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<futurama140> I have a problem for which I need URGENT help as I only have 12 hours before the system in question MUST be working: I have a lenovo g50-45 and I am trying to install debian 8 with cinnamon (x64) and anytime I get to the GRUB install, it says thagt it cannot instqall grub bootloader. How can I fix this?
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<AlexLikeRock> install without  GRUB
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<AlexLikeRock> then  boot  by this  other  CD
<AlexLikeRock> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
<futurama140> when i try to install without grub, the installer locks up, and i have no CD, only USB
<AlexLikeRock> well, other USB
<futurama140> sorry, i was being acute with the cd thing
<futurama140> but when i try to install without the grub or lilo, the whole installer just hangs
<AlexLikeRock> do you change  UEFI  to LEGACY  ?
<AlexLikeRock> at BIOS ?
<futurama140> ive tried 2 seperate usbs, and checked my md5 to ensure file integrity
<AlexLikeRock> its soo frecuently    FAIL GRUB to install
<AlexLikeRock> :-D
<futurama140> i dont know how to do that on that particular laptop... ill google that... that might just be my problem
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<futurama140> (it seems i have the only laptop in the world that doesnt use F# keys or DEL to enter bios, i have to shut the system down entirely and hit a tiny button with a pen on the back of the system
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: NOTED! boot mode was set to legacy, I will check and see if that fixed it!
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<AlexLikeRock> go to BIOS = F2
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: UEFI boot mode doesnt allow me to boot from USB
<AlexLikeRock> and    disabled "secure Boot"
<AlexLikeRock> UEFI SUCKS!
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: now i cant boot at all
<AlexLikeRock> its  question ?
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: the only option i have in boot menu is "EFI PXE Network" and nothing else
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<futurama140> i cant boot from USB or anything... and i have no OS installed
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<AlexLikeRock> yes
<futurama140> i have NO network to boot from- it says "no bootable device" when i try to boot in UEFI mode
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<AlexLikeRock> do you  change  USB  to first level ?
<AlexLikeRock> do you finish yo instalation WITHOUT grub
<AlexLikeRock> ??
<futurama140> i cant do install without grub, it locks up when i try to do thaat~
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<sergio-br2> hi
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<sergio-br2> I split a package, my case is #8: https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition
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<sergio-br2> I added Break  & Replace, but still it's breaking my system
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<sergio-br2> it's install B without purging the old A
<sergio-br2> *it's installing B
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: ITs not working!!
<AlexLikeRock> what ?
<AlexLikeRock> USB " ?
<AlexLikeRock> usb 2?
<AlexLikeRock> supertux ?
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: i got the debian installed without grub
<AlexLikeRock> super grub ?
<futurama140> i made the USB with supergrub using unetbootin
<futurama140> and switched to UEFI
<futurama140> and its trying to boot from network
<AlexLikeRock> forget  network
<AlexLikeRock> you must  boot  by USB-DRIVE
<futurama140> i cqant
<AlexLikeRock> why ?
<futurama140> there is no option for usb when i switch to uefi
<AlexLikeRock> why  you change  to UEFI ?
<futurama140> anytime i change from legacy to uefi, the ONLY thing that comes up is boot from network
<AlexLikeRock> you need legacy
<futurama140> ok
<AlexLikeRock> i will back ....
<AlexLikeRock>  reboot
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<sergio-br2> Can I do
<sergio-br2> A:
<sergio-br2> Depends: B (= ${source:Version})
<sergio-br2> B:
<sergio-br2> Pre-Depends: A (>> 1)
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<sergio-br2> crap
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<r4f_debian> Only now I saw your greeting here, I was absent, sorry, AlexLikeRock, thanks, Friend ! :)
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<sergio-br2> ok, pasted it to here: https://hastebin.com/fatirihani.scala
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<sergio-br2> can I do that? the first statement is not working
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock:  when i boot from USB with the supergrub, unetbootin shows only default is option. it goes in loop every 10 seconds.
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<AlexLikeRock> grrrrrr
<AlexLikeRock> do you detect OS  ???
<futurama140> i dont know how to do that
<bruce> quit
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<futurama140> how do i detect with nothing...?
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock : http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD
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<AlexLikeRock> this option   http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sgd2_2.00s1b1_main_screen.png
<AlexLikeRock> do you  do ?
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: I don't get that far.
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: after Debian install, I shut down, and put in SuperGrub USB, and boot up PC, go to Boot manager, boot from USB, then I get the Screen I show you
<AlexLikeRock> select
<AlexLikeRock> DETECT ANY OS
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: I ONLY GET http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD
<futurama140> there is NO "DETECT ANY OS"
<AlexLikeRock> too bad
<AlexLikeRock> what  version of SUPER GRUB select ?
