FC Meeting

12:06 PM - FlatPancake: Gonna take this time to go over training and se eif ther's anything that needs to be worked out.
12:06 PM - FlatPancake: Gimme a sec to invite people.
12:06 PM - Somedude: Ok
12:06 PM - sockmonkey70™ entered chat.
12:07 PM - TankNut entered chat.
12:07 PM - TankNut: Ho
12:07 PM - FlatPancake: There are surprisingly less than I expected to be online.
12:07 PM - sockmonkey70™: Hallo
12:08 PM - sockmonkey70™: who are you looking for?
12:08 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan entered chat.
12:08 PM - FlatPancake: Just all FC who are online.
12:08 PM - sockmonkey70™: land is online
12:08 PM - FlatPancake: Go over recruit training, see if there's anything that needs to be said.
12:08 PM - FlatPancake: I sent him an invite.
12:08 PM - Abni entered chat.
12:08 PM - RWxYoyo entered chat.
12:08 PM - FlatPancake: Guess I'll get HC in here, too.
12:09 PM - RWxYoyo: whats the problem pete
12:09 PM - TRICKLE DOWN entered chat.
12:09 PM - FlatPancake: Nothing, just wanna go through training and make sure everyone's fine with recruits.
12:09 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: yo
12:09 PM - FlatPancake: See if ther's any conflicts now about who wants who.
12:10 PM - FlatPancake: There should at least be one FC from each squad here.
12:10 PM - FlatPancake: So, simply put, is everything fine? No questions about recruit induction?
12:11 PM - FlatPancake: No conflicts with who wants who?
12:11 PM - TankNut: I don't think so.
12:11 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Hold on
12:11 PM - Somedude: Doesnt really look like it from the training tracker. At least for who JURY wants.
12:11 PM - RWxSpartan5150 entered chat.
12:11 PM - Somedude: one recruit has conflicting FC interest. DUTY and VICE
12:12 PM - Somedude: I take that back, two. Whoops
12:13 PM - FlatPancake: Right, so, I see two squads after Pepsi, and wester.
12:14 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: As of right now, my 01's voted, and UNION isn't interested Wester anymore.
12:14 PM - FlatPancake: Well, it's DUTY and VICE.
12:14 PM - TankNut: Err, digits? Trying to find the thread.
12:14 PM - FlatPancake: http://taconbanana.com/index.php/topic/24945-recruit-interest-and-training-tracker-september-28th-october-12-2015/
12:15 PM - FlatPancake: DUTY also is interested in five others, is there any reason they can't let VICE take them? Drew and Snapshot aren't on, so I can't grab their opinions.
12:16 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Ah, yes, well 22wester had requested UNION. Which is why I was backing UNION out of it.
12:16 PM - TankNut: Well, honestly I wasn't aware of the other FC of VICE being interested in those two. At least I wasn't online when they discussed it.
12:18 PM - FlatPancake: Hm, well. I'm waiting on Chico and Kestrel to sa something.
12:19 PM - SgtChico: could do with more units, our count is very low.
12:19 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Hi
12:19 PM - FlatPancake: Fair enough, but like I said, you've posted interest in seven different units, VICE only in three. Can you let VICE take the three that they want?
12:19 PM - FlatPancake: No one's fighting you for the other five.
12:20 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: That's fine by me, it's merely FC interest.
12:20 PM - SgtChico: i think that's okay
12:20 PM - FlatPancake: Alright, good. There doesn't appear to be any FC conflicts besides those two units, since UNION pulled out their interest.
12:20 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: I haven't had recruits come to me to try and join DUTY, I believe it's dependent on where they choose they want to go.
12:21 PM - FlatPancake: True. If the recruit doesn't want into VICE and into any other squad, let them do so.
12:21 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Will do.
12:21 PM - TankNut: Oh yeah, I'm not planning on forcing anyone into VICE.
12:21 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: We induct tomorrow, right?
12:21 PM - FlatPancake: Just don't want FC sniping units from each other. Just be sure to let FC know if some recruit wants into your squad and not the one interested in.
12:21 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah, starting tomorrow, feel free to start inducting.
12:21 PM - FlatPancake: As I said in the post, if you have time, train them quickly in whatever area they need work.
12:22 PM - FlatPancake: You can push the training off to your units if you'd like, it's your squad, but this was just something I figured would be easier on you guys.
12:22 PM - FlatPancake: There's a lot of recruits whose interests are unaccounted for, so if by Wednesday nothing has been said, you guys may have to start probing them to get them to start taking initiative.
12:22 PM - FlatPancake: Phat Monstah, Fez, Shyness, Mongoose, Xeanos, and some others are all good recruits, so we wouldn't want to lose them to the 2 week cut off.
12:24 PM - Snapshot entered chat.
