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  1. [20:32:24] <notmart> so
  2. [20:32:42] <notmart> let's see who raises the hand, all present for the meeting? :)
  3. [20:32:51] <vgrade> \o
  4. [20:33:25] <ivan4real> yes
  5. [20:33:32] <sebas> o/
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  7. [20:33:39] <colomar> I'm here
  8. [20:34:26] <lamarque> o/
  9. [20:34:47] <khohm> o/
  10. [20:35:26] <lbt> o/
  11. [20:36:37] <mdfe_> o/
  12. [20:36:56] -*- ingwa is a filthy lurker
  13. [20:37:08] <fbre> yep
  14. [20:37:11] <-- afiestas_ (~asf@93.224.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  15. [20:37:42] <javier> o/
  16. [20:38:02] <notmart> we are more or less everybody i think ;)
  17. [20:39:32] <colomar> >
  18. [20:40:28] <notmart> so, we could start by telling on how each one hopes to see the pa3, ie focusing more on what (a particular set of experimental new features? particular missing pieces to be a product?) whatever
  19. [20:40:37] <notmart> so we can put the discussion in context
  20. [20:41:50] <lamarque> I think we should make creating apps for PA easier. It's very important to attract more developers.
  21. [20:42:27] <sebas> yes, I think a good developer story should really be in place for PA3
  22. [20:42:38] <ingwa> making *installation* of apps easier, á la app store.
  23. [20:43:36] <colomar> Sorry to interrrupt, but these seem to be already too detailed requirements to me. Could we please focus on a general direction first?
  24. [20:44:05] <colomar> Or have we already agreed on "User-ready product" as a general goal?
  25. [20:44:11] <domme> lamarque: you did the new halt-sleep-reboot selector, didnt you? :)
  26. [20:44:34] <lamarque> domme: yes, I implemented it.
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  28. [20:44:56] <domme> lamarque: sorry if i am outdated, have tested it only a few weeks ago.. is there a way to hibernate the device with that?
  29. [20:45:56] <domme> i'm not using the tablet too often so when i lay it to sleep.. the battery is always empty when i try to switch it on ;)
  30. [20:45:57] <lamarque> only in default theme. The contour theme (used in Plasma Active) we decided to remove hibernate (suspend to disk) and keep only sleep (suspend to ram).
  31. [20:45:58] <mdfe_> domme: could you ask those questions later when we have finished our meeting?
  32. [20:46:01] -*- Shaan7 raises hands now o/
  33. [20:46:15] <domme> oops, didnt know it's meeting time :P
  34. [20:46:21] <javier> perhaps someone could change the topic?
  35. [20:46:38] -*- domme leaves
  36. [20:46:57] <javier> you can stay, if you want :)
  37. [20:47:21] <notmart> so let's get back to topic
  38. [20:47:51] <Shaan7> I guess if we want the normal joe to use PA, we should make sure that common usecases are satisfied and doable on PA.
  39. [20:48:20] <Shaan7> maybe have a list of those usecases and mark them "possible/doable" ?
  40. [20:48:22] <sebas> yep
  41. [20:48:34] <sebas> I plan to improve the webbrowser further, I think that's the most important app
  42. [20:48:41] <notmart> to me yes, a priority should be polishing up and see what's missing to have it more product
  43. [20:48:43] <notmart> but just imo
  44. [20:48:52] <javier> perhaps having a wizard on first boot?
  45. [20:49:00] <colomar> So is this our goal? Or do we want to focus on creating the best possible devloping platform so others can help us getitng a user-ready product for the next release?
  46. [20:49:02] <Shaan7> javier: for setting up?
  47. [20:49:04] <sebas> webkit2 based won't happen before PA3 unfortunately, we'll have to wait for Qt5 / Frameworks 5
  48. [20:49:14] <javier> Shaan7: yep
  49. [20:49:21] <sebas> colomar: both :)
  50. [20:49:26] <sebas> it's not one or the other
  51. [20:49:31] <Shaan7> chicken n egg problem ::P
  52. [20:49:46] <colomar> sebas: Do we have enough resources to reach both goals for PA3?
  53. [20:49:46] <ivan4real> sebas any chance of havin webbeowser qt5 soon while the eest is qt4?
