11:06 PM <•Klavh> anyway, bbl
11:06 PM <Kriszke> the xivrox version doesnt mean shit
11:06 PM <•Caevus> o/
11:06 PM <•Klavh> only time will tell Kriszke
11:06 PM <Kriszke> Klavh, fine, but i dont see how this guy thinks the xivrox version still means anything
11:06 PM <Kriszke> lol
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11:06 PM <Kriszke> thats just retarded
11:06 PM <Arolia> And even if he was, it is irrelevant now.
11:07 PM <Kriszke> he had _nothing_ to do with the game for the past 2 years, and since the beginning of this reset
11:07 PM <Kriszke> which had like a one year break _before_ that
11:07 PM <Arolia> He has learned whether you wish to admit this or not.
11:08 PM <Kriszke> nobody's talking about that
11:08 PM <spaz> original vpop was xivrox, klavh, nicolail. this one is klavh, dano and ?
11:08 PM <Kriszke> i'm wondering why are you thinking this management is going to be different
11:08 PM <Arolia> Because they have experience now.
11:08 PM <Arolia> And they will soon end university.
11:08 PM <Kriszke> but its still the same management
11:08 PM <Arolia> It is only Klavh
11:08 PM <Kriszke> so you can blame them for their own mistakes!
11:09 PM <Kriszke> it is klavh and dano + a new designer who wont have any say in the game
11:09 PM <iPSiArt> Could someone tell me the mistakes of vPopulus? :)
11:09 PM <Kriszke> which is, the same as now, klavh + dano making all the decisions
11:09 PM <Arolia> dano is for this version
11:09 PM <Arolia> Not the previous.
11:09 PM <Kriszke> dano and klavh made the previous version
11:09 PM <spaz> xivrox was the best vpop admin anyway
11:09 PM <Kriszke> well, this one
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11:10 PM <Arolia> If Klavh did not care to make a good game, he would not have attempted to revive it.
11:10 PM <Kriszke> the previous version is irrelevant
11:10 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: I mean he kicked you from esim not in rl   :D
11:10 PM <Kriszke> it was like 3 years ago, and there was a one year break between that
11:10 PM <Arolia> esim is too easy jaja
11:10 PM <Kriszke> it has absolutely nothing to do with how things are going now
11:10 PM <iPSiArt> Zatezalo: My account is banned from e-sim, yes.
11:10 PM <Arolia> For what?
11:10 PM <Zatezalo> why?
11:11 PM <Arolia> And Kriszke
11:11 PM <iPSiArt> for making a script to train/work automatically :)
11:11 PM <Arolia> Because I see the potential in this game.
11:11 PM <Arolia> I should hit you
11:11 PM <Arolia> :p
11:11 PM <Kriszke> you still have no idea what you are talking about
11:11 PM <Kriszke> you're just repeating what klavh says
11:11 PM <Kriszke> silly boi
11:11 PM <Arolia> No.
11:11 PM <Zatezalo> why did you do that when you knew that is forbidden :(
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11:11 PM <Arolia> I repeat what I believe.
11:12 PM <Kriszke> Klavh, tell him i shit gold
11:12 PM <Kriszke> seems like this guy believes everything you say
11:12 PM <Arolia> And you don't believe everything he says.
11:12 PM <iPSiArt> Zatezalo: many players do that without consequence, railman just wanted a reason to ban me probably :)
11:12 PM <Kriszke> of course not
11:12 PM <Arolia> Only fools allow themselves to do so.
11:12 PM <Kriszke> i've been here sin ce the start of this server, i've been here for the last version
11:12 PM <Arolia> You believe I believe everything he says.
11:13 PM <Kriszke> well, you keep repeating what he says
11:13 PM <Kriszke> so uh
11:13 PM <Arolia> It isn't a Klavh only opinion.
11:13 PM <Kriszke> i'll tell you right now
11:13 PM <Arolia> Since you no longer maintain connections with the entire game.
11:13 PM <Kriszke> these are the exact same promises we got when this version started
11:13 PM <Kriszke> from the exact same person
11:14 PM <Arolia> And things happened.
11:14 PM <Kriszke> yeah, for a month
11:14 PM <Arolia> No
11:14 PM <Arolia> Things happened.
11:14 PM <Kriszke> then nobody gave a fuck anymore
11:14 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:14 PM <Arolia> You have forgotten something very important.
11:14 PM <Arolia> They are University students.
11:15 PM <Kriszke> whats your nick ingame?
11:15 PM <Arolia> Darwin.
11:16 PM <Kriszke> how long have you been actually playing the game?
11:16 PM <Kriszke> actually nvm
11:16 PM <Kriszke> you're an aussie, i wont argue with you
11:16 PM <Kriszke> bye
11:16 PM <Arolia> jaja
11:16 PM <•Caevus> lol
11:17 PM <Arolia> What I am in the game is not what I am in RL.
11:17 PM <Kriszke> i don't care where you're from irl
11:17 PM <Arolia> :p
11:17 PM <Kriszke> i know the aussies ingame, no point in arguing with you
11:18 PM <iPSiArt> :D
11:18 PM <Kriszke> whoever elected timtamtard as their president deserves to be banned from the game
11:18 PM <Kriszke> Klavh, thats a good suggestion, add it to your list!
11:18 PM <Arolia> I did not elect Tim.
11:18 PM <Arolia> I am actually ADSP jaja
11:19 PM <Arolia> But I am speaking with what I have seen.
11:20 PM <Arolia> I would rather have Klavh as an admin than the admins of eRepublik.
11:21 PM <iPSiArt> why?
11:21 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: many people make multiples without being punishment, that isnt strange
11:21 PM <Arolia> Because they transformed a wonderful game in to a terrible one for money.
11:22 PM <{{> A new law was proposed in Poland.
11:22 PM <spaz> Arolia when they're done with university they'll start using their job as excuse in the same way
11:22 PM <spaz> :D
11:23 PM <Arolia> Or this becomes their job if it is successful.
11:23 PM <Arolia> In the same manner eRepublik became successful.
11:23 PM <iPSiArt> Zatezalo: It's quite hard to fight with multies, tbh ;)
11:24 PM <Arolia> Scripts
11:24 PM <Arolia> But you shouldn't anyway.
11:24 PM <spaz> this is nowhere near successful to become their job
11:24 PM <iPSiArt> I mean, to fight against multiple accounts
11:24 PM <Arolia> Ah
11:24 PM <Arolia> Then I would say I would rather have Klavh than the esim admins as well.
11:25 PM <Arolia> For at least the multis are punished without mercy here :)
11:25 PM <iPSiArt> A game cannot run without paying for itself. If a creator doesn't earn anything from the game it's never going to be good and it's a matter of time for it to close
11:26 PM <Kriszke> Arolia, haha
11:26 PM <Kriszke> are they?
11:26 PM <Arolia> Indo is dead.
11:26 PM <Kriszke> i guess you weren't here when we found 30 multies of klavh's buddy
11:26 PM <iPSiArt> Arolia: it's practically impossible to REALLY disallow multies :)
11:26 PM <Arolia> Correct.
11:26 PM <Kriszke> and he banned them after 2 weeks of shitstorm, not touching his main acc, his org or anything
11:26 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:27 PM <Arolia> But they are punished now and have been for some time.
11:27 PM <Arolia> This was the previous?
11:27 PM <Kriszke> no
11:27 PM <Kriszke> it was this version
11:27 PM <Arolia> ok
11:27 PM <Kriszke> you don't know jackshit, thats the problem
11:27 PM <•dano19> 11:25 pm <•dano19> That conversation tho... I was here from first public version of vpop :-/ just not involved in anything than helping with hosting the game and some background work done, until beta when I started to add some stuff and after xivrox left I redone whole vpop from 0 (prime)
11:27 PM <Arolia> So this is why people quit in numbers?
11:27 PM <Kriszke> as i said, you're repeating what klavh says :D
11:27 PM <Arolia> No.
11:27 PM <Kriszke> dano19,
11:27 PM <Kriszke> lets play lol
11:27 PM <Kriszke> i bought ekko
11:27 PM <Arolia> You don't pay attention to anything in the game anymore but Klavh
11:28 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: really? but sometimes OP can ban player but he doesnt do that because of strength of player
11:28 PM <•dano19> Fuck this ekko Kriszke, op as fuxk
11:28 PM <Kriszke> well, he's the head admin
11:28 PM <Kriszke> dano19, i need to try him out
11:28 PM <Kriszke> lets play a match
11:28 PM <Arolia> Because if you did, you would realise that this is majority player opinion.
