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We are not sorry.
We are not sorry,

about we have our rights,

or our religion,

and we have sacrificed,

and we are still ready
for more sacrifices,

[xx]

This was the first the world would
hear of Ayman al-Zawahiri,

but it would not be the last.

After what the Egyptian government
had done to him

and had done to his compatriots

nothing was illegal.

Nothing was off the table.

Anything could be justified in order
to achieve victory.

A hatred had woken in Zawahiri,

a hatred that, 20 years later,
would shake the world.

9/11, for Ayman Zawahiri, would have
been the greatest success ever.

Without al-Zawahiri, we would not
have had 9/11.

The world would have been different.

I think it's very important that we
understand the likes of Ayman Zawahiri.

And we also understand
what created him,

and how he thinks,

and what he wants to do.

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,
welcome

to another edition of The Corbett Report.

I'm your host, James Corbett
of CorbettReport.com,

podcasting to you, as always,
from the sunny climes of Western Japan,

here on this 15th day of February, 2013.

Welcome to Episode 258 of
The Corbett Report podcast:

"Know your terrorists:
Ayman al-Zawahiri."

What we've just been watching
is a clip

from your standard History Channel fare

giving the standard line on
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri

and his past background experiences,

and what made him into
the terrorist mastermind

that he supposedly is right up
until the current day.

And it is very much the standard fare
we would expect,

something along the lines of,

"Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri was born
into a rich Muslim family"

"in Cairo, Egypt in 1951,"

"was radicalized as a Muslim, and --
blah, blah, blah, 9/11. "

Something along those lines, anyway.

But in contradiction to that
tendency to elide

over the very important parts of
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri's biography,

I think we have to follow along the words
of that History Channel documentary

and to actually and truthfully pose the
question of who Dr. al-Zawahiri is,

and what really does motivate him,

because it truly is important to know
exactly what he plans to do

and who he's working for.

And the answer, as I'm sure will
probably not surprise many

of the regular listeners of this podcast

is quite different than that picture
that is generally painted for him

in your standard History Channel
/ New York Times / BBC News

official establishment
reporting and history.

So let's start in first by
grounding ourselves

in what the official story is

and how it generally is put forward.

So we will dip a little bit further

into that very same History Channel
documentary

to find out some more of the
standard fare

about the youthful radicalization

of Ayman al-Zawahiri as a
young student, joining...

first, being acquainted with
the works of Said Qutb,

and then becoming part of the outlawed
Muslim Brotherhood under Nasser,

and then becoming radicalized
under Sadat,

and eventually participating
in Sadat's assassination.

So let's watch just a few minutes

of this History Channel documentary.

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Zawahiri was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1951.

It was very intellectual.

It was apparently a very good son,
very respectful.

Zawahiri comes from a very
elitist family within Egypt,

a distinguished family.

His grandfather had been a prominent
Imam at a Cairo mosque.

His other grandfather on
his maternal side

had been Ambassador
for Egypt to Pakistan.

And his father was a professor
of pharmacology.

He grew up in an incredibly intellectually
stimulating environment,

and he was very much politically
aware right from the beginning.

Zawahiri was born into turbulent times.

A year after his birth, Army Colonel
Gamul Abdul Nasser seized power

in a military coup.

Nasser believed that Egypt
needed to modernize.

With the support of the Army,

he enforced a secular agenda.

[muezzin]

But many Egyptians opposed
Nasser's policy.

They called for an Islamic state

and a return to Islamic values
under sharia, or Islamic law.

Even as a schoolboy,

Zawahiri was sympathetic
to the Islamic point of view.

Zawahiri becomes known
as a precocious youngster.

He's known for being smart, for being
quick and being an intellectual.

But he does take on Islam.

He does become an Islamist over time.

President Nasser did not tolerate dissent,

and cracked down hard
on his religious rivals.

After the Nasser revolution in 1952,

there is no democracy.
There is no freedoms.

Indiscriminate mass arrests
shook Egyptian society.

And I think that was the first,
the earliest bitter taste

Zawahiri was subjected to.

Nasser suppressed the Islamic opposition,

but he could not stop the schoolboy
Zawahiri reading about their ideas.

One philosopher in particular

was set to change his life: Said Qutb.

Qutb's ideas were a
revolutionary combination

of nationalism and
fundamentalist Islam.

He understood Western culture
to be something

that steered Muslims away
from the true path.

And Western culture as being
something that

invariably would destroy Islam
if allowed to.

He doesn't talk about justice, oppression,
human rights, civil liberties.

But rather he talks about
what is being Islamic,

what is being un-Islamic.

So this is how the world is seen.

You are either with us or against us.

Qutb's ideas were an inspiration
to Zawahiri.

In time, they would convince him

that it was his duty to fight for Islam.

Now, as I say, this is all just the standard
biographical fare

that you will get if you look on Wikipedia,
or go to The New York Times

or The History Channel, or any of the
other mainstream sources

of information on current events
and people in the news:

this is the type of story that you will
find about Ayman Zawahiri and his roots.

