we can
  591. [11/01/2013 6:37:07] Christopher Chia: I have doubts
  592. [11/01/2013 6:37:13] Christopher Chia: Ymir is wasting tim
  593. [11/01/2013 6:37:15] Christopher Chia: time
  594. [11/01/2013 6:37:37] Christopher Chia: I don't like to waste time on it where nothing is secure.
  595. [11/01/2013 6:37:53] Christopher Chia: It goes on and the company won't survive till March
  596. [11/01/2013 6:38:02] Juan Calderón: hmm
  597. [11/01/2013 6:38:15] Christopher Chia: Anything can happen during this few months and our sales just go lower and lower.
  598. [11/01/2013 6:38:20] Christopher Chia: School is starting
  599. [11/01/2013 6:38:25] Christopher Chia: M2 SG sales will go down
  600. [11/01/2013 6:38:35] Christopher Chia: Sevencore sales is already going down barely 100k TP a day
  601. [11/01/2013 6:38:53] Christopher Chia: To keep up with operation cost, I cannot sit here and wait for sky to fall.
  602. [11/01/2013 6:39:05] Christopher Chia: Tim cannot wait for us as well
  603. [11/01/2013 6:39:13] Juan Calderón: allright
  604. [11/01/2013 6:39:21] Juan Calderón: well
  605. [11/01/2013 6:39:36] Juan Calderón: I just ask... that you come up with another name
  606. [11/01/2013 6:39:39] Juan Calderón: that's all...
  607. [11/01/2013 6:39:46] Christopher Chia: If we want to keep the good people such as Ralph, Tim and all others, we need to feed them in a decent manner not with hope but with realistic terms.
  608. [11/01/2013 6:40:05] Christopher Chia: Well bro, if we come up with another name, it won't appear in Ymir website.
  609. [11/01/2013 6:40:15] Christopher Chia: Players for the p server will think it is not official.
  610. [11/01/2013 6:40:17] Juan Calderón: who cares about Ymir website
  611. [11/01/2013 6:40:40] Christopher Chia: Every players care if they are playing on an official or p server because p server sell items for money and not cash shop
  612. [11/01/2013 6:40:51] Juan Calderón: Err no chris
  613. [11/01/2013 6:41:00] Juan Calderón: nobody checks ymir website
  614. [11/01/2013 6:41:13] Juan Calderón: about items and cash shops
  615. [11/01/2013 6:41:22] Christopher Chia: No bro, those days we started M2 SG and everyone call us a p server till we directed them to Ymir website.
  616. [11/01/2013 6:41:25] Juan Calderón: I doubt the average pserver players who is 12 year old
  617. [11/01/2013 6:41:28] Juan Calderón: will know or care
  618. [11/01/2013 6:42:00] Christopher Chia: No Juan, p servers today have adults and young people. Do u know that Hoshin and his friends went to Metin2United?
  619. [11/01/2013 6:42:16] Juan Calderón: I dont understand how you want to pass it for an official
  620. [11/01/2013 6:42:26] Juan Calderón: without attracting Ymir's attention as well
  621. [11/01/2013 6:42:28] Christopher Chia: Even if they are kids, do u realise that after 4 to 5 years, they are now an adult lol
  622. [11/01/2013 6:42:50] Christopher Chia: Ymir is also interested with the official server.
  623. [11/01/2013 6:42:55] Christopher Chia: They won't check on a p server.
  624. [11/01/2013 6:43:04] Christopher Chia: First thing they do is check on the domain
  625. [11/01/2013 6:43:12] Christopher Chia: and find out whois
  626. [11/01/2013 6:43:36] Christopher Chia: I spent 150 USD and registerd the domain in Russia with a bullet proof host lol
  627. [11/01/2013 6:43:50] Juan Calderón: no they wont until some GF smart ass ask why there is a pserver with the same name and contents, artork and IP as PH
  628. [11/01/2013 6:44:52] Christopher Chia: Ah, I mentioned earlier that I discussed with Dulaan about the p server content. For M2 PH p server, we will make exp very easy
  629. [11/01/2013 6:44:58] Christopher Chia: But still base on cash shop
  630. [11/01/2013 6:45:24] Juan Calderón: Chris sometimes I wonder if you think everyone else is stupid
  631. [11/01/2013 6:45:34] Juan Calderón: people will make questions
  632. [11/01/2013 6:45:59] Juan Calderón: if it looks like an official
  633. [11/01/2013 6:46:04] Juan Calderón: and its named as an official
  634. [11/01/2013 6:46:09] Juan Calderón: and its hosted by the same company
  635. [11/01/2013 6:46:21] Juan Calderón: you dont have to be a genius
  636. [11/01/2013 6:46:41] Juan Calderón: who is going to make the website? or the design?
  637. [11/01/2013 6:46:50] Christopher Chia: Remember I told u when we started M2 SG, there was a .net and few others imitation
  638. [11/01/2013 6:47:05] Christopher Chia: Alma is designing the website
  639. [11/01/2013 6:47:11] Juan Calderón: PH isnt going to make that kind of impact Chris
  640. [11/01/2013 6:47:15] Christopher Chia: It will look totally different
  641. [11/01/2013 6:47:19] Juan Calderón: oh god...
  642. [11/01/2013 6:48:30] *** Christopher Chia envió fondo.jpg ***
  643. [11/01/2013 6:49:25] Christopher Chia: I will ask Alma to use Ymir old logo instead of the new logo
  644. [11/01/2013 6:49:41] Juan Calderón: no chris
  645. [11/01/2013 6:49:44] Juan Calderón: this is insane
  646. [11/01/2013 6:49:54] Juan Calderón: are you out of your mind?
  647. [11/01/2013 6:50:02] Christopher Chia: No Juan
  648. [11/01/2013 6:50:12] Christopher Chia: It is either we make it or we loose it all
  649. [11/01/2013 6:51:09] Christopher Chia: You have very little worries in this whole project. Unlike you, I have the responsibility to ensure the bread and butter of everyone in the team under Tec.
  650. [11/01/2013 6:51:40] Juan Calderón: so instead of reviewing the expenses and such you want us to do something illegal
  651. [11/01/2013 6:51:58] Christopher Chia: Not just the team but also the investors. We made a mistake to license Sevencore and there is no turning back.
  652. [11/01/2013 6:52:27] Christopher Chia: It is illegal but do u think there is another alternative to revive the company?
  653. [11/01/2013 6:52:37] Christopher Chia: Tell me and give me 100% assurances
  654. [11/01/2013 6:52:40] Juan Calderón: cut expenses
  655. [11/01/2013 6:52:41] Christopher Chia: You can't bro
  656. [11/01/2013 6:52:59] Christopher Chia: What other more expenses can we cut?
  657. [11/01/2013 6:53:23] Juan Calderón: the SEVENCORE servers mainly, we are working on that, and
  658. [11/01/2013 6:53:24] Juan Calderón: well
  659. [11/01/2013 6:53:36] Christopher Chia: Even if we migrate the hosting for Sevencore now, the game will still make losses of an approximate 5k SGD every month.
  660. [11/01/2013 6:55:01] Christopher Chia: How is that possible. Let me explain to you. Say Sevencore make 5k SGD every month, 2.5k goes to IAH and payment channel, 1.25k goes to Noria. 3.5k USD = 4,410 SGD hosting cost
  661. [11/01/2013 6:55:13] Christopher Chia: 7% of 5k goes to VAT
  662. [11/01/2013 6:55:21] Christopher Chia: 10% of 5k goes to Withholding Tax.
  663. [11/01/2013 6:55:48] Christopher Chia: Manpower of Harris, Ralph and Crono = 1800 SGD
  664. [11/01/2013 6:56:59] Christopher Chia: Say if M2 SG makes 20k SGD, 6k goes to Ymir, about 15% = 3k goes to payment channel. 7% for VAT, 10% for withholding tax and 7.8k for manpower.
  665. [11/01/2013 6:57:07] Juan Calderón: sorry to say but none of the GM are earning their salary with the exception of Ralph
  666. [11/01/2013 6:57:07] Christopher Chia: another 1.5k USD for hosting
  667. [11/01/2013 6:57:50] Christopher Chia: Well bro, I'm showing u the current situation of the company where with M2 SG and Sevencore, we still bleed every month even if we migrated the server.
  668. [11/01/2013 6:58:16] Christopher Chia: With M2 PH official, I can't guarantee it will save this mess.
  669. [11/01/2013 6:58:23] Juan Calderón: because we are making unneeded expenses Chris.
  670. [11/01/2013 6:58:25] Christopher Chia: You can't guarantee it as well
  671. [11/01/2013 6:58:44] Christopher Chia: Imagine if it fails, the company is doom and all the staff have to find their own bread and butter.
  672. [11/01/2013 6:59:04] Juan Calderón: well Chris I will be bluny
  673. [11/01/2013 6:59:06] Juan Calderón: blunt
  674. [11/01/2013 6:59:08] Christopher Chia: What is unneeded expenses bro?
  675. [11/01/2013 6:59:28] Christopher Chia: Cut away Tom, Tony, Crono?
  676. [11/01/2013 6:59:33] Christopher Chia: and also Cheryl?
  677. [11/01/2013 6:59:52] Juan Calderón: Maybe not cut away
  678. [11/01/2013 6:59:53] Juan Calderón: but...
  679. [11/01/2013 6:59:53] Christopher Chia: If there are expenses I can cut, I would have done so.
  680. [11/01/2013 7:00:16] Juan Calderón: well I dont think Tony is earning 700 euros tbh,, he hardly does anything
  681. [11/01/2013 7:00:22] Juan Calderón: same for Crono
  682. [11/01/2013 7:00:28] Christopher Chia: U may realise that all those I mentioned above are working full time for us. They don't have saving from this amount of salary I pay them which I already feel bad.
  683. [11/01/2013 7:00:33] Juan Calderón: Toms a bit more dedicated but when you compare to the dev team
  684. [11/01/2013 7:00:39] Juan Calderón: those GM salaries seem very high
  685. [11/01/2013 7:00:46] Juan Calderón: hmmm
  686. [11/01/2013 7:00:46] Juan Calderón: well
  687. [11/01/2013 7:00:54] Juan Calderón: I dont want to sound like a jerk
  688. [11/01/2013 7:01:00] Juan Calderón: but GF dont pay their GM
  689. [11/01/2013 7:01:04] Juan Calderón: anyway
  690. [11/01/2013 7:01:21] Juan Calderón: forget about that if you will
  691. [11/01/2013 7:01:46] Juan Calderón: I have to think about it
  692. [11/01/2013 7:01:48] Christopher Chia: If this is the path I need to take to cut staff, I would choose to go with a p server and make money to cover for all and grow the company
  693. [11/01/2013 7:02:23] Christopher Chia: 3 years ago, we were together here thinking about this issue. I was insistent and say no to p server
  694. [11/01/2013 7:02:25] Juan Calderón: Chris its putting at risk both my investment and the work of the last 2 years
  695. [11/01/2013 7:02:39] Christopher Chia: 3 years later, I have to do it to save not just the company but many other issues.