11:28 PM <Arolia> Most of what I say.
11:28 PM <Kriszke> r u still bronze?
11:28 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:29 PM <•dano19> Silver 1
11:29 PM <spaz> cuz only those who still have hope are left in the game
11:29 PM <iPSiArt> Zatezalo: That shouldn't happen, yes. But banning strong players, even if they did something against the rules, is a loss for the game :)
11:29 PM <Kriszke> nice
11:29 PM <spaz> obviously
11:29 PM <Kriszke> same as me then
11:29 PM <Kriszke> still on eune right?
11:29 PM <iPSiArt> not banning them is also a loss :D
11:29 PM <Kriszke> the problem is
11:29 PM <Arolia> But which loss is preferred?
11:29 PM <•dano19> Yeah, cannot be bother to.get 30 on euw
11:29 PM <iPSiArt> Arolia: depends on the situation :)
11:29 PM <Kriszke> whats ur nickname?
11:29 PM <Kriszke> i dont think i have you added on my current acc
11:30 PM <•dano19> Eune?
11:30 PM <Kriszke> yes
11:30 PM <•dano19> Dano1474
11:30 PM <Arolia> But if Klavh has learned from his errors, then I see no reason not to forgive him.
11:30 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: the game is already dead
11:30 PM <Arolia> That is all.
11:30 PM <Kriszke> added
11:30 PM <•dano19> Will accept after dinner :D
11:31 PM <Kriszke> alright
11:31 PM <•dano19> Arolia, we all did, prime was first major release after xivrox left
11:32 PM <iPSiArt> Personally I think the problem of this game is that it's too similar to erep, It has nothing that I can see to actually make it better :)
11:32 PM <Arolia> It is eRep v1
11:32 PM <Arolia> With some changes.
11:32 PM <•dano19> Especially when game is written from scratch, in completly different techology, we had shit tons of bugs, we had so much ch gold and currency being hacked into the game
11:32 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: can you find some good acc  for me ? :D
11:32 PM <Arolia> But unlike eRep v2, the game is to evolve more gradually.
11:32 PM <Kriszke> when r u finishing dano?
11:32 PM <iPSiArt> erep is erep, no clone is going to be better :)
11:32 PM <Kriszke> i'll play an aram until then
11:33 PM <Arolia> Hospitals have area of effect.
11:33 PM <•dano19> Reset is a good way of making sure it will be gone since we have changed design, the most Base code stayed the same so bugs that happen before shouldn't happen now
11:33 PM <Arolia> Now you can live in the regions that border the region
11:33 PM <Arolia> hospital region
11:33 PM <Arolia> And still use the hospital.
11:33 PM <Kriszke> or hexakill
11:34 PM <Arolia> That is definitely better than v1
11:34 PM <Arolia> And there are other examples.
11:34 PM <Arolia> The game has not remained stagnant since the return of the game.
11:35 PM <•dano19> Spaz, we do not give players complete control over game because that would be stupid, (free gold for days I expect), we allow people to decide on matters that we agree netherless of vote income
11:36 PM <iPSiArt> http://take.ms/HHISZ seriously, the map couldn't be bigger? (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ
11:36 PM <Arolia> You're zoomed in.
11:36 PM <iPSiArt> that's not the point
11:37 PM <•dano19> Probably gonna get slapped from this but we will have feature where each month or week players can propose idea.and people.can vote on it, if at the end of vote we can allow.such idea it will be implemented
11:37 PM <•dano19> Feature idea*
11:38 PM <Tanishq> out of curiosity, will we be able to make images into links in articles? :P
11:38 PM <iPSiArt> dano19: make the map fill the screen. Would be a useful update ;)
11:38 PM <Arolia> dano19:
11:38 PM <Arolia> Will there be a new map?
11:39 PM <iPSiArt> and an easy one.
11:39 PM <Arolia> And if you don't do it with the reset, it should be your first featured idea.
11:39 PM <Arolia> :)
11:39 PM <Arolia> I will return.
11:40 PM <•dano19> Not right after reset, I'll be working on it in few weeks because we need to add new regions and stuff which is impossible.right now because we don't have script we used before
11:40 PM <Kriszke> why dont you have it?
11:40 PM <•dano19> But first of all we will be working on ideas that will have bigger impact on the game like independent countries and stock market
11:41 PM <Kriszke> lol
11:41 PM <•dano19> It got lost somewhere, and xivrox made it so it wouldn't work, you know xd
11:41 PM <iPSiArt> little stuff matters :>
11:43 PM <iPSiArt> meh
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11:46 PM <•dano19> size doesn't matter, technique does iPSiArt
11:46 PM <•dano19> what was the question? :D
11:46 PM <Arolia> Increase the size of the map
11:46 PM <Arolia> So that it fills the screen.
11:46 PM <Arolia> Can it be done?
11:47 PM <iPSiArt> dano19: size of the map on the screen doesn't matter?
11:47 PM <iPSiArt> well, there are loads of examples how to make it right
11:48 PM <iPSiArt> ghem... http://maps.google.com
11:48 PM <•dano19> sure it can, in new design it should scale to fit screen size
11:48 PM <Zatezalo> iPSiArt: tell me the biggest cheater in esim
11:48 PM <iPSiArt> Zatezalo: railman
11:48 PM <iPSiArt> :))
11:48 PM <Zatezalo> admins dont count :D
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> dano19 :D
11:49 PM <•dano19> AlejandroMadridPC: ? :D
11:49 PM <Arolia> AlejandroMadridPC:
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Hi :)
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Hi Arolia
11:49 PM <Arolia> We have more time now
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> :P
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Yeah ik
11:49 PM <Arolia> But update my translations!
11:49 PM <•dano19> Hi
11:49 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Its kinda bad for me that is on June 8th thought :/
11:49 PM <iPSiArt> dano19: well, I'll come to see your new design version :) if you want to, I could give a review about it ;)
11:50 PM <•dano19> hold on iPSiArt
11:50 PM <Arolia> it could be earlier
11:50 PM <Arolia> So we should finish in the next few days
11:50 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Hopefully is Earlier and no Later
11:50 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> I Will be traveling EXACLTY on june 8th
11:50 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> lol
11:50 PM <•dano19> everything depends on designed AlejandroMadridPC
11:50 PM <Arolia> That means work now to update my translations
11:50 PM <Arolia> :p
11:50 PM <•dano19> if he can get everything we need to release in time
11:51 PM <•dano19> but it should be first week of June
11:51 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> 1st week Would be awsome yeah
11:51 PM <iPSiArt> dano19: hold on for what?
11:51 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Btw how you've been doing dano19? havent heard of u in a while
11:52 PM <Arolia> dano19 is busy a lot.
11:52 PM <Arolia> :(
11:52 PM <•dano19> coursework and exams
11:52 PM <Kriszke> *dano19 is busy with lol
11:52 PM <Kriszke> fixed
11:52 PM <•dano19> that was my life for past month
11:52 PM <Arolia> Whingy
11:52 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Kriszke o/
11:52 PM <Kriszke> yo
11:52 PM <Arolia> :p
11:53 PM <•dano19> Kriszke: lol is my way of relaxing since i got no social life
11:53 PM <•dano19> :D
11:53 PM <Arolia> jaja
11:53 PM <Kriszke> sounds like me
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11:53 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> xD
11:54 PM <spaz> Kriszke I thought you had social life
11:54 PM <Kriszke> i go out drinking a few times
11:54 PM <Kriszke> not exactly a social life
11:54 PM <Kriszke> ur relaxing with the wrong game though, dano
11:54 PM <Kriszke> play cs
11:54 PM <Arolia> cs?
11:55 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> For relaxing Minecraft, For entertainment CS:Go or GTA V on the PS3
11:55 PM <Kriszke> counter strike
11:55 PM <Kriszke> o/
11:55 PM <Kriszke> what rank r u AlejandroMadridPC ?
11:55 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> About to reach Gold Nova
11:55 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:55 PM <Kriszke> eu servers?
11:56 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Yup! :P
11:56 PM <Kriszke> want to play a bit later?
