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  1. Cupcake Counter-bin
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  5. ONE: day 4 of the round, cupcake n1s him: https://epicmafia.com/game/5462527 without any reservations it appears, yet the next day he metaclears her in the next game I link for n1ing him. so yeah, I am not finding much sense in that, other than he trusts she doesn't n1 his runner alt which is still honest meta
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  7. TWO: https://epicmafia.com/game/5473672 Pony lead the kill, cupcake says he's gonna get mad at her for n1ing him, so that's that. They literally don’t want to n1 each other ever, proof goes on later in the game when he metaclears 100% cupcake, he parades around that she’s not going to n1 him as if its matter of fact. This type of power available to you because you only follow a kill on float when it’s forced on you is truly just unfair. She even admits she hardly ever n1s him at 13:33, if you can't even remember the last time you did then that says your meta is honest.
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  9. “a lot of people don’t n1 runners on principle, actually majority of competent competitive mafia players don’t n1 runners usually.. and again, where i considered she didn’t n1 me, she actually did.. so the honest meta that we're talking about, isn’t honest any more.. especially when she said she doesn’t remember the last time she n1'ed float when she just did it.. it’s not honest anymore imo” - from float’s counterbin
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  11. The thing about this game is, it’s literally not my fault float decided to meta clear me based on his own trust. He knows I n1 him, he knows I’ve done it multiple times but HE still decided to meta clear me when I never once tried to meta clear myself based on it. I said 1 line “I don’t remember the last time I n1ed float” which could have even been interpreted as I n1ed him this game but don’t remember the last time I did (I even read this as a bit of a slip from myself, looking back). These 2 very games contradict each other, so he should have remembered I did it previously, especially since he was so enraged by it, and known to not 100% meta-clear me. This obviously isn’t honest meta at all since I’ve done it before without problem as you can see.
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  13. ^ I spent a while trying to figure out *why* this happened, why did she say she never n1s him etc and the meta-clearing all while she n1'd his alt the day before? I'm going to assume it's because he's running on Float and he trusts that she'd never do that.
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  15. The very honest meta that you’re accusing us of in this pastebin is broken within the same bin itself, so I don’t see how you can seriously believe the honest meta argument that you’re making here. The accusations and evidence in the original bin aren’t self-consistent.
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  17. https://epicmafia.com/game/5463223 11:31 OGI uses someones run to sway the vote
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  19. 11:31 cupcake and you say you're running
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  21. ash1 kept mentioning that they were running and that they didn’t want to be hammered, didn’t use his run “and you say you’re running” is the same as saying “and you call yourself a good player” this was taken incredibly out of context by saying she used “someone’s” run to sway a vote
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  23. This was just appealing to his desire to see himself as a good player, it wasn’t to the point of something like “don’t hammer me for the sake of your run and mine”. I only brought it up once there as an offhand comment and didn’t refer to it again. I didn’t use my run (or his) to sway his decision making process for the hammer.
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  25. The exact quote was “and you say you’re running”, which was the one and only time that I brought up anything about the round during that game. It was even brought up at the beginning of the day before I started to use logic and reasoning to appeal to him, which was ultimately why he hammered my CC rather than me. If I’d said it at the end to get him to question himself and lynch the other person I could see your case but it wasn’t even a part of my case against my CC.
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  28. https://epicmafia.com/game/5476589 14:40 using her run to get control of the game and after asking for hammer, so also the votes, another OGI
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  30. I wasn’t using my run to sway the votes in my favor, I asked gerryoath to clear me because it worked in a previous game https://epicmafia.com/game/5476230 which would have made the odds 50/50 instead of 33%. I never once asked for hammer and I never once said don’t lynch me because of my run either, I was hardcore appealing because mafia (swan) was tunneling me. Which is ATE not OGI. I’ve appealed like this previously and it hasn’t been an issue until now. This also isn’t alignment telling because I could say this as mafia or town and it doesn’t have to mean anything to the other players.