  696. [11/01/2013 7:02:54] Juan Calderón: and for no reason because you could just open a pserver that is good but doesnt pretend to be official
  697. [11/01/2013 7:02:59] Christopher Chia: Juan, if you look at my proposal above, I relinquish your investment.
  698. [11/01/2013 7:03:16] Christopher Chia: I said to you that using profit from the p server to cover all your expenses.
  699. [11/01/2013 7:03:27] Christopher Chia: I do not want you to loose a cent like I do.
  700. [11/01/2013 7:03:35] Christopher Chia: I lost close to a million SGD
  701. [11/01/2013 7:03:36] Juan Calderón: but why in godsname pretend its official
  702. [11/01/2013 7:03:41] Christopher Chia: I do not want you to lose any money.
  703. [11/01/2013 7:03:45] Christopher Chia: This was my concern.
  704. [11/01/2013 7:04:07] Christopher Chia: That is why I came to you and tell you I wanted to cover your expenses and not risk your money. Moreover, it is from your mom.
  705. [11/01/2013 7:04:08] Juan Calderón: Make a good fun balanced pserver
  706. [11/01/2013 7:04:12] Juan Calderón: people will play it
  707. [11/01/2013 7:04:21] Juan Calderón: adding PH name isnt going to do any good
  708. [11/01/2013 7:04:28] Juan Calderón: PH is NOT
  709. [11/01/2013 7:04:37] Juan Calderón: going to make any impact in the Metin2 community
  710. [11/01/2013 7:04:50] Juan Calderón: because we purpose give up in getting EU players
  711. [11/01/2013 7:04:54] Juan Calderón: or advertising
  712. [11/01/2013 7:05:25] Christopher Chia: Juan, if you speak to some p server owners, u will know that p server cannot exist a cash shop.
  713. [11/01/2013 7:05:34] Christopher Chia: They sell costume and premade items to cover their expenses.
  714. [11/01/2013 7:05:45] Juan Calderón: ?
  715. [11/01/2013 7:05:50] Christopher Chia: They sell high level account to cover their expenses.
  716. [11/01/2013 7:06:17] Christopher Chia: If p server players come to another p server, they want the same thing they get in a p server.
  717. [11/01/2013 7:06:36] Christopher Chia: Infinity has 2k CCU and making nothing more than 7 or 8k every month.
  718. [11/01/2013 7:06:56] Juan Calderón: yes they do have a cash shop, its just that
  719. [11/01/2013 7:07:07] Christopher Chia: When FL2 was with 10k CCU according to Dulaan, it makes nothing more than 10k every month.
  720. [11/01/2013 7:07:10] Christopher Chia: U can check with him bro.
  721. [11/01/2013 7:07:13] Juan Calderón: players expect the vast majority of what is part of mall in an official server
  722. [11/01/2013 7:07:19] Juan Calderón: to be obtainable in game
  723. [11/01/2013 7:07:25] Juan Calderón: from shops usually (npc)
  724. [11/01/2013 7:07:41] Juan Calderón: if you open a server which has adders changers or exorcism in mall
  725. [11/01/2013 7:07:49] Juan Calderón: which are our biggest sellers,
  726. [11/01/2013 7:07:56] Christopher Chia: The biggest p servers do not sell cash shop items. Those which did have very low population.
  727. [11/01/2013 7:07:57] Juan Calderón: nobody will play it
  728. [11/01/2013 7:08:06] Juan Calderón: hence the return per user in official server
  729. [11/01/2013 7:08:09] Juan Calderón: is much better
  730. [11/01/2013 7:08:34] Christopher Chia: If I need to start an old school p server with cash shop, I'm knocking my head against the wall knowing it is doom to fail.
  731. [11/01/2013 7:08:51] Christopher Chia: Roman Hogan started more than 10 p servers with the old school theme and failed.
  732. [11/01/2013 7:09:04] Christopher Chia: So many of them who is like Roman Hogan and all have failed.
  733. [11/01/2013 7:09:29] Christopher Chia: I'm not here to look for a lottery ticket hoping that it can win big.
  734. [11/01/2013 7:09:59] Christopher Chia: I need to be sure that even if I run a p server, it can make good money to cover all the expenses and that the company grow out of this small little shell
  735. [11/01/2013 7:10:38] Christopher Chia: Put myself in your shoes having invested 1million and having to worry now every month about financial stability.
  736. [11/01/2013 7:11:06] Christopher Chia: You won't understand it unless you face daily the pressure what I should do to pay staff wages at the end of the month with debts going higher and higher.
  737. [11/01/2013 7:12:12] Juan Calderón: allright Chris
  738. [11/01/2013 7:12:23] Christopher Chia: Like I said to you the other day, I have a wife now and in fact she is pregnant. 9 months from now I have a baby to feed.
  739. [11/01/2013 7:12:42] Christopher Chia: I have too much worries to settle with action plan that it must succeed.
  740. [11/01/2013 7:13:04] Christopher Chia: Before speaking to you, I did think about your reaction to such idea.
  741. [11/01/2013 7:13:26] Christopher Chia: But I need to respect you and tell you about my plan. I don't like to do anything sneaky behind your back.
  742. [11/01/2013 7:13:37] Christopher Chia: Tom and Tony told me not to tell you about this plan.
  743. [11/01/2013 7:14:17] Christopher Chia: Tim and Axel said they are willing to cooperate fully since they have a benefit from the gross profit. Regardless, you have every rights to know it because M2 SG is your hardwork.
  744. [11/01/2013 7:19:10] Christopher Chia: Dulaan will be the only person involved with this project. Infinity Gulio and Johnny are no more in the scene. I did care about being discreet to some extend. As for marketing, I told Dulaan to only promote the p server in a p server top chart a month later after the launch. This shall make it looks more like a p server if anyone may ask from Gameforge.
  745. [11/01/2013 7:43:19] Christopher Chia: Spain is an attractive retirement destination which carries a great strength of the Roman heritage. Many countries across Europe have influenced the Spanish culture, be it art, cuisine, music or architecture. Spanish literature is considered to have many emblematic works.
  746. [11/01/2013 7:43:26] Christopher Chia: This is on our local newspaper today
  747. [11/01/2013 7:43:27] Christopher Chia: LOL
  748. [11/01/2013 7:43:47] Christopher Chia: Your Government is promoting Singaporean to choose Spain for their retirement
  749. [11/01/2013 7:44:33] Juan Calderón: yes they give you spanish nationality if you buy housing for more than 150,000 euro
  750. [11/01/2013 7:44:48] Christopher Chia: LOL
  751. [11/01/2013 7:45:08] Christopher Chia: I have money but in my CPF which I can only withdraw at age 60
  752. [11/01/2013 7:45:19] Christopher Chia: Else, I may even consider migrating with my wife to Spain XD
  753. [11/01/2013 7:45:38] Christopher Chia: Living cost here is extremely high
  754. [11/01/2013 8:13:45] Christopher Chia: Going for my lunch now. Cya later
  755. [13/01/2013 17:24:10] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan, maybe we can discuss tomorrow morning if you are on skype
  756. [13/01/2013 17:25:10] Christopher Chia: If your decision is insistent against the running of a p server, then I'm afraid that I can't accept your proposal and we will sort out the staffing issue.
  757. [13/01/2013 17:57:19] Christopher Chia: Lastly, before you make any decision, let us talk first. I'm always a reasonable man. I understand you have your principle and I did think through your proposal in a very careful manner. I have never regarded you as an employee. More as a friend and a helpful one when the company was in shit. I do really appreciate everything you have done for me
  758. [13/01/2013 18:50:33] Juan Calderón: First I dont understand why you show a personal mail to everyone
  759. [13/01/2013 18:51:03] Juan Calderón: Anyway
  760. [13/01/2013 18:51:51] Juan Calderón: If its so bad that even firing GM and reducing 3k in hosting cant fix nothing will
  761. [13/01/2013 18:51:58] Juan Calderón: so I wish you the best luck in the future
  762. [13/01/2013 18:52:10] Juan Calderón: its sad that you keep thinking that this is all in my own benefit
  763. [13/01/2013 18:52:25] Juan Calderón: and thats probably what hurts the most
  764. [13/01/2013 18:52:42] Juan Calderón: if thats the impression you have of my work theres nothing for me to do here anymore
  765. [13/01/2013 20:29:07] Juan Calderón: [domingo, 13 de enero de 2013 19:15] Jay (*o_o)=e/?/’?’? ? ? ?:
  766.  
  767. <<< it's just
  768. doesnt Chris see that if you'll leave him, we all eventually will have to leave and that he's doomed? lol
  769. I mean I could apply to the post office and work 3 days a week and get double the salary I get here
  770. but I stay because I see big potential in PH
  771. I wish I could speak up to Chris but I'd be risking the money I'm eating from if I say something against Kaget or Dust
  772. [13/01/2013 20:43:07] Juan Calderón: Anyway leaving aside any other consideration,
  773. [13/01/2013 20:43:20] Juan Calderón: I agreed to work without pay because of the PH project
  774. [13/01/2013 20:43:37] Juan Calderón: once you refuse to honor what we agreed before, whatever is your reason,
  775. [13/01/2013 20:44:03] Juan Calderón: theres no reason for me to work a minute more here and I will have to consider the last 3 months as waste of time.
  776. [13/01/2013 20:44:34] Juan Calderón: I dont expect you will ever pay for it if cutting 10k SGD in expenses cant save the company nothing will.
  777. [13/01/2013 20:45:16] Juan Calderón: I just hope some day you will learn something from your mistakes.
  778. [13/01/2013 20:45:35] Juan Calderón: And my best wishes for your family and child.
  779. [14/01/2013 8:32:15] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan, u there?
  780. [14/01/2013 8:33:12] Juan Calderón: im about to go sleep
  781. [14/01/2013 8:33:25] Christopher Chia: Alright, I will be here in late evening
  782. [14/01/2013 8:33:30] Christopher Chia: We can chat later
  783. [14/01/2013 8:33:33] Christopher Chia: Have a good rest
  784. [14/01/2013 8:34:08] Juan Calderón: did you want to say something?
  785. [14/01/2013 8:34:39] Christopher Chia: Yes, we should talk about your proposal which you sent to me yesterday
  786. [14/01/2013 8:35:26] Juan Calderón: do you still think its something I make out of hate for them?
  787. [14/01/2013 8:35:54] Juan Calderón: I had a chat with Cheryl earlier
  788. [14/01/2013 8:36:02] Christopher Chia: I do not know Juan but I'm more concern that cutting 3 staff won't help the company at all
  789. [14/01/2013 8:36:30] Christopher Chia: We have to think about the future on a long term basis and not short term
  790. [14/01/2013 8:37:00] Christopher Chia: Cutting 3 staff is only fire-fighting and 2 months from now we will be here to talk about the same financial problem
  791. [14/01/2013 8:37:28] Juan Calderón: we can probably cut more
  792. [14/01/2013 8:37:36] Christopher Chia: As long as we fail to pay Ymir or Noria for a month on those royalty, they can denounce us on the licensing.