12:24 PM - FlatPancake: We're just going over recruits, Snapshot.
12:24 PM - Snapshot: Ah, alright
12:25 PM - FlatPancake: As far as training goes, is there any hiccups or things needing addressing?
12:25 PM - FlatPancake: This week we've been getting a lot about the whole 'no more OOC' and 'more RP!' thing. I don't think all of its really fair or reasonable, but certainly some aspects of their complaints I'm willing to field and take into account.
12:26 PM - Abni is now playing Garry's Mod. Click here to join.
12:27 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Well
12:28 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: I'd say it got somewhat ridiculous with some of the OOC restrictions put on units.
12:28 PM - Snapshot: Where people putting restrictions on them?
12:28 PM - FlatPancake: What restrictions?
12:28 PM - Snapshot: I had a recruit come up to me asking if they were allowed to deploy in the city without observation.
12:28 PM - FlatPancake: That just seems like new player confusion.
12:28 PM - Snapshot: I don't know if someone else told them that, but I made sure they knew they could deploy freely.
12:28 PM - Snapshot: As long as it wasn't to S-12
12:29 PM - FlatPancake: Right.
12:29 PM - FlatPancake: The only real restriction on recruits is no pistols (which isn't in their box, can only be given by other units).
12:29 PM - FlatPancake: That and any other general restrictions, like don't go into D2 without a partner or team, try and partner before patrolling, etc.
12:34 PM - Drewerth entered chat.
12:34 PM - Drewerth: Hello.
12:34 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah.
12:34 PM - TankNut: Hello
12:35 PM - FlatPancake: FC is being kinda terrible here at reading chat.
12:35 PM - Drewerth: I just got back from an hour long afk
12:35 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: sorry for wanting to rp
12:35 PM - Somedude: ^
12:35 PM - FlatPancake: Literally pull up the overlay inbetween /mes.
12:35 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Yeah
12:35 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: We're in RP though
12:35 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: What questions do you need answered?
12:36 PM - FlatPancake: Are there any questions about this week's recruits? Are there any issues with keeping the same format for training next batch? Are there any changes you guys need done? S2RP and maybe some other questions need to be included in the trainings.
12:36 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: As far as leftover recruits go, I will try and bring them into DUTY unless they want to go to another squad of preference.
12:36 PM - FlatPancake: I know large training sessions are convenient for you to get through the recruits quickly, but be sure to remind them that they /can/ do trainings individually with your units.
12:37 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: This week with recruits, I certaintly have no real questions for. I'd suggest creating a different way of training the recruits so we don't have an OOC bitchfest like earlier.
12:37 PM - FlatPancake: Well, you guys are the ones who are doing the training, so I need your input and your ideas.
12:37 PM - FlatPancake: I've tried to give you guys enough autonomy to set it up yourselves.
12:38 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: I think the trainings themselves just need to be shorter.
12:38 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Literally, make a guide for recruits and say upon their time of being inducted as a recruit they are sent off for a week or so to go through actual "training" which would be the equivalent of reading the thread on the forums. Then they can focus on roleplaying with other units, and if wanting training they can seek it out.
12:38 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: I know a lot of recruits would rather just RP passively than train, and I can't fault them for that. A guide like Kestrel is talking about might be nice.
12:38 PM - Somedude: I like kestrel's idea if I'm reading it correctly.
12:40 PM - FlatPancake: I mean, we could write up a general recruit training guide similar to how we always RP there being some nondescript training guide, lol.
12:41 PM - SgtChico: gotta go boys my moms gettin baptized hoh
12:41 PM - SgtChico left chat.
12:41 PM - Drewerth: wot
12:41 PM - FlatPancake: Uh, sure. lol.
12:42 PM - TankNut: What
12:42 PM - FlatPancake: Here's the thing about training, though.
12:42 PM - FlatPancake: Expecting recruits to read that shit is like expecting them to read the SOP.
12:42 PM - FlatPancake: Half of them will say 'oh I know this shit' and ignore it.
12:42 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Yeah, but the great thing is if they fuck up it's their problem. Not ours.
12:42 PM - Snapshot: ^
12:43 PM - FlatPancake: Fair enough, but then it's on you guys to not coddle them and to punish them for that.
12:43 PM - Snapshot: Yep
12:43 PM - FlatPancake: If you guys want, we can write up a training guide this week, you guys can provide input.
12:43 PM - FlatPancake: Then we can put it up for the next batch.
12:43 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: That sounds like a plan.
12:43 PM - FlatPancake: Which I will also mention that yes, recruit apps will be opening tomorrow.
12:43 PM - FlatPancake: So if someone has asked you about rejoining the CCA, if they haven't been on in 3mo, tell them to reapply.
12:44 PM - FlatPancake: That's the general rule. They can talk to me or come up with their own reason for being dismissed.