And the process through which he
increasingly became radicalized

through the decades growing up
in Egypt.

And generally we will arrive at the point

in the late 1970s

where Anwar Sadat,

Nasser's successor,

signs the Camp David accords
with Menachim Begin

creating the accord with Israel,
and as the story goes,

signing his own death warrant amongst
the radical Islamists in Egypt,

who are already unhappy with Sadat,

and are only increasingly
so after that point.

And so it was that Sadat was assassinated

during a military procession at which
he was presiding over

and one of the people that was rounded
up in the wake of that shooting

was Ayman al-Zawahiri.

And this is the first point at which
Zawahiri becomes, quite literally,

and quite vocally, and quite out in
the open for all the world to see,

a spokesman for radical Islamic jihad.

(gunshots)

Those who carried out the assassination

were a group of Army officers who
were a part of Islamic Jihad.

They were immediately arrested,

and the regime launched
a massive manhunt

for those behind the plot.

With the effect of the assassination
on the Egyptian people

was not what Zawahiri had hoped.

That night, Cairo remained calm.

The masses failed to rise up.

And in the following weeks,

Zawahiri and many other conspirators
were arrested.

The assassins were tried immediately
and executed.

But then, nearly 300 Islamists,
including Zawahiri,

were put on trial in a pavilion

in Cairo's Industrian Exhibition Park.

It was agreed that Zawahiri would be
their spokesman.

All the world [xx] to the whole world, this
is our world [xx] Dr. Ayman Zawahiri.

Now we want to speak to the whole world.

Who are we?

Who are we? Why did they
bring us here,

and what we want to say

about the first [xx], we are Muslims.

We are Muslims who believe
in their religion.

It makes a proud feeling, as more
than an ideology and practice.

We believed in our religion, both
as an ideology and practice.

And hence we tried our best

to establish this Islamic state
and Islamic society.

[xx]

Zawahiri: the man is an aristocrat.

He comes from a major
Egyptian-Saudi family,

and he thinks that he is a visionary,

and the means do not matter,
just as in Lenin:

I mean, revolution in one country,
or revolution worldwide.

He was convinced that this was a
means to mobilize the masses,

that they had tried something,

that it had not worked.

And he felt that the masses were
still under the spell of ideology,

the ideology of America.

And he's looking for a new strategy.

At the trial, Zawahiri was sentenced
to three years in prison,

along with many others of Islamic Jihad.

He was taken to cells behind the
Police National Museum,

where, like Said Qutb, he was tortured.

And under this torture, he began
to interpret Qutb's theories

in a far more radical way.

That clip, of course, coming from Adam Curtis' The Power of Nightmares,

which we'll talk a little bit
more about next week.

But that, at any rate, is, as I say,
basically the core backbone

of the Ayman al-Zawahiri backstory

that is generally given in the broad
overview of Dr. Zawahiri's biography.

And that takes us more or less
to the point

at which things start to get
a little big hazy.

There's a few biographical details
usually inserted in there

to cover the '80s and '90s,

and then, as I say, blah-blah-blah, 9/11.

Well, let's start taking a look
at that period

between that imprisonment and torture
after the assassination of Sadat

and the eventual formation of al-Qaeda,

whatever that organization really is.

So let's start taking a look at some
of the interesting pieces

that are left out of this story,

because it should strike one
as very bizarre,

that there are key and fundamental
details of Zawahiri's backstory

that are almost never even touched upon

in any mainstream account.

And when and if they are,

they're always left vague and
unsourced, unconfirmed,

and ultimately unknown.

And these are not small details.

These are, actually, quite
large details.

So in order to demonstrate this,

I want to draw your attention
to Wikipedia,

which, as we know in this
Internet age, tends to be

the place to go to get the
Establishment opinion

on whatever the case may be,
whatever you're looking into.

So in the case of Zawahiri, his biography
in the Wikipedia entry

is quite interesting, because of some of
the details that are a little big vague,

a little big left hanging.

For example, if you turn to the section
on Political Asylum

in the Zawahiri Wikipedia entry,

you'll find that Ayman al-Zawahiri
has both applied for

and in some cases was granted

political asylum in various countries.

Asylum was granted for al-Zawahiri

by Denmark in 1991, and
unconfirmed sources

indicate he also received the same

from Switzerland in 1993.

Hmm. "Unconfirmed sources"

are "indicating" he received
political asylum in 1993.

Now, stop for a moment to ask
yourself why, presumably,

the most important terrorist in the world,

at the very least the one who
is nominally in charge

of this nominal al-Qaeda group

which is nominally the enemy

in what is nominally known as
the Great War on Terror,

which is the defining war of our age,

why there is so little detail that is known

about basic, easily confirmable facts,

like whether or not he was
granted asylum

by the Swiss government in 1993.