  793. [14/01/2013 8:37:47] Juan Calderón: as for Metin2,
  794. [14/01/2013 8:38:04] Juan Calderón: I think a Year End Sale wasnt a smart thing to do...
  795. [14/01/2013 8:38:27] Juan Calderón: at least here in my country, the prices always go up in the xmas season
  796. [14/01/2013 8:38:34] Juan Calderón: and the sales are in January
  797. [14/01/2013 8:38:38] Christopher Chia: Every game publisher push for a Year End Sales to recall old players
  798. [14/01/2013 8:38:43] Juan Calderón: when people arent so inclined to spend
  799. [14/01/2013 8:38:49] Christopher Chia: The Year End Sales event did call back some Italians and old players
  800. [14/01/2013 8:38:50] Juan Calderón: we did this the other way round
  801. [14/01/2013 8:39:30] Juan Calderón: do you think it was the event?
  802. [14/01/2013 8:39:41] Christopher Chia: Partly Juan
  803. [14/01/2013 8:39:48] Juan Calderón: or rather the notion that the server was getting frequent updates?
  804. [14/01/2013 8:40:15] Christopher Chia: In 6 days from 25 to 31, the sales went up by 1.2million TP. Unique purchase also went up about 30%
  805. [14/01/2013 8:41:13] Christopher Chia: Anyway, I guess you have your ways on doing things and I have different ways and thinking.
  806. [14/01/2013 8:41:55] Christopher Chia: I'm fine with that but the company stablity is in my hands which I have to look at
  807. [14/01/2013 8:42:18] Christopher Chia: I rather we have a permanent solution and provide for everyone possible
  808. [14/01/2013 8:42:34] Christopher Chia: That is my ways of doing things. I do not like to cut people away unless it is really necessary.
  809. [14/01/2013 8:42:58] Christopher Chia: At the most when the company isn't doing well, I speak with them about a reduction in their salary.
  810. [14/01/2013 8:43:19] Christopher Chia: But to cut someone who has been with me from the first day and did nothing wrong, I won't do it.
  811. [14/01/2013 8:44:37] Juan Calderón: Allright, fair enough.
  812. [14/01/2013 8:45:16] Christopher Chia: About the p server, Tim gave some suggestion to me last night.
  813. [14/01/2013 8:45:30] Christopher Chia: i will go thru his suggestion and think through it the next few days
  814. [14/01/2013 8:47:02] Juan Calderón: You have your ways and you have mine so I guess there's no other choice for me than seeking another job.
  815. [14/01/2013 8:48:30] Juan Calderón: What you do with the private server or SG is not my concern anymore.
  816. [14/01/2013 8:48:43] Juan Calderón: I stayed here under the condition of preparing metin2.ph
  817. [14/01/2013 8:49:09] Juan Calderón: since you turned down my offer there's no reason for me to stay here as I haven't been paid in the last 3 months
  818. [14/01/2013 8:49:41] Christopher Chia: I will back pay you for Nov Dec and Jan
  819. [14/01/2013 8:49:59] Juan Calderón: Chris I dont want money
  820. [14/01/2013 8:50:02] Christopher Chia: I would be glad if yoiu can continue working for the company at those terms of 1600 SGD each month
  821. [14/01/2013 8:50:04] Juan Calderón: I just want to work in peace
  822. [14/01/2013 8:50:16] Juan Calderón: not getting insult and dissing constantly
  823. [14/01/2013 8:50:19] Juan Calderón: [domingo, 13 de enero de 2013 11:29] Mark:
  824.  
  825. <<< Just for the record, i am not jobless, i have a job, as a matter of fact, i started to get paid by TEC only recently even if i was inside the company since 3 years, so seriously what have you been smoking lately?
  826.  
  827.  
  828. We should analize the insane waste of money that you did to this company, from paying your friends DEVs which were useless or paying some shitty vbulletin license that wasn't even used on sevencore forum, which looks like crap and empty. Was your job to finish it, but obviously you have no skills to do it.
  829.  
  830. I don't know why you overstimate yourself so much, you keep doing silly programing mistakes even if you always have an excuse to cover them.
  831.  
  832. Behind every update or fix, we both know that there was, there is, and there will be, Tim hand.
  833.  
  834.  
  835. The one who seems to be maintened here, its you. Despite you try to show off saying Chris owe you 2700 euros, we probably both know it was your mother's money and not yours. I can't keep up the times you said you would quit or resign and yet here you are, trying to blackmail everybody.
  836.  
  837. You always think that who can't program shit, its useless. However in a game industry you need someone who run the games, and honestly you can't do that. You lose temper over shit, you could screw up anything at any moment. You didn't announced yourself on metin for 1 month, after you got all angry on players as if it was the first time you head them complaining. It's still in the archives your "what the fuck it's wrong with you, Sacharow" which kinda show that you are a person that can't handle stress.
  838.  
  839. And also, we should fire the totaly of the DEV team that you created cause they are good for nothing. You even bitched about them few weeks ago on my msn. You change your mind like the weather on April, you can't stick to one thought, for you every people is lazy or useless when you actually act thought saying that you work 200 hours daily, once again we both know, cause i ain't a fool, that many many times, you just went offline waiting tim to be online, cause alone you couldn't fix the problem.
  840.  
  841. So please do us a favour and stop acting like a professionial programmer cause you are not.
  842. [14/01/2013 8:50:20] Christopher Chia: You have peace working with your current team for now
  843. [14/01/2013 8:50:52] Christopher Chia: Ah, Crono spoken with you
  844. [14/01/2013 8:51:07] Christopher Chia: I have discuss the matter with Tom about your letter
  845. [14/01/2013 8:51:22] Juan Calderón: I can imagine the conversation
  846. [14/01/2013 8:51:26] Christopher Chia: It is natural for them to think otherwise coz they have the thoughts that you are trying to get rid of them with threatening
  847. [14/01/2013 8:52:00] Juan Calderón: You are telling me that the company is going bankrupt soon
  848. [14/01/2013 8:52:28] Juan Calderón: yet you pay 1200, 800, 800 and 500 euros to people who we could do fine without
  849. [14/01/2013 8:52:56] Juan Calderón: so what do you expect me to say after I agreed not to be paid myself in order to support you
  850. [14/01/2013 8:53:13] Juan Calderón: I explained it to Cheryl
  851. [14/01/2013 8:53:22] Juan Calderón: I told her I actually asked you to fire her
  852. [14/01/2013 8:53:44] Juan Calderón: and I said well if I want to save a company and we take into account that you earns 10 times as much as Ralph
  853. [14/01/2013 8:53:57] Juan Calderón: and the playercount is shrinking everyday
  854. [14/01/2013 8:54:04] Juan Calderón: thats what makes sense to me
  855. [14/01/2013 8:54:11] Juan Calderón: if the situation is not so bad
  856. [14/01/2013 8:54:16] Juan Calderón: then I would think
  857. [14/01/2013 8:54:35] Juan Calderón: that you just came up with an excuse to turn down the official server project
  858. [14/01/2013 8:55:11] Christopher Chia: Who say to you that i turned down the official m2 PH project?
  859. [14/01/2013 8:55:12] Juan Calderón: but I don't know for sure
  860. [14/01/2013 8:55:33] Christopher Chia: I did not write any email to Ymir rejecting it or told anyone that I gave up on the project
  861. [14/01/2013 8:55:33] Juan Calderón: well to be precise you turned down my investment on it
  862. [14/01/2013 8:55:41] Juan Calderón: which is not the same
  863. [14/01/2013 8:56:09] Juan Calderón: but as I said if you go ahead with those fishy deals with Dulaan, I dont wish to take part in that regardless of how much im paid
  864. [14/01/2013 8:56:20] Juan Calderón: I hope my position is clear now
  865. [14/01/2013 8:56:50] Juan Calderón: I dont wish to link myself to illegal activity and if I ever do such thing I wont involve others in it so lightly
  866. [14/01/2013 8:57:04] Christopher Chia: I turned down your investment coz I didn't want u to throw your money to waste like I did in 2009 with a million SGD
  867. [14/01/2013 8:57:14] Juan Calderón: Chris
  868. [14/01/2013 8:57:24] Christopher Chia: If you do not wish to be involve in a p server, I respect your decision.
  869. [14/01/2013 8:57:38] Juan Calderón: you wasted your money with all due respect due to ignorance
  870. [14/01/2013 8:57:55] Juan Calderón: had you known the things you know now
  871. [14/01/2013 8:58:04 | Editado 8:58:08] Juan Calderón: you would, I hope, do things another way
  872. [14/01/2013 8:58:34] Juan Calderón: it might sound harsh or whatever
  873. [14/01/2013 8:58:46] Christopher Chia: I'm fine with critism
  874. [14/01/2013 8:59:08] Juan Calderón: but I dont have any intention to repeat those mistakes
  875. [14/01/2013 8:59:26] Christopher Chia: I can only say that there are things you do not know about Gameforge.
  876. [14/01/2013 8:59:43] Juan Calderón: and that's why I agreed to the IP block because the intention is to do as every other official Metin2 server does and seek players in your licensed territory and nowhere else
  877. [14/01/2013 8:59:58] Christopher Chia: That day you mentioned that Randy reported us to Gameforge. I still speak with Randy from time to time.
  878. [14/01/2013 9:00:16] Juan Calderón: well I thought it was him because,
  879. [14/01/2013 9:00:30] Juan Calderón: he did write to support asking to be removed from our advertising mails
  880. [14/01/2013 9:00:40] Juan Calderón: couple days later I read about that YMIR complaint
  881. [14/01/2013 9:00:51] Juan Calderón: so I linked both things
  882. [14/01/2013 9:00:56] Christopher Chia: No Jun
  883. [14/01/2013 9:00:59] Christopher Chia: Juan
  884. [14/01/2013 9:01:12] Christopher Chia: Do u know about the relationship between G4Box and Gameforge
  885. [14/01/2013 9:01:17] Christopher Chia: You do not know
  886. [14/01/2013 9:01:27] Christopher Chia: G4Box started as Silverbirch
  887. [14/01/2013 9:01:40] Christopher Chia: When they started G4Box, the company has several investees
  888. [14/01/2013 9:01:56] Christopher Chia: Biggest is Crytologic Asia Pacific
  889. [14/01/2013 9:02:19] Christopher Chia: Thereafter they sold part of their shares to Gameforge which was later sold again to Electionic Arts
  890. [14/01/2013 9:02:33] Christopher Chia: There is a relationship between both of them
  891. [14/01/2013 9:02:56] Christopher Chia: As I was formerly a GM for G4Box and they knew that I'm starting a M2 SG, the pressure went to Ymir
  892. [14/01/2013 9:03:13] Christopher Chia: Of course, getting their partner Gameforge invovled is better since GF is their cash cow
  893. [14/01/2013 9:03:35] Christopher Chia: In GF servers, players are often comparing TEC and GF
  894. [14/01/2013 9:03:48] Christopher Chia: While there is no event in GF servers, there is almost daily event in SG server
  895. [14/01/2013 9:04:04] Christopher Chia: and we listen to all their complains while GF censored every complain made by their players
  896. [14/01/2013 9:05:04] Christopher Chia: As long as GF is around, they will never let us enjoy peace
  897. [14/01/2013 9:05:26] Christopher Chia: To this day, Ymir would put GF above every other licensees in the area of updates and support
  898. [14/01/2013 9:05:54] Christopher Chia: If we have to crawl out from this pit, we have to think for ourselves.