12:44 PM - FlatPancake: Usually medical leave due to an injury is the route people take.
12:44 PM - FlatPancake: As far as what the future trainings will include, we'll keep that as a topic inside the thread I'll make for this guide.
12:44 PM - FlatPancake: Because something else we need to talk about is something HC has been looking at over the past week.
12:45 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Also, what can we do about units that are abusing their flags and not listening to FC? I've informed admins that were online that a old DUTY unit only flags up to partake in S2K. I told the unit to flag down or have their flags removed, as they're not rostered, and were inactive for X amount of days.
12:45 PM - FlatPancake: Like, unless you can get Hoplite or a dev with MySql to remove them when they're offline.
12:45 PM - FlatPancake: There is literally nothing we can do because CC is shit and Dave doesn't give out MySql.
12:45 PM - FlatPancake: I've complained about that since January and there's no headway on that.
12:46 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Hoplite cannot be messaged on the forums
12:46 PM - FlatPancake: If you see a unit online that shouldn't be, just get their flags removed and their inventories stripped.
12:46 PM - Drewerth: CC should have a function to remove chars like that
12:46 PM - Snapshot: It'd be pretty straightforward to do.
12:46 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: That's the thing. I tried to have that happen and no admins responded.
12:46 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: There were 3 online
12:46 PM - Snapshot: But unfortunately myself and Drewerth can't do it since they overhauled the menu code
12:49 PM - Drewerth: oh yeah they did
12:49 PM - Drewerth: i mean
12:49 PM - Drewerth: theoretically we can make a new section that uh
12:50 PM - Drewerth: just creates a new window
12:50 PM - Drewerth: but idk
12:50 PM - TankNut: Even just adding console commands would work tbh.
12:50 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah, but console commands are hard to read unless it gives a full readout.
12:50 PM - FlatPancake: LIke, the in-game menu equally sucks.
12:51 PM - TankNut: With the proper documentation console commands would work great. Especially considering how broken some of the admin interfaces area.
12:51 PM - TankNut: Are.
12:51 PM - FlatPancake: I mean, if you three (or two, whichever ones want to get involved) can figure something out, it'd help the CCA a lot, because right now, there's really nothing we can do with the current admin menu and current Dave.
12:51 PM - Snapshot: Oh I was just going to slap a strip rank functionality in the view roster portion.
12:51 PM - FlatPancake: Devs, too, don't wanna spend time doing that shit when they have other things to do.
12:52 PM - TankNut: I mean, it'd basically be something like
12:52 PM - FlatPancake: Limit it to HC or something.
12:52 PM - FlatPancake: So we don't get malicious FC doing dumb shit.
12:52 PM - TankNut: rpa_removecombineflags <full name>
12:52 PM - TankNut: rpa_removecharacterflags <full name>
12:52 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah, but then what about characters with matching names?
12:52 PM - Snapshot: Which is why you do it through the roster instead.
12:52 PM - FlatPancake: Anyways, look, that's all a good discussion to hold another day 'cause it is important.
12:53 PM - FlatPancake: But there's other news that we need to go over involving the entire CCA.
12:53 PM - Drewerth: Hoh boy
12:53 PM - FlatPancake: So, if you haven't been leaked about it yet, there are going to be /strict/ weapon reformations coming forward.
12:53 PM - TankNut: You'd have the same issue with the roster. The best way to identify characters would be through their assigned GID's but good luck getting those properly sorted,
12:53 PM - FlatPancake: HC has been talking about it the past week, including The End, LU, and some others.
12:54 PM - Drewerth: Ah.
12:54 PM - FlatPancake: Simply put, the entire CCA (and the community as a whole, but the CCA is at least something we can manage) has been runing into issues with units constantly stashing contraband, guns they shouldn't have, carrying six guns in their inventory unstashed, switching guns as they see fit, etc. etc.
12:55 PM - TankNut: Oh yes, good times.
12:55 PM - FlatPancake: There are efforts being made (hopefully, admins have talked about it and hopefully it's getting done) to change the stash system on top of this, but that's an admin thing.
12:55 PM - Drewerth: Oh?
12:55 PM - FlatPancake: No word on that yet as far as how that'll go, could be a second inventory weight, could be a hard coded item limit. Nothing confirmed, just know something is probably to come.
12:56 PM - FlatPancake: Since Dave even admits that guns are getting a little absurd.
12:57 PM - FlatPancake: The weapon reformation for the CCA will see to it that all units are limited to a primary weapon and a secondary weapon.
12:57 PM - TankNut: http://i.imgur.com/C3XWycC.png In-case someone has been living under a rock and isn't 100% sure what kind of stuff we're talking about.
12:57 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Alright, and what about specializations like deployments and such?