11:56 PM <Kriszke> i'm gn2
11:56 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Thought i havent played on a while
11:56 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> My pc cannot handle it :/
11:56 PM <Kriszke> lol
11:56 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:56 PM <Kriszke> yeah, i only get around 40 fps on it too =(
11:57 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Besides my brother took my game when i was moving to the US and keep it in Venezuela
11:57 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> xD
11:57 PM <•dano19> Kriszke: its true, with all feeders i had in past 4 games i could feed Africa for 10 years
11:57 PM <Arolia> jaja
11:57 PM <•dano19> but its fun when u play with friends
11:57 PM <•dano19> 4 ranked games*
11:57 PM <Kriszke> :D
11:57 PM <Kriszke> yeah
11:57 PM <Kriszke> i lost like 4 or 5 in a row too
11:57 PM <Kriszke> but i won my last one
11:57 PM <Kriszke> i want to get gold so i can quit playing for a few months again
11:57 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Lol is fun When playing with friends yeah
11:58 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> Otherwise it gets pretty annoying with feeders
11:58 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> I Dont like lol that much :/
11:58 PM <AlejandroMadridPC> brb
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11:59 PM <Kriszke> dano19,
11:59 PM <Kriszke> these snowballs are so fun
11:59 PM <Kriszke> in aram
Saturday, May 30th, 2015
12:01 AM <Tanishq> Lol?
12:02 AM <Tanishq> haha i miss that game now
12:02 AM <Tanishq> since my computer is dead
12:02 AM <Tanishq> :/
12:05 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: do your team advertise the game anywhere?
12:05 AM <Arolia> They did earlier.
12:06 AM <Arolia> And player advertisement created new powers in China and Brasil.
12:06 AM <•dano19> we tried but as everyone hated design it was pointless if people join and leave
12:06 AM <•dano19> so we waited for this design to be finished
12:07 AM <Kriszke> dan
12:07 AM <Kriszke> o
12:07 AM <Kriszke> done with your dinner?
12:08 AM <•dano19> i haven't started doing it :/ been trying to do something for iPSiArt xd
12:08 AM <Kriszke> fu
12:08 AM <Kriszke> i'Ll just go play ranked trhen
12:08 AM <•dano19> gl
12:08 AM <Kriszke> ty
12:08 AM <Kriszke> im probably going to lose anyways
12:08 AM <Kriszke> since i quit for so long there's like 3 champs i can play at a decent level
12:08 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: that design is taking a long time to implement?
12:09 AM <iPSiArt> it doesn't look complex
12:12 AM <Kriszke> dano19,
12:12 AM <Kriszke> whos strong against zed
12:12 AM <•dano19> fizz
12:12 AM <•dano19> vlad
12:12 AM <Kriszke> hm
12:13 AM <Kriszke> i'll go with liss
12:13 AM <•dano19> its not complex iPSiArt, there is a lot of it and its time consuming
12:13 AM <•dano19> and most of the time i have to wait for design to be designed :D
12:13 AM <iPSiArt> btw, dano19, I would recommend changing the background. It looks like the site is in a sea or something, when the island gets blocked by the contect
12:14 AM <•dano19> http://test.vpopulus.net/
12:14 AM <•dano19> admin / test
12:14 AM <•dano19> ifyou want to see inside
12:14 AM <•dano19> the progress we have so far
12:14 AM <•dano19> .clear
12:14 AM <Arolia> That is broken unless you just updated it.
12:15 AM <•dano19> ctrl f5
12:15 AM <•dano19> should help
12:15 AM <Kriszke> so far awaaaaaaay
12:16 AM <•dano19> 1 sec, have to push i18n to test :D
12:16 AM <iPSiArt> yep, as I said, the background is bad for this type of design :)
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12:16 AM <iPSiArt> if you're going to release like that, it's a mistake. It can be used as a promo image or login page
12:17 AM <iPSiArt> not a page bg
12:17 AM <Arolia> The landing is not that good for more than one reason.
12:18 AM <iPSiArt> if your designer is just an enthusiast, it's an okay design
12:18 AM <iPSiArt> if you pay money for that, you should not ;)
12:18 AM <Arolia> They didn't.
12:19 AM <Arolia> But that is the only design flaw.
12:19 AM <Arolia> Though the game itself remains incomplete.
12:19 AM <Arolia> I will return.
12:19 AM <iPSiArt> it's not a game without design anyways
12:19 AM <•dano19> you know, considering the time scale for whole design he did the best job he could
12:20 AM <Arolia> It is a good design.
12:20 AM <Arolia> Better than the current one.
12:20 AM <iPSiArt> what was the time scale?
12:21 AM <Kriszke> gg
12:21 AM <Kriszke> i gave up fb
12:21 AM <Kriszke> :D
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12:21 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: better than the current one doesn't mean it's good design :D
12:21 AM <•dano19> lets see, something like 2 months?
12:21 AM <Arolia> You have seen the current design?
12:21 AM <•dano19> but it wasn't exactly day by day work since he had to work on other projects
12:22 AM <iPSiArt> I see. Well, probably he's just a newbie designer, then it's all okay. Otherwise that's plenty of time to make something good even if you're working on several projects
12:23 AM <•dano19> at least this one works well with different screen sizes
12:23 AM <iPSiArt> yeah, that's a plus
12:24 AM <•dano19> youknow iPSiArt, small parts of design can always be changed so its not big issues
12:24 AM <•dano19> unless whole design has to be redone from scratch
12:25 AM <iPSiArt> yes, but in the design, small things make it work
12:25 AM <iPSiArt> if they aren't done, it's worthless
12:25 AM <Arolia> What still needs to be done?
12:25 AM <iPSiArt> I will be able to comment it when it's on a live version
12:25 AM <iPSiArt> loads of stuff is broken atm on test
12:26 AM <Arolia> Correct.
12:26 AM <•dano19> we got list Arolia but i doubt klavh would be happy if i show you it :D
12:27 AM <•dano19> you mean missing icons iPSiArt?
12:27 AM <iPSiArt> That's just for start, all the typography should be revised, background changed, some placement is incorrect
12:28 AM <•dano19> i18n will be now on 100% of the website
12:28 AM <•dano19> not only small % like it was in old design
12:28 AM <•dano19> so any typos could be fixed on i18n.vpopulus.net
12:29 AM <•dano19> who's actually doing the translations can see how much stuff they will have to translate xd
12:29 AM <AlejandroMadridPC> Yeah
12:29 AM <Arolia> I am
12:29 AM <iPSiArt> well, there are stuff that should be changed :) I would gladly review a final version
12:29 AM <Arolia> For both versions of Spanish
12:30 AM <Arolia> But the English is bad ;_;
12:30 AM <Arolia> Makes it difficult to translate :p
12:30 AM <iPSiArt> at least, I know what I'm talking about :)
12:30 AM <AlejandroMadridPC> Indeed Arolia
12:32 AM <{{> Noroeste was conquered by Argentina in a war against Australia.
12:32 AM <gabieb> wiiiii
12:32 AM <gabieb> :v
12:33 AM — Arolia hits gabieb
12:33 AM — gabieb cry
12:33 AM <iPSiArt> ...me a river
12:33 AM <Arolia> jaja
12:34 AM <gabieb> :p
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12:34 AM <gabieb> Huezil is strong :p
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12:35 AM <iPSiArt> anyways, dano19, vPopulus from start looked like a very promising project. I'd like to know what went wrong here.
12:35 AM <Arolia> There are actually 2 versions of vPopulus.
12:35 AM <Arolia> This is the second.
12:36 AM <Arolia> The first closed for reasons I admit I do not fully understand.
12:37 AM <•dano19> bugs, people lost interest, lack of good game explanation therefore no new players, no new players people lost interest
12:37 AM <Arolia> No successors.
12:37 AM <•dano19> so now we managed to fix bugs, adding ingame tutorial hopefully we can get new players
12:37 AM <•dano19> who never played this genre before
12:37 AM <Kriszke> we're actually winning
12:37 AM <Arolia> It does not help that dano and Klavh are also university students.
12:38 AM <Arolia> So they get busy in RL.
12:38 AM <•dano19> i guess opposite team get all the feeders Kriszke :D
12:38 AM <Kriszke> nah
12:38 AM <•dano19> thats is also true Arolia
12:38 AM <Kriszke> i was feeding
12:38 AM <Kriszke> but i caught up
12:39 AM <•dano19> afterall this is not fully time thing, it was and its still is only hobby
12:39 AM <•dano19> the question is if it stays hobby or will progress into something more serious
12:39 AM <Arolia> Do you love it?
12:39 AM <iPSiArt> well, if you want to make it something serious, you should work on it seriously :)
12:39 AM <•dano19> i wouldn't bother with it if i wouldn't
12:39 AM <Kriszke> how could he not
12:39 AM <Kriszke> with players like me!