  899. [14/01/2013 9:06:22] Christopher Chia: What if we made the biggest p servers and gained a lot of money from it, we can prepare a bigger team to reverse engineer M2 which Tim is very keen
  900. [14/01/2013 9:06:41] Christopher Chia: M2Master reverse engineer the game and now planning for M3
  901. [14/01/2013 9:07:03] Christopher Chia: It is normal to do it this way
  902. [14/01/2013 9:07:32] Juan Calderón: well part by part
  903. [14/01/2013 9:08:25] Christopher Chia: My greatest wish one day is that we are able to break away from ymir and the threat by Gameforge when we can create our own IP similar to M2
  904. [14/01/2013 9:09:18] Juan Calderón: [lunes, 14 de enero de 2013 9:05] Christopher Chia:
  905.  
  906. <<< To this day, Ymir would put GF above every other licensees in the area of updates and supportAt this moment we have the same updates (the delay is ours) and our support is actually better since we do it ourselves. Metin2 SG is more stable than any other official server. Chat bug core crashes time over you name it are all common in GF/Z8
  907. [14/01/2013 9:10:16] Juan Calderón: [lunes, 14 de enero de 2013 9:06] Christopher Chia:
  908.  
  909. <<< What if we made the biggest p servers and gained a lot of money from it, we can prepare a bigger team to reverse engineer M2 which Tim is very keenThis is the worst possible moment to open a pserver as player are finding officials are updated more often than pservers and are coming back to the licensed servers
  910. [14/01/2013 9:10:26] Juan Calderón: Besides, only very few made much money from it,
  911. [14/01/2013 9:10:39] Juan Calderón: and those had luck, or a big team behind it
  912. [14/01/2013 9:10:53] Juan Calderón: Pserver owners like to boast too much
  913. [14/01/2013 9:11:05] Juan Calderón: but the real figures are not so impressive
  914. [14/01/2013 9:11:39] Christopher Chia: If we never try it out, we will never know bro
  915. [14/01/2013 9:12:18] Christopher Chia: Do u know that while we paid 300k USD for the license of M2 SG, Ymir paid 0 for the license of whole EU NA and part of SA
  916. [14/01/2013 9:12:35] Christopher Chia: While we pay 30% royalty now, GF is only paying 20%
  917. [14/01/2013 9:12:51] Christopher Chia: Rightfully, Ymir should treat both the same but they are not
  918. [14/01/2013 9:13:04] Juan Calderón: because Gameforge holds the power in that relationship.
  919. [14/01/2013 9:13:07] Christopher Chia: 30% and Tec must pay for withholding tax which is 4.8%
  920. [14/01/2013 9:13:24] Christopher Chia: Every dollar we made, we have to pay 0.348 to Ymir
  921. [14/01/2013 9:13:24] Juan Calderón: however Ymir can do fine without us.
  922. [14/01/2013 9:13:51] Christopher Chia: Well Juan, Ymir never considered us a partner from the first day till we are with IAH
  923. [14/01/2013 9:14:31] Christopher Chia: And also because The9 Limited in China which is invested by Raffles Venture is NHN Webzen biggest partner in China for MU Online and several other games
  924. [14/01/2013 9:15:00] Christopher Chia: Else, I can imagine Ymir will treat us the same way and hoping that one day we will fail and give up
  925. [14/01/2013 9:15:20] Christopher Chia: That day, GF will be very happy and praise Ymir for their good effort
  926. [14/01/2013 9:16:01] Juan Calderón: I think you oversestimate our importance in the big picture
  927. [14/01/2013 9:18:46] Christopher Chia: Well Juan, it is pointless to talk about this since we have different views and understanding of the past. Moving forward, I will give u a proposal for M2 PH official server maybe in next 2 days. If you think that the proposal is fair for you, we can still continue on it. Meanwhile, i will ask Tim to prepare the p server.
  928. [14/01/2013 9:21:34] Juan Calderón: Chris again; don't count on me if you insist in running a private server.
  929. [14/01/2013 9:22:46] Juan Calderón: that's my last word on it
  930. [14/01/2013 9:23:05] Christopher Chia: Like I said, I can respect your thinking in this matter and I won't get you involve with the p server
  931. [14/01/2013 9:23:24] Juan Calderón: I am not you and I don't know your situation but I certainly don't need to be linked to any illegal activity to make a living.
  932. [14/01/2013 9:23:34] Christopher Chia: Ok
  933. [14/01/2013 9:24:26] Juan Calderón: Even if you state that we will run the official separately, I don't want to be part of the company even if im not involved with this private server.
  934. [14/01/2013 9:24:50] Juan Calderón: Because when the shit hits the fan and either Dulaan or YMIR find out youre double playing them
  935. [14/01/2013 9:24:53] Juan Calderón: it wont be pretty
  936. [14/01/2013 9:25:01] Juan Calderón: and I dont want to be anywhere near it
  937. [14/01/2013 9:25:04] Juan Calderón: allright?
  938. [14/01/2013 9:25:14] Christopher Chia: Fine
  939. [14/01/2013 9:25:40] Juan Calderón: Thanks for understanding.
  940. [14/01/2013 9:25:48] Juan Calderón: I will go take a nap now.
  941. [14/01/2013 9:25:58] Christopher Chia: Alright Juan, have a good rest
  942. [16/01/2013 1:37:11] Juan Calderón: Hello
  943. [16/01/2013 1:37:21] Juan Calderón: I have been thinking carefully about it.
  944. [16/01/2013 1:38:52] Juan Calderón: First a bit of historical data.
  945. [16/01/2013 1:39:07] Juan Calderón: When I joined TEC Interactive, the company was making monthly loses.
  946. [16/01/2013 1:40:07] Juan Calderón: after a year, the sales had increased threefold and the expenses were reduced by three quarters, in rough numbers.
  947. [16/01/2013 1:40:52] Juan Calderón: this allowed you to hire Tom, Tony, and later Crono.
  948. [16/01/2013 1:41:32] Juan Calderón: While I was left to manage the Dev team, you insisted that those three should remain under your guidance.
  949. [16/01/2013 1:41:45] Juan Calderón: However, you never had the time or interest to check on their work.
  950. [16/01/2013 1:42:47] Juan Calderón: While the Dev team was kept under more or less strict discipline, the GM not only did nothing at all but actively refused to it, such as when we had the idea of showing which GM are online they went all angry at Jami and me
  951. [16/01/2013 1:43:58 | Editado 2:58:22] Juan Calderón: It's no wonder that they were with you from the beginning as while I'm not that kind of person, I can imagine the big majority of people in the world would welcome being paid 800 euros monthly for logging in to MSN daily for a while and reading a couple of mails, while I'm paid 100 euros more for putting 8 to 12 hours daily.
  952. [16/01/2013 1:44:19] Juan Calderón: Oh, and starting the OX and Budokan.
  953. [16/01/2013 1:44:21] Juan Calderón: That's it.
  954. [16/01/2013 1:44:34 | Editado 2:58:45] Juan Calderón: They never tested any of our updates, when we asked them to lend a hand with testing they made up excuses.
  955. [16/01/2013 1:45:24] Juan Calderón: They hardly participate in the forum, and when they do, they express themselves with little professionality (remember flame wars of Crono in SC)
  956. [16/01/2013 1:46:01] Juan Calderón: They hardly talk to players. Tom rarely does it and Tony is mocked for his english the rare times he announce anything.
  957. [16/01/2013 1:46:32] Juan Calderón: They do not contribute any ideas or otherwise want to participate in development in any way.
  958. [16/01/2013 1:47:51] Juan Calderón: That you are delaying the payment of the people who are actually making this train move, and even claiming financial problems, while spending over 2,000 euro monthly in this complete wastage, is offensive to someone like me who even tried to support you a bit financially the best I could.
  959. [16/01/2013 1:48:22] Juan Calderón: Do not tell me that you are "going to have a conversation" with them because you said that a hundred times and their attitude didn't change a bit.
  960. [16/01/2013 1:49:33] Juan Calderón: Ah, and they always refused that anybody else helped them out with GM work. I can imagine why as it would make their lazyness more aparent.
  961. [16/01/2013 1:50:55] Juan Calderón: From June to November last year, the time I spent outside of the Metin2 SG team, the number of players daily lowered from 900 to 600 in Metin2.
  962. [16/01/2013 1:51:18] Juan Calderón: Now that you have a picture of what's the value of everyone here on my view,
  963. [16/01/2013 1:51:33] Juan Calderón: here are the two conditions for me to stay in TEC Interactive
  964. [16/01/2013 1:52:04] Juan Calderón: First, TEC Interactive will not be involved in any priivate server or illegal or corrupt activity
  965. [16/01/2013 1:52:49] Juan Calderón: this includes gifting stuff to people behind the table or making godlike chars to kill your spare time
  966. [16/01/2013 1:53:18 | Editado 2:02:58] Juan Calderón: Second, dust pharoah and mark shouldn't be part of the company.
  967. [16/01/2013 1:53:48] Juan Calderón: Once you accepted those points, the rest can be discussed.
  968. [16/01/2013 1:54:19 | Editado 2:59:53] Juan Calderón: And I will inmediately get back to work in the big updates we promised our players and renew the GM support by having the Dev team take active part on it so that we REALLY make use of our resources properly.
  969. [16/01/2013 1:54:47] Juan Calderón: If you don't, I will simply move on and find a job elsewhere.
  970. [16/01/2013 1:55:22] Juan Calderón: Don't worry that I could spread rumors or otherwise try to act against you in any way once I left; I won't.
  971. [16/01/2013 1:55:37] Juan Calderón: However, if you decide to proceed without me,
  972. [16/01/2013 1:56:10 | Editado 2:09:09] Juan Calderón: this big update might never come or be delayed significantly -since most of the hard work was being done by me and Sasha- and the players in Metin2 SG will feel deceived. Also, the migration in Sevencore which would save TEC 3k USD monthly, might never happen.
  973. [16/01/2013 1:56:40] Juan Calderón: Other members in the Dev team would probably quit except for Tim and maybe Axel, though there will be nobody to guide them in their work.
  974. [16/01/2013 1:57:03 | Editado 2:08:05] Juan Calderón: Jami already stated he has no interest in staying here if I leave and the PH project is cancelled
  975. [16/01/2013 1:58:13] Juan Calderón: You might go forward with your pserver project but I can predict that it will fail, as the successful ones are those that have a clear leadership and a capable team, yet you only have Dulaan (who you fooled) and Crono who doesn't have any skill whatsoever.