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  32. 14:40 cupcake you're going to cost me any shot i have at a trophy like legitimately
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  34. This is clear cut appealing to someone’s emotion, she’s blatantly making an emotional appeal with respect to despondency by appealing to Gerryoath to rely on empathy to townread her, not asking for hammer like poser mentioned in her pastebin.
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  37. https://epicmafia.com/game/5478110 slight OGI here, using her run (the points) as a way to be townread on day one. on d2 12:50 same thing. this is unfair to be townread on, then 16:51 threatening her friend cody and the other guy that she will NEVER play with them again if they think she’s mafia, not nice nor moral
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  39. Mentioning the town points isn’t OGI - there’s a difference between saying something like “I flipped town this game and I need to win to get the 70 points in order to secure a trophy” and “I need town points”. I never tried to get the hammer (until 3 way) and when I did I didn’t bring up the fact that I was running and needed to win the game.
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  41. As for what I said to Shamu and Cody, It’s not against the rules to emotionally appeal to them like that. I don’t think either of them even reacted to what I said and I assumed that both of them knew that I didn’t seriously mean it. It’s a bit of a stretch to say that I should be disqualified from the round because of the way I played this 3 way, where I broke no rules and didn’t bring up my run at all. Many players both now and in the past have been neither nice nor moral and have never had to deal with this kind of accusation in an official investigation, much less have had to respond seriously to such things.
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  43. https://epicmafia.com/game/5458110 31:30 to 31:44, 34:04. then 34:52 -34:58 "hardclaiming town" is apparently a noteable thing to do when you're friends with someone?! also it's not really nice to threaten a close friend that you'll never play with them if they don't vote someone, although not sure where this stands in terms of rule breaking, rather than just ATE
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  45. “This was from d1 in that game, prayag’s biggest fos was alive d5, so he was just reaction testing cupcake to see if they were town or no.. if you read his games you'd regularly see he hammers his FoS from d1, so his hammer didn’t have anything to do with anyone saying anything” - Float’s counterbin
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  47. This is basically the same as the previous with game above this, he entirely knows that I don’t mean that. It was strict ATE, I’m also fairly certain he FoS’d the mafia the entire game and wasn’t planning to hammer me anyways. I said it as an added cushion of appealing to him as well as giving him logic and debunking the mafia’s false arguments.
  48. If you really want to push on the idea of meta abuse here, think about this: if we’re meta abusing I wouldn’t have to appeal so hard to him to get him to lynch my CC. I could get him lynched with far less effort and far more insurance if we’re actually meta abusing; I wouldn’t have to appeal to this extent if there were actual meta abuse going on.
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  50. https://epicmafia.com/game/5466841/review she gets upset at the n1 kill and is basically cleared by prayag, just showing here that the ability to trust someone who can easily fake this is just unfair to others. claims to NEVER n1 runners and is trusted because of it. meta abuse
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  52. I don’t honestly know why you say that prayag cleared her.. if you read the game, you'd see cody also claimed he didn’t do it, sinek8's reaction was top notch, so prayag hammered his biggest fos there, really don’t see why you're saying prayag cleared her, it was the reactions there so saying that prayag cleared her is grasping at straws, because never did prayag say it, plus the whole table believed it - from float’s response
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  54. For this accusation to hold water, I’d have to be meta abusing with Pony, wouldn’t I? The fact that she was killed on night 1 and I got angry about it suggests that I have a tendency to not N1 her. The statement about not N1ing runners is also just an emotional appeal, it’s not something I actually follow (see the games where I N1’d prayag/float this round). It’s really not something to trust me with - the reason I was townread early this game was because of the way that I reacted to Pony getting N1’d, not because I’m meta abusing with float.
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  56. when gerry was suspended for playing with mori, they had 28 games together. 2 went incomplete, therefore 26. the stats are:
  57. 9 mutual wins
  58. 3 mutual losses
  59. beat her 10 times
  60. she beat him 4 times. meaning his winrate with mori was 73%
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  62. annabelles winrate with float stats:
  63. 12 mutual wins
  64. 2 mutual loss
  65. beat him 6 times
  66. he beat her 7 times. winrate: 66.7%
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  68. annabelles winrate with calvin:
  69. 84%
  70. 16/19 won. a happy medium between the two percentages puts them directly in the gerry and mori area.