Why is this left as an unconfirmed source
indicating that he was granted asylum?

Why is that Wikipedia entry, that
particular part of that Wikipedia entry,

doesn't even have a citation?

It's not even saying to you what
unconfirmed... or

where this unconfirmed source allegedly
indicated that he allegedly was

granted political asylum by
Switzerland in 1993.

Absolutely nothing.

Nothing whatsoever.

No sources on this.

And no way to back this up;
no way to confirm this.

No one in the entire world
has found a way

to ask the Swiss government for records

of whether or not they granted
asylum to al-Zawahiri.

And it can't be that important anyway.

Well, as bizarre as little blips like that

that tend to elide over large parts
of Zawahiri's backstory are,

it gets even more bizarre.

So let's back up for a moment.

Of course, the story goes

that after he was released
in 1980s in Egypt,

he eventually went on to get arrested
and jailed once again,

this time for weapons dealing
by Egypt in 1984,

and then he ends up in Afghanistan
in the mid- and to late-1980s,

as so many other Islamic radicals did:

they gravitated towards Afghanistan,

which was the center of the jihadi
world there in the 1980s,

and the central defining fight
of that era.

So he went to Afghanistan, where he
met Osama Bin Laden.

That turned out to be a fortuitous
happenstance that they met,

because their relationship ended up
blossoming in a terrorist way,

and his organization, the
Egyptian Islamic Jihad,

ultimately ended up merging with
Osama Bin Laden's organization

into the al-Qaeda of the 1990s.

Then, blah-blah-blah, 9/11.

So, that's the story.

And somewhere around that route,

Zawahiri was traipsing around Europe,

getting asylum in Denmark and
maybe Switzerland

-- "we can't tell; there's
no way to know" --

and this is all, as you can understand,
this is usually left out

of the al-Zawahiri overview of his story,

because these are just
unimportant details.

Well, how about this particular detail?

This is extremely interesting:

so, again from this Wikipedia entry:

talking about Russia, it says,

"At some point in 1994, al-Zawahiri was
said to have "become a phantom,"

but is thought to have traveled widely
to "Switzerland and Sarajevo."

A fake passport he was using shows
that he traveled

to Malaysia, Taiwan, Singapore,
and Hong Kong.

On December 1, 1996,
Ahmad Salama Mabruk

and Mahmud Hisham al-Hennawi

-- both carrying false passports --

accompanied al-Zawahiri
on a trip to Chechnya,

where they hoped to re-establish
the faltering al-Jihad.

Their leader was traveling
under the name

Addullan Imam Mohammed Amin,

and trading on his medical credentials
for legitimacy.

The group switched vehicles three times,

but were arrested iwthin hours
of entering Russian territory,

and spent five months in a prison
awaiting trial.

The trio pled innocence, maintaining
their disguise

and having other al-Jihad members from
Bavari-C send the Russian authorities

please for lenience for their
"merchant" colleagues

who had been wrongly arrested;

and Russian Member of Parliament
Nadyr Khachiliev

echoed the pleas for their speedy release

as al-Jihad members Ibrahim Eidarous
and Tharwat Salah Shetata

traveled to Dagestan to plead
for their release.

Shehata received permission
to visit the prisoners,

and is believed to have
smuggled them $3000,

which was later confiscated
from their cell,

and to have given them a letter which
the Russians didn't bother to translate.

In Aprtil 1997, the trio were sentenced
to six months,

and were subsequently released
a month later

and ran off without paying their
court-appointed attorney

Abdulkhalik Abdusalamov his
$1,800 legal fee

citing their "poverty."

Shehata was sent on to Chechnya,

where he met Ibm Khattab."

What a bizarre entry!

So somehow, in late '96, early '97,

Zawahiri and his colleagues,

a couple of his jihadi friends,

spent upwards of six months
in a Russian prison

and were eventually released
without anyone in Russia

ever really figuring out who he was,

or what his significance was.

Now, this is not only a total load of BS,

it gets even more stupid than that.

Let's turn to a real source of information

to find out a little bit more
on that story:

we'll turn to History Commons,

of course, the "Terror Timeline"
which I recommend to everyone,

HistoryCommons.org.

Where you can find all sorts
of information,

so please type in Zawahiri into
their search engine,

and just go through the incredible
list of entries they have

documenting, at the very least,
the official story of Zawahiri

in every single detail.

But let's turn to the entry
"December 1, 1996-June 1997:"

"Russian Arrest of Zawahiri Brings Islamic Jihad"

"and Al-Qaeda Closer Together"

Ayman Zawahiri, leader of Islamic Jihad

and effective number two leader
of al-Qaeda,

travels ot Chechnya with two associates.

His associated are Ahmad
Salama Mabruk,

head of Islamic Jihad's cell
in Azerbaijan,

and Mahmud Hisham al-Hennawi,

a well-traveled militant.