  54. [20:50:13] <sebas> ivan4real: hardly, we'll want kdewebkit pieces
  55. [20:50:19] <-- trueg (~trueg@88.130.204.67) has quit
  56. [20:50:23] <sebas> and those rely heavly on QWebPage, which will change big time
  57. [20:50:24] <ivan4real> ok
  58. [20:50:27] <colomar> If we do, I'm all for it. But we have to avoid getting half-way to both goals but not reaching any of them
  59. [20:50:46] <mdfe_> ack
  60. [20:51:01] -*- notmart thinks the two goals are the same, really
  61. [20:51:23] <Shaan7> as I said, its almost the chicken n egg problem
  62. [20:51:37] <Shaan7> no devs => no apps => no users or no users => no devs :/
  63. [20:52:05] <Shaan7> so yea, doing both is important
  64. [20:52:27] <-- yue (~quassel@110.251.138.66) has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  65. [20:52:34] <vgrade> also have to consider devices in that loop
  66. [20:52:38] <Shaan7> javier: I guess launching the systemsettings app at first boot should do, its quite simple I suppose?
  67. [20:52:40] <lamarque> Shaan7: yes, but devs needs good documentation about the API. Users need good wizards and easy to use apps to guide them.
  68. [20:52:52] <sebas> For PA2, we wanted to make specific usecases work, is that still our plan?
  69. [20:52:57] <ivan4real> guess that having harmattan apps to work on pa could be nice
  70. [20:53:05] <Shaan7> sebas: I like that plan
  71. [20:53:16] <sebas> I'm actually missing some very basic things, such as "sending a link to the tablet" from my desktop for reading it later
  72. [20:53:30] <javier> Shaan7: that plus other things like connecting to your home wireless network
  73. [20:53:33] <sebas> that's within SLC area, partly
  74. [20:53:57] <sebas> also the picture workflow
  75. [20:53:59] <colomar> For the product goal, we definitely need usecases completed. However, many of the usecases we developed during the last sprint were really cool, but rather non-basic
  76. [20:54:04] -*- Shaan7 is all with the satisfy usecases idea
  77. [20:54:14] <lamarque> sebas: we really need a way to sync data through USB or even Internet. Smartphones used to come with such programs, like the PC Suite for Nokia phones.
  78. [20:54:15] <Shaan7> sebas: do we have a list of usecases?
  79. [20:54:22] <sebas> so for that, we'd need to check what pieces are missing to complete these workflows
  80. [20:54:41] <sebas> lamarque: yes, that's another such possible usecase, importing data
  81. [20:54:58] <sebas> partly overlaps with the images (as in "importing images from phone / camera")
  82. [20:55:04] <sebas> and again: sharing of images
  83. [20:55:24] <Shaan7> sorry for asking again, but do we have a list of such usecases? will be useful :)
  84. [20:55:41] <ivan4real> and activity syncing
  85. [20:55:46] <colomar> sebas: I'd say we first need to define all the basic usecases. The scenarios we have are rather "look what we can do!", not necessarily the basic must-haves
  86. [20:56:01] <Shaan7> +1
  87. [20:56:05] <sebas> colomar: yes, that's the first step
  88. [20:56:05] <mdfe_> +1
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  90. [20:56:12] <Shaan7> wiki? etherpad?
  91. [20:56:29] <sebas> then we need to look into how they should work, and then what's missing, then implement it, then fix it, then release it
  92. [20:56:39] <colomar> Shaan7: I'd say Wiki
  93. [20:56:49] <colomar> That's what we're mostly using so far
  94. [20:56:52] <aseigo> wiki for end results
  95. [20:57:03] <aseigo> something collaborative for in-meeting editting
  96. [20:57:04] <Shaan7> colomar: if we all go right now and edit the wiki, kaboom!
  97. [20:57:15] <colomar> Yes
  98. [20:57:18] <Shaan7> aseigo: exactly
  99. [20:57:29] <notmart> somebody has an etherpad instance?
