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  1. [21:02:32] snake_rattler: heaaaaaal
  2. [21:09:04] snake_rattler: heaaaaaal
  3. [21:15:35] snake_rattler: calling activity on user: HeaLnDeaL
  4. [21:16:18] #HeaLnDeaL: hi
  5. [21:16:41] #HeaLnDeaL: kk
  6. [21:16:59] #HeaLnDeaL: so with deck's recent bit about LO dmg
  7. [21:17:26] #HeaLnDeaL: I really think getting an uninvested HP number ending in a 9 is ideal
  8. [21:17:33] snake_rattler: yeah
  9. [21:17:44] #HeaLnDeaL: which means that having a base stat end in 4 or 9 is the way to go
  10. [21:17:52] snake_rattler: or one that ends in 8 to drop the dump 4 evs into
  11. [21:17:57] #HeaLnDeaL: also, the lower our HP, the less we take from recoil
  12. [21:18:16] snake_rattler: and the more we heal from drain punch
  13. [21:18:38] #HeaLnDeaL: I don't want to go *too* low however
  14. [21:18:44] #HeaLnDeaL: I think 74 is the absolute lowest
  15. [21:18:51] #HeaLnDeaL: 89 proll absolute highest
  16. [21:19:05] #HeaLnDeaL: 74, 79, 84, 89 = the options then
  17. [21:19:12] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean we could go 69
  18. [21:19:20] #HeaLnDeaL: but I tried that last CAP for the lols
  19. [21:19:25] #HeaLnDeaL: and narrowing lost
  20. [21:19:31] #HeaLnDeaL: so prolly not the best idea
  21. [21:20:09] snake_rattler: hm
  22. [21:20:24] snake_rattler: lower hp sounds kinda nice if we back it up with higher defense
  23. [21:20:59] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
  24. [21:21:33] snake_rattler: what about speed and special attack?
  25. [21:21:45] snake_rattler: i saw your post and i agree 115-120 is a good range
  26. [21:22:10] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah anywhere in 115-120 I'm fine with
  27. [21:23:01] snake_rattler: so its cawm
  28. [21:23:03] #HeaLnDeaL: 119 outspeeds caw without outspeed whatever other rare 120 speed mons exist (lol at base sceptile)
  29. [21:23:46] snake_rattler: yeah i'd rather outspeed cawm
  30. [21:25:02] #HeaLnDeaL: I want enough special bulk to survive tomo's air slash after rocks with a naive nature, and if we can survive rocks and one LO then it's a bonus
  31. [21:25:20] #HeaLnDeaL: sp atk is the stat I have... the most unformed opinions on tbh
  32. [21:25:34] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean, I don't want "too high"
  33. [21:25:40] #HeaLnDeaL: and I think for sure 125 is too high
  34. [21:25:52] #HeaLnDeaL: but I don't have a solid number in my head yet of what too high is
  35. [21:26:48] snake_rattler: do you want a mixed cap?
  36. [21:26:54] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean, I definitely don't want to threaten bulky mollux with HP ground if we can avoid that
  37. [21:27:30] #HeaLnDeaL: I'm fine with a mixed CAP yeah. I don't think it's needed, but I'm perfectly fine with it, and I think being mixed helps make focus blast a more viable set option
  38. [21:27:58] snake_rattler: its just if we aren't mixed, we don't have to force ourselves into a naive nature
  39. [21:28:10] snake_rattler: because realistically, we don't want to be just shy of air slash not koing us
  40. [21:28:28] snake_rattler: we'll be taking life orb damage and sr damage
  41. [21:29:35] #HeaLnDeaL: well, wut do you think regarding mixed
  42. [21:29:50] snake_rattler: honestly i don't agree with Korski's super high special attack
  43. [21:29:53] snake_rattler: unless we axe focus blast
  44. [21:30:10] snake_rattler: colo is threatened by both of our stabs
  45. [21:30:37] snake_rattler: can i say something that kinda poll jumps but i want cap22 to have?
  46. [21:31:18] #HeaLnDeaL: sure
  47. [21:31:38] snake_rattler: i really think CAP22 will have access to taunt
  48. [21:32:02] #HeaLnDeaL: that's a reasonable move
  49. [21:32:19] #HeaLnDeaL: so your argument is with taunt, we don't need to be mixed?