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  73. floats winrate with calvin: 66.7%
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  75. ~ when calvin was running on dope 28 days ago ~
  76. his winrate with annabelle was 83% out of 18 games, plenty of which was him beating her. i find it to be damning that depending on which player is running, the other becomes open to failing multiple times. these are two instances between the two across two runs where they literally have done worse than gerry and mori.
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  78. his winrate with stayaway was 12/15 - 80%
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  80. precedent that meta abuse can get people banned:
  81. https://epicmafia.com/report/141212
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  89. Convo with Edark
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  91. [9/18/16, 5:51:42 AM] Edark: That makes sense
  92. [9/18/16, 5:51:59 AM] c★: anyway, if you’re setting a number
  93. [9/18/16, 5:52:06 AM] c★: just let us know here when you find out
  94. [9/18/16, 5:52:15 AM] Edark: yeah
  95. [9/18/16, 5:52:18 AM] Edark: its quite unfair tbh
  96. [9/18/16, 5:52:28 AM] Edark: to you guys that is
  97. [9/18/16, 5:52:32 AM] Edark: uhhh
  98. [9/21/16, 1:09:14 AM] c★: yo did you end up getting a number?
  99. [10/6/16, 3:06:29 AM] c★: EDARK
  100. [10/6/16, 3:06:32 AM] c★: EDARK
  101. [10/6/16, 3:06:33 AM] c★: EDARK
  102. [10/6/16, 3:19:15 AM] Edark: Hello
  103. [10/6/16, 3:44:19 AM] Edark: Oh yeaj
  104. [10/6/16, 3:44:28 AM] Edark: I forgot to tell u the number
  105. [10/6/16, 3:44:43 AM] Edark: It was supposed to be 10-12 at maximum
  106. [10/6/16, 3:44:58 AM] Edark: So please avoid playing more games together any further
  107. [10/6/16, 3:45:05 AM] Edark: Since you're at 19
  108. [10/6/16, 3:48:37 AM] c★: alright thx
  109. [10/6/16, 3:50:10 AM] a♥︎: does this include prayag? also btw like we're all on the leader board so it's not the same as calvin's run on dope
  110. [10/6/16, 3:50:24 AM] a♥︎: epicmafia the only game in the world where you literally can't play with your friends what is life
  111. [10/6/16, 3:50:47 AM] Edark: No prayag isnt included
  112. [10/6/16, 3:50:51 AM] Edark: Its soley you 2
  113. [10/7/16, 3:23:01 PM] a♥︎: edark do you want to play mafia
  114. [10/9/16, 12:23:58 AM] a♥︎: hey edark whenever you're like around on skype i'd like to just talk to you quickly if that's ok
  115. [10/9/16, 4:20:03 AM] Edark: wsup
  116. [10/9/16, 4:21:57 AM] a♥︎: i just wanted to ask you like because i'm not planning to play anymore games with calvin but like if it's going to be some kind of issue like last time i'd rather fix it now instead of waste my time, you know what i mean?