  100. [20:57:29] <colomar> I meant for the end results ;)
  101. [20:57:43] <sebas> I don't have one
  102. [20:57:50] <sebas> can just as jeff, maybe he's online
  103. [20:57:53] <notmart> yeah, for the end result, dump it on the wiki or they get lost ;)
  104. [20:57:57] -*- Shaan7 has, but for conf.kde.in planning :P
  105. [20:58:21] <aseigo> http://notes.kde.org/plasma <--- use that for now...
  106. [20:58:29] <Shaan7> ah works
  107. [20:58:59] <notmart> cool :)
  108. [20:59:00] <aseigo> and please put your names in there.. helpful
  109. [20:59:03] <colomar> Is it okay if we clear it first?
  110. [20:59:22] <aseigo> colomar: no, and it isn't necessary to do so
  111. [20:59:40] <colomar> ok
  112. [21:00:08] <notmart> Importing photos from phone / camera, sorting, sharing are kinda separate things i think... same workflow, but touches almost everything ;)
  113. [21:00:33] <aseigo> sebas: you know, it has occured to me that if we were able to synchronize activities, that moving urls, etc would be handled already
  114. [21:00:59] <sebas> aseigo: yes
  115. [21:01:00] -*- unormal is back now as well.
  116. [21:01:10] <colomar> aseigo: +1
  117. [21:01:12] <sebas> some interfacing with bookmarks sharing services would still be nice
  118. [21:03:42] <sebas> k, editing frenzy is slowing down
  119. [21:03:52] <aseigo> sebas: would be nice to use owncloud for that
  120. [21:04:18] <Shaan7> ah yea, owncloud == free sync
  121. [21:04:41] <sebas> yep
  122. [21:04:54] <sebas> I should install that some day
  123. [21:05:14] <sebas> ownCloud implements Open Collaboration Services?
  124. [21:05:29] <notmart> Shaan7: free-ish, you should alwayswrite a client to talk to it :p
  125. [21:05:57] <javier> sebas: I think so. weren't both things started by the same person (Frank)?
  126. [21:06:15] <Shaan7> notmart: yep, so if the tablet runs a owncloud instance, the user could just browse to the tablet's (ip?) and copy stuff over
  127. [21:06:20] <sebas> yes, doesn't mean he talks to .. himself ;)
  128. [21:06:21] <Shaan7> javier: yes they were
  129. [21:06:28] <aseigo> sebas: i think it's mostly webdav based
  130. [21:06:44] <sebas> still fine with KIO then
  131. [21:06:48] -*- aseigo doesn't see, really, how OCS would map to ownCloud, but who knows...
  132. [21:06:52] <Shaan7> yep, works flawlessly
  133. [21:06:57] <sebas> should work pretty much transparantly for most things
  134. [21:07:12] <sebas> maybe there is a more "fine grained" API for non-file data
  135. [21:07:26] <Shaan7> well the useful part for us is, just mount a webdav share on user's machine and the user copies music etc to it
  136. [21:07:29] <javier> "the web interface is using HTML5 and we support other open standards like the Open Collaboration Services or Ampache for media streaming"
  137. [21:07:54] <colomar> I think owncloud support would be great, but we need to offer alternatives, I guess. Not every user would want to set up owncloud to sync stuff with his tablet
  138. [21:07:57] <notmart> sebas: iirc they considered syncml for things like addressbooks,calendars etc
  139. [21:08:06] <notmart> dunno if is something actually implemented
  140. [21:08:07] <sebas> hmm
  141. [21:08:11] -*- sebas neither
  142. [21:08:15] <trebor__> ile 4: 24867 Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/lib/virtualbox${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH}" /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox $@
  143. [21:08:16] <trebor__> trebor@central-unit:~> excuse me for little break. according for usecases. i have one personally suggestion. think about text/pdf/ebook reading. mark text. sort texts in projects. would be useful for university or also business. the only reason I would buy a tablet
  144. [21:08:18] <Shaan7> colomar: i'm thinking of something crazy so that they wont need to :P
  145. [21:08:19] <sebas> could ask though :)
  146. [21:08:40] <Shaan7> Will it be feasible to run a owncloud instance on the tablet itself?
  147. [21:08:51] <notmart> trebor__: added ebook reading to the list
  148. [21:08:51] <sebas> why would you?
  149. [21:09:06] <aseigo> Shaan7: in theory yes.