12:40 AM <Arolia> Then it should be more serious.
12:40 AM <•dano19> yeah, i meet these good people like spaz and Kriszke and CatLand
12:40 AM <Kriszke> :D
12:40 AM <Arolia> And me
12:40 AM <Arolia> :P
12:40 AM <•dano19> my best internet friends forever :P
12:40 AM <•dano19> i know you for short time only :D
12:40 AM <iPSiArt> is there a public version of your tutorial?
12:40 AM <iPSiArt> I would like to see it
12:40 AM <iPSiArt> :)
12:40 AM <•dano19> no yet iPSiArt, its being finish off
12:41 AM <Arolia> si
12:41 AM <Arolia> The test link is old
12:41 AM <Arolia> Very buggy.
12:41 AM <Arolia> Very broken :p
12:41 AM <Arolia> But it looks pretty.
12:41 AM <Arolia> jaja :D
12:41 AM <•dano19> tbh iPSiArt, its not serious but i do work on it seriously, i spend almost all the time on it if i am not studying or relaxing at lol :D
12:41 AM <•dano19> as i said i have no social life :)
12:42 AM — Arolia pats dano19's head
12:42 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: well I hope you know you should test the tutorial before releasing it to final version :)
12:42 AM <•dano19> i just updated stuff on test Arolia, actually :P
12:42 AM <Arolia> I still can't access it now
12:42 AM <Arolia> ;_;
12:43 AM <•dano19> you tried login admin and password test?
12:43 AM <Arolia> si
12:43 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: btw, what's with the icons in test? :P
12:43 AM <Arolia> I was able to log in yesterday.
12:43 AM <•dano19> they haven't been designed yet iPSiArt :P
12:43 AM <Kriszke> i was able to login 10 mins ago
12:44 AM <Arolia> But I guess there was an error as I attempted to log in while still logged in to the current design.
12:44 AM <{{> A Resistance War started in Quebec.
12:44 AM <•dano19> test uses different database
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12:45 AM <Arolia> Ah
12:46 AM <iPSiArt> kk, well, good luck dano19 on your work. I would suggest all your team to start looking into it more than just a hobby. ;)
12:47 AM <•dano19> other thing is, we are not even sure if something more than hobby could be possible without going erep style
12:47 AM <Arolia> eRep was able to manage without that style in v1
12:47 AM <•dano19> the main idea of vpop was to stay as free as possible, not pay to win
12:47 AM <•dano19> but they got a lot of money at the beginning
12:47 AM <Arolia> It just requires people.
12:48 AM <iPSiArt> is LOL pay to win? :)
12:48 AM <Kriszke> ludens echo
12:48 AM <Kriszke> is so op
12:48 AM <•dano19> eRepublik has raised a total of 3.25 million euros[3] in four rounds:
12:48 AM <Kriszke> i love that item
12:48 AM <Arolia> It can be done dano19
12:48 AM <•dano19> no it isn't iPSiArt but its different genre
12:49 AM <iPSiArt> but it generates loads of revenue.
12:49 AM <•dano19> they get money from overpriced characters skins xd
12:49 AM <iPSiArt> genre doesn't impact marketing strategy :)
12:49 AM <Arolia> Find a different method from eRepublik
12:49 AM <•dano19> they also got huge player base
12:49 AM <•dano19> like millions
12:49 AM <iPSiArt> they didn't start from millions :)
12:49 AM <Arolia> It can be done.
12:50 AM <Arolia> I believe this.
12:50 AM <iPSiArt> of course it can be done
12:50 AM <Arolia> This is why vPopulus was begun.
12:50 AM <Kriszke> lol made 1billion $
12:50 AM <iPSiArt> there's no question about it
12:50 AM <Kriszke> in microtransactions only
12:50 AM <Kriszke> last year
12:50 AM <Kriszke> :D
12:50 AM <•dano19> iPSiArt: you know how LoL looks like? xd
12:50 AM <•dano19> and how to play it? :D
12:50 AM <iPSiArt> yes
12:50 AM <Arolia> And there is also World of Warcraft.
12:50 AM <Arolia> It has its own economy.
12:50 AM <iPSiArt> i'm not saying it's the same game, but the success story of it should give some ideas.
12:50 AM <•dano19> so you cannot say genre doesn't matter
12:52 AM <iPSiArt> there's not a lot of marketing strategies that can be implemented to games, erep uses one, others use different kinds. From my perspective, vPopulus is just copy pasting eRep.
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12:52 AM <Arolia> iPSiArt:
12:52 AM <Arolia> In many ways, this is correct.
12:52 AM <Arolia> No reason to deny it.
12:52 AM <•dano19> that was the whole idea, to copy old version of erep
12:52 AM <•dano19> which wasn't pay to win
12:53 AM <Arolia> But is there not a way to keep this?
12:53 AM <iPSiArt> well then it was doomed from the start :)
12:53 AM <Arolia> But the copying was a template
12:53 AM <iPSiArt> you should add something unique, that would make your game stand out
12:53 AM <Arolia> Something to evolve from
12:53 AM <iPSiArt> copies never reach even a little of originals.
12:54 AM <iPSiArt> if they don't have something so give themselves
12:54 AM <Arolia> Identity
12:54 AM <iPSiArt> exactly :)
12:54 AM <•dano19> noone said we will not evolve, add something new iPSiArt
12:54 AM <Arolia> But this is happening iPSiArt
12:54 AM <Arolia> But it is happening slowly.
12:54 AM <Arolia> So the same mistake as eRep v2 is not made.
12:54 AM <•dano19> people don't like changes
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12:54 AM <Arolia> AHAO!
12:55 AM <•dano19> thats the sad truth so adding something new might not always be so easy :D
12:55 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: people don't like dumb changes, imho :D
12:55 AM <AHAO> Arolia hi
12:55 AM <Arolia> Do you know of eRep v2 iPSiArt?
12:55 AM <Dzir> Someone saw that I got ?
12:55 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: yes
12:55 AM <Arolia> Dzir!
12:55 AM <Arolia> :D
12:55 AM <Arolia> Then you know of the main error
12:55 AM <iPSiArt> well, what has actually changed from the start of vPopulus?
12:55 AM <Kriszke> dano19,
12:55 AM <Kriszke> #roadtogold
12:56 AM <Arolia> Fruit has its own purpose now.
12:56 AM <Kriszke> we won
12:56 AM <Kriszke> :D
12:56 AM <Arolia> It creates Juice
12:56 AM <•dano19> iPSiArt: you said copies never reach even a little of originals
12:56 AM <Arolia> But this was only the first change.
12:56 AM <•dano19> but thats the case for LoL, smite, etc
12:56 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: IF they don't achieve their own identity
12:56 AM <•dano19> they are almost the same, with different graphics and items :D
12:56 AM <iPSiArt> apparently those examples did :)
12:56 AM <Arolia> For another, hospital regions are no longer limiting
12:57 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: can you name the biggest changes from the start of vPopulus?
12:57 AM <•dano19> why? because they are cometitive more than vpop ever will
12:57 AM <Arolia> Hospitals and Hotels
12:57 AM <iPSiArt> what has really changed, except bug fixes and minor stuff
12:57 AM <Kriszke> dano19, coming to play?
12:57 AM <Kriszke> or not?
12:57 AM <•dano19> they start match with no items, no gold every game
12:57 AM <•dano19> you have to farm to get anywhere in the game but at the end you start with nothing
12:57 AM <•dano19> so everyone have equal chances
12:58 AM <•dano19> coming Kriszke
12:58 AM <Arolia> This type of game is continuous.
12:58 AM <Kriszke> lemme smoke a cig
12:58 AM <Kriszke> and go pee
12:58 AM <Arolia> But dano19
12:58 AM <Arolia> LoL is not the best example anyway
12:58 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: same could be applied, just the mechanics of the gameplay need to be modified a bit :)
12:58 AM <Arolia> There are now Hotels iPSiArt
12:58 AM <iPSiArt> and what do they do
12:58 AM <Arolia> The best example dano19 and iPSiArt
12:58 AM <iPSiArt> ?
12:59 AM <Arolia> is World of Warcraft.
12:59 AM <•dano19> iPSiArt: you know twitch.tv?
12:59 AM <•dano19> its a serious 'encourage' tool for this type of games
12:59 AM <Arolia> and Second Life.
12:59 AM <Kriszke> are you serious about world of warcraft?