  117. [10/9/16, 4:22:42 AM] a♥︎: i wouldn't have played more than 10 - 12 with him if i knew the rule tbf
  118. [10/9/16, 4:22:55 AM] a♥︎: or whatever
  119. [10/9/16, 4:23:04 AM] Edark: uh
  120. [10/9/16, 4:24:04 AM] Edark: well people will problably look into your games but unless they find some cheating in them then nothing will happend
  121. [10/9/16, 4:25:38 AM] c★: lit
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  124. Convo with Retti
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  126. [10/13/16, 11:55:28 PM] a♥︎: a♥︎ added c★, Retti to this conversation
  127. [10/13/16, 11:55:43 PM] c★: sup
  128. [10/13/16, 11:56:00 PM] Retti: hi
  129. just gonna quote poser's bin for a couple of stuff, I haven't fully looked at your game but I did take face value in how much anna won against you
  130. [10/13/16, 11:56:22 PM] c★: just lmk what you need me to do
  131. [10/13/16, 11:56:29 PM] c★: also, i
  132. [10/13/16, 11:56:47 PM] c★: ‘ve had a 12 hour day at school so just lmk whenever you can get on call i’d prefer that over typing
  133. [10/13/16, 11:58:00 PM] Retti: ill start small then
  134. why weren't you two n1ing each other? despite obvious reasons, because I know you two have more fun playing together but still
  135. [10/13/16, 11:59:17 PM] a♥︎: i mean do we have to n1 each other? also, i kind of do like the win more if i can trick him since he's better than me clearly it's like a challenge and you know obvious we do join the games to play with each other
  136. [10/14/16, 12:00:09 AM] c★: i was never put in a positiion by a team-mate to n1 her, i would if that was the case since it’s happened before but you sort of answered that question yourself, i don’t generally see the point in n1’ing someone who i want to play with e.g. other than anna - tyler/gira
  137. [10/14/16, 12:00:54 AM] c★: you can also ask tyler that, he generally, for the most part doesn’t go about n1’ing me
  138. [10/14/16, 12:01:10 AM] c★: especially if he’s the one linking me games
  139. [10/14/16, 12:01:13 AM] a♥︎: oh yeah that's true as well
  140. [10/14/16, 12:01:20 AM] a♥︎: i'd n1 him if it was a situation like the pony game
  141. [10/14/16, 12:01:26 AM] a♥︎: where my partner lead the kill
  142. [10/14/16, 12:01:38 AM] Retti: TWO: https://epicmafia.com/game/5473672 Pony lead the kill, cupcake says he's gonna get mad at her for n1ing him, so that's that. They literally dont want to n1 each other ever, proof goes on later in the game when he metaclears 100% cupcake, he parades around that shes not going to n1 him as if its matter of fact. This type of power available to you because you only follow a kill on float when its forced on you is truly just unfair. She even admits she hardly ever n1s him at 13:33, if you can't even remember the last time you did then that says your meta is honest.
  143. [10/14/16, 12:01:53 AM] Retti: gonna pull up the game real quick
  144. [10/14/16, 12:02:19 AM] a♥︎: i never once in that game said my meta was honest
  145. [10/14/16, 12:02:27 AM] a♥︎: and i didn't rely on the kill to win that game at all
  146. [10/14/16, 12:02:40 AM] c★: the pastebin sort of contradicts itself
  147. [10/14/16, 12:02:41 AM] c★: ONE: day 4 of the round, cupcake n1s him: https://epicmafia.com/game/5462527 without any reservations it appears, yet the next day he metaclears her in the next game I link for n1ing him. so yeah, I am not finding much sense in that, other than he trusts she doesn't n1 his runner alt which is still honest meta
  148. [10/14/16, 12:02:43 AM] c★: ?_?
  149. [10/14/16, 12:02:48 AM] a♥︎: i wouldn't do that because it's kind of gross imo
  150. [10/14/16, 12:03:24 AM] a♥︎: and my statement "i don't remember the last time i n1ed him" was more of like a slip honestly lol if you actually read it because it kind of implies i did n1 him
  151. [10/14/16, 12:04:08 AM] a♥︎: i was kinda shook that game by his reaction, also i don't see how him 100% meta clearing me has to do with me exactly
  152. [10/14/16, 12:04:13 AM] a♥︎: because he knows i've n1ed him
  153. [10/14/16, 12:04:22 AM] a♥︎: so i don't know why he did that
  154. [10/14/16, 12:04:44 AM] a♥︎: i also lost that game so again i don't see how the meta even really is a factor if it didn't impact the game
  155. [10/14/16, 12:05:03 AM] Retti: biggest thing for me Is honestly cal's issue in reading you
  156. [10/14/16, 12:05:15 AM] Retti: and the discrepancy between when cal trophied
  157. [10/14/16, 12:06:08 AM] c★: that’s actually not a discrepancy at all, and it definitely isn’t a variable that should cause an issue when the setups played in the respective rounds are different
  158. [10/14/16, 12:06:53 AM] c★: like at some level i could understand it being an issue the last time when i ran on basic logic but using that now is laughable considering VDLI is based on 2 PR’s and whatever they want to do
  159. [10/14/16, 12:07:21 AM] Retti: so would you say that it came down to you not having full control?