  150. [21:09:08] <sebas> it will be offline most of the time for other machines
  151. [21:09:22] <sebas> yeah, in theory you can run it on the same machine
  152. [21:09:24] <Shaan7> sebas: so then I use my PC to goto http://tablet and copy my files
  153. [21:09:32] <Shaan7> and because we package it, user doesnt need to set it up
  154. [21:09:33] <notmart> yeah, i see it more as a passive client
  155. [21:09:49] <sebas> Shaan7: you can user your PC and go to fish://tablet already, not ownCloud needed :)
  156. [21:09:53] <-- rnovacek (radek@nat/redhat/x-zvcererefbqwpcot) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
  157. [21:09:57] <sebas> just enable ssh server
  158. [21:10:24] -*- notmart would more like to say to his owncloud server (doesn't matter installed where) what files i want on my tablet, and then the tablet will independently download what's needed (tm)
  159. [21:10:28] <Shaan7> ah, I didnt know fish, have been using the terminal and rsync'ing till now
  160. [21:10:55] <Shaan7> notmart: will need to add some magic to owncloud for that ;)
  161. [21:10:56] <sebas> Shaan7: so 70s...
  162. [21:11:00] <Shaan7> :P
  163. [21:11:43] <sebas> I don't even know if ownCloud specifically does bookmarks
  164. [21:11:51] <Shaan7> sebas: yep works like a charm, wonder why i never saw this before O_o
  165. [21:11:52] <sebas> or newsfeeds, read/unread
  166. [21:11:59] <sebas> Shaan7: \o/
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  168. [21:12:45] <notmart> Shaan7: yeah, this feature is there from like 2002 (working with kate on a file over ssh rocks) we just suck at promoting :p
  169. [21:12:57] <Shaan7> seriously
  170. [21:13:39] <Shaan7> so maybe just make fish:// more discoverable to the user?
  171. [21:13:41] <-- ivan4real (~user@net194-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  172. [21:13:42] <aseigo> where from here? we have a list in random order of various use cases...
  173. [21:13:48] <sebas> Shaan7: welcome to the wonderful world of KDE3 ;)
  174. [21:13:51] <notmart> Shaan7: bit ot now ;)
  175. [21:13:59] <colomar> Seems like we mixed up usecases with requirements a little (I'm guilty here as well), but we can clean that up later ;)
  176. [21:14:03] <Shaan7> ah, so what do we use now?
  177. [21:14:08] <javier> a file manager another thing
  178. [21:14:13] <notmart> aseigo: prioritizing? wondering for each one what needs to be done
  179. [21:14:23] <notmart> and say this we can do, this is unlikely etc
  180. [21:14:45] <notmart> then from that i would like to have a more specific definition of what needs to be done
  181. [21:14:46] <colomar> Maybe group them first, then prioritize
  182. [21:14:56] <sebas> yep
  183. [21:15:01] <notmart> like "write an slc plugin" or write c bookmark sync client to owncloud
  184. [21:15:08] <aseigo> notmart: isn't it a little difficult to know if it is unlikely without having a slightly more specific definition?
  185. [21:15:13] <notmart> yes
  186. [21:15:24] -*- aseigo is in favour of grouping.
  187. [21:15:29] <aseigo> (as a first step)
  188. [21:18:50] <sebas> ok, prioritizing
  189. [21:19:20] <sebas> to me personally, the Browsing part is pretty important
  190. [21:19:20] <Shaan7> color coding sucks
  191. [21:19:50] <lamarque> tell me about it, I am daltonian :)
  192. [21:20:00] <notmart> so now we shuffle the list of write a new one?
  193. [21:20:23] <sebas> either is fine with me :)
  194. [21:20:30] <Shaan7> lamarque: one place where you can be happy :P
  195. [21:20:34] <colomar> Maybe first assign numbers, then reorder?
  196. [21:21:20] <aseigo> i don't think we can prioritize with such a list
  197. [21:21:26] <aseigo> there isn't enough information
  198. [21:21:40] <notmart> so, elaborating the points
  199. [21:21:59] <colomar> +1
  200. [21:22:03] <aseigo> notmart: personally, i think that is a take-away task
  201. [21:22:12] <notmart> uh?