Chechnya was fighting ot break free
from Russian rule

and achieved a cease-fire and
de facto independence

earlier in the year.

Zawahiri hopes ot establish
new connections there.

However, on December 1, 1996,
he and his associates

are arrested by Russian authorities
as they try to cross into Chechnya.

Zawahiri is carrying four passports,

none showing his real identity.

The Russians confiscate
Zawahiri's laptop

and send it to Moscow for analysis.

But apparently, they never translate
the Arabic documents on it

that could have revealed
who he really is.

Though some Russian investigators
suspect Zawahiri is a "big fish,"

they can't prove it.

He and his two associates are released
after six months.

Now, hold on a second!

Let's back up this ship just for a minute

and take a look at that thing
we just saw floating by.

The Russians not only were holding
Zawahiri: they had his laptop,

They had him in the cell for six months.

And they did not bother to translate
anything on his laptop.

In fact, as some accounts put it, they
weren't able to translate his laptop

because they weren't able to source
an Arabic translator.

And look at that, even the way
that it's worded here,

in this History Commons entry:
the Russian investigators "suspect"

that he's a big fish, but they
"can't prove it:"

even though they have his
laptop right there,

with all of these documents that
really do show who he is,

and what his connections are,

but they don't bother to, or can't,
in the whole of Russia,

locate an Arabic translator, in the six
months that they have him in custody.

This is, at the very least, a smelly
load of horse manure.

And at the very worst,

this is, of course, just a part of the
games that are played at this level

with these terrorists, who are
obviously protected assets.

And, well, in what manner is this,
does this information point?

Obviously, this Zawahiri is somebody

that the intelligence agencies
were aware of.

Obviously, we don't believe that Russia
had him in their grasp for six months

and just didn't bother to find out
who he was.

They didn't bother to translate, or couldn't
translate,

the documents on his laptop.

There's something very, very big
going on here,

and in order to really understand,
at base, what's going on here,

well, you might have noticed in that entry,
for example,

that it points out that Mabruk is head
of the Islamic Jihad cell in Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan... that seems like
an important location.

And anybody who's been following our
recent interview series with Sibel Edmonds

on Gladio and Gladio Plan B,

i.e. the Islamic radicalization branch
of Gladio,

which is being run through the
Pentagon and through NATO,

will probably be familiar
now with Azerbaijan

and at least some of its role
in this Gladio Plan B.

So that should set some
alarm bells ringing off,

and if they did, well, congratulations,

because you're on the right track.

So it was in this context that
I specifically asked Sibel

in our most recent interview,

which was conducted earlier today
for me here in Japan,

and which is currently up on
CorbettReport.com,

this is the third hour of our conversation
on Gladio.

Please go and listen to it.

Please spread the word about
this interview series.

It is the most important interviews
I have ever conducted,

and although it is by now,
I hope, familiar

to the listeners of The Corbett Report

and people who visit
BoilingFrogsPost.com,

I am very disheartened to note
that almost zero other coverage

in any of the other alternative media.

So apparently, Sibel Edmonds,
FBI whistleblower,

and all the incredible information
she's bringing out about Turkey

and about Azerbaijan and the
Central Asia/Caucasus region

and its part in Operation
Gladio Plan B

and all of this incredible information

is largely being ignored and
swept under the rug.

Well, I hope all of your out there can
do something about spreading this.

But let's turn to at least a little section
of this interview

that we conducted earlier today,

talking about Zawahiri, and if he really
was this big mastermind terrorist

and was being held by Russia
for six months,

and they ended up letting him go,

what was this really about?

And who is Zawahiri, after all?

Because, as we're told, this is the
real brains behind al-Qaeda.

This is the man who really
radicalized Osama Bin Laden

and convinced him that
the Jihad struggle

had to be spread around the world,

so even by the official narrative,

this is really the biggest of the big fish
in this War on Terror; and yet,

he has this amazing ability to waltz in
and out of countries all around Europe,

and to be held by the Russians for
six months and then released.

And basically act with such impunity:

who is he really, and who is
he really working for?

I'm working right now

on a podcast episode

about Ayman al-Zawahiri.

He has come up in our
conversation before;

and you mentioned, for example,

that Zawahiri was really
the operational brains

behind the al-Qaeda network

-- to the extent that that exists --

and that Bin Laden was
something of a puppet

-- or a serviceable, pliant billionaire --

to supply some of the resources
for that organization.

I would be interested to hear

anything that you have to say

to fill in on Zawahiri:

his background, how he plays into this,

and the process by which he radicalized
Bin Laden

-- or whatever it is that the theory is.

Sure.

The FBI side of information-gathering,

where you get to see

-- if you are there and if you have the
clearance and you have all those tapes --

the specific file operation for FBI

that I can start in mid- to late-1996;

and it went all the way 'til after 9/11.

This is when we talked about Çatlı.

And again, I had lightly mentioned

the preparation and the semi-diversion

to Plan B during the Balkans conflict
in mid-1990s.