  976. [16/01/2013 1:58:32] Juan Calderón: As for the official, there wouldn't be anybody to run it.
  977. [16/01/2013 1:59:13] Juan Calderón: I'm not doing all the work here mind you, but I'm making others work, and do it in something productive
  978. [16/01/2013 1:59:40] Juan Calderón: thats my main contribution to it and the reason we have the most liked official server
  979. [16/01/2013 2:00:02] Juan Calderón: Now you can take your decision.
  980. [16/01/2013 2:01:47] Juan Calderón: We can cancel the PH project or do it in a different maner, we can cut other members in the Dev team as well, all of that im ready to discuss.
  981. [16/01/2013 2:02:04] Juan Calderón: But those two points cant be negotiated.
  982. [16/01/2013 3:08:17] Juan Calderón: You spent your money and I made it possible that the company is still existing today.
  983. [16/01/2013 3:10:10] Juan Calderón: Now it's your decision if you want to optimize the company and slowly take it back to profitability utilizing a bit of common sense or rather become a scammer managing an illegal business.
  984. [16/01/2013 3:12:54] Juan Calderón: And before you call me selfish, maybe you should realize that I haven't asked for a raise once in 3 years that I can remember, despite being paid way below the market value of someone with these skills.
  985. [16/01/2013 3:14:08] Juan Calderón: http://www.infojobs.net/madrid/administrador-sistemas-linux-windows/of-i9d673bdbef43429be68df7d8cdf087&navOrigen=ppl_c_pa_ofer_empl_inde_info_info&xtor=SEC-11-ADF-%5Bindeed.infojobs.informatica.oferta_empleo%5D&xts=463787?utm_source=Indeed&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Indeed
  986. [16/01/2013 3:14:18 | Editado 3:15:07] Juan Calderón: this is a random job offer matching my skills in Spain
  987. [16/01/2013 3:14:26] Juan Calderón: 21,000 - 24,000 euro per year
  988. [16/01/2013 3:14:43] Juan Calderón: took me 30 seconds to find it
  989. [16/01/2013 3:17:09] Juan Calderón: Probably most of the devs could easily find a better job paid as well.
  990. [16/01/2013 3:17:42] Juan Calderón: Yet we sticked here with you.
  991. [16/01/2013 3:18:40] Juan Calderón: even after those earlier promises of becoming a big business never were realized
  992. [16/01/2013 3:19:01] Juan Calderón: even after all the disappointments we had
  993. [17/01/2013 20:13:15] Christopher Chia: Alright Juan, I believe it is hard for me to accept those terms which you have pointed out. I have my principles in doing things. It is my failure to make u understand that principle which I have with me from the first day. I'm sorry that I have been a stumbling block to your career advancement. As I mentioned to you in a mail, I will make up a decent compensation when the company is back on a strong financial path.
  994. [17/01/2013 20:16:26] Juan Calderón: your principle is that acting in unethical way is ok as long as nobody find out
  995. [17/01/2013 20:16:33] Juan Calderón: my principles are different
  996. [17/01/2013 20:26:12] Christopher Chia: Yes bro, we have different views and different understanding
  997. [17/01/2013 20:26:41] Christopher Chia: I would not force you to accept what I have in my principle but I have to tell you that certain action are compel by circumstances
  998. [17/01/2013 20:27:49] Juan Calderón: It was your decisions that took us here
  999. [17/01/2013 20:27:51] Juan Calderón: not mine
  1000. [17/01/2013 20:28:02] Juan Calderón: I didnt dign an IP block for SG
  1001. [17/01/2013 20:28:09] Juan Calderón: I didnt chose SC as our second game
  1002. [17/01/2013 20:28:27] Juan Calderón: I didnt believe their crap about 3k CCU from day one
  1003. [17/01/2013 20:28:32] Juan Calderón: I even showed you evidence
  1004. [17/01/2013 20:28:36] Juan Calderón: everyone ignored it
  1005. [17/01/2013 20:29:07] Juan Calderón: I didnt ask you to pay 800 euro monthly to some random friend either
  1006. [17/01/2013 20:29:20] Juan Calderón: pay epvp
  1007. [17/01/2013 20:29:22] Juan Calderón: pay eddy
  1008. [17/01/2013 20:29:35] Juan Calderón: or hire a designer who cant design, though I must say shes a great CM
  1009. [17/01/2013 20:29:49] Juan Calderón: at least she tries unlike other
  1010. [17/01/2013 20:31:09] Juan Calderón: you always say how you left me margin for my own ideas
  1011. [17/01/2013 20:31:14] Juan Calderón: but the key decisions
  1012. [17/01/2013 20:31:16] Juan Calderón: were yours
  1013. [17/01/2013 20:31:35] Christopher Chia: Running a business isn't smooth sailing. There are risk which I have to take. I'm also mindful that out of 10 businesses, 9 has failed.
  1014. [17/01/2013 20:32:06] Christopher Chia: But as I made some of those mistake, I just have to learn from it and hopefully become better and better if I have another opportunity which I shall be trying and trying
  1015. [17/01/2013 20:33:07] Christopher Chia: Back in SG tomorrow, let me go through over the weekend our balance debt and work out a proposal for repayment to you by Sunday
  1016. [17/01/2013 20:33:26] Christopher Chia: I can promise that when the company has that extra cash, I won't hesitate to clear your debts first
  1017. [17/01/2013 20:34:01] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, we can still be friends and let me assure you that I did value your work and truly appreciate what you have done for the company
  1018. [17/01/2013 20:34:20] Christopher Chia: If there are more opportunities in the future, I would not hesitate to explore those opportunities with you
  1019. [17/01/2013 20:34:33] Christopher Chia: As for Jami, I did have some conversation with him
  1020. [17/01/2013 20:34:44] Christopher Chia: Yes, he did tell me that he might not be staying.
  1021. [17/01/2013 20:34:54] Christopher Chia: I ask him to consider carefully and let me know again over the weekend.
  1022. [17/01/2013 20:35:14] Christopher Chia: As for Tim and Axel, I will speak with them separately once I'm back in SG
  1023. [17/01/2013 20:35:33] Juan Calderón: Tim and Axel will do anything as long as you pay them
  1024. [17/01/2013 20:35:52] Christopher Chia: I may ask Ymir to take over the update issues for M2 SG and relinquish such duties which GF and other publishers are enjoying
  1025. [17/01/2013 20:36:06] Juan Calderón: GF make their own updates as well.
  1026. [17/01/2013 20:36:22] Christopher Chia: Update should have been dealt by Ymir
  1027. [17/01/2013 20:36:39] Christopher Chia: Yes, they can do so as they have plenty of resources but Tec doesn't
  1028. [17/01/2013 20:37:03] Christopher Chia: With limited resources, I will just use what I have to make it up for the game and the players
  1029. [17/01/2013 20:37:36] Juan Calderón: [jueves, 17 de enero de 2013 20:36] Christopher Chia:
  1030.  
  1031. <<< Update should have been dealt by Ymir
  1032. [17/01/2013 20:37:38] Juan Calderón: lol...
  1033. [17/01/2013 20:40:10] Juan Calderón: I can see the hand of Crono here
  1034. [17/01/2013 20:40:19] Juan Calderón: "juan just hire his buddies and bitches"
  1035. [17/01/2013 20:40:20] Juan Calderón: ok
  1036. [17/01/2013 20:40:23] Juan Calderón: you took sides already
  1037. [17/01/2013 20:40:27] Juan Calderón: good luck with it
  1038. [17/01/2013 20:40:44] Christopher Chia: it is not taking side but that your demand is impossible for me to fulfill
  1039. [17/01/2013 20:41:05] Christopher Chia: I guess you may already know that it is impossible
  1040. [17/01/2013 20:41:11] Juan Calderón: I cant believe you would rather let the server become Z8
  1041. [17/01/2013 20:41:33] Christopher Chia: As much as possible, I won't let that happen
  1042. [17/01/2013 20:41:45] Juan Calderón: thats what Ymir updates take you
  1043. [17/01/2013 20:41:48] Juan Calderón: mall-only
  1044. [17/01/2013 20:41:58] Christopher Chia: I will speak with Tim and Axel to see if they have any better suggestion or if not to recommend me some friends of theirs who may be able to do such work
  1045. [17/01/2013 20:42:20] Juan Calderón: a lot of people can do it
  1046. [17/01/2013 20:42:26] Juan Calderón: when thay are being GUIDED
  1047. [17/01/2013 20:42:37] Juan Calderón: which you never did with the GM
  1048. [17/01/2013 20:42:47] Juan Calderón: so they do whatever they please AKA nothing
  1049. [17/01/2013 20:42:50] Juan Calderón: all the changes
  1050. [17/01/2013 20:42:55] Juan Calderón: were on test server for weeks
  1051. [17/01/2013 20:43:12] Juan Calderón: they didnt bother logging in once
  1052. [17/01/2013 20:43:27] Juan Calderón: in fact Tom or Tony havent said a word in dev chat for weeks
  1053. [17/01/2013 20:44:08] Christopher Chia: I won't say much about them at the moment cause whatever I may say you would think it is out of prejudice
  1054. [17/01/2013 20:44:18] Juan Calderón: I am not a great programmer
  1055. [17/01/2013 20:44:27] Juan Calderón: I just was telling everyone what to do and following up
  1056. [17/01/2013 20:44:32] Juan Calderón: and thats how it worked
  1057. [17/01/2013 20:44:45] Juan Calderón: whenever I tried to teach something to GM they dissed me
  1058. [17/01/2013 20:44:59] Juan Calderón: A week before I joined TEC
  1059. [17/01/2013 20:45:08] Juan Calderón: I posted about how to change quest flags
  1060. [17/01/2013 20:45:16] Juan Calderón: still to this day 3 years later
  1061. [17/01/2013 20:45:23] Juan Calderón: they dont know how to do it
  1062. [17/01/2013 20:45:31] Juan Calderón: thats how much dedication they have
  1063. [17/01/2013 20:46:20] Juan Calderón: same for Sevencore I had to guide Cheryl on some things
  1064. [17/01/2013 20:46:34] Juan Calderón: suddenly one day Im told you were caught playing a GM char in OCW
  1065. [17/01/2013 20:47:15] Christopher Chia: U were wrong Juan. Before Ralph joined us or even after he has joined us, I was single handedly running every event in Sevencore
  1066. [17/01/2013 20:48:10] Christopher Chia: Anyway, I won't dispute with you about the past. It seems pointless now as I really do not want to hinder your future prospect in career advancement
  1067. [17/01/2013 20:48:31] Christopher Chia: My only request is that you can pass on your work to Tim and Harris so that they can continue from there.