12:57 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Are we going back to using mp7s on deployments?
12:57 PM - Abni: No
12:57 PM - FlatPancake: Simply put, socio FC and units will all be carrying the same equipment.
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: A Glock 17 as your secondary, and then your choice for a primary: a Sig SG 552, an Ithaca 37, or an MP7 (+Aimpoint available).
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: That's for all ranks, 04 to 01.
12:58 PM - Abni: Of course, mods will be available at rank 02+
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: Well, that's still undecided.
12:58 PM - Abni: But not for the Ithaca
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: Weapon mods is part of the problem.
12:58 PM - Abni: Well yeah
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: But chances are, 04s and 03s can use the AImpoint fine.
12:58 PM - FlatPancake: There won't be weapon mods (which is why I ddin't include it in the PM, abni).
12:59 PM - Abni: Well
12:59 PM - Abni: Aimpoint techincally is a mod
12:59 PM - Abni: Or a bunch of them
12:59 PM - FlatPancake: Well, keep that in the PM and we can work those details out.
12:59 PM - FlatPancake: Anyways.
12:59 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Alright, and for long rifles? Are we still doing a marksman certification?
12:59 PM - Abni: I'd say yes
12:59 PM - FlatPancake: We're going to officialize the whole marksman designation thing.
12:59 PM - Drewerth: Fancy
12:59 PM - FlatPancake: Despicable was supposed to start a program but he didn't, and DUTY's already doing it.
1:00 PM - FlatPancake: You get to give three units in your entire squad the designation.
1:00 PM - Abni: I think it was 3 per squad?
1:00 PM - FlatPancake: This is going to be a privilege.
1:00 PM - Abni: Yeah
1:00 PM - FlatPancake: Any unit, any rank, but it's your choice as FC.
1:00 PM - Abni: But that means
1:00 PM - Abni: That as FC
1:00 PM - Abni: You wont be able to use snipers yourselves
1:00 PM - FlatPancake: Right. You choose who you want, probably people who are most active, and then call them to use it when necessary.
1:01 PM - FlatPancake: Full details are still being worked out, but they probably will not be patrolling with the M24 or any DMRs as their primary.
1:01 PM - Abni: And when they have that loadout equipped
1:01 PM - FlatPancake: Instead they'll simply have their secondary, an MP7 PDW, and that's it.
1:01 PM - Abni: They will be able-.. yeah
1:01 PM - FlatPancake: This is strictly for guns. Stun batons, grenades, breaching charges, zipties, etc. won't be regulated (similar to how they are now).
1:01 PM - FlatPancake: If you don't trust a unit wtih grenades 'cause they have shit strength, then tell them that. lol.
1:02 PM - Snapshot: So are we dumping shotguns and ARs?
1:02 PM - FlatPancake: Like I said, you -choose- your primary.
1:02 PM - Abni: No
1:02 PM - FlatPancake: You either choose the SG552, the Ithaca, or an MP7.
1:02 PM - Abni: The AR is still up for debate, btw
1:02 PM - FlatPancake: Chances are, since it's still being worked out, but you -won't- be carrying all three at once.
1:02 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Ithaca? Does that breach doors?
1:02 PM - FlatPancake: All shotguns should breach doors.
1:02 PM - TankNut: It's a shotgun, so yes.
1:02 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Well, SPAS doesn't or didn't when I had it
1:02 PM - Snapshot: Man, I'm going to miss my mossberg
1:03 PM - FlatPancake: For IC purposes, we may add beanbag shotguns so you can RP loading your Ithaca with beanbag rounds.
1:03 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Yeah, rip mossberg. I'd rather have that one.
1:03 PM - FlatPancake: We were going to use the mossberg, but the animations are that hipfiring shit, so we decided against it.
1:03 PM - Abni: Mossberg has garbage animations tho
1:03 PM - FlatPancake: If you can get a dev to give it rifle animations like the Ithaca, we could use it.
1:03 PM - Snapshot: Well, time to throw away my dragonsbreath.
1:03 PM - TankNut: Anyways, how will this apply to the other squads? Or stashing of 'found' weapons?
1:03 PM - FlatPancake: "other squads"?
1:03 PM - FlatPancake: You mean SID, SWORD, elites?
1:03 PM - TankNut: Yes.
1:04 PM - Abni: Well, SWORD and the rest of the "special" squads have their own rules set
1:04 PM - FlatPancake: Right.
1:04 PM - Abni: But they too won't be walking armouries any longer
1:04 PM - FlatPancake: The Elites are going to have theirown loadout.
1:04 PM - Abni: So don't worry
1:04 PM - FlatPancake: It'll still be limited to a very small number.