So this is when Ayman Zawahiri's name

and Ayman Zawahiri's activities

show up a lot within the FBI files,

counterintelligence operations.

And again, not as al-Qaeda

-- al-Qaeda is never, ever, ever
mentioned there --

as mujahideen.

And not even connected,

in most of these operations,

to Bin Laden.

I mean, it's just Ayman Zawahiri.

And Ayman Zawahiri in Turkey:

a lot. OK?

Ayman Zawahiri in Bulgaria:

a lot -- but working with the Turkish arm
of NATO,

and with NATO.

Ayman Zawahiri in Azerbaijan.

And meetings within US military
attaché in Azerbaijan:

when Ayman Zawahiri is meeting

with high-level US and Turkish officials.

Both officials... officials also with
NATO titles.

So this is the Ayman Zawahiri we had

all the way until 9/11.

In one of the meetings within

the US military attaché

in Baku, Azerbaijan,

is the meeting where

in addition to these high-level officials,

you had two high-level Saudi officials.

But those Saudi officials

had jobs in the United States:

one of them was in charge of

the Saudi intelligence office
in the United States;

the other one was high-level
embassy person

-- again, Saudi.

So the meeting that took place,

these people from the United States

-- but the Saudis didn't go from
Saudi Arabia there,

they went from the United States --

in Baku.

And there were some other
meetings there, too.

And this is when...

again, if you look at it, in 1997, 1998,

several meetings took place in Baku

-- this is after the assassination attempt

by Abdullah Çatlı against Aliyev.

And as I said: a lot of trips

and a lot of activities in Turkey,

Ayman Zawahiri.

I read -- this is not part of the FBI --

of his presence in Switzerland,

which I didn't even know.

So, you have this guy traveling;

not in Afghanistan or Egypt:

he's in Turkey, Bulgaria,

Azerbaijan, Switzerland.

And Bin Laden: and I have said this

in the past 11 years since my case.

And I said, we always dealt

with "Bin Ladens" -- plural.

There were several Bin Laden
family members,

people with Bin Laden last name,

that worked directly with the
Saudi embassy

here in the United States.

They directly worked with Fethullah Gülen.

And they would go for an official
opening of the mosque

-- you know, when you cut the bow
with the scissors,

and the Turkish Prime Minister is there,

and they are clapping:

it's this mosque opened;

financed, supposedly, by Saudis
and Fethullah Gülen;

but actually the order and everything,

the direction of that financing,

came from the United States, NATO.

So, you see that a lot.

Now, another interesting thing

with Ayman Zawahiri during this period

-- and you will see a very,
very brief mentioning of this --

is his arrest by the Russians.

And FSB arrested Ayman Zawahiri,

and they put him in jail.

They kept him there for six months.

Now, Ayman Zawahiri supposedly

was carrying several passports.

However, according to all this

documented evidence, various articles,

he carried this laptop computer

filled with information.

Well, the information

we are talking about here

during this time

would be US, NATO operations that...

Ayman Zawahiri was carrying it out

for the United States, for NATO.

A lot of people, they're going to say,
"conspiracy theorist."

No. It was not.

They have gone as far as

-- because so much has been
leaked with CIA --

"Sure, sometimes we look the
other way."

It is a lie. It's absolutely false.

It was not that so-called, back then,
al-Qaeda

-- as they refer to them today:
mujahideen, Zawahiri --

it wasn't that they were carrying out

some operation that was convenient to us

in Bulgaria, in Yugoslavia,
and with the Chechens;

and we looked the other way.

That is false.

They -- their commanders --

were the United States and NATO.

They took the order; they implemented.

They were not...

we are not talking about parallel work.

No, we are not.

We are not talking about
convenient alliances.

No: we are talking about directly working

and directly being answerable to

a certain faction of the US government

and NATO -- a certain faction of NATO.

If you want to go and say,

90 percent of people who work
for NATO,

they're not involved in this.

It's a special division within NATO

hat includes the Turkish division
of NATO;

Romania -- believe me or not -- today...

Anyhow, so according to the stories,

Ayman Zawahiri is in jail.

FSB, OK?

And this is mid-1996, 1997.

They confiscate his laptop.

He's there for six months,

and the FSB and Russians

are unable to get these Arabic,

a lot of these documents,

translated.

Because they have no capabilities

or translator in the country

-- in entire Russia. OK? -- to...

and supposedly, this laptop was loaded.

Because of that, they let him go.

And that, right there, tells you

how much Russians must know,

and what happened after that.

Did they tag Zawahiri with their
own FSB agents,

saying, "Let him go, and we'll tag him."

"Because we know who
he is working for:"

"he's working for the United States
of America, for NATO,"

"-- as is obvious."

"And we'd rather him be out there
and tag him"

"than keep him in jail here,"

"because we want to find out more."

Well, of course you would think

that the US actors will be dumb and say,

"Why in the world did they release
Zawahiri?"