  160. [10/14/16, 12:07:37 AM] c★: full control over what exactly?
  161. [10/14/16, 12:07:58 AM] Retti: if you're saying the setup matters, vdli is usually lead by PRs
  162. [10/14/16, 12:08:18 AM] c★: correct
  163. [10/14/16, 12:08:46 AM] a♥︎: oh yeah that's actually 100% true because vdli is VERY much prs claim and they hammer
  164. [10/14/16, 12:08:55 AM] a♥︎: where basic logic no one claims d1
  165. [10/14/16, 12:09:06 AM] c★: its like
  166. [10/14/16, 12:09:10 AM] c★: if i would run on b2ns
  167. [10/14/16, 12:09:14 AM] a♥︎: i was going to say you're looking at an extremely small sample of games
  168. [10/14/16, 12:09:20 AM] a♥︎: it's like 40 games you're looking at
  169. [10/14/16, 12:09:26 AM] c★: i’d have a much easier time winning over her
  170. [10/14/16, 12:09:31 AM] c★: if i was running jan 2.0
  171. [10/14/16, 12:09:32 AM] a♥︎: i just went back to look at the first time i trophied and the time he trophined
  172. [10/14/16, 12:09:37 AM] Retti: i can skim some games, i think it'd be a pretty easy alibi if cal didn't just consistently townread you
  173. [10/14/16, 12:09:39 AM] c★: she’d have a much easier time winning over me
  174. [10/14/16, 12:09:45 AM] Retti: ./ threw for you
  175. [10/14/16, 12:10:20 AM] Retti: cause a big foundation is that you were just letting her win
  176. [10/14/16, 12:10:28 AM] c★: which is incorrect
  177. [10/14/16, 12:10:31 AM] c★: but go on
  178. [10/14/16, 12:10:48 AM] a♥︎: i mean like, the game where he was mafia
  179. [10/14/16, 12:10:50 AM] Retti: last thing i wanted to do was read mafia games but oh well, poser asked for my input so i got involved
  180. [10/14/16, 12:10:56 AM] a♥︎: and town literally lynched the pr
  181. [10/14/16, 12:11:04 AM] a♥︎: he certainly didn't seem upset that i was about to lose
  182. [10/14/16, 12:11:05 AM] a♥︎: lol
  183. [10/14/16, 12:11:07 AM] a♥︎: he was winning
  184. [10/14/16, 12:11:16 AM] c★: again would highly prefer if you could get on call cause I’m drained out
  185. [10/14/16, 12:11:42 AM] a♥︎: hold on i'll find you that game
  186. [10/14/16, 12:11:47 AM] a♥︎: and you can read calvin's reaction
  187. [10/14/16, 12:11:52 AM] a♥︎: to me losing
  188. [10/14/16, 12:11:59 AM] c★: also how many times did i incorrectly read u anna
  189. [10/14/16, 12:12:11 AM] a♥︎: i don't know
  190. [10/14/16, 12:12:15 AM] a♥︎: i didn't reread all our games
  191. [10/14/16, 12:12:16 AM] c★: cause telling me i was throwing for u when i was in the top 5
  192. [10/14/16, 12:12:20 AM] c★: is quite shocking
  193. [10/14/16, 12:12:55 AM] a♥︎: https://epicmafia.com/game/5462425
  194. [10/14/16, 12:12:57 AM] a♥︎: here it is
  195. [10/14/16, 12:12:58 AM] c★: actually i think you were lower than me in the round
  196. [10/14/16, 12:13:34 AM] a♥︎: yeah i was
  197. [10/14/16, 12:13:34 AM] c★: lol
  198. [10/14/16, 12:13:39 AM] a♥︎: i thought you were going to trophy again