1:04 PM - Abni: Also
1:04 PM - Abni: Speak up now if you're against the Glock 17
1:04 PM - FlatPancake: Simply put, SID will be getting basically just silenced versions of socio (Glock silenced, MP7 silenced) and SWORD will be getting the Specops.
1:04 PM - Abni: Which I am
1:04 PM - Abni: Because fuck the Glock 17
1:05 PM - Snapshot: While I'm not trying to look at things from an S2K perspective, I can tell this is going to lead to squad wipes.
1:05 PM - Somedude: No glock 17 please
1:05 PM - TankNut: I am against the Glock 17, go with the USP.
1:05 PM - Somedude: Personally i like the SOCOM
1:05 PM - Snapshot: Does FC need to ditch their .357s?
1:05 PM - Abni: Yes
1:05 PM - Abni: No more revolvers
1:05 PM - Abni: What I had in mind really
1:05 PM - Abni: Was units and FC choosing their own sidearms
1:05 PM - Abni: But nothing ridiculous like revolvers or Deagles
1:05 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I personally, don't care what sidearms FC carries.
1:05 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: I'd rather have a choice between the glock and hk
1:06 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: For units, that is.
1:06 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Glocks, from an IC perspective are simple, millions of em were made and are used in a shit ton of police departments.
1:06 PM - Abni: Yes but
1:06 PM - RWxSpartan5150: The SOCOM has almost double the moving parts of a glock 17
1:06 PM - RWxSpartan5150: and when you need to supply something en masse.
1:06 PM - RWxSpartan5150: It makes sense to provide something easy to maintain.
1:06 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: True
1:06 PM - Abni: True, but fuck the Glock 17
1:06 PM - Abni: Give them something else please
1:06 PM - TankNut: ^
1:07 PM - Abni: USP, SOCOM, anything
1:07 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: I'd prefer removing all these different versions of rifles, but instead buffing their damage output so we're still on keypoint when s2k engagement do come into play (Which is the big reason behind have the Squad AR rifle)
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: the USP match is ap ile of shit.
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: It was literally only good in rainbow six three.
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: and that was it.
1:07 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: If we limit all units of socio to Mp7s (AImpoint) and have their damage output increased a tad to where we're not completely unbalanced would remove the need of "choose your primary"
1:07 PM - Abni: We can have it buffed
1:07 PM - Abni: ...maybe
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Damage buffs
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: won't happen.
1:07 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I've been inquiring for weeks about it
1:07 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: and it also would allow for it to be re-equipped from the ammo cache if lost
1:08 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: instead of having to bug admins to spawn rifles that ICly the population of the CCA probably wouldn't use.
1:08 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: As far as glocks go, I'm with Abni. They're shit, and I hate them.
1:08 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: I don't have a replacement on mind though.
1:08 PM - Snapshot: Like I said
1:09 PM - Abni: Like, you most likely wont be using your sidearms in actual S2K, but only for RP purposes
1:09 PM - Abni: But still
1:09 PM - Abni: Fuck the Glock
1:09 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I'm not really gonna move on the Glocks TBH.
1:09 PM - Abni: Fuck you Spartan
1:09 PM - RWxSpartan5150: There isn't a single IC reason against using them.
1:09 PM - Abni: Nothing I say matters to you anymore
1:09 PM - RWxSpartan5150: and since no one really uses the sidearms in S2K
1:09 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Is this a conversation you want to have here?
1:10 PM - Abni: Playing League atm
1:10 PM - Abni: So not really
1:10 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Frankly, I don't give a shit about the sidearms, but standard for the flag will be GLOCKs as they already are.
1:10 PM - RWxSpartan5150: FC as far as I am concerned can use whatever sidearm they want for flavor~
1:10 PM - Somedude: Does that include revolvers, spartan?
1:10 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Since every unit 04 up is going to have an MP7, the sidearm is really just there for RP purposes.
1:10 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Sweet, so I can keep the ppk.
1:10 PM - RWxSpartan5150: 1:10 PM - RWxSpartan5150: FC as far as I am concerned can use whatever sidearm they want for flavor~
1:11 PM - Somedude: Alright then
1:11 PM - Snapshot: Whew
1:11 PM - RWxSpartan5150: by and large, ground units should be using the GLOCK and if a squad is going to addopt the HK it won't be the suppressed nonsense.
1:11 PM - FlatPancake: Right, suppressors are not going to be a thing, guys.
1:11 PM - FlatPancake: SID gets them, that's it.
1:11 PM - Snapshot: Well
1:11 PM - FlatPancake: Modifications, as I said, are mostly going to be done away for the sake of esae.
1:11 PM - Snapshot: rip most variants of the MP7
1:12 PM - FlatPancake: They're not that much different anyways. MP7 PDW vs. Aimpoint is still being decided upon, whether all units will just get the Aimpoint because it's slightly better.