And the question becomes
these cat-and-mouse games,

and how did it develop between the two.

But I always mention, and I tell people,

and I say: look, this is the Soviet Union

that we spent trillions and trillions
and trillions of dollars fighting;

that gigantic beast.

They can go to the... almost to the moon,
and had nuclear.

They, that Soviet Union

-- FSB is during this time is the new KGB,

they were the same actors
that we talk about --

they were incapable of even finding
one translator

in the entire country for
their intelligence.

But, this is the official narrative
from the United States;

from the mainstream media,

whether it's the United Kingdom
or the United States.

But it would be very interesting to know

how much they were able to tag
and find out.

Because if what they are saying is correct

and if that laptop was loaded,

FSB had in their possession the manual,

and they knew who was
Zawahiri's real bosses:

and that would be US, NATO, Gladio Plan B.

And again, that tells you another
clue in there,

how much Russians know about this.

And if they were tagging him,

if they were aware of all this stuff,

you would think they would
use the opportunity

and put out so much information --

especially after 9/11

-- and say, "You know what,
United States?"

"This is your real face."

"You're telling this to your public,"

"but look: the final meeting"

"you had right before 9/11"

-- not the final, because
things continued.

In fact, I'm in touch

with some high-level people

who have retired from Pentagon,

one of them was a whistleblowers

-- but they're saying most likely

Zawahiri's current position

is in that region. You're looking at

either Dagestan or Azerbaijan.

He's not in Pakistan currently.

And even if he were to go to Pakistan,

it will be for certain

it will be a safe trip for him.

And as you know, we don't want

to capture any of these people alive.

We like the mystery to remain.

Nobody has talked:

none of these so-called "al-Qaedas"
never talk.

Or they are drugged to death

so they are zombies, like
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

They're -- you know, he comes there

and even if he talked,

are you going to believe this guy

who has been injected and waterboarded

and hypnotized or whatever?

But we don't capture these guys alive.

because imagine if these guys were
to talk,

or they were to show documents

of what kind of work they did,

and who did they work for!

And I'm still waiting to hear

from people in Russia,

people from Russia.

I hope that we have our
retired FSB who say,

"You know what, let's put it out there."

Or we may have some of
these Turkish generals,

and say,

"Well, we have already told the
Turkish people"

"through all these articles and
everything, what's going on."

"Now maybe we need to send some
of this information"

"and try to get this information
out in the United States."

I don't know if, besides Corbett Report,

if they would have any other outlet.

Because even if they were to give
all the documents

to New York Times or
Washington Post,

wouldn't see the light of day.

Well, I understand that the story

of them not being able to translate

the documents on this laptop

is complete BS.

And I guess we can speculate

that perhaps Russia is trying

to use this information,

keep it as leverage,

track some of these people, and do that.

But for the life of me, I don't
understand Zawahiri's motivation in this:

if he is directly, knowingly working for,

expressly for, the US NATO,
Gladio operation,

why would he be so?

And -- I mean, for people who don't
know his background,

supposedly he was radicalized
by Said Qutb.

He was imprisoned as part of the roundup

after the assassination of Sadat.

He was tortured there...

Correct.

..and he started, founded Egyptian
Islamic Jihad,

and then eventually went to
Afghanistan where he met Bin Laden.

So this is the background, supposedly,

of this Islamic radical.

"Supposedly" is the best way
to put it, James.

Because even if you were to take it apart,

what you just said about Anwar
Sadat's assassination:

we don't have the straight story

on Anwar Sadat's assassination.

And currently, nobody is able to hear

what, you know, Hosni Mubarak has to say.

Because if you look at Zawahiri

-- and with that kind of background,
and you've got...

how many times he went to jail and
how many times he was released, --

one of the first questions you
would ask is...

especially with countries like Egypt
and Turkey:

if you're really anti-government,

if you really are what they're saying
you are,

you don't even make it to jail, man.

You are taken out.

You know, you disappear.

There are tens of thousands of people

in Turkey who have disappeared.

Same thing: there are thousands
of people in Egypt

-- the real ones --

who have disappeared;

who have been assassinated;

who have been shot to death.

But this guy?

He's been in and out, in and out.

Even look at, like...

if you look at a timeline,
a lot of them have...

there's, like, conflicting timelines.

He's been in and out;

so that alone should tell you:

why was he out there?

Why wasn't he taken care of?

That kind of a dangerous man,

who was radicalized,

who supposedly took part

in Anwar Sadat's assassination?

All we have is, basically, repeated.

That... you really got to look at it

and see how much of it is just smoke:

because it doesn't add up.

Does this at least start to put some of
the pieces of the puzzle together for you?

I certainly hope it does.

And once again, we have to step back

and really take stock of what it is
we are learning here

right from the person who was working

with the documents themselves
in the FBI.

This is not a small deal:
this is a huge deal.