  50. [21:32:29] snake_rattler: yeah
  51. [21:32:34] snake_rattler: colo gets threatened by our stabs
  52. [21:32:40] snake_rattler: and chansey gets shut down by taunt
  53. [21:32:47] snake_rattler: i mean we get hit a lot with seismic toss
  54. [21:33:03] snake_rattler: in which case more HP would be better if we don't want drain punch
  55. [21:34:09] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
  56. [21:34:29] #HeaLnDeaL: also, just found this: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Plasmanta: 322-380 (99.3 - 117.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO (at 115 sp atk)
  57. [21:34:38] #HeaLnDeaL: makes me think 115 might be a lil high
  58. [21:34:57] snake_rattler: hnngg
  59. [21:35:23] snake_rattler: if we give cap22 a little bit of bulk
  60. [21:35:45] snake_rattler: so it can live some rounds of life orb or stealth rock and still take some hits
  61. [21:35:50] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh, even at 105 it still KOs manta 58% of the time... seems not worth it to go lower just for manta
  62. [21:35:50] snake_rattler: while having a lower special attack stat
  63. [21:36:18] snake_rattler: axe hidden power y/n
  64. [21:37:13] #HeaLnDeaL: sadly not something we can do
  65. [21:37:33] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess focusing on mollux and HP ground is best...
  66. [21:37:34] #HeaLnDeaL: or cruci
  67. [21:37:42] #HeaLnDeaL: both more specially bulky than manta
  68. [21:37:46] snake_rattler: yeah
  69. [21:38:05] snake_rattler: would manta be able to stomach 2 hits from CAP22 anyways?
  70. [21:38:28] #HeaLnDeaL: no it can't even stomach 1
  71. [21:38:32] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Crucibelle: 338-400 (95.4 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
  72. [21:38:42] #HeaLnDeaL: at 115 sp atk, that's wut we do to base cruci
  73. [21:38:53] snake_rattler: what about mega?
  74. [21:39:17] #HeaLnDeaL: oh wait that's at 105 sp atk, forgot to change back
  75. [21:39:42] snake_rattler: o
  76. [21:39:42] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crucibelle: 244-291 (68.9 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO @105
  77. [21:40:05] snake_rattler: does 105 KO notable stuff?
  78. [21:40:11] snake_rattler: that we want to KO?
  79. [21:40:23] #HeaLnDeaL: idk, still have a ton of calcs to do
  80. [21:40:35] #HeaLnDeaL: lemme look at serp, since I think we should threaten serp
  81. [21:40:45] snake_rattler: 252 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tomohawk: 416-494 (100.4 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  82. [21:40:50] snake_rattler: 105 is the magic number
  83. [21:41:36] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Serperior: 243-289 (83.5 - 99.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (at 115)
  84. [21:41:58] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Serperior: 230-270 (79 - 92.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock @105
  85. [21:43:03] snake_rattler: hm
  86. [21:43:31] +cbrevan: o
  87. [21:43:32] +cbrevan: hi
  88. [21:43:33] #HeaLnDeaL: off to keldeo
  89. [21:43:37] snake_rattler: secondary ability sap sipper y/n
  90. [21:44:05] #HeaLnDeaL: actually... that would be baller
  91. [21:44:12] #HeaLnDeaL: but would make magi win art
  92. [21:44:46] #HeaLnDeaL: ye we wreck keldeo no matter wut... should have been obvious
  93. [21:45:30] #HeaLnDeaL: I think 115 is a safe number for serp... just not sure wut else it does
  94. [21:45:35] #HeaLnDeaL: calcs are annoying x.x
  95. [21:45:58] snake_rattler: 115 makes hp ground difficult
  96. [21:46:01] snake_rattler: its not calcs
  97. [21:46:03] snake_rattler: its hp ground
  98. [21:46:15] #HeaLnDeaL: 115 is... okay with HP ground imo
  99. [21:46:30] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean it doesn't OHKO mega cruci or tank mollux
  100. [21:46:52] snake_rattler: plasmanta is a lost cause
  101. [21:46:55] #HeaLnDeaL: it gets plasmanta, but we have to be 100 or lower to make plasmanta not get KOed, and that's too low
  102. [21:47:16] #HeaLnDeaL: wut other 4x weak ground mons do we have?
  103. [21:47:39] #HeaLnDeaL: oooh zard
  104. [21:47:47] #HeaLnDeaL: not 4x ground weak
  105. [21:47:59] snake_rattler: heatran but it gets hit by fighting stab
  106. [21:48:01] #HeaLnDeaL: but we need to calc moonblasts vs zard
  107. [21:48:10] snake_rattler: zard x?
  108. [21:48:45] snake_rattler: 252 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 212-251 (71.3 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  109. [21:48:48] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 82-97 (27.6 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  110. [21:48:49] snake_rattler: 115
  111. [21:48:53] snake_rattler: o
  112. [21:48:55] snake_rattler: zard y
  113. [21:49:02] #HeaLnDeaL: well both zards matter tbh
  114. [21:49:16] snake_rattler: well zard y has good ST
  115. [21:49:32] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 125-148 (42 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock @115
  116. [21:49:36] #HeaLnDeaL: tbh
  117. [21:49:42] #HeaLnDeaL: that's great with the talon calc
  118. [21:49:48] #HeaLnDeaL: we got something korski doesn't
  119. [21:49:57] #HeaLnDeaL: we don't murder flame after rocks
  120. [21:50:18] #HeaLnDeaL: flame can switch into us and roost stall
  121. [21:51:22] snake_rattler: what about with focus blast
  122. [21:51:27] #HeaLnDeaL: oh..