  199. [10/14/16, 12:13:39 AM] Retti: if i can see that you were genuinely trying to read/lead anna and weren't just skewed towards her wincon that will probably be enough for me, I'm not a huge fan of trying to make huge accusations of mafia because honestly bias is part of the game and unavoidable
  200. [10/14/16, 12:13:41 AM] Retti: its just how you use it
  201. [10/14/16, 12:13:43 AM] a♥︎: and then i just played better
  202. [10/14/16, 12:14:09 AM] Retti: and then it comes to whether you were abusing it
  203. again my big thing is how many times you lost against her
  204. [10/14/16, 12:14:17 AM] c★: let’s see
  205. [10/14/16, 12:14:29 AM] c★: i mean that’s actually perfect hold up
  206. [10/14/16, 12:14:47 AM] c★: do you mind linking me games where i lost against her, anna linked one up there but there’s 3 games
  207. [10/14/16, 12:14:54 AM] Retti: yeah go ahead
  208. [10/14/16, 12:15:03 AM] c★: i think 2 actually
  209. [10/14/16, 12:15:05 AM] a♥︎: no the one i linked was you winning
  210. [10/14/16, 12:15:10 AM] c★: where i was pr and you were town
  211. [10/14/16, 12:15:12 AM] c★: oh
  212. [10/14/16, 12:15:19 AM] c★: can u link me games where u won over me
  213. [10/14/16, 12:15:21 AM] c★: not me winning over u
  214. [10/14/16, 12:15:39 AM] c★: yeah but there’s 2 games where i was power role and you were scum
  215. [10/14/16, 12:15:54 AM] c★: let me try to find them
  216. [10/14/16, 12:16:23 AM] a♥︎: oh this was the one i got you lynched d1
  217. [10/14/16, 12:16:24 AM] a♥︎: LOL
  218. [10/14/16, 12:16:25 AM] a♥︎: sorry
  219. [10/14/16, 12:16:26 AM] a♥︎: https://epicmafia.com/game/5459806
  220. [10/14/16, 12:16:31 AM] Retti: I'm just skimming through games because i don't feel i need to read every single line
  221. [10/14/16, 12:16:38 AM] c★: well
  222. [10/14/16, 12:16:42 AM] c★: that’s what poser did
  223. [10/14/16, 12:16:48 AM] c★: which is not feel the need to read every single line
  224. [10/14/16, 12:16:53 AM] c★: and then accused anna of ogi
  225. [10/14/16, 12:17:03 AM] c★: when there wasn’t any ogi present in any of the games she listed
  226. [10/14/16, 12:17:24 AM] c★: which is kinda shitty on her part since she’s modding but that’s alright
  227. [10/14/16, 12:18:31 AM] Retti: so far two games seem pretty clear, I'm just gonna through them and see if i spot anything that would be glaringly meta abuse, you were joking about sammie pastebin but w/e
  228. [10/14/16, 12:18:56 AM] c★: lol
  229. [10/14/16, 12:19:00 AM] a♥︎: LOL
  230. [10/14/16, 12:19:00 AM] a♥︎: yeah
  231. [10/14/16, 12:19:13 AM] a♥︎: i mean i would have continued to push him there
  232. [10/14/16, 12:19:20 AM] a♥︎: but i didn't think the town would go with me
  233. [10/14/16, 12:19:23 AM] a♥︎: because of his line
  234. [10/14/16, 12:19:35 AM] a♥︎: lad
  235. i will literally be the nastiest bitch you'll ever meet
  236. [10/14/16, 12:19:43 AM] a♥︎: but then he got lynched anyways
  237. [10/14/16, 12:19:43 AM] a♥︎: lol
  238. [10/14/16, 12:19:54 AM] c★: yeaaaa