  202. [21:22:33] -*- Shaan7 saw take away at dominos :P
  203. [21:22:50] <sebas> yeah, maybe we try to nail it down one by one
  204. [21:23:02] <aseigo> i would love to see each point there championed by one or more individuals who then creates a small but standardized set of information describing the task goals (what and why), proposed solution and estimation of cost
  205. [21:23:22] <aseigo> the points that nobody champions gets swept to the side
  206. [21:23:32] <sebas> I can take on the browsing task then
  207. [21:23:52] <Shaan7> lets just start adding descriptions ..
  208. [21:24:01] <aseigo> the items that do get such an item for them would then be prioritized by us together -> "in" or "out" for PA3.. items can be punted to future releases as needed
  209. [21:24:06] <notmart> can do the shell one
  210. [21:24:14] <aseigo> i see two things missing still.. make that 3...
  211. [21:24:14] <notmart> then pick something else like file handling
  212. [21:24:35] <aseigo> 1) data security layer (already being worked on, no?)
  213. [21:24:52] <notmart> yeah, added it as encrypted activities
  214. [21:24:57] <aseigo> 2) sync of activities
  215. [21:25:20] <colomar> aseigo: Should it really be binary decisions? In that case we'd need to look at the list form time to time and see if we have to drop more or can add more, unless our estimates are really really good ;)
  216. [21:25:23] <aseigo> 3) a pet issue of mine ... integrating sleep/shutdown with the lock screen to get rid of that duplication
  217. [21:25:45] <aseigo> colomar: yes, as tasks get completed, more get picked up
  218. [21:25:48] <-- allee (~quassel@allee.mpe.mpg.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  219. [21:26:02] <notmart> aseigo: added those 3 under device shell
  220. [21:26:05] -*- aseigo notes this should be familiar by now to most plasma devs ... though we are missing the sticky notes ;)
  221. [21:26:39] <aseigo> so ... first thing i like about this is that it very application centric
  222. [21:26:50] <notmart> eh :)
  223. [21:27:20] <notmart> problem of the interwebs is that you can't have real sticky notes and stick them on the hair of other people when you are done :p
  224. [21:27:24] <aseigo> there's a natural shift away from concentrating fully on the shell itself. huzzah for that
  225. [21:27:32] <aseigo> notmart: indeed. the internet sucks ;)
  226. [21:27:41] <colomar> Maybe we should borrow some concepts from Scrum anyway, but that's a different topic ;)
  227. [21:28:35] <colomar> I love the "few weeks sprints with review and planning in-between" stuff
  228. [21:28:52] <aseigo> colomar: we discussed that and even tried it after the first plasma active meeting
  229. [21:29:14] <sebas> scrum seems to work a lot better if we're in the same room
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  231. [21:29:34] <sebas> I think we'll do our usual "knock things off the list" thing
  232. [21:29:38] <notmart> few of us are keeping up with icescrum..
  233. [21:29:40] -*- Shaan7 brb, call
  234. [21:29:55] <notmart> where seems to fail is to work at all with occasional contributors
  235. [21:30:17] <colomar> hm maybe
  236. [21:30:17] <aseigo> notmart: yep
  237. [21:30:43] <colomar> Although taking a look at where we stand form time to time might still help, although in a less ofrmal way
  238. [21:31:07] <colomar> o <> f
  239. [21:31:11] <aseigo> so... standard layout for proposed actions ..
  240. [21:31:21] -*- notmart remembers the icescrum page of plasma desktop.. did work perfectly just until we were all in the same house :p
  241. [21:31:59] <colomar> aseigo: What, why, and how?
  242. [21:32:11] <notmart> colomar: yes, absolutely, otherwise ends up in a bunch of abstract stuff that won't get done
  243. [21:32:13] <aseigo> + effort estimation
  244. [21:32:46] <sebas> + clearly defined usage scenario
  245. [21:32:49] <notmart> + also a who ;)
  246. [21:33:13] <sebas> + depedencies with other tasks
  247. [21:33:16] <colomar> I can surely do some of the what and why stuff, but the technical part of the "how" and the estimation would be tricky for me ;)
  248. [21:34:40] <Shaan7> colomar: estimation is always tricky
  249. [21:34:56] <colomar> Yes. But even more if you don't code
  250. [21:35:05] <sebas> logarithmic scales for that make sense :)
  251. [21:35:05] <Shaan7> ah
  252. [21:35:22] <sebas> "If I don't get it done today, I'll have the rest of the week for it" ;)
  253. [21:36:11] -*- sebas sees aseigo thinking out loud on etherpad
  254. [21:36:14] -*- ivan|home finally got back
  255. [21:36:38] <ivan|home> imo, it is wrong to do a owncloud sync -- we need something that will be able to sync to anything
  256. [21:36:39] <aseigo> sebas: and trying to capture what you are putting here...