We have a whistleblower telling us,
directly telling us,

that Ayman al-Zawahiri was not just
coincidentally kind of working

in a relationship of convenience with
NATO, or part of this Gladio Plan B.

It wasn't, sort of, just
tangentially related.

They weren't puppetteering him:

they were directly controlling and
ordering Zawahiri during this period

in the late 1990s, leading
right up to 9/11.

He was directly working for NATO

and the section of the Pentagon
dealing with this Gladio Plan B.

And this is coming, again, directly
from an FBI whistleblower.

Hello, people!

This is monumental information
that we are receiving here

about one of the key figures
in this entire War on Terror

directly working for NATO
and the Pentagon.

This is... again, it cannot be stressed

how important this information is

and how much this blows the entire story

of 9/11 and all of this War on Terror

right out of the water.

So again, we have to start taking this information

and putting these pieces together,

and we have to start interrogating this
backstory of Ayman al-Zawahiri,

because they haven't written this
character out of the play yet,

like they did with Osama Bin Laden
and feeding him to the fishes.

Ayman al-Zawahiri is still, apparently,

this mastermind terrorist
boogeyman-at-large.

And just like Osama Bin Laden
was that terrorist boogeyman

who was risen from the grave
every now and then

to spook America into voting
this way or that

in whatever Presidential race,

or scaring people about global warming,
as al-Qaeda have done in recent years,

laughably enough

-- go check it out: it's true --

but no: Zawahiri is still out there and still
occasionally sending out messages;

and yes, they are still bothering to
make reports from time to time

telling you to be afraid, be very afraid,
of this NATO Gladio asset.

President Obama returned to the White
House this morning from Afghanistan,

where he signed a security agreement

pledging US support through 2024.

Hours after he left Afghanistan,
the Taliban set off a bomb in Kabul

that killed seven civilians.

The President's visit came one year
to the day

after Navy SEALS killed Osama Bin Laden.

His terror group, al-Qaeda, is now
run by Ayman al-Zawahiri,

a physician and long-time
Bin Laden deputy.

Is al-Qaeda still a threat?

We asked Bob Orr to take a look.

The world first met Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri

as an angry young man,

railing in English

from a courtroom cell in Cairo.

We are here,

the real Islamic front,

That was 30 years ago,

when Zawahiri was an Islamic
revolutionary in Egypt.

He was arrested with hundreds of others

for the assassination of Egyptian
President Anwar Sadat,

After three years in prison,

Zawahiri left Egypt for a
lifetime of terror.

In 1998, he joined forces
with Osama Bin Laden.

As al-Qaeda's number two,
Zawahiri was at the core

of every major attack,

including 9/11.

Following Bin Laden's killing
by US Navy SEALs,

Zawahiri seized control

He is as deadly a threat
as we faced before.

Bruce Rydell, who spent three decades
at the CIA chasing al-Qaeda,

says Zawahiri wants to tighten his grip
on the terror network.

Zawahiri, to cement his authority,
has to carry out terror.

He has to produce a significant
terrorist attack

which has his fingerprints on it.

So to establish his credentials,

his standing in the terror world,

he needs to attack.

Sooner or later.

You can't just talk about terror

and expect to be regarded
as a terrorist mastermind.

You've got to orchestrate terror.

But Zawahiri's al-Qaeda,
centered in Pakistan,

has been battered by relentless
drone strikes

and may not be capable of
another large-scale attack,

so Zawahiri has used

a dozen audio and video messages

since Bin Laden's death

to inspire strikes by al-Qaeda affiliates

and home-grown radicals within the US.

Juan Zarate, who was on the
National Security Council

of the George Bush White House,

says Zawahiri's propaganda

might help the US find him.

Anytime he pops his head up,
like a prairie dog,

he can be found, or a trace back
to him can be found.

So the dilemma for Zawahiri is he needs
to message to stay relevant,

but when he messages,
he becomes vulnerable.

That's right.

US officials say if they get a
clear shot at Zawahiri,

they'll take it.

Rydell says he suspects Zawahiri,

like Bin Laden,

is hiding in a populated center,

somewhere deep inside Pakistan.

Is it important to take Zawahiri
off the battlefield?

Absolutely. This is a resourceful
and smart guy,

and it's important that we get
him as soon as possible.

Zawahiri lacks Bin Laden's charisma,

and core al-Qaeda, in fact, is down
to a few hundred members,

but counterterrorism official (x)
say it would be a big mistake

to understimate the Egyptian doctor.

Now I think there's one other
part of the Zawahiri story

that we should touch on before
we wrap things up today,

and that's that I think part of the grander
idea of this War on Terror,

is... the idea of the War on Terror
is changing.

We can see it morphing through the way

it's being presented in the
mainstream right now.

Because some of its main
ideas and memes

are becoming somewhat less tenable,

somewhat more problematic, shall we say,

for the official, dominant paradigm.