12:59 AM <•dano19> people watch streams, and get all excited, play the game
12:59 AM <Kriszke> people nolifed that shit so hard
12:59 AM <Arolia> Not the entire game
12:59 AM <Arolia> The economic system.
1:00 AM <•dano19> but still, its not the same genre
1:00 AM <Arolia> It is mmo
1:00 AM <•dano19> i have never played wow
1:00 AM <•dano19> but i am guessing you aren't so much limited to community as in vpop
1:00 AM <Arolia> Community-wise, it is very similar actually.
1:01 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: it's a different genre, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be popular :)
1:01 AM <iPSiArt> or it couldn't make revenue without P2W
1:01 AM <Arolia> One can learn from different genres
1:01 AM <•dano19> no it doesn't but it means its harder for differet genre to get popular
1:01 AM <•dano19> you cannot nolife shit out of vpop as Kriszke said
1:01 AM <Arolia> It is p2w
1:01 AM <iPSiArt> it's hard for any genre game to become popular
1:01 AM <•dano19> there isn't so many things to do unless you spend all time on irc
1:01 AM <•dano19> and forums
1:01 AM <Arolia> But this is why I mentioned Second Life
1:02 AM <Kriszke> wow gives you goals
1:02 AM <Arolia> As well
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> you can do anything if you change the mechanics of it
1:02 AM <Kriszke> beat the raid boss
1:02 AM <Kriszke> get that gear
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> for example - travian
1:02 AM <Kriszke> get better in arenae
1:02 AM <Kriszke> tc
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> people nolife it as much as it gets
1:02 AM <{{> A new law was proposed in USA.
1:02 AM <Arolia> Dpes anyone know what Second Life is?
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> yes, Arolia
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> but it's a failed project
1:02 AM <Arolia> Now
1:02 AM <iPSiArt> not very good for comparison
1:03 AM <Arolia> But one can still learn from it.
1:03 AM <iPSiArt> sure
1:03 AM <Arolia> As it is a 3d version of what is done in these games.
1:03 AM <iPSiArt> but it's more important to learn from the games that did it right
1:03 AM <iPSiArt> than from the ones who did it wrong
1:03 AM <•dano19> Arolia: you mean something like this https://www.youtube.com/user/universeprojects
1:03 AM <•dano19> ?
1:04 AM <Kriszke> dano19, inv
1:04 AM <Arolia> But the reality is
1:04 AM <Arolia> The game must be interesting.
1:04 AM <Arolia> As WoW is and Second Life's premise is.
1:04 AM <iPSiArt> I'm working on a game myself, so it's really interesting for me :)
1:04 AM <Arolia> Genre is irrelevant.
1:04 AM <•Caevus> iPSiArt, it is equally important to learn from both. Doing things correctly is undermined by doing things incorrectly.
1:05 AM <iPSiArt> hi Caevus, yes, I don't disagree ;)
1:05 AM <Arolia> What second life attempted is the proper next step for the genre.
1:05 AM <iPSiArt> and yes Arolia, game has to be interesting
1:05 AM <iPSiArt> which vpop at the moment is not.
1:06 AM <•Caevus> The sort of genre that vPopulus falls into is quite niche.
1:06 AM <Arolia> Simulator.
1:06 AM <Arolia> A Community Game.
1:07 AM <Arolia> The genre has fallen into the mistake of focusing on war
1:07 AM <Arolia> War war war war
1:07 AM <Arolia> And neglecting most other aspects.
1:07 AM <iPSiArt> true
1:07 AM <Arolia> eRepublik v1 was successful because it was mostly balanced.
1:07 AM <iPSiArt> but war is one of the most interesting parts of it :)
1:07 AM <Arolia> But not the only part.
1:07 AM <•Caevus> I wouldn't call vPopulus a simulator generally, but more of a Social Simulation. The current gaming genre of "Simulation" is very different from the kind of 'simulator' that vPopulus, or eRep, or e-Sim, or whatever, fall into
1:08 AM <Arolia> General statement.
1:08 AM <Dzir> vPopulus is my life, met 96% of my friends here.
1:08 AM <•Caevus> General statements can be dangerous, as they're prone to stereotyping items
1:08 AM <iPSiArt> it's more like a social multiplayer strategy game
1:08 AM <Arolia> Normally
1:08 AM <•Caevus> Especially with such diverse things as game genres
1:08 AM <Dzir> vPopulus is my life, met 96% of my friends here.
1:08 AM <Arolia> jaja Dzri
1:09 AM <Arolia> Dzir
1:09 AM <iPSiArt> Dzir: it's good to have dedicated players like you in a game ;)
1:09 AM <Arolia> Especially in a game like this.
1:09 AM <•Caevus> If we want to get literal about it, vPopulus is a Community Driven, Massively Multiplayer, Social Simulation and Strategy Game.
1:10 AM <Arolia> Which usually means War Game nowadays.
1:10 AM <Arolia> :(
1:10 AM <•Caevus> Which is unfortunate. I would love to see a lot more focus on the more social aspects, such as politics and economics.
1:10 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: wars is what attracts the masses
1:10 AM <Arolia> This is vPopulus's main reason for existing.
1:10 AM <Arolia> No.
1:11 AM <Arolia> Wars are what entertain players
1:11 AM <Arolia> But if there is only war, then it becomes much easier to get bored.
1:11 AM <iPSiArt> problem is, that without what erepublik started, most of game startups that came from erepublik try just to copy it, not invent better stuff.
1:11 AM <Arolia> eRepublik v1 was great
1:11 AM <•Caevus> Tedium is one of the largest killers of entertainment.
1:11 AM <Arolia> Correct
1:12 AM <Arolia> It is the best design anyone has conceived as of now.
1:12 AM <iPSiArt> well, if it was changed, obviously something did not work right :)
1:12 AM <Arolia> It was changed because it had run its course and people wanted something different.
1:13 AM <Arolia> But not too different.
1:13 AM <Arolia> So v2 was released, which was too much change too soon.
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> one of the craziest things that these games have, is the new player integration :D
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> imagine, you register, then you train, then you work
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> and.. That's it :D
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> wait for another day
1:14 AM <•Caevus> There's many layers to player retention.
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> which is bullshit :)
1:14 AM <•Caevus> Obviously, you need a game for people to be grasped on.
1:14 AM <iPSiArt> game will never work if new players get only that :D
1:14 AM <•dano19> iPSiArt: thats what erep tried to change right?
1:15 AM <Arolia> Si
1:15 AM <•dano19> but they fucked up economy meanwhile
1:15 AM <Arolia> The game can now be entered.
1:15 AM <Arolia> And played quickly
1:15 AM <Arolia> But the game was made terrible in the process.
1:15 AM <•Caevus> Between the community, the game itself, the developer response, the concepts and designs, the target audience, etc. you can figure out player retention capability
1:16 AM <Arolia> The problem is multis
1:16 AM <iPSiArt> erep had a very nice community when it started, and it build up pretty well because of that.
1:16 AM <iPSiArt> of course now that community is broken
1:16 AM <Arolia> That is why the games are designed as they are.
1:16 AM <iPSiArt> because of many errors from administration :)
1:17 AM <Arolia> Many people
1:17 AM <Arolia> Many countries multi for sport.
1:17 AM <Arolia> Indonesia is a big example.
1:17 AM <iPSiArt> big community is what helped erep to actually work with that train/work system at first, because ppl got tutors fast and etc
1:17 AM <iPSiArt> without people that system will never work :)
1:17 AM <Arolia> Without active people.
1:17 AM <iPSiArt> yes
1:18 AM <Arolia> It was activity that made it work.
1:18 AM <iPSiArt> which vpop clearly lacks
1:18 AM <iPSiArt> :D
1:18 AM <Arolia> It had activity.
1:18 AM <Arolia> But people left.
1:18 AM <iPSiArt> so it should change the main concept of only train/work to survive
1:18 AM <Arolia> For the reasons dano mentioned.
1:19 AM <iPSiArt> well the design of vpop was and is a mistake that led to loads of ppl loss
1:19 AM <Arolia> Which then leads to the question
1:19 AM <Arolia> Change it to what?
1:19 AM <Dzir> Arolia: https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/xmhpGlm5SvuC2zOVmxXe
1:20 AM <Arolia> JAJAJA
1:20 AM <Arolia> That is the biggest issue
1:20 AM <Arolia> One can say that you have to change it, but work/train is the only system we know.
1:21 AM <Arolia> The only way to change it would be to change the entire way the game is played.