  257. [21:36:46] <ivan|home> cal - anything that has caldav
  258. [21:36:55] <ivan|home> stuff - any ftp webdav etc.
  259. [21:36:57] <ivan|home> ...
  260. [21:37:21] <sebas> ivan|home: i think we'll need different synchers at the same time
  261. [21:37:34] <aseigo> ivan|home: if there was a way to offer people easy access to owncloud instances, i'd rather have nice integration (e.g. zero config set up) than have something that works with anything but requires tons of set up
  262. [21:37:59] <aseigo> having one thing that works great is a huge win over having all possibilities, all of which are a PITA
  263. [21:38:03] -*- aseigo looks at kontact
  264. [21:38:34] <notmart> that is also a part quite tricky to estimate since i don't think any of us already digged in to that, ie what would be required to get done on our part, on ownclud part etc
  265. [21:38:36] <aseigo> it's a huge win because people will actually use it.
  266. [21:38:59] <ivan|home> from my pov - we should have a global account setup thingie, the thingie would know that owncloud provides webdav, caldav and whatever else and all interested apps would be able to work with it
  267. [21:39:24] <ivan|home> something like telepathy - you set the accounts - and then the service tells you which capabilities it has
  268. [21:39:39] <ivan|home> it has google talk set upper :) and jabber separated
  269. [21:39:44] <ivan|home> although it is the same thing
  270. [21:39:51] <notmart> global account setup, good point, that would be needed also for slc plugins for instance
  271. [21:39:55] <ivan|home> so you get the power as well as the simple setup
  272. [21:40:03] <notmart> that will be a dependency for a fair amount of points
  273. [21:40:21] <ivan|home> notmart: yes, slc, sync, kontact, im, microblogging etc
  274. [21:40:51] <ivan|home> for example - slc would go like this:
  275. [21:41:02] <ivan|home> 1. oh, im getting image/png
  276. [21:41:12] <ivan|home> 2. get me all stuff where I can send an image
  277. [21:41:21] <aseigo> while that is workable for something like IM, facebookish sites, micrblogging, etc.. i am a lot more sceptical, based on experience, that it can be done as smoothly for a data sync solution
  278. [21:41:26] <ivan|home> 2. the accounts returned - twitter, fb, picasa ... email
  279. [21:41:30] <aseigo> and yes, a global accounts manager is something that ought to be on the hitlist.
  280. [21:42:21] <ivan|home> aseigo: sync would be more difficult, I agree, but I think that we could pull out some general stuff that applies to most sync things
  281. [21:42:41] <unormal> About telepathy I can contact them as I'm already in contact with mck182 and drf about some video chat/KDE telepathy solution. Or is there a telepathy guy already here?
  282. [21:42:47] <ivan|home> my worry is that if we go oC only, we will have a quite small audience
  283. [21:43:02] <notmart> isn't a bit early to go in detail about this when we don't know exactly what owncloud uses yet? :p
  284. [21:43:09] <notmart> (just to keep things on the rails)
  285. [21:43:23] <ivan|home> ok :) (though it uses webdav :) )
  286. [21:44:07] <notmart> so that's a non issue, webdaw support with enough presets to make it work with 0 effort on pwncloud ;)
  287. [21:45:19] <notmart> let's get more concrete, so now let's expand the individual points, everybody takes a task?
  288. [21:45:39] <aseigo> i think people should take the tasks they are directly interested in
  289. [21:45:42] <aseigo> see what gets left out
  290. [21:45:51] <aseigo> and then potentially do a second round
  291. [21:46:36] <aseigo> personally, i'd like to see these proposals hit the mailing list ... have discussion on them there ... move them to the wiki as they appear (after any discussion) ... which means we would need someone doing that (not a big task really)
  292. [21:46:59] <aseigo> discusion -> e.g. on the proposed implementation, if there are points that need addressing, etc.