  1068. [17/01/2013 20:48:37] Juan Calderón: I wanted to advance with the company
  1069. [17/01/2013 20:48:51] Juan Calderón: but instead of improving it seems we were doing
  1070. [17/01/2013 20:48:54] Juan Calderón: the opposite
  1071. [17/01/2013 20:49:05] Juan Calderón: Tim has everything already
  1072. [17/01/2013 20:49:20] Christopher Chia: One thing for sure, I do not have any bad feeling towards you. I may have been blunt some time but nothing against you.
  1073. [17/01/2013 20:49:22] Juan Calderón: all my work is in the common svn all the devs have access to
  1074. [17/01/2013 20:49:39] Christopher Chia: Ah
  1075. [17/01/2013 20:49:50] Christopher Chia: Alright, I will check with Tim tomorrow.
  1076. [17/01/2013 20:50:07] Juan Calderón: also Tim has any password you may need
  1077. [17/01/2013 20:50:12] Christopher Chia: I sewe
  1078. [17/01/2013 20:50:31] Christopher Chia: For Sevencore as well?
  1079. [17/01/2013 20:50:57] Juan Calderón: yes
  1080. [17/01/2013 20:51:01] Christopher Chia: Ok
  1081. [17/01/2013 20:51:46] Christopher Chia: By the way, let me inform ymir and Noria about your resignation next week while I look for alternative solution.
  1082. [17/01/2013 20:51:57] Juan Calderón: sure.
  1083. [17/01/2013 20:52:00] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  1084. [17/01/2013 20:52:16] Christopher Chia: About those updates u mentioned above, those were already sent to us or not yet?
  1085. [17/01/2013 20:52:28] Juan Calderón: which ones
  1086. [17/01/2013 20:52:33] Christopher Chia: Coz I think Tim doesn't know as he hasn't be able to follow up closely
  1087. [17/01/2013 20:52:47] Christopher Chia: Ah, I have no idea what are the updates that has been given to us
  1088. [17/01/2013 20:53:15] Juan Calderón: its Spider Dungeon boss room, and new main quests that are missing now
  1089. [17/01/2013 20:54:43] Christopher Chia: I see
  1090. [17/01/2013 20:54:56] Christopher Chia: Anyway, I was told that the SD3 isn't working
  1091. [17/01/2013 20:55:07] Christopher Chia: I will ask Tim to check with Ymir to find out what went wrong
  1092. [17/01/2013 20:55:14] Christopher Chia: Coz players were stuck at ch99
  1093. [17/01/2013 20:55:21] Juan Calderón: ch99 is down
  1094. [17/01/2013 20:55:27] Juan Calderón: I told it to Tim already
  1095. [17/01/2013 20:55:34] Juan Calderón: I left him a message this morning
  1096. [17/01/2013 20:55:36] Christopher Chia: Ah
  1097. [17/01/2013 20:55:39] Christopher Chia: ok
  1098. [17/01/2013 20:55:49] Christopher Chia: Yes, Tim is looking at it now to fix those bugs
  1099. [17/01/2013 20:57:23] Christopher Chia: Alright bro, I will go take a rest now. Once again, I'm sorry that it has to turn out this way. I'm always on Skype if u need anything in future.
  1100. [17/01/2013 20:57:33] Juan Calderón: good luck.
  1101. [17/01/2013 20:57:51] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  1102. [18/01/2013 3:31:13] Christopher Chia: Juan, if it is possible, see if you can patch the X-trap update for Sevencore the last time. I asked Tim to take a look last night and according to him the domain for X-Trap patch has been removed.
  1103. [18/01/2013 5:02:07] Christopher Chia: Juan, I need urgently this following information for sevencore as the game has been down due to X-trap issues since yesterday
  1104. [18/01/2013 5:02:10] Christopher Chia: CDN access ID/PW and access route.
  1105. [19/01/2013 9:00:48] Juan Calderón: hi
  1106. [19/01/2013 9:01:00] Christopher Chia: Hi
  1107. [19/01/2013 9:01:13] Juan Calderón: the metin2 db server went bonkers for some reason
  1108. [19/01/2013 9:01:18] Juan Calderón: I restarted it
  1109. [19/01/2013 9:01:24] Juan Calderón: because thats dangerous
  1110. [19/01/2013 9:01:33] Juan Calderón: people can use hermits indefinitely
  1111. [19/01/2013 9:01:42] Christopher Chia: Oh
  1112. [19/01/2013 9:01:55] Christopher Chia: I thought Tim changed the server access already?
  1113. [19/01/2013 9:02:20] Christopher Chia: I just login and Mark told me there was some problems in the server where Ch1 went down and there was chat bug.
  1114. [19/01/2013 9:02:54] Juan Calderón: ah sorry I didnt know I wasnt supposed to login
  1115. [19/01/2013 9:02:55] Juan Calderón: nvm
  1116. [19/01/2013 9:03:19] Christopher Chia: I see
  1117. [19/01/2013 9:03:35] Christopher Chia: So u have fixed the problem? Else, i will try to call Tim on the phone now?
  1118. [19/01/2013 9:03:51] Juan Calderón: Yes, it should be fixed.
  1119. [19/01/2013 9:04:04] Christopher Chia: Ah
  1120. [19/01/2013 9:04:58] Christopher Chia: By the way, I already heard you will write a mail to Mr Kim for M2 Argentina and if it is not granted, you will start your p server.
  1121. [19/01/2013 9:05:22] Juan Calderón: thats ideas we are throwing around
  1122. [19/01/2013 9:05:26] Juan Calderón: yep
  1123. [19/01/2013 9:05:35] Christopher Chia: I told Tim that I'm fine that you can use the SG server file if you start your own p server but future updates will not be given to you.
  1124. [19/01/2013 9:06:02] Christopher Chia: As for Jami, Alma and Axel, the company will stop their employment coz I heard they are with you for this project.
  1125. [19/01/2013 9:06:19] Christopher Chia: Coz when I spoke to Jami and Alma, I was told different things previously.
  1126. [19/01/2013 9:06:33] Christopher Chia: As for Axel, I hasn't a chance to speak with him but I can imagine he will join your team.
  1127. [19/01/2013 9:07:05] Juan Calderón: there isnt any project
  1128. [19/01/2013 9:07:09] Christopher Chia: Regarding the salary owing to Jazmine and Angel, I will clear it by Moneybookers on Monday after I charged some money from company corporate Paypal to Moneybookers
  1129. [19/01/2013 9:07:21] Juan Calderón: so far just ideas
  1130. [19/01/2013 9:07:57] Christopher Chia: Whether ideas or not, I guess being truthful to me is important on their part.
  1131. [19/01/2013 9:08:38] Christopher Chia: I hope you understand what I meant.
  1132. [19/01/2013 9:08:50] Christopher Chia: I'm sure you would probably do the same if you were in my shoes.
  1133. [19/01/2013 9:09:17] Juan Calderón: unbelievable.
  1134. [19/01/2013 9:11:09] Christopher Chia: I did spoke with both of them recently and Jami told me that he will need to focus on his studies and may look for a new job while the company continues to hire him. However, what I heard is something much different. As for Alma, I spoke to her last night and she was furious about the issue of the p server thingy which she wrote on the group chat. She did not mention anything that she and her sister will be working for you.
  1135. [19/01/2013 9:11:30] Juan Calderón: I mean, that you are firing people because they joined me in a chat group
  1136. [19/01/2013 9:11:39] Christopher Chia: No Juan
  1137. [19/01/2013 9:11:49] Juan Calderón: there isnt any project or anybody working for me lol
  1138. [19/01/2013 9:12:05] Christopher Chia: You need to understand that if they work for you in that p server, I can't hire them anymore.
  1139. [19/01/2013 9:12:15] Juan Calderón: which p server
  1140. [19/01/2013 9:12:26] Juan Calderón: I told them the ideas
  1141. [19/01/2013 9:12:27] Christopher Chia: I read the chat bro.
  1142. [19/01/2013 9:12:43] Juan Calderón: was to start a company and create an official server
  1143. [19/01/2013 9:13:06] Christopher Chia: Yes, Jami even mentioned that he will continue to speak with Jongmin
  1144. [19/01/2013 9:13:27] Christopher Chia: What do u expect me to react having seen that chat?
  1145. [19/01/2013 9:14:10] Juan Calderón: of course he would speak with Jongmin
  1146. [19/01/2013 9:14:20] Juan Calderón: he was expecting to continue working for you
  1147. [19/01/2013 9:14:34] Juan Calderón: but nvm
  1148. [19/01/2013 9:14:37] Juan Calderón: do it your way
  1149. [19/01/2013 9:15:28] Juan Calderón: and im not touching your servers anymore dont worry
  1150. [19/01/2013 9:16:13] Christopher Chia: Juan, I'm not an unreasonable man. I will speak with Jami when I see him online.
  1151. [19/01/2013 9:17:00] Christopher Chia: It isn't my way of working to fire anyone and over the 3 years, the only person I have terminated is Myrto coz the company can't pay her for the work.
  1152. [19/01/2013 9:17:07] Christopher Chia: Nico and many others left on their own.
  1153. [19/01/2013 9:17:37] Christopher Chia: Apart from that, no matter how hard it was for the company in financial terms, I have never cut away anyone. Not forgetting that I don't even pay myself.
  1154. [19/01/2013 9:17:50] Christopher Chia: I was hoping you could understand me a lil more.
  1155. [19/01/2013 9:18:09] Christopher Chia: And I don't think I have ever been untruthful with my words to anyone or had slandered about anybody in the company.
  1156. [19/01/2013 9:19:23] Juan Calderón: What do you expect when I hear people who has been working for a lot of hours daily havent been paid?
  1157. [19/01/2013 9:19:36] Juan Calderón: and you owe me 2,700 euros
  1158. [19/01/2013 9:19:44] Juan Calderón: yet you will keep paying for 2 guys
  1159. [19/01/2013 9:19:51] Juan Calderón: whose work is completely redundant
  1160. [19/01/2013 9:20:02] Juan Calderón: what do I think in the end?
  1161. [19/01/2013 9:20:19] Christopher Chia: You are wrong Juan. Apart from the money owing to you, who have I not paid? Jazmine and Angel were never hired by the company. I have a record that I made this very clear.
  1162. [19/01/2013 9:20:25] Juan Calderón: In the end I thought that just saying YES to whatever you say pays off better
  1163. [19/01/2013 9:20:35] Juan Calderón: than really working to improve things
  1164. [19/01/2013 9:20:37] Christopher Chia: I did owe salary but as soon as the money came in, I made my part and clear the payment.
  1165. [19/01/2013 9:20:39] Juan Calderón: even if sometimes
  1166. [19/01/2013 9:20:47] Juan Calderón: you hear things you dont like
  1167. [19/01/2013 9:20:52] Christopher Chia: When you were with me, did you remember a month that I owed you payment before we started Sevencore?
  1168. [19/01/2013 9:20:55] Christopher Chia: Never
  1169. [19/01/2013 9:21:02] Christopher Chia: I always did it promptly every month
  1170. [19/01/2013 9:21:22] Christopher Chia: Crono, Tom and Tony did not receive their salary on time last 2 months.