  123. [21:51:29] #HeaLnDeaL: crap
  124. [21:51:46] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 159-187 (53.5 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  125. [21:51:54] #HeaLnDeaL: rip
  126. [21:52:15] snake_rattler: this is why i want to axe focus blast
  127. [21:52:17] snake_rattler: so badly
  128. [21:52:31] #HeaLnDeaL: x.x
  129. [21:52:47] #HeaLnDeaL: we axe focus blast, and we can't KO caw
  130. [21:53:00] #HeaLnDeaL: we axe focus blast, we should be slower than caw
  131. [21:53:01] snake_rattler: we don't axe focus blast
  132. [21:53:01] snake_rattler: we eat the meta
  133. [21:53:26] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean
  134. [21:53:42] #HeaLnDeaL: if you want to make a spread that's specifically anti-focus blast
  135. [21:53:44] #HeaLnDeaL: we can do it
  136. [21:53:54] #HeaLnDeaL: it's just if we do so, we need to be slower than caw
  137. [21:54:02] snake_rattler: i guess not
  138. [21:54:06] snake_rattler: i mean that calc against tflame isn't bad
  139. [21:54:10] snake_rattler: it just roosts a bunch
  140. [21:54:16] snake_rattler: CAP22 inevitably misses
  141. [21:54:20] #HeaLnDeaL: oh ye
  142. [21:54:24] #HeaLnDeaL: very true
  143. [21:54:49] #HeaLnDeaL: so if we hold the flame calc to be pertinent
  144. [21:54:57] #HeaLnDeaL: we know we can't possible go over 115
  145. [21:55:10] #HeaLnDeaL: and we hold the hawk calc pertinent, and we know we can't go lower than 105
  146. [21:55:30] #HeaLnDeaL: so we've established our range
  147. [21:55:39] snake_rattler: right
  148. [21:55:42] #HeaLnDeaL: 115 deals with serp the best on that range
  149. [21:55:48] #HeaLnDeaL: but there's more mons to consider
  150. [21:55:57] #HeaLnDeaL: anything else we should calc for?
  151. [21:55:57] snake_rattler: x / x / x / 105 - 115 / x / 119 - 120
  152. [21:56:11] snake_rattler: how hard to mega cruci get hit by focus blast?
  153. [21:56:32] #HeaLnDeaL: x4 or x9 / x / x/ 105-115 / x / 119-120
  154. [21:56:59] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crucibelle: 192-227 (54.2 - 64.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO @ 115
  155. [21:57:16] snake_rattler: hm
  156. [21:57:29] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Crucibelle: 212-251 (59.8 - 70.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO @100 (just posting because that's wut was in my calc still)
  157. [21:57:52] snake_rattler: that's if we go mixed
  158. [21:58:21] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
  159. [21:58:27] #HeaLnDeaL: which we might not want to do
  160. [21:58:31] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crucibelle: 260-307 (73.4 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  161. [21:58:35] snake_rattler: man i wish we went rock head for cruci
  162. [21:59:08] #HeaLnDeaL: you mean base or mega?
  163. [22:00:09] #HeaLnDeaL: well, the dnc is on rn so ima be preoccupied
  164. [22:01:17] snake_rattler: dnc?
  165. [22:01:18] snake_rattler: o
  166. [22:01:31] snake_rattler: for mega on rock head cruci
  167. [22:05:32] #HeaLnDeaL: anyway, anything else you think we should calc sp atk against?
  168. [22:05:50] snake_rattler: hm
  169. [22:05:56] snake_rattler: skarm
  170. [22:05:56] snake_rattler: maybe
  171. [22:06:28] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 312-368 (93.4 - 110.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock @115
  172. [22:07:01] snake_rattler: is SpD Skarm still a thing?