  293. [21:47:09] <colomar> I can't do anything on my own, but will of course cooperate on the UX/design part of things were applicable
  294. [21:47:10] <sebas> yep, makes sense
  295. [21:47:22] <sebas> I'll pick the browsing one
  296. [21:47:49] <ivan|home> can somebody post the link again? (i'm not ivan4real anymore :) )
  297. [21:48:03] <colomar> http://notes.kde.org/plasma
  298. [21:48:06] <ivan|home> thx
  299. [21:48:14] -*- aseigo will do keyboard, lock screen and ebook reading items
  300. [21:48:23] -*- Shaan7 will do calligra, will check how good is kamoso and improve where necessary
  301. [21:48:29] --> leinir (~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) has joined #active
  302. [21:48:39] <vgrade> vgrade, new devices
  303. [21:48:41] <Shaan7> can we use marble's fremantle version directly?
  304. [21:49:13] --> ksinny (~quassel@116.202.203.60) has joined #active
  305. [21:49:19] <mdfe_> vgrade: +1
  306. [21:49:38] -*- Shaan7 waves to ksinny
  307. [21:50:13] <ksinny> oops, did i miss the meeting?
  308. [21:50:43] <sebas> ksinny: http://notes.kde.org/plasma yes, more or less
  309. [21:50:47] <sebas> we're not quite done yet
  310. [21:51:05] --> sandroandrade (~quassel@genio.ifba.edu.br) has joined #active
  311. [21:51:05] <ksinny> sebas: ah, thanks :)
  312. [21:51:09] <notmart> ksinny: still something going on, backlog will be published
  313. [21:51:25] --> annma_ (~annma@AToulouse-256-1-15-98.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #active
  314. [21:51:34] -*- ksinny looks to the log
  315. [21:51:51] <sebas> ksinny: want me to paste it to your query?
  316. [21:52:15] <colomar> I'll take UI guidelines (which I just added ;), thy scenario and why part of file browsing and keyboard layout improvements (I might even be able to implement those, since it's XML, right?)
  317. [21:52:55] <aseigo> colomar: great. :)
  318. [21:53:05] <ksinny> sebas: yes, pastebin will be good idea
  319. [21:53:05] <sebas> vgrade: cool stuff
  320. [21:54:09] <sebas> ksinny: http://paste.kde.org/189188
  321. [21:54:36] <ksinny> sebas: thanks :)
  322. [21:54:50] <sebas> you're welcome
  323. [21:55:07] <-- annma (~annma@kde/annma) has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  324. [21:55:18] <sebas> so we'll come back with filled in task definitions, improve them on the ML and then get cracking?
  325. [21:57:11] <-- pinheiro (~pinheiro@bl19-29-4.dsl.telepac.pt) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  326. [21:59:08] <Shaan7> sebas: maybe copy+paste them on wiki first?
  327. [21:59:45] <-> annma_ is now known as annma
  328. [21:59:53] <sebas> Shaan7: yes, wanna do that and post the link to the ML?
  329. [21:59:58] <sebas> Possibly along with this chatlog
  330. [21:59:59] <-- annma (~annma@AToulouse-256-1-15-98.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) has quit (Changing host)
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  332. [22:00:09] <Shaan7> sebas: yep, should work :)
  333. [22:00:16] <Shaan7> will do it
  334. [22:00:17] <sebas> ok, cool :)
  335. [22:00:18] <sebas> thanks
  336. [22:00:34] <Shaan7> are we done with editing the pad?
  337. [22:00:43] <notmart> yeah, but to transfer on the wiki should wait more work has been done, otherwise syncronization issues
  338. [22:00:49] <Shaan7> yep
  339. [22:02:20] <ksinny> Shaan7: I guess PMC can do pretty well with the music/video stuff there, isnt it?