<futurama140> 2
<futurama140> AlexLIkeRock: Super Grub2 Disk (CD & USB in one) 2.02s6 (ISO)[Mirror #1]
<futurama140> this one
<AlexLikeRock>  Download stable Super Grub2 Disk
<AlexLikeRock> Download beta Super Grub2 Disk
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<AlexLikeRock> ok,
<AlexLikeRock>  you isntall NORMAL
<AlexLikeRock> download BETA, and try  again
<AlexLikeRock> ;-)
<futurama140> ok, i need to find beta
<AlexLikeRock> i forget
<AlexLikeRock>  Unetboot,  sucks !  some times
<AlexLikeRock> i use last time, and  not  work like  you
<futurama140> this one?
<futurama140> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/category/download/supergrub2diskdownload/super-grub2-disk-beta/
<AlexLikeRock> in my case no boot  super grub
<futurama140> is from 2015
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<AlexLikeRock> this pic,  http://imgur.com/a/CLWbD   not show    SUPER GRUB ,  , only show  UNETBOOT MENU
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<futurama140> yes
<futurama140> i know this
<futurama140> OK NOW: Server not found Firefox can't find the server at forja.cenatic.es.
<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: i cant get to website with beta
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<AlexLikeRock> oh nooo
<AlexLikeRock> its  tooo bad
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<AlexLikeRock> take   https://sourceforge.net/projects/supergrub2/files/2.02s5/super_grub2_disk_hybrid_2.02s5.iso/download
<AlexLikeRock> or S6
<AlexLikeRock> https://sourceforge.net/projects/supergrub2/files/2.02s6/
<AlexLikeRock> they  say , HYBRID = support to UEFI
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<futurama140> AlexLikeRock: Still no work
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<AlexLikeRock> hard  way :
<AlexLikeRock> download  DEBIAN-LIVE
<somiaj> don't use unetbootin for debian images, what is the actual issue? What os are you trying to make the usb image from?
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<somiaj> also debian-live does nto support efi, if you want to use efi boot you have to use the offical isntallers (not the live images)
<futurama140> debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso
<somiaj> you won't get efi with that, but besides that, what os are in trying to make tha timage from?
<somiaj> well trying to copy it to a usb drive from?
<futurama140> the same
<somiaj> 'the same', that doens't answer what os.
<futurama140> debian 8.7.1 cinnamon
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<somiaj> if you want to create a bootable usb from a debian.iso in a linux os, use cp. 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is your usb drive device (like /dev/sdc -- also use /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1 and make sure it is your usb device, this will destory all data ont he device you copy it to)
<lsass> or use dd if=<iso> of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
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<user> hi
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<Guest1703> hello
<futurama140> i had heard people mentioning (not outright, only alluding to) debian not working via netbootin, but nobody had actually SAID that before
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<futurama140> somiaj: i dont care about uefi, i just want to install debian on this POS lenovo and have it actually boot
<Heston> why hasn't debian pulled EFI support from ubuntu?
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<somiaj> Heston: debian has efi support and it works good. Debian just doesn't have live images that support it.
<somiaj> !unetbootin
<dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions.  http://unetbootin.sf.net/  Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems.  Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
<futurama140> HOLY SHIT. the stuff is actually **working** this time! Why is it that it has taken me 3 days of googling and posting on unix stackexchangge for someone to finally tell me just to use "CP" and not unetbootin???
<somiaj> futurama140: if you read the installation guide it says this. Also the debian installers are a little bit better than the one on the live image, but if that live image works for you go for it (the only issue I see people have with the live images in some cases grub wont' install properly)
<Heston> somiaj, any idea why?
<Heston> or just not a priority
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<somiaj> Heston: partly the debian-live team had a split a year (or so) ago and hasn't had enough resources/time to include new efatures in the live build
<somiaj> Heston: Debian just really doesn't have a strong live enviroment. Debian has a lot of thigns going for it, a strong/robust live system isnt' one. Its live system is there, but it is kinda limited compared to other live distros out there.
<Heston> there must be a lot of duplicated efforts between debian and ubuntu for livecds
<somiaj> well when debian started providing live-cd's its goals where different. Debian wanted to provide a system to build live-enviroments (live-build) and then allow users to build custom live enviroments from their collection of packages on debian.
<somiaj> so the focus was to create the build enviroment over just live cds, the the split of the debian-live team, and the project is mostly in matiance mode where new live enviroments are built but I haven't seen many new features added to the live-build
<futurama140> somiaj: i'm using "graphical installer" and just came to an issue: it cant detect and mount cdrom: But i am using USB. I went back to the list of install steps, clicked on detect and mount cdrom, and this time it is working, it finished partitioning and is now installing. do you know what happened?
<somiaj> while ubuntu and other places focused more on using live enviorments to showcase things.
<futurama140> i dont care if i use a live image or not, i just dont know how to install without a GUI interface...
<somiaj> futurama140: that 'cannot detect cdrom' is a common artifact to unetbootin. Mostly this happens because debian live images are already bootable and complete, but unetbootin tries to make them bootable doing its own thing. This thing messes with out the install system is expecting to work.