  173. [22:07:11] #HeaLnDeaL: it is... rarer
  174. [22:08:04] +cbrevan: spd skarm was really just to get around cruci/mega garde
  175. [22:08:17] +cbrevan: jirachi has pretty much taken over that niche
  176. [22:08:28] snake_rattler: 252 SpA Life Orb Clefable Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Volkraken: 234-277 (68.4 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  177. [22:09:06] snake_rattler: 115
  178. [22:09:07] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 234-277 (68.6 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  179. [22:09:11] #HeaLnDeaL: 115
  180. [22:09:31] snake_rattler: what about aura sphere
  181. [22:10:09] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Aura Sphere vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 156-185 (45.7 - 54.2%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  182. [22:10:29] snake_rattler: that's good enough
  183. [22:10:29] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Jirachi: 173-204 (42.8 - 50.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
  184. [22:10:50] snake_rattler: wait
  185. [22:10:56] snake_rattler: oh hm
  186. [22:11:02] #HeaLnDeaL: all 115
  187. [22:11:56] #HeaLnDeaL: if we want to go under 50 for sp def jirachi
  188. [22:12:10] #HeaLnDeaL: it's 112
  189. [22:12:24] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Jirachi: 169-200 (41.8 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
  190. [22:12:31] snake_rattler: oh wait
  191. [22:12:40] snake_rattler: there isn't a verdict on neutral steels
  192. [22:13:05] #HeaLnDeaL: I personally think we should lose to jirachi and metagross
  193. [22:13:09] #HeaLnDeaL: ooh, metagross
  194. [22:13:23] snake_rattler: i think it should be hard to get metagross in
  195. [22:13:37] snake_rattler: but once its in, bp hurts us a lot
  196. [22:13:38] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Metagross: 212-251 (70.4 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  197. [22:14:27] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean BP doesn't KO I think
  198. [22:14:49] #HeaLnDeaL: does like 70
  199. [22:17:10] snake_rattler: sr and life orb damage though
  200. [22:17:22] snake_rattler: CAP22 will be at ~90% if it hits mmeta on the switch
  201. [22:17:24] snake_rattler: at best
  202. [22:17:50] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean it's just not safe for metagross to switch in
  203. [22:18:05] #HeaLnDeaL: especially since
  204. [22:18:11] #HeaLnDeaL: it's not mega sometimes
  205. [22:18:54] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 251-296 (83.3 - 98.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock @112
  206. [22:19:15] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 255-302 (84.7 - 100.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock @115
  207. [22:19:36] snake_rattler: hm
  208. [22:20:11] snake_rattler: i'm in the belief that CAP22 should be able to hit mmeta on the switch in but then mmeta should be able to take off a large amount of CAP22's health once it gets in
  209. [22:20:56] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean I completely agree we should hi it hard if it switches in
  210. [22:21:12] #HeaLnDeaL: but I'm saying a good metagross player WON'T switch into an attack
  211. [22:21:26] snake_rattler: oh yeah
  212. [22:21:26] #HeaLnDeaL: unless it's desparate/ unless CAP is weakened
  213. [22:21:49] snake_rattler: a good player would switch into moonblast
  214. [22:22:02] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh tim kaine is sounding so corny rn
  215. [22:22:39] #HeaLnDeaL: his stutter is annoying me x.x
  216. [22:23:36] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean he sounds like a decent guy to talk to, just not good with speeches
  217. [22:25:20] snake_rattler: i don't keep up with politics that much
  218. [22:31:10] #HeaLnDeaL: so where is you head at rn?
  219. [22:31:22] #HeaLnDeaL: &your
  220. [22:32:33] snake_rattler: wait what?
  221. [22:32:36] snake_rattler: for cap22?
  222. [22:32:39] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah
  223. [22:32:42] #HeaLnDeaL: cap22
  224. [22:32:42] snake_rattler: hm
  225. [22:32:57] snake_rattler: i think living tomo's air slash is good
  226. [22:33:22] snake_rattler: but i think it'd be wise to consider that CAP22 might be taking rounds of life orb damage and sr damage
  227. [22:33:42] #HeaLnDeaL: so sr and 2 rounds of sr?
  228. [22:33:51] #HeaLnDeaL: *2 rounds of lo
  229. [22:34:31] snake_rattler: imo 2 rounds of sr and one lo
  230. +cbrevan left
  231. [22:36:02] #HeaLnDeaL: okay
  232. [22:36:27] snake_rattler: i mean that makes more sense
  233. [22:36:33] snake_rattler: cap 22 switches in, takes sr
  234. [22:36:37] snake_rattler: deals an attack
  235. [22:36:39] snake_rattler: switches out
  236. [22:36:53] snake_rattler: needs to switch into rocks again but has to stomach tomo's air slash
  237. [22:38:38] #HeaLnDeaL: my calcs are showing me 79 HP, 93 sp def to survive 2 SRs and 1 LO 100% of the time
  238. [22:39:07] snake_rattler: how much hp does 79HP give us?