  340. [22:02:40] <Shaan7> ksinny: yea if we can get apachelogger to merge the qml branch with master
  341. [22:03:29] -*- notmart isn't sure would be ready for pa3 timeframe tough
  342. [22:03:33] <ksinny> I asked him few weeks before but he said he doesn't feel motivated for it, will ask him again:)
  343. [22:03:43] <unormal> Shaan7, ksinny: What's the status of PMC? Is there any Nepomuk integration?
  344. [22:03:57] <Shaan7> unormal: it gets data from PA models, so yea
  345. [22:04:02] <ksinny> unormal: yes, there is
  346. [22:04:34] <ksinny> sebas: aseigo^
  347. [22:04:37] <aseigo> one (or both together) of you should submit a proposal for that
  348. [22:04:48] <Shaan7> notmart: well frankly, its not broken any longer, does all the basic stuff
  349. [22:04:57] <Shaan7> just the phonon-qml not being in master :/
  350. [22:05:11] <sebas> ksinny: asking him again would be nice yeah
  351. [22:05:42] <ksinny> all the basic stuffs are working fine
  352. [22:06:00] <notmart> that's good to hear
  353. [22:06:12] <ksinny> only a bit problem happen due to phonon:(
  354. [22:06:37] <ksinny> aseigo: submit proposal? didn't get you
  355. [22:06:46] <notmart> that also gets to the question do we use that in pa or qmultimediakit ;)
  356. [22:07:07] <sebas> I'd prefer phonon
  357. [22:07:17] <sebas> qt-mobility isn't really that great
  358. [22:07:28] <notmart> eheh, indeed ;)
  359. [22:07:31] <Shaan7> +1
  360. [22:07:34] <sebas> QtMultimedia will be its own module in Qt5
  361. [22:09:53] <-- jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-otradbgcdtgcoknx) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
  362. [22:11:42] <Shaan7> what do the numbers next to the items mean?
  363. [22:12:23] <aseigo> first one is away
  364. [22:12:33] <aseigo> ksinny: are you on the active@kde.org mailing list?
  365. [22:13:23] <unormal> Shaan7: estimation of effort.
  366. [22:13:37] <unormal> See at the top in etherpad about the definition.
  367. [22:13:54] <Shaan7> ah ok thanks
  368. [22:13:59] <ksinny> aseigo: yes
  369. [22:14:34] <aseigo> ksinny: see the most recent email there that has a subject that starts with Task Proposal:
  370. [22:14:35] <Shaan7> sebas: is it possible to have a PA package phonon-qml which contains phonon from the qml branch?
  371. [22:14:52] <aseigo> ksinny: one of those for PMC integration with PA would help us figure out how to accmplish that
  372. [22:15:06] <sebas> Shaan7: possible, yes
  373. [22:15:12] <Shaan7> the last time I asked apachelogger he said "i am lacking motivatation to do the merge"
  374. [22:15:18] <sebas> mdfe_ is quicker these days with packaging stuff though
  375. [22:17:36] <Shaan7> mdfe_: um, so can you do that? (create a package phonon-qml which builds phonon from branch "qml"(
  376. [22:17:41] <ksinny> aseigo: ok will try that. If someone could package it on OBS for PA, it'll be great. I'm stuck there, because i need to see how the experience comes out
  377. [22:20:44] <-- leinir (~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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  379. [22:24:07] <mdfe_> Shaan7: sure, just point me to the repo
  380. [22:25:14] <Shaan7> mdfe_: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon/repository
  381. [22:25:23] <colomar> Okay, so we're basically done for today? Will the log be posted to the mailing list or should I save it (I'm on a web client here)?
  382. [22:25:29] <Shaan7> mdfe_: and https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository
  383. [22:25:45] <notmart> colomar: the irc part yes i think, now festival of emails ;)
  384. [22:25:56] <mdfe_> thx
  385. [22:25:58] <Shaan7> mdfe_: qml branches of both, maybe call them phonon-qml and phonon-gstreamer-backend-qml (or according to your/PA naming schemes)
  386. [22:26:31] <mdfe_> k
  387. [22:27:16] <colomar> So I'm off then. See you all!
  388. [22:27:44] <-- colomar (8253ef90@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.83.239.144) has quit
  389. [22:28:42] <Shaan7> are we done with the pad?
  390. [22:28:57] <notmart> Shaan7: i think so
  391. [22:29:05] <notmart> authenticator task arrived
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