  239. [10/14/16, 12:20:08 AM] Retti: please note i am just an advisor of sorts i will not be spending my gracious doing counter bins
  240. but ill try (hence the word try) to reason with poser
  241. [10/14/16, 12:20:24 AM] c★: I’m actually reading our games now and it looks like most of it ends up with an oracle being one of us
  242. [10/14/16, 12:20:59 AM] c★: andi don’t understand why you’re lowering yourself to just reasoning with someone who has a clear bias/agenda when she made the pastebin
  243. [10/14/16, 12:21:13 AM] Retti: i want things to be done right i guess
  244. [10/14/16, 12:21:15 AM] c★: it’s not ridiculous to assume that there’s some aura of desperation
  245. [10/14/16, 12:21:26 AM] a♥︎: i mean that's the case and point and i think i might actually just talk to edark and nathan again
  246. [10/14/16, 12:21:42 AM] a♥︎: because it's kind of ridiculous they're even allowing her to make pastebins when arcbell's in 4th
  247. [10/14/16, 12:21:50 AM] c★: yes if you think we’re innocent i would like for you to not just reason with her since she’s blatantly reaching here
  248. [10/14/16, 12:21:51 AM] a♥︎: that'd be like me doing it when calvin's in 4th
  249. [10/14/16, 12:21:58 AM] c★: like
  250. [10/14/16, 12:22:00 AM] c★: its not even credible
  251. [10/14/16, 12:22:29 AM] Retti: so far most games are clean lol
  252. [10/14/16, 12:22:55 AM] Retti: fuck me i have to look at prayag too in this regard
  253. [10/14/16, 12:22:57 AM] c★: she’s gonna flip at you if you tell that to her
  254. [10/14/16, 12:23:15 AM] Retti: its whatever really
  255. [10/14/16, 12:23:23 AM] c★: YO HOW DO YOU ACCUSE THE PERSON IN GOLD OF THROWING
  256. [10/14/16, 12:23:31 AM] c★: I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT LIKE WHAT THE FUCK
  257. [10/14/16, 12:23:49 AM] a♥︎: do i have to make a counterbin?
  258. [10/14/16, 12:23:58 AM] c★: idts
  259. [10/14/16, 12:24:01 AM] a♥︎: and do we have to go over the ogi?
  260. [10/14/16, 12:24:01 AM] c★: just link this convo
  261. [10/14/16, 12:24:07 AM] Retti: yeah ill just link this convo probably
  262. [10/14/16, 12:24:11 AM] Retti: don't waste character space
  263. [10/14/16, 12:24:28 AM] a♥︎: because legit the ogi is taken SO FAR out of context
  264. [10/14/16, 12:24:41 AM] c★: seriously like how do you guys even allow this
  265. [10/14/16, 12:25:28 AM] Retti: you have to understand that poser's bin without looking into it from a statistical standpoint and what she centered out made it favored towards meta abuse
  266. [10/14/16, 12:25:29 AM] Retti: but
  267. [10/14/16, 12:25:40 AM] Retti: that's usually the case with any stupid bin, just singling out instances
  268. [10/14/16, 12:25:47 AM] c★: but she’s blatantly lying
  269. [10/14/16, 12:25:50 AM] c★: like
  270. [10/14/16, 12:25:52 AM] c★: straight up
  271. [10/14/16, 12:27:43 AM] c★: https://epicmafia.com/game/5463223 11:31 OGI uses someones run to sway the vote
  272.  
  273. 11:31 cupcake
  274. and you say you're running
  275.  