1:21 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: innovation. Loads of things can be changed and added, everything should be properly tested. But when people just copy paste
1:21 AM <iPSiArt> it's not going to work :)
1:21 AM <Arolia> Meaning no more text-based gameplay.
1:21 AM <Arolia> Which requires money
1:22 AM <Arolia> Which they do not have.
1:22 AM <iPSiArt> everything requires money
1:22 AM <Arolia> I mean much money.
1:22 AM <Arolia> A lot more than eRepublik needed.
1:22 AM <iPSiArt> well, all startups need money that they don't have, but they manage to get it.
1:22 AM <iPSiArt> some of them *
1:23 AM <iPSiArt> which are successful
1:23 AM <Arolia> You misunderstand what I mean.
1:23 AM <Arolia> To innovate for this game and to go further
1:24 AM <iPSiArt> yes it does require extensive investments. But the return it can potentially generate is huge ;)
1:24 AM <Arolia> It would have to be similar to Second Life.
1:24 AM <iPSiArt> it can be browser based, full 3d world is not really needed
1:25 AM <iPSiArt> a great design is needed though ;)
1:25 AM <Arolia> Correct
1:25 AM <Arolia> But work/train is used because it works best on browsers
1:25 AM <Arolia> Anything else is needlessly complex.
1:25 AM <Arolia> It is balanced.
1:26 AM <Arolia> If anything, more needs to be accessible immediately.
1:26 AM <iPSiArt> it's no way balanced. You need much more to make a new player stay so it wouldn't forget the game tomorrow
1:26 AM <Arolia> And in a way to attract attention and willingness to attempt it.
1:26 AM <Arolia> It is balanced as a basic mechanic.
1:27 AM <iPSiArt> it's bad balance then
1:27 AM <iPSiArt> if you call it balanced
1:27 AM <Arolia> What else then?
1:27 AM <iPSiArt> even strength concept is wrong
1:27 AM <Arolia> As I said, anything else is too complex.
1:27 AM <iPSiArt> when you just go up and up and up..
1:27 AM <iPSiArt> you mean everything is more complex than two button clicks? come on :D
1:27 AM <Arolia> Unless you can focus on specialization
1:28 AM <iPSiArt> it's NOT interesting to click train and click work :)
1:28 AM <{{> A new law was proposed in USA.
1:28 AM <Arolia> But to push anything else too soon would repeat the fate of eRep v2
1:28 AM <Arolia> It must be evolved.
1:28 AM <Arolia> Not revolved.
1:29 AM <iPSiArt> well, I would disagree on that ;)
1:29 AM <iPSiArt> but thanks for the discussion, it is interesting.
1:29 AM <Arolia> What is your idea then?
1:29 AM <iPSiArt> I have some ideas that I cannot share at the moment :)
1:29 AM <Arolia> For your game?
1:29 AM <iPSiArt> yes
1:30 AM <Arolia> I see.
1:30 AM <Arolia> That does not help with your debate if you do not even hint :p
1:31 AM <iPSiArt> I know
1:31 AM <Arolia> Besides, if it is too different
1:32 AM <Arolia> You won't attract players.
1:32 AM <•dano19> so going up up up is a problem?
1:32 AM <Arolia> It is
1:32 AM <•dano19> should it do down?
1:32 AM <Arolia> For player retention reasons.
1:32 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: it is not a problem for several months :)
1:32 AM <iPSiArt> then with time it's more and more a bigger problem
1:32 AM <iPSiArt> with new people coming that will never reach old.
1:33 AM <Arolia> Players see the greats and do not believe they can reach the old.
1:33 AM <iPSiArt> they actually can't reach them for real
1:33 AM <Arolia> eRepublik attempted to fix this with a Division system.
1:33 AM <iPSiArt> :D
1:33 AM <iPSiArt> that was a decent idea :)
1:33 AM <Arolia> Strength incline
1:33 AM <Arolia> Give new players higher strength than older players
1:33 AM <Arolia> When they train
1:34 AM <iPSiArt> but that's only stuff that tries to calm the main problem
1:34 AM <iPSiArt> not fix it
1:34 AM <iPSiArt> :D
1:34 AM <Arolia> This could fix it
1:34 AM <Arolia> If you incline according to average level.
1:34 AM <iPSiArt> it could, but it didn't in any current example
1:34 AM <•dano19> by your way of thinking there is no real solution to this problem iPSiArt
1:34 AM <Arolia> If the average level increases, so does the strength gain.
1:35 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: indeed, copying erep is not a solution :) you need to make something new.
1:35 AM <Arolia> Or something better
1:35 AM <iPSiArt> yep
1:35 AM <Arolia> Improve on what exists
1:35 AM <Arolia> As eRep v1 is a good system.
1:36 AM <iPSiArt> how is erep v1 a different system?
1:36 AM <Arolia> A different system?
1:36 AM <Arolia> It is actually an outdated system now.
1:37 AM <iPSiArt> I mean, how is strength issue better in v1
1:37 AM <•dano19> but making the old system erep had was the idea
1:37 AM <iPSiArt> than now :)
1:37 AM <•dano19> because it doesn't exists anymore
1:37 AM <Arolia> But it is a good foundation.
1:37 AM <•dano19> so we copy something that worked but has been changed to become money maker
1:37 AM <Arolia> v1 was a money maker
1:37 AM <Arolia> But it made money because so many players joined.
1:37 AM <iPSiArt> dano19: that is a good idea, to take it as a starting point, but vpop hasn't really changed much :D
1:37 AM <•dano19> compare to v2 it wasn't
1:38 AM <Kriszke> v1 probably made more money than v2
1:38 AM <Arolia> It did
1:38 AM <Arolia> Easily
1:38 AM <Arolia> It was a money maker because it did not try to be.
1:38 AM <•dano19> iPSiArt: it didn't but if you look at this from our perspective, its been a year since this prime started
1:38 AM <Kriszke> one of the reasons v2 has become so big of a moneygrab is probably because they've lost most of their legit playerbase
1:38 AM <•dano19> this prime was wrote code wise from 0
1:38 AM <iPSiArt> well, if I was a new player, I would definitely register to erep rather than any other current competitor
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1:38 AM <•dano19> now we are at the point where almost all base features are completed, and new ones can be added
1:39 AM <•dano19> a year seems a lot but it isn't when you talk about something that you don't spend every day on
1:40 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Well.
1:40 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> It's been a good experience so far.
1:40 AM <iPSiArt> well, I mean, if you take for example, twitter bootstrap, and just add more menu items to it, it doesn't make it actually different
1:40 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Other than that awful gap between Beta and Prime.
1:40 AM <iPSiArt> which is the case in vpop atm
1:40 AM <Arolia> There are game mechanic differences
1:40 AM <Arolia> Hotels
1:41 AM <Arolia> Border hospital regions
1:41 AM <Arolia> Juice
1:41 AM <Arolia> Military Units
1:41 AM <Arolia> Political Parties able to own companies
1:42 AM <iPSiArt> it's merely an advancement, than another game
1:42 AM <Arolia> That is not a bad thing.
1:42 AM gabieb → wea
1:42 AM <Arolia> Advancement
1:42 AM <Arolia> Evolution can be good too.
1:42 AM <iPSiArt> it's not a bad thing, but it's not enough
1:43 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Different from which game?
1:43 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Because eRepublik so different these days, they should rename it.
1:43 AM <iPSiArt> yeah erepublik is going forward
1:43 AM <•dano19> juices actually just changed name from gifts
1:43 AM <iPSiArt> we're talking here about erep v1
1:44 AM <Arolia> Gifts were still available.
1:44 AM wea → El_indio
1:44 AM <Arolia> And Juice is different from Gifts
1:44 AM <iPSiArt> even with the P2W stuff erep is doing much better than all the competitors atm :/
1:44 AM <Arolia> Because they have a name
1:44 AM <Arolia> And people refuse to leave their friends
1:44 AM El_indio → gabieb
1:44 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> I miss eRep V1.
1:44 AM <Arolia> Despite all of the damage.
1:44 AM <iPSiArt> its not just that
1:45 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> eRep nowadays is only good for nostalgia.
1:45 AM <•dano19> nah, gifts is esentially the same thing as juice Arolia :D
1:45 AM <iPSiArt> as I said, me, as a new player
1:45 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> It's a shit game that only caters to credit card players.
1:45 AM <Arolia> Except designed better
1:45 AM <iPSiArt> I would go to erep rather any other candidate in this genre
1:45 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> I played V1. I started eRep January 2009.
1:45 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Why?