  239. [22:39:18] #HeaLnDeaL: wait I'm a bit off
  240. [22:39:21] snake_rattler: hm
  241. [22:39:31] snake_rattler: 79 HP gives us 299
  242. [22:39:47] #HeaLnDeaL: 79 / 90 works
  243. [22:40:03] snake_rattler: i'm worried about seismic toss from chansey with that 299 hp
  244. [22:40:06] #HeaLnDeaL: 299 gives us 29 LO recoil, so I lowered HP IVs to 2
  245. [22:40:12] #HeaLnDeaL: oh
  246. [22:40:20] #HeaLnDeaL: we can go up to 84 then
  247. [22:40:28] snake_rattler: that might be better
  248. [22:41:11] #HeaLnDeaL: 84 HP, 87 sp def
  249. [22:41:31] #HeaLnDeaL: I lowered IVs of HP to 1, since 30 = LO dmg
  250. [22:41:47] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Tomohawk Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario: 204-242 (73.1 - 86.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  251. [22:42:06] snake_rattler: wait what's the lowering HP IVs for?
  252. [22:42:09] snake_rattler: oh
  253. [22:42:10] #HeaLnDeaL: 12.5 % = 2 SR
  254. [22:42:25] snake_rattler: that looks good
  255. [22:42:29] #HeaLnDeaL: lowering HP IVs was just simulated LO loss
  256. [22:42:32] snake_rattler: yeah
  257. [22:43:16] snake_rattler: wait shouldn't CAP22 have 77.5% HP at that point
  258. [22:43:24] #HeaLnDeaL: 84 / 87 = 133/134 ST
  259. [22:43:28] #HeaLnDeaL: wut's the ST max?
  260. [22:43:50] #HeaLnDeaL: snake, the reduction of the IVs simulated the LO 10%
  261. [22:43:53] snake_rattler: 135
  262. [22:44:03] snake_rattler: ok...
  263. [22:44:04] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so we're still under the limit thank god
  264. [22:44:10] snake_rattler: woo
  265. [22:45:28] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Tomohawk Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario: 204-242 (66.2 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  266. [22:45:35] #HeaLnDeaL: this is with the IVs added back
  267. [22:46:05] #HeaLnDeaL: but because 84 is a life orb number, that 78.5% is okay
  268. [22:46:16] #HeaLnDeaL: I think...
  269. [22:46:26] snake_rattler: CAP22 will be at 77.5 though after one round of LO and SR
  270. [22:46:35] snake_rattler: i guess it doesn't matter since we're hitting the limit
  271. [22:46:42] #HeaLnDeaL: it will be slightly over 77.5 because of LO number
  272. [22:47:04] #HeaLnDeaL: keep in mind, the SR and LO numbers we take will be slightly less than 12.5% and 10% respecitively
  273. [22:47:24] #HeaLnDeaL: I can get hard numbers tho, would be better
  274. [22:47:25] snake_rattler: ohhh
  275. [22:47:28] snake_rattler: nvm
  276. [22:48:03] #HeaLnDeaL: so at 309%
  277. [22:48:08] #HeaLnDeaL: 309 HP...
  278. [22:48:11] snake_rattler: rip
  279. [22:48:58] #HeaLnDeaL: 309 / 16 = 19.3125
  280. [22:49:07] #HeaLnDeaL: so we take 19 HP from 1 SR
  281. [22:49:12] snake_rattler: 290
  282. [22:49:18] #HeaLnDeaL: and 38 HP from 2 SRs
  283. [22:49:23] #HeaLnDeaL: so 271
  284. [22:49:30] #HeaLnDeaL: then 30
  285. [22:49:33] #HeaLnDeaL: form LO
  286. [22:49:36] #HeaLnDeaL: so 241
  287. [22:49:52] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Tomohawk Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario: 204-242 (66 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  288. [22:49:52] #HeaLnDeaL: (204, 206, 210, 212, 216, 216, 218, 222, 224, 228, 228, 230, 234, 236, 240, 242
  289. [22:49:59] #HeaLnDeaL: ah okay, so 242 is over 241
  290. [22:50:14] #HeaLnDeaL: so let's buff up to 88 sp def
  291. [22:50:43] snake_rattler: we're under the limit still
  292. [22:50:47] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh
  293. [22:50:56] #HeaLnDeaL: there's is literally no change from 87 to 88
  294. [22:51:00] #HeaLnDeaL: in the calc
  295. [22:51:04] snake_rattler: blah
  296. [22:51:14] #HeaLnDeaL: but
  297. [22:51:16] snake_rattler: 89 pushes us over
  298. [22:51:20] #HeaLnDeaL: if we're 88 with 4 EVs
  299. [22:51:22] #HeaLnDeaL: it works
  300. [22:51:31] snake_rattler: oh
  301. [22:51:35] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Tomohawk Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 204-240 (66 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  302. [22:51:35] #HeaLnDeaL: (204, 204, 206, 210, 212, 216, 216, 218, 222, 224, 228, 228, 230, 234, 236, 240)
  303. [22:51:40] snake_rattler: hooray dump evs
  304. [22:51:43] #HeaLnDeaL: 240 under 241, so we live
  305. [22:51:57] snake_rattler: i think that's good
  306. [22:52:18] snake_rattler: do you think its a good idea to have such high ST?