1:12 PM - FlatPancake: But as far as sidearms go, yes, all socio units will get a glock. Seems we'll give FC some lenience.
1:12 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I"m fine with the aimpoint being  by and large
1:12 PM - FlatPancake: But please, no Deagles and dumb shit.
1:12 PM - RWxSpartan5150: some folks have sidearms
1:12 PM - RWxSpartan5150: given IC from 05150
1:12 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I'm not going to cuck those people
1:12 PM - FlatPancake: Like, a SOCOM, a P99 (if you get auths, I think it's not public), a PPK, whatever, I guess.
1:13 PM - FlatPancake: Just don't start drawing out .357s, .44s, Lugers, etc.
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: also, please never RP the desert eagle as it being in .50AE
1:13 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Why are deagles even becoming apart of this topic?
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: because two people have them
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: and someones salty about it
1:13 PM - FlatPancake: Because fucking natalie Dawn has one as do some others.
1:13 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: It was decided upon months ago that it would never be near a CCA unit
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Mmhmm.
1:13 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: If you all could just remove them from people that aren't supposed to have them
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I don't know why Dawn has one.
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: the only people I know have them
1:13 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: That means Muffin and Floki
1:13 PM - RWxSpartan5150: are the people who paid for it.
1:14 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: No one paid for it besides me lol
1:14 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Ah, interesting.
1:14 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Well that changes that.
1:14 PM - FlatPancake: Didn't you say Muffin and Flower donated for it with you.
1:14 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Personally, I don't care much about sidearms.
1:14 PM - FlatPancake: Or were hey just authorized.
1:14 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: I don't have it on my CCA, because of what we decided upon in Feedback.
1:14 PM - Abni: I authed Dawn to carry a sidearm
1:14 PM - Abni: Not a Deagle tho
1:14 PM - Snapshot: So, another question
1:14 PM - FlatPancake: Anyways, yeah, fuck sidearms, we'll work it out and you'll be briefed when this goes public.
1:14 PM - RWxSpartan5150: as far as donation sidearms go, I don't care anymore as long as it isn't retarded.
1:14 PM - Snapshot: How are rank restrictions going to work?
1:14 PM - FlatPancake: By and large, rank restrictions are nonexistent since we won't be doing modifications.
1:14 PM - FlatPancake: DMRs and Sniper Rifles are the only things being scrutinized.
1:15 PM - Snapshot: So 04-01 gets any of the three primaries and a sidearm?
1:15 PM - FlatPancake: As I stated earlier, all squads will get to choose three people with the designation and they'll get specific load outs.
1:15 PM - FlatPancake: Yes.
1:15 PM - FlatPancake: That means any unit can use an AR or Shotgun as their primary if they choose to, even 04s.
1:15 PM - FlatPancake: For S2K, the MP7 > AR for the most part given unit's shitty stats.
1:15 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I'd prefer that we not be rediculous hardasses about DMR's and Rifles. We also don't want to see fucking them always deployed in hands.
1:15 PM - FlatPancake: For S2RP and IC purposes, a 5.56 AR is going to be better than a 4.6 SMG.
1:15 PM - Snapshot: What's the AR in this case, the SIG?
1:16 PM - FlatPancake: The SG552 si the likely choice, yes.
1:16 PM - FlatPancake: Since it's default is public and we won't be using variants.
1:16 PM - Snapshot: Sort of unrelated, but I'd like to make another point
1:16 PM - Snapshot: I think we should start trying to push for more discrete citizen re-education instead of just doing shit like mowing people down out in the open.
1:16 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: That's why I'm saying we as FC and HC put together a request for the Mp7 to be buffed so we can remove all these other rifles we probably shouldn't have. If we can be solely dependent on having the Ithaca/Mp7/Sidearm - That'd be easy to work with and monitor.
1:17 PM - FlatPancake: We can start including that in the training guide and you can start beefing your units to do it if it's an issue.
1:17 PM - FlatPancake: That's how I always felt about it, but it's your squad.
1:17 PM - FlatPancake: I'm trying to let you guys handle those matters yourself.
1:17 PM - RWxSpartan5150: Dave won't buff the MP7
1:17 PM - RWxSpartan5150: I've been asking about it for weeks.
1:18 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah, I started this reformation with the intent of no buffs, 'cause we can't rely on that shit.
1:18 PM - Snapshot: Like I said, expect to see deployments wiped a lot more often. It's just something we'll have to deal with when they get shot at.
1:18 PM - Snapshot: Since S2K will be inevitable.
1:18 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Well, we're always going to stomped on easily by resistance members' rifles.
1:18 PM - FlatPancake: Look, if S2K happens, ti happens, but as Socio FC, you all need to start pushing for more S2RP when available.
1:18 PM - FlatPancake: That's why the AR will be available, because a 5.56 compact AR is going to be more viable than a 20rd 4.6 MP7.