And by that, I mean, of course,
what we say in Libya

with using the LIFG, which is
really part and parcel

with the al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

AQIM,

and now using those same Jihadis in Syria

to try to destabilize that government:

I think it's getting to the point where

even though you will never see those
dots connected in the mainstream media,

there's enough of an awareness now that,

Oh, yes: we're using the same terrorists
that we're supposedly fighting

that I think they don't want to concentrate
on al-Qaeda proper anymore, so much .

I think that idea is being brushed
to the side.

Now it's more on a case-by-case basis.

Anything with "AQ" in its name,

al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,

is clearly the bad guys,

the bad terrorists.

But the other terrorists, the LIFG,

those kinds of groups:
the ones in Libya,

the ones in other countries

that are working for our interests
in Syria, for example,

those are the good terrorists.

And this is a phenomenon that's been
well-pointed-out in the alternative media.

you will never hear a word about it
in the mainstream media,

but what else is new?

But I think it shows a changing
of the paradigm.

Sort of, the narrative is
becoming muddier.

So there is a chance that
whatever Zawahiri...

wherever he really is,

whatever he's really doing
right now,

and whoever he's really working for,

whether or not they ever resurrect him from the grave

to become the mastermind of
some next big false-flag event,

which is actually puppetteered by the
people in the intelligence establishment:

whether or not that ever happens,

whether or not they ever play that card,

well, they can always keep that
up their sleeve.

But they might be trying to introduce
new players to the table.

But interestingly enough,

just as a lot of intelligence agencies
tend to recruit people

from, literally, within certain families,

well, they like to keep all their operations
within the same families, it seems,

because who else has now
surfacing in Egypt

as part of the new rising of
the Muslim Brotherhood

and the Islamic radicals in Egypt

but Zawahiri's brother?

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The protest started Tuesday in Cairo,

where thousands of hard-line Islamists
marched on the embassy.

and tore down the Stars and Stripes,

apparently in reaction to an
amateur YouTube clip

insulting the Prophet Mohammed.

Organizing the crowd was
Mohammed al-Zawahiri,

a convicted jihadist

and brother of al-Qaeda leader
Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Today, they younger brother
sat down with Fox News

for an exclusive interview
about the protests.

It has nothing to do with
the standard elements,

but insulting 1.5 billion of Muslims
around the world

and the Prophet Mohammed.

How can you call for a protest

about a movie that you haven't seen?

I read about the movie.

it's merely the title,

it's refused by us.

If the Egyptian people saw this movie,

the protests would explode.

Zawahiri was released from an
Egyptian prison this year,

and is now working to bring about
an Islamic state in Egypt.

He says the violence and protests
will continue

until the makers of the film are punished.

In sharia, of course, if you insult
the Prophet Mohammed, you're killed

Correct. If they do not repent,
we will execute them.

You know, they really need to hire
some new script writers

for this whole War on Terror,

because it seems like they're really
running out of ideas and characters,

but there you go.

So Zawahiri's brother is now
another one of these players

on the geopolitical chessboard.

So this is all extremely interesting,

and again, we can only just glance
on the top of these issues

from the perspective of a
short podcast like this.

But as always, I'm going to put the links
in the show notes for today's episode,

so that you can go and
start exploring this.

Especially, of course, History Commons,
which has just hundreds, and hundreds,

and hundreds, and hundreds
of references

to all sorts of different mainstream and
establishment pieces of this puzzle,

which go and indict the story from
the establishment's own words.

So very... again, History Commons
is such a valuable resource.

I hope people out there
are making use of it.

And also, of course, Sibel Edmonds,
our third interview:

extremely important information,

and the pieces are starting to connect.

So if you are following this
on a weekly basis,

this third interview,

again, I can't stress enough
how important it is.

If you're not following it,
start following it.

And you can start listening
from the first interview.

I will put the links to all three interviews
in the show notes

for this episode of this podcast.

So please, go and start researching
further into this.

We're going to have to
leave it there for today,

but I hope at the very least we've
started the coversation,

and started you down the road of
exploring Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri

and who he is really working for

in a little bit more detail.

And please let me know about how
your research into this goes

and what pieces of the puzzle you can find.

And by all means: if anyone can find,
for example,

documentation of Sadat's wife
actually making that claim,

that Sadat was protected
in London by the UK

which refused to extradite him to Egypt
after Sadat's assassination,

if anyone can find proof of that
interview, for example,

or a recording of that interview,

I'd be greatly interested to see it,

or any of the other pieces
of the puzzle.

As always, you can contact me
at CorbettReport.com.

The contact form is there on the website,

and I'm interested to hear what
you guys out there find.

We're gonna leave it there for today

with the proviso and caveat as always

that this podcast is brought
to you by you,

so if you value this independent
alternative media,

I do require your support.

And I want to thank everyone out
there who does support it.

And on that note, we'll leave it
there for today.

I'm your host James Corbett
of CorbettReport.com

thanking you for joining me,

and asking you to join me again next week.

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