  307. [22:52:33] #HeaLnDeaL: yes
  308. [22:52:41] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean lemme calc vs mollux and stuff still
  309. [22:52:48] #HeaLnDeaL: over even defensive manta
  310. [22:53:18] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Plasmanta Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 270-320 (87.3 - 103.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
  311. [22:53:44] #HeaLnDeaL: 0 SpA Mollux Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 288-338 (93.2 - 109.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
  312. [22:53:59] snake_rattler: is defensive manta a thing
  313. [22:54:00] #HeaLnDeaL: so after our LO dmg, they ko us
  314. [22:54:10] #HeaLnDeaL: well manta is general is very rare
  315. [22:54:32] #HeaLnDeaL: but if a 0 sp atk psn mon can KO us, I think we're not TOO bulky
  316. [22:54:47] snake_rattler: yeah
  317. [22:55:44] #HeaLnDeaL: so we're at 84/x/x/105-115/88/119-120
  318. [22:55:46] snake_rattler: so now we're at 84 / x / x / 105 - 115 / x / 119 - 120
  319. [22:55:47] snake_rattler: o
  320. [22:55:57] snake_rattler: i forgot SpD
  321. [22:55:57] snake_rattler: yeah
  322. [22:56:00] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
  323. [22:56:44] #HeaLnDeaL: wut physical attacks to we want to survive / wut physical attacks do we want to lose to
  324. [22:57:08] snake_rattler: hm
  325. [22:57:18] snake_rattler: tflame is a given
  326. [22:57:24] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
  327. [22:57:43] snake_rattler: AV Colo EQ
  328. [22:57:59] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean all spreads do that
  329. [22:58:04] snake_rattler: o right
  330. [22:58:06] #HeaLnDeaL: think smaller
  331. [22:58:22] snake_rattler: lvl 5 Diglett EQ?
  332. [22:58:22] #HeaLnDeaL: like do we want to be 2hkoed by cb azu's ajet or not
  333. [22:58:28] snake_rattler: hm
  334. [22:58:34] #HeaLnDeaL: like if we want to be koed by skarm's bb
  335. [22:59:23] snake_rattler: i don't think we want to be KOed by Skarm's bb
  336. [23:00:06] snake_rattler: 84 / 79 does that
  337. [23:00:42] #HeaLnDeaL: after one SR, it needs to be 84 / 86
  338. [23:01:02] snake_rattler: o you beat me to that
  339. [23:01:16] #HeaLnDeaL: 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lucario: 135-160 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO
  340. [23:01:23] #HeaLnDeaL: at 84/86 for above
  341. [23:01:48] #HeaLnDeaL: so it's feasible for us to survive with a bit more
  342. [23:01:51] snake_rattler: we're supposed to be threatened by priority
  343. [23:01:53] #HeaLnDeaL: but dunno if we *want* to
  344. [23:01:56] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah
  345. [23:02:26] #HeaLnDeaL: 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lucario: 135-160 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 68.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  346. [23:02:48] #HeaLnDeaL: so with SR, and 84/86, we still lose to azu's ajet the majority of the time
  347. [23:02:53] snake_rattler: and life orb recoil
  348. [23:03:01] #HeaLnDeaL: after lo we ded ye
  349. [23:03:13] snake_rattler: we're ok against random eqs too
  350. [23:03:18] #HeaLnDeaL: yup
  351. [23:03:28] snake_rattler: 252 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 424-502 (101.6 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  352. [23:03:32] #HeaLnDeaL: anything else we want to survive / not survive?
  353. [23:03:33] snake_rattler: 115 SpA
  354. [23:03:36] snake_rattler: js
  355. [23:04:19] snake_rattler: lets check mzor, bandzor, and mmeta
  356. [23:04:19] #HeaLnDeaL: 114 is the lowest we can go while still staying over 100% for chomp
  357. [23:04:32] snake_rattler: so 112 is safe for rachi
  358. [23:04:37] snake_rattler: and 114 is safe for garchomp
  359. [23:04:58] #HeaLnDeaL: well tbh that rachi set usually has leftovers
  360. [23:05:03] snake_rattler: 113 happy medium
  361. [23:05:11] #HeaLnDeaL: so it could survive more
  362. [23:05:13] snake_rattler: yeah
  363. [23:05:22] #HeaLnDeaL: just if lefties get knocked off
  364. [23:05:34] snake_rattler: what's the problem with 115?