1:19 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: Literally, it takes four mags from a Mp7 to kill someone and it takes seven shots from a rifle like the Mk17 to kill a unit.
1:19 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan: It's ridic.
1:19 PM - FlatPancake: The long range engagements will favor the AR for IC reasons.
1:19 PM - FlatPancake: There's really no going against Dave and the fact that most CCA weapons are going to be garbage compared to resistance ones.
1:19 PM - RWxKestrelBirdMan is now playing Garry's Mod. Click here to join.
1:19 PM - Snapshot: I will point out one other thing
1:20 PM - Snapshot: If it becomes too easy to kill CCA, the resistance will likely start complaining about how weak our weapons are as well
1:20 PM - TankNut: To be honest, I think they'll start complaining about an increase of COTA deployments earlier than they'll start complaining about the weakness of the CCA
1:20 PM - FlatPancake: lol.
1:21 PM - Snapshot: Regardless though, I think we'll see very few MP7s
1:21 PM - Snapshot: Most units will gravitate to the SIG or the Ithica
1:21 PM - FlatPancake: We'll see. I know units like the shotguns, so we may see a lot of that.
1:21 PM - FlatPancake: As I said, ARs suffer from the "balance" patch that made most of them have fairly high recoil compared to SMGs.
1:21 PM - FlatPancake: SG552 is the only one available to us that's least affected.
1:22 PM - FlatPancake: So for IC and OOC reasons, the SG552 is the likely AR to be chosen for all socio.
1:22 PM - Snapshot: Which will be complete and utter shit when it comes to deployments since they won't be able to enage at any distance other than right in their face.
1:22 PM - TankNut: Shotguns tend to do very well during most situations. Seeing as the majority of actual fights are done in close quarters with almost exclusively peeking.
1:22 PM - FlatPancake: As I said, the main point of this reformation is to add more uniformity to the units loadout, and start wiping inventories of everything they shouldn't have.
1:23 PM - FlatPancake: You get one primary and one secondary. You don't get to keep multiple primaries or stash them for later use.
1:23 PM - FlatPancake: You want the Ithaca? You get the Ithaca. You want the MP7? You destroy or have an admin destroy the Ithaca, then get the MP7.
1:23 PM - Somedude: That seems like a lot of work for admins.
1:23 PM - FlatPancake: For HC, FC, and admins, this will make things a lot smoother for making sure units are stashing shit like AK12s and whtaever.
1:23 PM - Snapshot: It'd be nice to get the weapon box updated.
1:23 PM - FlatPancake: Admins are always happy to wipe inventories.
1:23 PM - Snapshot: So we don't have to be reliant on Admins spawning stuf
1:23 PM - Snapshot: *stuff
1:24 PM - FlatPancake: Yeah, a weapon box update will probably be necessary, so I'll try and see if we can get something done there.
1:24 PM - FlatPancake: We need to work out all the load outs first though.
1:24 PM - FlatPancake: It's important that FC is all on board and understanding of this before it goes through, which could be anytime (get items finalized, get IC reasons written, get devs to update weapon box).
1:24 PM - FlatPancake: 'cause you guys are going to get gimped with your load outs by this.
1:24 PM - FlatPancake: No more varied ARs, no more sniper rifles or DMRs.
1:24 PM - Snapshot: Yeah, I have to delete everything I have but my .357
1:25 PM - FlatPancake: idk what we'll do about units and FC minging with machetes and knives and shit right now.
1:25 PM - Snapshot: Anything other than a knife is admittedly stupid.
1:25 PM - Snapshot: That being said they really don't serve a purpose.
1:25 PM - FlatPancake: Melee weapons are almost there exclusively to minge or knock people out.
1:25 PM - FlatPancake: Or be Dave and fuck up units because shootign in close quarters with a strafing target is hard.
1:26 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Knifes are always better IC than anything
1:26 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: No need for a script really
1:27 PM - FlatPancake: I don't know if you want to go blabbering about it to your units just yet.
1:27 PM - FlatPancake: But yeah, this will be done for IC and OOC purposes, and should provide enough standardization and uniformity that those weapon systems part of hte training will make sense.
1:27 PM - FlatPancake: All units using the same thing means ease of repair, maintenance, resupplying, etc. and units will know exactly what everyone is using.
1:27 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Alright, and we're keeping the FC+ off duty carry?
1:28 PM - FlatPancake: We may include information on specific details like bodyarmor, parts of the helmet/mask, what's on your dutybelt, etc, but that's undecided.
1:28 PM - FlatPancake: And yeah, that should probably be unchnaged.
1:28 PM - RWxSpartan5150: That won't be changing.
1:28 PM - FlatPancake: If you want to carry off-duty, go ahead, just make note of it.