1:45 AM <Arolia> But you never said why
1:45 AM <iPSiArt> which does mean they are doing something right
1:45 AM <iPSiArt> well, graphics wise at first
1:46 AM <Arolia> It does look good.
1:46 AM <Arolia> But they are also corporate now
1:46 AM <•dano19> ithink thats good considering how many copies there are
1:46 AM <•dano19> and being developed
1:46 AM <iPSiArt> I would have never registered to e-sim if not my friend insisting it
1:46 AM <•dano19> esim iceapple eearth
1:46 AM <iPSiArt> eearth is?
1:46 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Alright, so graphics.
1:46 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> What else?
1:46 AM <Arolia> But they all have fatal flaws
1:47 AM <Arolia> Those dano19 mentioned
1:47 AM <Arolia> esim is too easy
1:47 AM <Arolia> iceapple has no originality
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1:47 AM <iPSiArt> Alexander_Valkor: community, functions
1:47 AM <Arolia> And I have never played eearth
1:47 AM <Arolia> There is no more community in eRep
1:47 AM <iPSiArt> it's mostly better in all ways than others :)
1:47 AM <iPSiArt> except the poor history of admin
1:47 AM <iPSiArt> Pluto
1:47 AM <iPSiArt> :D
1:48 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Sounds less like community and more like size of community.
1:48 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> vPopulus is smaller, but imo the community is better.
1:48 AM <iPSiArt> yes indeed, as a new player I would be compelled to go to a bigger community
1:48 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> At least in the eUSA, it's full of lethargic and toxic old fucks who are around for nostalgia.
1:48 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Well, you won't help the smaller, better games by not giving them a shot :P
1:48 AM <Arolia> It is like that nearly everywhere.
1:48 AM <Arolia> I have been paying attention.
1:49 AM <Arolia> Nobody cares anymore.
1:49 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> While eRepublik is much more established, Arolia said it best. Most people simply don't give a shit anymore.
1:49 AM <iPSiArt> Alexander_Valkor: I could give a shot now, when I know this type of game
1:49 AM <iPSiArt> not when I'm completely new
1:50 AM <Arolia> And eRepublik can no longer retain anything anymore.
1:50 AM <Arolia> Which reminds me
1:50 AM <Arolia> dano19:
1:50 AM <Arolia> Consider Georgia in the future for vPopulus
1:50 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> The admins have also already talked about Day 1 issues.
1:50 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Like Tutorials and such.
1:50 AM <Arolia> They managed to babyboom in eRepublik twice.
1:50 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> It'll be a lot easier to keep someone playing if there is more for them to do in the first day.
1:50 AM <iPSiArt> I registered to vpop right now, and I can't even work in my own country :) how, as a new player, would I continue? :D
1:51 AM <Arolia> What is your country?
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> Lithuania
1:51 AM <Arolia> The problem is it's a dead country.
1:51 AM <Arolia> The community simply died.
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> well I could register to it
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> and I did
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> and I can't play
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> so, game lost me too
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> :)
1:51 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> That's fair.
1:51 AM <Arolia> Now we help you
1:51 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Perhaps admins can have unlimited Level 0 jobs?
1:51 AM <iPSiArt> I wouldn't come here if I were new
1:52 AM <iPSiArt> perhaps
1:52 AM <Arolia> China is filled with new players
1:52 AM <Arolia> So is Brasil.
1:52 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> They are talking about have unlimited training battles for new players too.
1:52 AM <Arolia> The problem is that there is no community in Europe
1:52 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> having*
1:52 AM <iPSiArt> small stuff like this are the things that make it work
1:53 AM <Arolia> Poland killed the majoirty
1:53 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> dano19: What was the discussion about training wars? Level 4 or something?
1:53 AM <•Caevus> I believe Klavh said they were addressing the no-job issue with game run businesses giving minimal wages for skill 0 workers.
1:53 AM <iPSiArt> if me, as a new player, can't make it to next level, it's a dead end :)
1:53 AM <Arolia> Move to Sweden.
1:53 AM <Arolia> jimmy86?
1:53 AM <•Caevus> I could be wrong, but that was something that was brought up
1:53 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> I think we should consider a new starting package. Good idea. I'll be bringing it up on the Facebook group momentarily.
1:53 AM <•Caevus> I could, Valkor xD
1:53 AM <Arolia> Not esims
1:53 AM <Arolia> Not esims
1:53 AM <gabieb> esims rules
1:54 AM <Arolia> That is an example of what not to do.
1:54 AM <gabieb> esims rules
1:54 AM <Arolia> :p
1:54 AM <gabieb> xD
1:54 AM <Arolia> Bring citizens from esim here
1:54 AM <•Caevus> Arolia: Why do you say that?
1:54 AM <Arolia> I registered
1:54 AM <Arolia> In an attempt to see if I could recruit anyone
1:54 AM <iPSiArt> well I would play only if I could play for lithuania. If I would have to register to china to play the game, I would not play it at all :D
1:55 AM <Arolia> I was constantly bombarded by welcome messages
1:55 AM <gabieb> iam from e-Sim xD
1:55 AM <gabieb> one friend tell me :P
1:55 AM <Arolia> And gifts
1:55 AM <Arolia> It is too easy
1:55 AM <gabieb> in e-Sim, we helps noobies :p
1:55 AM <Arolia> Too much help
1:55 AM <Arolia> ;_;
1:55 AM <Arolia> It is discouraging when you are flooded by gifts of food and weapons along with the mission rewards.
1:56 AM <gabieb> .t es en pero e-Sim tiene MUCHAS cosas, por lo cual es dificil entender todo rapidamente, y por eso hay que mantener a los nuevas entretenidos
1:56 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] but e-Sim has many things, so difficult is to understand everything faster, and therefore must be kept to the new entertaining
1:56 AM <Arolia> But it makes the game too simple
1:56 AM <Arolia> No challenge to attempt to live.
1:56 AM <gabieb> simple?
1:57 AM <Arolia> It is simple.
1:57 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: I highly doubt that newbie should be challenged to attempt to live :D
1:57 AM <gabieb> .t es en si dejas un ciudadano, solo sin ofertas laborales, sin comida, sin gente, sin tutotial
1:57 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] If you leave a citizen, alone with no job, no food, no people, no tutorial
1:57 AM <gabieb> .t es en como carajos crees que lograra algo
1:57 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] as hell believe it to achieve something
1:57 AM <gabieb> :P
1:57 AM <Arolia> Too much food :p
1:57 AM <iPSiArt> gabieb is true :)
1:57 AM <Arolia> Too many weapons
1:57 AM <Arolia> It is true
1:57 AM <Arolia> But do not hand hold.
1:57 AM <iPSiArt> but yes, the gifts for newbies in e-sim isn't the best solution
1:58 AM <gabieb> here use 5 or 8 weaps i one fight
1:58 AM <Arolia> It is insulting
1:58 AM <gabieb> in e-Sim, 50, 100 or 200
1:58 AM <gabieb> :p
1:58 AM <•Caevus> Arolia, are you talking about the minimum, skill 0 job idea?
1:58 AM <Arolia> No
1:58 AM <Arolia> The random gifts of food and weapons
1:58 AM <Arolia> From everywhere.
1:58 AM <•Caevus> Aaah, yes
1:58 AM <gabieb> .t es en no pretendo que esto sea parecido a e-Sim, pero hay cosas que se podrian adoptar
1:58 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] I do not intend this to be similar to e-Sim, but there are things that you could take
1:58 AM <Arolia> Indeed
1:59 AM <Arolia> The constant war idea is from e-Sim
1:59 AM <•Caevus> Which is a good idea
1:59 AM <gabieb> yes
1:59 AM <Arolia> I am the one who proposed it.
1:59 AM <gabieb> .t es en y es muy buena :p
1:59 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] and is very good: p
1:59 AM <Arolia> Si
1:59 AM <Arolia> :)
1:59 AM <•Caevus> As well, a constant job to fall back on for new players (as I said, minimum wage, skill 0 only)
1:59 AM <Arolia> Yes
1:59 AM <Arolia> e-Sim has good ideas
1:59 AM <gabieb> Arolia in e-SIm, only use food and gift q5
1:59 AM <Arolia> Take the best from all of them
2:00 AM <gabieb> others qualities
2:00 AM <gabieb> .t es en son basura
2:00 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] they are trash
2:00 AM <Arolia> That is bad.
2:00 AM <gabieb> .t es en el tutorial te las cosas suficientes para no aburrirte los primeros dias
2:00 AM <Internets> [t] [from es] the tutorial you things enough not to bore you days
2:00 AM <gabieb> :p
2:00 AM <iPSiArt> constant war idea?