  365. [23:05:52] #HeaLnDeaL: nothing's wrong with 115
  366. [23:05:59] #HeaLnDeaL: 115 was the max number
  367. [23:06:14] #HeaLnDeaL: ... trying to remember why 116 was bad tho
  368. [23:06:15] snake_rattler: so either 114 or 115 now
  369. [23:06:17] snake_rattler: tflame
  370. [23:06:21] #HeaLnDeaL: oh yeah
  371. [23:06:37] #HeaLnDeaL: k, 114 or 115
  372. [23:06:38] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
  373. [23:08:30] snake_rattler: 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 210-248 (67.9 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  374. [23:08:36] snake_rattler: 84 / 86
  375. [23:08:41] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah
  376. [23:09:22] snake_rattler: 84 Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 222-264 (71.8 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  377. [23:09:41] #HeaLnDeaL: who runs 84 atk scizor
  378. [23:09:46] snake_rattler: 252 Atk Talonflame Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 296-350 (95.7 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  379. [23:09:55] snake_rattler: that was in the calc for bulky sd scizor for cap
  380. [23:10:10] #HeaLnDeaL: who wrote that ana... was it you?
  381. [23:10:51] snake_rattler: uh no
  382. [23:11:05] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
  383. [23:11:24] snake_rattler: 176 Special Defense EVs let Mega Scizor avoid getting 2HKOed by Mega Gardevoir's Focus Blast and set up on Mega Diancie variants lacking Hidden Power Fire.
  384. [23:11:29] snake_rattler: from the analysis
  385. [23:12:05] #HeaLnDeaL: aight seems decent enuff
  386. [23:12:26] snake_rattler: that tflame calc bothers me
  387. [23:12:35] snake_rattler: but i guess CAP22 will die anyways
  388. [23:12:51] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean it KOes cap after 1 round of sr
  389. [23:13:12] #HeaLnDeaL: and CAP can't ohko back
  390. [23:13:32] snake_rattler: yeah
  391. [23:13:33] snake_rattler: nvm
  392. [23:13:35] #HeaLnDeaL: and even without sr, it's like wut, 75% chance?
  393. [23:13:46] snake_rattler: yeah
  394. [23:13:50] snake_rattler: nvm
  395. [23:13:55] #HeaLnDeaL: CAP is just flat out not staying in if it has the option to hard switch
  396. [23:14:35] #HeaLnDeaL: against tflame
  397. [23:14:56] snake_rattler: yeah
  398. [23:15:31] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt garchomp
  399. • OUGarchomp Sand VeilRough SkinHP
  400. 108Atk
  401. 130Def
  402. 95SpA
  403. 80SpD
  404. 85Spe
  405. 102BST
  406. 600
  407. •
  408. Dex#: 445 |  Gen: 4 |  Height: 1.9 m |  Weight: 95 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Blue |  Egg Group(s): Monster, Dragon |  Does Not Evolve
  409. /ds hp=108, all:
  410. Garchomp, Hippowdon, Zygarde
  411. [23:15:52] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt zygarde
  412. • BLZygarde Aura BreakHP
  413. 108Atk
  414. 100Def
  415. 121SpA
  416. 81SpD
  417. 95Spe
  418. 95BST
  419. 600
  420. •
  421. Dex#: 718 |  Gen: 6 |  Height: 5 m |  Weight: 305 kg (120 BP) |  Dex Colour: Green |  Egg Group(s):Undiscovered |  Does Not Evolve
  422. [23:16:36] snake_rattler: ?
  423. [23:16:40] #HeaLnDeaL: sorry
  424. [23:17:02] #HeaLnDeaL: I was looking for mons a tiny bit stronger or weaker specially defensively than garchomp
  425. [23:17:31] #HeaLnDeaL: zygarde is too much more though, sadly
  426. [23:17:45] #HeaLnDeaL: however
  427. [23:17:48] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
  428. [23:17:50] #HeaLnDeaL: nvm
  429. [23:18:04] snake_rattler: well tank chomp has those evs
  430. [23:18:51] #HeaLnDeaL: ye but the coil zygarde set has even more special bulk
  431. [23:19:03] #HeaLnDeaL: but zygarde is not seen anyway so doesn't matter
  432. [23:19:23] snake_rattler: hm i think 84 / 86 is good
  433. [23:19:31] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 SpA Life Orb Lucario Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 188+ SpD Heatran: 338-400 (87.5 - 103.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  434. [23:19:31] #HeaLnDeaL: (338, 343, 346, 351, 354, 359, 361, 367, 369, 374, 377, 382, 385, 390, 393, 400)
  435. [23:19:37] #HeaLnDeaL: that's at 114
  436. [23:20:09] #HeaLnDeaL: 113 is actually the min to KO after SR
  437. [23:20:15] snake_rattler: so it doesn't matter if its 114 or 115 yet
  438. [23:20:20] #HeaLnDeaL: correct
  439. [23:20:34] snake_rattler: maybe it'll help our bst be a round number
  440. [23:20:56] #HeaLnDeaL: well we're -atk
  441. [23:21:06] #HeaLnDeaL: so our atk will make our bst a round number
  442. [23:21:09] snake_rattler: oh right
  443. [23:21:42] snake_rattler: should we keep trying to figure out if there's any difference?