  1171. [19/01/2013 9:21:30] Christopher Chia: In fact, I have yet to pay them for December.
  1172. [19/01/2013 9:21:40] Christopher Chia: You may check with them
  1173. [19/01/2013 9:21:49] Juan Calderón: and then you tell me you pay 2,500 for an accountant
  1174. [19/01/2013 9:21:50] Christopher Chia: The few person whom i paid first are from the Dev Team
  1175. [19/01/2013 9:21:53] Christopher Chia: Jami was the first
  1176. [19/01/2013 9:22:02] Christopher Chia: Followed by all those whom I can paid thru Paypal
  1177. [19/01/2013 9:22:10] Christopher Chia: Thereof, I sent the money to Tim and Axel first
  1178. [19/01/2013 9:22:33] Christopher Chia: You were too fast to jump to conclusion without asking or checking with Crono, Tom and Tony
  1179. [19/01/2013 9:23:08] Christopher Chia: I did not even pay Tony's brother for FIFA website since the first day telling him that the company is in debt and would ever pay him when we have more money.
  1180. [19/01/2013 9:23:15] Christopher Chia: I guess I have been fair in this matter.
  1181. [19/01/2013 9:23:38] Christopher Chia: Do you know that every registered company in SG need a private accountant and auditor?
  1182. [19/01/2013 9:23:50] Christopher Chia: The accountant and auditor cannot be from the company.
  1183. [19/01/2013 9:24:02] Christopher Chia: It must be one of those appointed by ACRA
  1184. [19/01/2013 9:24:10] Juan Calderón: and arent there consultants or agencies
  1185. [19/01/2013 9:24:18] Juan Calderón: that handle a lot of small companies?
  1186. [19/01/2013 9:24:23] Christopher Chia: The one we hired from MH Goh Audit and Accountancy is the cheapest I can find in SG
  1187. [19/01/2013 9:24:24] Juan Calderón: for much cheaper
  1188. [19/01/2013 9:24:32] Christopher Chia: There isn't
  1189. [19/01/2013 9:24:40] Christopher Chia: Most of those firm charges more than 5000 a month
  1190. [19/01/2013 9:24:59] Christopher Chia: It is not about the workload on accountancy but rather the lowest fee we must pay for such work
  1191. [19/01/2013 9:25:27] Christopher Chia: Previously, Darrel's wife was doing it for us through a friend of hers for 2k
  1192. [19/01/2013 9:25:33] Christopher Chia: I remembered that I shared this before
  1193. [19/01/2013 9:25:51] Christopher Chia: But after Darrel was bought out, I started to look around and found 2.5k is the cheapest
  1194. [19/01/2013 9:25:58] Juan Calderón: I see
  1195. [19/01/2013 9:26:07] Christopher Chia: There again, you didn't know or even asked me
  1196. [19/01/2013 9:26:26] Christopher Chia: You can check with any registered private and limited company in SG about this matter.
  1197. [19/01/2013 9:26:38] Christopher Chia: IAH paid more than 20,000 for auditing and accounting.
  1198. [19/01/2013 9:26:40] Juan Calderón: allright
  1199. [19/01/2013 9:26:58] Christopher Chia: As for Cheryl, her salary is considered low in SG
  1200. [19/01/2013 9:27:07] Christopher Chia: You can ask Cheryl about manpower regulation in SG
  1201. [19/01/2013 9:27:13] Juan Calderón: and Chris
  1202. [19/01/2013 9:27:20] Christopher Chia: The company can be fined if we failed to pay Singaporean decently
  1203. [19/01/2013 9:27:24] Juan Calderón: when the option is the company going bankrupt?
  1204. [19/01/2013 9:27:30] Christopher Chia: That is why I have never wanted to hire any Singaporean for 3 years
  1205. [19/01/2013 9:27:35] Christopher Chia: When Noel worked for me, it was secretly
  1206. [19/01/2013 9:27:56] Christopher Chia: I doubt it will go bankrupt
  1207. [19/01/2013 9:28:05] Juan Calderón: you told me yourself
  1208. [19/01/2013 9:28:16] Christopher Chia: I may decide to stop Sevencore if the situation doesn't improve.
  1209. [19/01/2013 9:28:23] Juan Calderón: that you had maybe 2 3 months to go
  1210. [19/01/2013 9:28:27] Juan Calderón: before foing bust
  1211. [19/01/2013 9:28:32] Christopher Chia: M2 SG is still able to support the company but Sevencore is dragging down the finances
  1212. [19/01/2013 9:28:59] Christopher Chia: Yes, what I meant is that the company may go bust if we do not make changes
  1213. [19/01/2013 9:29:21] Christopher Chia: I have already spoken to Ray from High1 about our consideration to stop Sevencore
  1214. [19/01/2013 9:29:35] Christopher Chia: But before I make such decision, I will speak with the partners from Raffles Venture
  1215. [19/01/2013 9:30:06] Christopher Chia: I know you wanted to ask Ymir for M2 SG if ever the company goes down. If that really happens, I will come and speak with you on an offer.
  1216. [19/01/2013 9:30:24] Juan Calderón: Well the way you talked
  1217. [19/01/2013 9:30:33] Christopher Chia: Coz under the License contract, the database and server shall goes to Ymir when the game publisher can't sustain furthere.
  1218. [19/01/2013 9:30:34] Juan Calderón: I was absolutely sure that would happen
  1219. [19/01/2013 9:30:36] Christopher Chia: further*
  1220. [19/01/2013 9:30:45] Juan Calderón: but that doesnt mean that I wish for that to happen
  1221. [19/01/2013 9:30:53] Juan Calderón: what I wanted always
  1222. [19/01/2013 9:31:02] Juan Calderón: is for our work to be appreciated
  1223. [19/01/2013 9:31:05] Juan Calderón: and respected
  1224. [19/01/2013 9:31:18] Juan Calderón: that is all
  1225. [19/01/2013 9:31:54] Juan Calderón: however, you hired some people that not only didnt have any skills
  1226. [19/01/2013 9:31:55] Christopher Chia: I don't think there has been any time I failed to respect anybody in your team.
  1227. [19/01/2013 9:32:00] Juan Calderón: but everytime they were asked
  1228. [19/01/2013 9:32:02] Christopher Chia: Or has been rude in any way.
  1229. [19/01/2013 9:32:03] Juan Calderón: to help
  1230. [19/01/2013 9:32:10] Juan Calderón: with not technical things
  1231. [19/01/2013 9:32:15] Juan Calderón: they made up excuses
  1232. [19/01/2013 9:32:18] Christopher Chia: I think it has been fair when I ask for discussion before any major changes are to be implemented
  1233. [19/01/2013 9:32:30] Juan Calderón: sorry for the last update
  1234. [19/01/2013 9:32:33] Juan Calderón: It was
  1235. [19/01/2013 9:32:36] Juan Calderón: half done
  1236. [19/01/2013 9:32:57] Juan Calderón: I just thought that before leaving I should update it, because god knew when it would be finished
  1237. [19/01/2013 9:33:14] Juan Calderón: as you know, Jazmin typed down all the quest text for the first new quest
  1238. [19/01/2013 9:33:20] Christopher Chia: Tim told me that your intention is clean and I do believe.
  1239. [19/01/2013 9:33:25] Juan Calderón: because we didnt have a Korean translator
  1240. [19/01/2013 9:33:48] Christopher Chia: I did have a 2nd thought initially but later I understand programming can be very complex.
  1241. [19/01/2013 9:33:59] Juan Calderón: therefore without Jazmin and me, it would take you a long time to get that ready
  1242. [19/01/2013 9:34:19] Christopher Chia: I do appreciate that a lot which I mentioned before.
  1243. [19/01/2013 9:34:21] Juan Calderón: not to mention that we both worked for 8 hours straight
  1244. [19/01/2013 9:34:27] Juan Calderón: so...
  1245. [19/01/2013 9:34:37] Juan Calderón: since it wouldnt gt completed anytime soon
  1246. [19/01/2013 9:34:49] Juan Calderón: I updated it before I left.
  1247. [19/01/2013 9:35:04] Juan Calderón: But I had some problems with the updating
  1248. [19/01/2013 9:35:19] Juan Calderón: some of Tim's scripts didnt work properly
  1249. [19/01/2013 9:35:37] Juan Calderón: so when I was done with it, I was already quite tired and nervous
  1250. [19/01/2013 9:36:02] Juan Calderón: when I started the server, some of the changes were not well received
  1251. [19/01/2013 9:36:59] Juan Calderón: So I thought of reverting the update and hence deleted the update post
  1252. [19/01/2013 9:37:14] Juan Calderón: a while later I realized that it couldn't be reverted
  1253. [19/01/2013 9:37:21] Juan Calderón: I was too tired and went tosleep.
  1254. [19/01/2013 9:37:23] Juan Calderón: thats it
  1255. [19/01/2013 9:38:01] Christopher Chia: No problem Juan but you could have done it better to leave me a note so I wouldn't be thinking of anything suspicious
  1256. [19/01/2013 9:38:22] Juan Calderón: Chris I would never do anything against you or SG
  1257. [19/01/2013 9:39:23] Juan Calderón: it was just that the update was half baked and not well thought out
  1258. [19/01/2013 9:39:41] Juan Calderón: some of the changes were too radical
  1259. [19/01/2013 9:41:17] Juan Calderón: anyhow, they are reverted now
  1260. [19/01/2013 9:42:31] Christopher Chia: First day I was thinking negatively about the whole issue but later I reasoned to myself and I can trust your good intention.
  1261. [19/01/2013 9:47:04] Juan Calderón: feeling angry didnt help but the intention wasnt to screw up anything
  1262. [19/01/2013 9:47:11] Juan Calderón: in fact there was a long list of updates
  1263. [19/01/2013 9:47:23] Juan Calderón: free emotions
  1264. [19/01/2013 9:47:28] Juan Calderón: the new changers and adders
  1265. [19/01/2013 9:47:37] Juan Calderón: Angie even rewrote the whole NPC texts
  1266. [19/01/2013 9:47:43] Juan Calderón: new quests
  1267. [19/01/2013 9:47:47] Juan Calderón: a new entrance to DC
  1268. [19/01/2013 9:48:03] Juan Calderón: a new, fairer moonlight event
  1269. [19/01/2013 9:48:48] Christopher Chia: I see
  1270. [19/01/2013 9:49:18] Christopher Chia: Anyway, I have asked Ralph and Harris to help me advertise for job vacancy in PH since it is cheaper to hire full-time staff in that country
  1271. [19/01/2013 9:49:25] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, Tim will fill in the gap for me.