<futurama140> so in the future i should do a full format of the USB before cp-ing the iso to the USB if i had had a previous unetbootin on the USB?
<Heston> somiaj, ah that sounds really cool
<somiaj> there is very little difference between the text and graphical install in debian-installer, one just uses a mouse to select things, the other's arrow keys.
<somiaj> Heston: in theory, in practice the live system just isnt' as good as other places (unless you want to read though the docs and build your own custom one)
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<futurama140> Ok, so i really should just get the regular debian ISO... i need to check to find one that includes non-free with it.
<somiaj> !firmware installer
<dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy).  See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware .  See also <firmware images>.
<somiaj> !firmware images
<dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
<futurama140> right, that's where i got the ISO i'm using from
<futurama140> GRUB is finally installing
<somiaj> also when using the live-image to install, it is better to boot it into the installer and install from that (sounds like what you are doing) over boot into the live image and then install from the live iamge
<futurama140> yea, no longer going to use the live image for anything....
<futurama140> i have no purpose for the live image, other than i'm a n00b and thought that would be the easiest way to do it
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<futurama140> I'm totally unprepared for debian distros, but having used ubuntu for the last couple years, and then having a friend of mine put debian on this system, i hqave found that debian is vastly more stable than ubuntu
<somiaj> plus the offical installers have uefi support (though debian doens't have secure boot support out of the box...yet)
<somiaj> debian goes through a much longer testing/bugfixing/release cycle and then doesn't change things once its done....side affect, packages don't have all the fancy new features, but this is a common attitude of people who use debian
<somiaj> !sns
<dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released.  If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
<futurama140> i have a friend who had his windows 10 crash, and is so incredibly paranoid of the data mining that he dropped off his laptop with me and said "put debian on this, i'll be back on friday"
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<futurama140> this guy hasn't touched a PC since 1999
<futurama140> i cant talk him out of it, but man is it sure stressing me the hell out trying to put the debian on it that i am not qualified to troubleshoot yet
<somiaj> I like to think of it as a learning exerience
<futurama140> ok: the next (and final) problem: I don't know how to set up the wifi on the new system now
<futurama140> it is not being automatically detected
<somiaj> is this with the firmware installer?
<somiaj> is this on jessie? Can you let me know what wifi chipset is being used, 'lspci'
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<futurama140> 01:00.0 Qualcomm Atheros Device 0041 (rev 20)
<futurama140> OR
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<futurama140> 02:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
<somiaj> actually lspci -nnn, and this is what I need, for exmple here is my output (I dont have wifi on this machine) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 09), I want the pciid, whcih is the [10ec:8168] part
<somiaj> seems you ahve the same lan as I do
<futurama140> 168c:0041
<somiaj> ,pciid 168c:0041
<judd> [168c:0041] is 'QCA6164 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0041
<futurama140> the RJ-45 port in the back is physically destroyed
<futurama140> does that mean there is no way to use the wifi on that system then?
<somiaj> no
<somiaj> this is newer hardawre right?
<futurama140> i believe it was purchased 2 years ago
<futurama140> lenovo g50-45
<futurama140> cheapest thing walmart sold, he tells me
<somiaj> I can't find confirmation that this will work, but it most likely requires a newer kernel
<somiaj> !bpo kernel
<dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository.  Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update».  To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`».  To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
<somiaj> and you may also need firmware-ahteros from jessie-backports as well
<somiaj> I don't see your exact card listed, but I see similar cards, Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174, listed
<somiaj> !jessie-backports
<dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository.  Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org.  A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main».  Also ask me about <bdo>.
<somiaj> I found a ubuntu bug that says the QCA6174 should work for your QCA6164 card, so most likely the backported kernel and firmware will work for you
<futurama140> wow ok.
<futurama140> i need to do this with no internet connection
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<futurama140> the rj-45 is physically destroyed
<somiaj> you can use packages.debian.org and download the .deb you need, copy them over and dpkg -i them
<somiaj> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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<somiaj> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-base
<somiaj> https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/firmware-atheros
<somiaj> should be the three packages you need
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<futurama140> i assume i can pull the tarballs of each of the three?
<somiaj> no pull the .deb
<somiaj> scroll down the bottom, choose your arch you want, then choose a mirror
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<futurama140> somiaj: install them in the order in which you listed them?
<somiaj> all at once, dpkg -i *deb if those are the only three .deb files in the current directory
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<futurama140> somiaj: ok... i clicked reboot when it finished... IT WORKS!
<futurama140> thank you!
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<futurama140> It would have taken me several more years of intimate familiarity with linux to figure that out! I appreciate it!
<somiaj> you will want to ensure you enable jessie-backports
<somiaj> and install the kernel metapackage linux-image-amd64 from jessiebackprots as per the bots instructions above to ensure you get kernel updates
<futurama140> ok