  276. 1) ash1 kept mentioning that they were running and that they didn’t want to be hammered, 2) didn’t use his run “and you say you’re running” is the same as saying “and you call yourself a good player”
  277. [10/14/16, 12:27:44 AM] c★: like
  278. [10/14/16, 12:27:50 AM] c★: On 10/14/16, at 12:25 AM, Retti wrote:
  279. > you have to understand that poser's bin without looking into it from a statistical standpoint and what she centered out made it favored towards meta abuse
  280. [10/14/16, 12:28:12 AM] c★: how am i supposed to understand posers bin when there’s straight up lies in there
  281. [10/14/16, 12:28:21 AM] c★: it’s an indication that she hasn’t read her games
  282. [10/14/16, 12:28:39 AM] Retti: k so even though I'm supposed to be an aggressor
  283. if you wanna do a counter, compare-contrast games you both won/lost in your alignments
  284. [10/14/16, 12:29:13 AM] Retti: I'm just looking at when you're separate alignments more
  285. [10/14/16, 12:29:30 AM] Retti: and the consistency between how well you're reading or not reading each other
  286. [10/14/16, 12:30:25 AM] c★: idgi
  287. [10/14/16, 12:30:29 AM] c★: should i link this convo or make a bin
  288. [10/14/16, 12:31:02 AM] Retti: you can just link this convo
  289. i think its pointless to ask you 'why do you scumread her here or not townread her here' so i wont, I'm just looking at the consistencies right now
  290. [10/14/16, 12:31:15 AM] c★: ite
  291. [10/14/16, 12:32:44 AM] Retti: k so
  292. [10/14/16, 12:32:51 AM] Retti: I really really do not wanna glance all your games
  293. [10/14/16, 12:33:05 AM] Retti: so my points made stand and I think if you can convince mods on them, then it'd be a decent defense
  294. [10/14/16, 12:33:10 AM] Retti: and I don't want this to drag out like
  295. [10/14/16, 12:33:28 AM] Retti: you both have lives and so do I, certainly don't want to spend my time trying to nail a possible cheater lol
  296. [10/14/16, 12:34:01 AM] c★: alright so I’m just going to link this convo then since you’ve advised me not to make a counter-bin
  297. [10/14/16, 12:34:32 AM] Retti: yeah that's fine, just leave some closing arguments or whatever
  298. [10/14/16, 12:35:14 AM] c★: erm
  299. [10/14/16, 12:39:10 AM] c★: I think retti can see for the most part that this run is 100% clean and even if he isn’t outwardly saying it i’m sure if he read through more games that probably would be more confirmation on his stance, poser’s bin is ridiculously flawed, each and every game can probably be picked apart since she’s really trying her best to reach with what she’s linking in it and grasping at straws to take things out of context. Good luck.
  300. [10/14/16, 12:39:31 AM] Retti: I'm gonna tryhard and read through them
  301. [10/14/16, 12:39:38 AM] Retti: I guess I'm involved after all
  302. [10/14/16, 12:39:46 AM] Retti: if I have more to ask I will
  303. [10/14/16, 12:40:17 AM] c★: do me a favor and read through them all tonight i don’t think i’ll have the time or patience to let this drag on for another day
  304. [10/14/16, 12:40:29 AM] Retti: i don't sleep until 8 am in the morning i got u
  305. [10/14/16, 12:40:32 AM] c★: thx fam
  306. [10/14/16, 12:41:34 AM] a♥︎: i'm sorry retti i don't mean to be delayed i was trying to talk to pingu about this as well
  307. [10/14/16, 12:41:42 AM] Retti: its np
  308. [10/14/16, 12:41:53 AM] Retti: i just wanna make sure things are done right
  309. [10/14/16, 12:42:05 AM] Retti: and poser asked me for my opinion so that too
  310. [10/14/16, 12:42:16 AM] c★: yes dude pull a skippy95
  311. [10/14/16, 12:42:25 AM] Retti: i think i was wrong on him though
  312. [10/14/16, 12:42:31 AM] c★: you seriously were
  313. [10/14/16, 12:42:43 AM] Retti: he never played again after he won that trophy
  314. [10/14/16, 12:42:47 AM] Retti: so i gave him everything he wanted
  315. [10/14/16, 12:42:56 AM] c★: i think he got a life
  316.  
  317.  
  318. tl;dr : Run is 100% clean.
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