2:00 AM <Arolia> si
2:00 AM <Arolia> What e-sim does
2:01 AM <iPSiArt> that would be what I would call a downside of e-sim :D
2:01 AM <Arolia> I mean for the younger players
2:02 AM <Arolia> As vPopulus is designed, it would be good to have to maintain interest for lvl 1 players
2:02 AM <iPSiArt> younger players should be learned not to go to wars at all without preparation :)
2:02 AM <Arolia> ?
2:02 AM <Arolia> That would be the point of it.
2:02 AM <Arolia> It's a tutorial of combat.
2:02 AM <iPSiArt> as young players don't deal no damage, they just use up the resources they could use to grow
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2:03 AM <Arolia> I think they will be dealing damage.
2:03 AM <Arolia> And increasing their rank.
2:03 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> We're having a discussion about it on the Facebook group right now.
2:03 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Well, I posted a link up.
2:03 AM <iPSiArt> which leads to a very shabby start
2:03 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Hopefully something productive comes out of this to help new players stay interests.
2:03 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> interested*
2:03 AM <Arolia> So that they can contribute immediately.
2:03 AM <Arolia> iPSiArt:
2:03 AM <Arolia> Dealing damage to increase rank.
2:03 AM <Arolia> In these battles.
2:03 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: they wouldn't do damage in fight I mean, they wouldn't be contributing, because the damage is too low
2:04 AM <Arolia> But there could also be a rank incline as well.
2:04 AM <Arolia> Along with strength.
2:04 AM <iPSiArt> they don't need a high rank at start
2:04 AM <Arolia> No
2:04 AM <Arolia> Not too high
2:04 AM <iPSiArt> rank comes when you can fight daily
2:04 AM <iPSiArt> otherwise it's not important
2:04 AM <Arolia> Just good enough to contribute immediately.
2:04 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> Yeah, we try to have daily fighting opportunities available in the vUSA.
2:05 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> I stress to everyone that they should use Q1 guns in all fights.
2:05 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> It's much better than fighting barefisted.
2:05 AM <Arolia> To deal decent damage.
2:05 AM <Arolia> That is fair no?
2:05 AM <iPSiArt> :) well I don't know about vpop, but fighting as a newbie in e-sim is a mistake.
2:05 AM <Arolia> I actually only looked.
2:05 AM <Arolia> Did not fight.
2:06 AM <Arolia> I also joined to learn about e-sim and what could be taken from it.
2:06 AM <Arolia> Do and Don't
2:06 AM <Arolia> The newbie war is a good idea
2:06 AM <iPSiArt> where's the facebook group of vpopulus?
2:06 AM <iPSiArt> :)
2:06 AM <Arolia> But it can be better implemented.
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2:07 AM <Arolia> And with vPopulus's leveling system
2:07 AM <iPSiArt> you could have a tutorial war, that wouldn't be connected to real wars
2:07 AM <Arolia> It might be more effective with us.
2:07 AM <iPSiArt> :)
2:07 AM <Arolia> This is what is proposed.
2:07 AM <Arolia> But as a constant war.
2:08 AM <Arolia> To teach new players who join in all time zones.
2:08 AM <Arolia> Because the biggest problem with hospitals
2:08 AM <Arolia> Is that people either do not use them
2:08 AM <Arolia> Or berserk
2:08 AM <iPSiArt> there's no way to join facebook discussion?
2:08 AM <iPSiArt> :D
2:09 AM <Arolia> Do you have Facebook account?
2:09 AM <•Alexander_Valkor> It's for Collaborators.
2:09 AM <•Caevus> iPSiArt, Facebook discussion is only for Collaborators
2:09 AM <iPSiArt> ah I see
2:09 AM <Arolia> Would you like to become one?
2:09 AM — iPSiArt no colaboratooor
2:09 AM <iPSiArt> :DD
2:09 AM <Arolia> I would be considered one jaja
2:10 AM <Arolia> But I do not Facebook.
2:10 AM <•Caevus> That's up to Klavh, Arolia :P
2:10 AM <Arolia> :p
2:10 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: I feel ya, there are people who do not internet.
2:11 AM <iPSiArt> :>
2:11 AM <Arolia> Maybe we can collaborate in general
2:11 AM <Arolia> :)
2:11 AM <Arolia> You are intelligent
2:12 AM <Arolia> Though one question
2:12 AM <Arolia> Is orbitalix a part of your team?
2:13 AM <iPSiArt> are you asking me?
2:13 AM <Arolia> si
2:13 AM <iPSiArt> I don't know who orbitalix is
2:13 AM <Arolia> We had an arguement about similar things we had a civil discussion on.
2:15 AM <iPSiArt> :)
2:15 AM <Arolia> He said the entire game was terrible.
2:15 AM <Arolia> ;_;
2:15 AM <iPSiArt> well
2:15 AM <iPSiArt> :D
2:16 AM <Arolia> But it is not
2:16 AM <iPSiArt> it's really not good :)
2:16 AM <Arolia> It is good enough
2:16 AM <iPSiArt> vpop?
2:16 AM <Arolia> Si
2:16 AM <iPSiArt> good enough for what?
2:16 AM <Arolia> To play
2:16 AM <iPSiArt> not for me :)
2:16 AM <Arolia> It can be improved of course, but with time.
2:17 AM <Arolia> The major advantage of the game
2:17 AM <Arolia> And the reason it is copied
2:17 AM <Arolia> Is because it is easy to simply work and train if that is all you want to do.
2:17 AM <Arolia> Two-clicking
2:18 AM <iPSiArt> how many people do you know, who "wants" to two-click? :)
2:18 AM <Arolia> Many
2:18 AM <iPSiArt> those who were not playing erepublik
2:18 AM <Arolia> Not everyone has the time to truly become involved with the community.
2:18 AM <Arolia> So that is why work/train is so copied
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> the idea of it not taking loads of time is good
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> but there's nothing more to do, that's the problem
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> if I want to do something more
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> I can't :)
2:19 AM <Arolia> You can if you make the effort to look.
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> and what can I do?
2:19 AM <iPSiArt> chat with people?
2:20 AM <iPSiArt> that's all there is in the game on my first day? :)
2:20 AM <Arolia> Fight is possible.
2:20 AM <Arolia> Or will be.
2:20 AM <Arolia> Maybe work twice a day if you want
2:20 AM <iPSiArt> twice a day?
2:20 AM <Arolia> If that becomes possible.
2:20 AM <Arolia> si
2:20 AM <Arolia> It's an idea that has been proposed.
2:20 AM <iPSiArt> that's not fixing the problem :D
2:21 AM <iPSiArt> just probably creating economic problems
2:21 AM <iPSiArt> anyways, if you want to, I can let you know when public testing starts with my game.
2:21 AM <Arolia> ok
2:21 AM <iPSiArt> of course I don't know if you'll like it, since it's not erep v1 clone :)
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2:21 AM <Arolia> I might
2:22 AM <Arolia> Beginning as a clone does not mean you will remain a clone.
2:22 AM <iPSiArt> you can leave me your email, i'll write you.
2:22 AM <Arolia> I am usually here
2:22 AM <iPSiArt> Arolia: 99% it does
2:22 AM <Arolia> 1% it does not.
2:22 AM <iPSiArt> well, I might not be here.
2:22 AM <iPSiArt> :D
2:23 AM <iPSiArt> 1% is an exception, not a rule :)
2:23 AM <Arolia> There have been no exceptions yet
2:23 AM <Arolia> It is always a possibility.
2:23 AM <iPSiArt> so it's a rule that if you start being a clone, you remain one x)
2:24 AM <Arolia> At least in perception
2:24 AM <Arolia> But rules are meant to be broken.
2:24 AM <Arolia> And you never know
2:24 AM <Arolia> This conversation may have been the necessary influence :p
2:24 AM <iPSiArt> if you want to, you can leave your email in PM to me
2:25 AM <iPSiArt> I highly doubt admins will read it all
2:25 AM <iPSiArt> :D
2:25 AM <•dano19> how do you know i am not reading it right now?
2:26 AM <Arolia> They are very receptive to players to the point where they allow us referendums
2:26 AM <Arolia> Different from any other game.
2:27 AM <iPSiArt> okay, good to hear then
2:32 AM <iPSiArt> gtg2sleep
2:32 AM <iPSiArt> cya ;)
2:32 AM <•Caevus> o/