1:28 PM - FlatPancake: So, it's mostly been VICE and Land talking with Kestrel occasionally. Is there anything else anyone wants to add about this? Somedude? Sock?
1:29 PM - FlatPancake: This /will/ be happening, and I've tried to give it enough thought and input that everyone's needs are at least being considered slightly (sidearms for example).
1:29 PM - Snapshot: I think this will have a lot of initial outcry from units
1:29 PM - FlatPancake: I've just neglected to include you guys for now 'cause by and large you'll be using the same shit really.
1:29 PM - FlatPancake: Oh, yeah, of course.
1:29 PM - Snapshot: I'm not disagreeing with it, but there will be blood
1:29 PM - FlatPancake: Units are going to be super angry that they're getting their inventories fucked with.
1:29 PM - FlatPancake: lol.
1:30 PM - FlatPancake: That was sort of expected.
1:30 PM - TankNut: Yep.
1:30 PM - Snapshot: So wait, are we ditching Aimpoint mp7 as well?
1:30 PM - FlatPancake: Like I said.
1:30 PM - Somedude: There's going to be some people that love this, and some people who are absolutely pissed.
1:30 PM - FlatPancake: It's still being decided.
1:30 PM - FlatPancake: If we can get the weapon box to only give the Aimpoint, then we might just use that over the MP7 PDW.
1:30 PM - FlatPancake: Silenced will before SID, Specops will be for SWORD.
1:31 PM - Snapshot: I'm going to go ahead and pre-emptively wipe my inventory.
1:31 PM - FlatPancake: It's hard to get anything done dev side on my end 'cause devs either wanna do other shit, or Dave doesn't want to answer me. lol. We'll see what can get done.
1:31 PM - Drewerth: hm
1:31 PM - FlatPancake: I mean, this won't be coming for at least a few days, if not a week.
1:31 PM - FlatPancake: So you're fine for now.
1:32 PM - FlatPancake: How long it takes devs to get shit done is a complete random guess.
1:32 PM - Snapshot: Too late
1:32 PM - Snapshot: http://i.imgur.com/bdvi7Aw.png
1:32 PM - FlatPancake: Does anyone have objections against the SG552? We were originally looking at the M4, but its sights are little wonky.
1:33 PM - Snapshot: Nope
1:33 PM - TankNut: Not really.
1:33 PM - TankNut: I mean, stats wise it looks fine.
1:34 PM - FlatPancake: Most ARs stat wise for the CCA are bad anyways.
1:34 PM - FlatPancake: lol.
1:34 PM - FlatPancake: Like I said, it's so much easier to just use a PDW in S2K.
1:41 PM - FlatPancake: Okay then, so, in summary:
** I'll make a training guide post in FC private, we need to try and work out as much as we can before this next batch gets accepted.
** We'll try and start including less formalized trainings for recruits, and just do more RP get together sessions. That's what innernexus is for.
** Weapon reformations is coming. Primary and secondary, you know generally what's going to be available. Try not to talk too much about it with your units before hearsay and gossip starts to spread. It'll get posted when devs get shit updated and we get things finalized.
** Recruits are to start being inducted tomorrow BASED UPON THEIR INTERESTS, just notify any interested FC if you take someone up. Get them trained in whatever areas they're lacking before inducting them.
1:42 PM - TankNut: Sounds good.
1:43 PM - Snapshot: yep
1:43 PM - FlatPancake: Oh, right, and recruit applications will be opening tomorrow (or maybe even tonight, idk).
1:45 PM - Abni left chat.
1:45 PM - Drewerth: ill update the training batch one last time then b4 midnight
1:46 PM - FlatPancake: k.
1:49 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: Sounds good, also if you see Edgar Hayes with a stashed vest and few guns. It's for an event character that I occasionally do for the coast and rowtree.
1:51 PM - FlatPancake: Can you not just use a new slot.
1:51 PM - TankNut: Or have rowtree spawn the items in question for you.
1:52 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: I can, I suppose.
1:54 PM - TRICKLE DOWN: The only issue was the leniency on being able to utilize the licenses on Edgar Hayes to buy scripts in order to do some of the events.
2:02 PM - TankNut is now playing Garry's Mod. Click here to join.
2:04 PM - Drewerth: funny thing flat
2:04 PM - Drewerth: as you guys go for this recruit guide
2:05 PM - Drewerth: im in the works of planning a vortigaunt trial guide
2:05 PM - Drewerth: lol
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Sunday, October 4, 2015
2:11 PM - TRICKLE DOWN left chat.
2:13 PM - TankNut: Does anyone know if kills are logged?
2:13 PM - TankNut: I remember seeing logs of them somewhere in the F4 menu, but I can't seem to find it.
2:14 PM - Drewerth: rip