  1272. [19/01/2013 9:50:19] Juan Calderón: ok
  1273. [19/01/2013 20:48:49] Juan Calderón: btw you can keep that bullshit about the morale
  1274. [19/01/2013 20:48:56] Juan Calderón: the problem was not a private server
  1275. [19/01/2013 20:49:16] Juan Calderón: the problem was involving TEC and my family investment in it
  1276. [19/01/2013 20:49:43] Juan Calderón: now im in a shitty situation after you scammed me that money only to come up with the most stupid idea ever
  1277. [19/01/2013 20:50:00] Juan Calderón: idk why I did even trust you as you were just fooling all the players with your OP chars
  1278. [19/01/2013 20:50:23] Juan Calderón: gl
  1279. [19/01/2013 20:54:40] Juan Calderón: I cant believe you out of everyone have the guts to question my morale
  1280. [19/01/2013 20:55:07] Juan Calderón: when I was forced to lie to everyone about your chars
  1281. [19/01/2013 20:55:27] *** Juan Calderón bloqueó a Christopher Chia ***
  1282. [20/01/2013 10:49:33] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan, if you are online later, please share with me how to access the company webmail coz I will have to delete those mail which is no longer in use and add 2 new emails for 2 new staff we have just hired. Thanks.
  1283. [30/01/2013 6:04:06] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan, I just spoken to Cheryl
  1284. [30/01/2013 6:04:25] Christopher Chia: You have some time for a chat?
  1285. [30/01/2013 6:04:54] Juan Calderón: about?
  1286. [30/01/2013 6:05:15] Juan Calderón: youre going ahead with the insanity I dont think theres anything to talk now
  1287. [30/01/2013 6:05:58] Christopher Chia: No, I just wanted to clarify some facts with you.
  1288. [30/01/2013 6:06:11] Juan Calderón: I just know what you told me
  1289. [30/01/2013 6:06:22] Juan Calderón: and thats more than enough
  1290. [30/01/2013 6:06:46] Christopher Chia: First of, Dulaan did not pay us 50,000. He set aside 5000 for server setup and mass mailing on his database in FL2.
  1291. [30/01/2013 6:07:32] Christopher Chia: As for game bug fixing, he and Giulio are working it out for long hours.
  1292. [30/01/2013 6:08:00] Christopher Chia: It will take them some time to get everything fixed as they were not familiar with the updates in SG after Tim reverted back all the updates.
  1293. [30/01/2013 6:08:09] Christopher Chia: due to some bugs which can be harmful.
  1294. [30/01/2013 6:08:25] Juan Calderón: why are you telling me this Chris
  1295. [30/01/2013 6:08:42] Christopher Chia: As for M2 PH and M2 IND, a license has already been signed. Of course, Tim masked the website and forum in which they will see a different page.
  1296. [30/01/2013 6:09:03] Christopher Chia: I thought you spoken to Cheryl coz you wanted Cheryl to speak with me and then to you?
  1297. [30/01/2013 6:09:08] Juan Calderón: no
  1298. [30/01/2013 6:09:13] Christopher Chia: Ah, I got it wrong.
  1299. [30/01/2013 6:09:28] Christopher Chia: Coz Cheryl gave me the impression that you wanted to speak with me on those issues.
  1300. [30/01/2013 6:09:31] Christopher Chia: Fine
  1301. [30/01/2013 6:09:46] Juan Calderón: I told her because I find this the silliest idea ever and I thought that as your employee she should know about it
  1302. [30/01/2013 6:09:57] Christopher Chia: I see
  1303. [30/01/2013 6:17:48] Christopher Chia: By the way Juan, do you have the contact number for Harris?
  1304. [30/01/2013 6:18:03] Christopher Chia: Need to call him urgently for some issues with Sevencore as the Zone server is down
  1305. [30/01/2013 6:18:44] Juan Calderón: VII. CONTACT INFORMATION
  1306.  
  1307. Address : #16 Ritchie St., Marick, Cainta Rizal
  1308. Telephone : 248-0909
  1309. Mobile : 09152622775
  1310. Email : harriz_soleminio@rocketmail.com
  1311. [30/01/2013 6:18:51] Christopher Chia: Thanks
  1312. [30/01/2013 7:14:46] Christopher Chia: By the way Juan, I think someone is already speaking to Ymir regarding Metin2 India. What I understand is that the few countries left for a license includes Russia, Vietnam, Australia and New Zealand. However, for Australia and New Zealand, I doubt Ymir would be willing to run another English server. Meanwhile, IAH is already negotiating with them for Indonesia and Thailand. This is just for your information.
  1313. [30/01/2013 7:17:01] Christopher Chia: One easier way to go about the license is probably to join a game publisher in those countries and negotiate to Ymir. Mr Kim spoken to me about your request but they have reservation on the request because there is no company history which Webzen Ymir are very concern who they work with. It is no longer like what it was in the past where they can work with a new game publisher.
  1314. [30/01/2013 7:18:14] Christopher Chia: Today and tomorrow I believe the entire Ymir Team is out for a corporate retreat. For Feb till 1 Mar, there is a lot of national holiday in Korea.
  1315. [30/01/2013 7:18:36] Christopher Chia: Hope this information helps you in your negotiation with them.
  1316. [30/01/2013 7:19:32] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, I was also told that the admin of M2United published your employment request trying to make a mockery of the company as we have several attempts trying to shut down their server.
  1317. [30/01/2013 7:19:49] Christopher Chia: According to Crono, that guy is from Serbia and a punk.
  1318. [30/01/2013 7:20:14] Christopher Chia: He broke out with his girlfriend Dahlia and after she paid everything for the server setup and marketing.
  1319. [30/01/2013 7:26:37] Juan Calderón: thanks
  1320. [04/02/2013 16:59:57] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan,
  1321. [04/02/2013 17:00:35] Christopher Chia: I wanted to ask you for the access to cdn.metin2.sg, sevencore.cdn and also the FTP server fr upload of patch for Sevencore as it is needed for the maintenance tomorrow of Sevencore.
  1322. [04/02/2013 17:00:58] Christopher Chia: Tim hasn't been online so I'm afraid if he is not here later, the maintenance tomorrow has to be postpone to the following week.
  1323. [04/02/2013 17:02:51] Juan Calderón: https://portal.aws.amazon.com/gp/aws/manageYourAccount?
  1324. [04/02/2013 17:03:01] Juan Calderón: mail juan@tec-interactive.com
  1325. [04/02/2013 17:03:05] Juan Calderón: pass glasnost
  1326. [04/02/2013 17:03:15] Juan Calderón: the sevencore patch is in the webserver
  1327. [04/02/2013 17:03:20] Christopher Chia: I see
  1328. [04/02/2013 17:03:25] Christopher Chia: What about FTP access?
  1329. [04/02/2013 17:03:33] Juan Calderón: its in the webserver
  1330. [04/02/2013 17:03:45] Juan Calderón: NORIA have the data
  1331. [04/02/2013 17:03:55] Christopher Chia: Hmm
  1332. [04/02/2013 17:04:32] Juan Calderón: patch.sevencore.asia in the webserver if I remember well
  1333. [04/02/2013 17:04:39] Christopher Chia: Ok
  1334. [04/02/2013 17:04:53] Christopher Chia: Sabrina said they cannot access FTP to upload patch earlier.
  1335. [04/02/2013 17:05:06] Juan Calderón: maybe you changed the passwords
  1336. [04/02/2013 17:05:22] Christopher Chia: LOL, I wish I know how to change it xD
  1337. [04/02/2013 17:05:29] Juan Calderón: I dont mean you
  1338. [04/02/2013 17:05:40] Juan Calderón: somebody else from team
  1339. [04/02/2013 17:05:55] Christopher Chia: Let me check with them
  1340. [04/02/2013 17:09:30] Christopher Chia: By the way, thanks Juan
  1341. [04/02/2013 17:09:39] Juan Calderón: np
  1342. [04/02/2013 17:24:12] Christopher Chia: Hi bro, another question here from Harris
  1343. [04/02/2013 17:24:14] Christopher Chia: [lunes, 04 de febrero de 2013 17:22] harris sol:
  1344.  
  1345. <<< sir Chris.....
  1346. since Cheryl is not around ... I'll ask you a question, where is the page for the download patch of sevencore?
  1347. can you give me the url?
  1348. [04/02/2013 17:25:53] Juan Calderón: patch.sevencore.asia
  1349. [04/02/2013 17:26:28] Christopher Chia: Ah thanks
  1350. [08/03/2013 14:48:41] Juan Calderón: hello
  1351. [08/03/2013 14:50:03] Christopher Chia: Hi
  1352. [08/03/2013 14:50:28] Juan Calderón: I want to offer you a deal.
  1353. [08/03/2013 14:51:06] Christopher Chia: Yes Juan?
  1354. [08/03/2013 14:52:00] Juan Calderón: It's about the updates.
  1355. [08/03/2013 14:52:16] Christopher Chia: We have not got the update yet.
  1356. [08/03/2013 14:52:23] Juan Calderón: I have a big team now and we are churning them out quite fast.
  1357. [08/03/2013 14:52:36] Juan Calderón: This week we will have the entire Uriel Quest and SD3
  1358. [08/03/2013 14:52:41] Juan Calderón: plus the Levelup Chests
  1359. [08/03/2013 14:53:22] Juan Calderón: you can use everything we make if you let me get the updated Ymir binaries
  1360. [08/03/2013 14:53:30] Juan Calderón: Tim will only need to run the maintenance
  1361. [08/03/2013 14:53:38] Christopher Chia: Hmm
  1362. [08/03/2013 14:53:58] Juan Calderón: http://puu.sh/2e5CW
  1363. [08/03/2013 14:54:05] Juan Calderón: new interface hand drawn by me
  1364. [08/03/2013 14:54:08] Christopher Chia: Anyway, according to the development plan sent to us by Ymir, they mentioned that the new update can only be available in late April.
  1365. [08/03/2013 14:54:20] Juan Calderón: thats fine, im not in a hurry
  1366. [08/03/2013 14:54:33] Christopher Chia: Meanwhile, let me discuss it with the other staff.
  1367. [08/03/2013 14:54:41] Juan Calderón: but you can have the new stuff this week if you agree
  1368. [08/03/2013 14:54:56] Juan Calderón: all thenew Uriel quests, full SD3, Levelup Chests
  1369. [08/03/2013 14:55:12] Christopher Chia: It can be quite sensitive. I need to think about it.
  1370. [08/03/2013 14:55:19] Juan Calderón: Well,
  1371. [08/03/2013 14:55:29] Juan Calderón: only Tim needs to know.
  1372. [08/03/2013 14:55:43] Juan Calderón: I wont tell snybody either.
  1373. [08/03/2013 14:56:01] Christopher Chia: Let me give u an answer on Monday. I'm now in China.
  1374. [08/03/2013 14:56:07] Juan Calderón: Ok.
  1375. [14/03/2013 16:31:44] Christopher Chia: Hi Juan, after much consideration, I'm sorry that I'm not able to accept your last request.
  1376. [14/03/2013 16:35:46] Juan Calderón: It would be stupid of me to insist since this is way more beneficial to you than me, so I won't.
  1377. [14/03/2013 16:38:16] Christopher Chia: Thanks for the understanding.
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