  444. [23:21:54] #HeaLnDeaL: seems a bit pointless
  445. [23:22:01] #HeaLnDeaL: we should just pick one :s
  446. [23:22:14] #HeaLnDeaL: same with speed
  447. [23:22:23] #HeaLnDeaL: !ds speed=120
  448. Alakazam, Arceus, Dugtrio, Salamence-Mega, Sceptile
  449. [23:22:38] snake_rattler: do we want to tie with alakazam?
  450. [23:22:52] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean none of those mons are significant
  451. [23:23:02] snake_rattler: but out of those alakazam is the most imo
  452. [23:23:32] #HeaLnDeaL: well, the only zams these days are megas
  453. [23:23:37] #HeaLnDeaL: and they are super rare
  454. [23:23:51] #HeaLnDeaL: tbh... I think we should lose to zam
  455. [23:24:02] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean, strong psychic type vs a fighting type
  456. [23:24:07] #HeaLnDeaL: seems like we should lose
  457. [23:24:15] snake_rattler: yeah
  458. [23:24:50] #HeaLnDeaL: so you want 119?
  459. [23:24:53] snake_rattler: yeah
  460. [23:24:56] #HeaLnDeaL: k
  461. [23:25:14] snake_rattler: 84 / x / 86 / 115 / 88 / 119
  462. [23:25:38] #HeaLnDeaL: 84 / x / 86 / 114-115 / 88 / 119
  463. [23:25:45] #HeaLnDeaL: oh did you pick 115?
  464. [23:26:00] snake_rattler: well if you want 114 we can do it
  465. [23:26:22] snake_rattler: i mean it really doesn't matter
  466. [23:26:45] #HeaLnDeaL: naw, we'll go with wut you pick
  467. [23:27:19] snake_rattler: alright so we're sitting at 492 BST
  468. [23:28:07] snake_rattler: 58 Atk puts us at 550
  469. [23:28:20] #HeaLnDeaL: does 492 count 115 or 114?
  470. [23:28:25] snake_rattler: 115
  471. [23:28:29] #HeaLnDeaL: aight
  472. [23:28:45] #HeaLnDeaL: I think a shit low atk is a bit of bsr abuse
  473. [23:29:08] snake_rattler: oh wait bsr
  474. [23:29:24] #HeaLnDeaL: ?
  475. [23:29:38] #HeaLnDeaL: max bsr is 340
  476. [23:29:55] snake_rattler: yeah i forgot about it tbh
  477. [23:30:00] #HeaLnDeaL: with 95 atk (should be lowered) we're at 338
  478. [23:30:10] snake_rattler: yeah
  479. [23:30:30] #HeaLnDeaL: 85 atk puts us at 328
  480. [23:30:33] snake_rattler: deck shows that 85 is usuable
  481. [23:30:51] #HeaLnDeaL: do we want to be barely usable or no?
  482. [23:31:18] snake_rattler: 83 gives us a round number
  483. [23:31:32] snake_rattler: idk i kinda want to shy away from mixed
  484. [23:31:39] #HeaLnDeaL: also
  485. [23:31:44] #HeaLnDeaL: I think deck's EV spread
  486. [23:31:46] #HeaLnDeaL: is bad
  487. [23:32:01] #HeaLnDeaL: no one is going to put as many atk evs into the mixed set as he wants
  488. [23:32:44] snake_rattler: oh yeah
  489. [23:32:48] #HeaLnDeaL: 83 puts us at... 575?
  490. [23:32:51] snake_rattler: yeah
  491. [23:32:57] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt necturna
  492. • CAPNecturna ForewarnTelepathyHP
  493. 64Atk
  494. 120Def
  495. 100SpA
  496. 85SpD
  497. 120Spe
  498. 81BST
  499. 570
  500. •
  501. Dex#: -2 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.65 m |  Weight: 49.6 kg (60 BP) |  Dex Colour: Black |  Egg Group(s): Grass, Field |  Does Not Evolve
  502. [23:33:07] #HeaLnDeaL: how about 73? or too low?
  503. [23:33:13] snake_rattler: i'd be good with 73
  504. [23:33:27] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm or maybe 78?
  505. [23:33:33] snake_rattler: 78 works
  506. [23:34:05] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
  507. [23:34:14] #HeaLnDeaL: well, you can pick which one
  508. [23:34:23] #HeaLnDeaL: if we wanna fart around there's 69
  509. [23:34:59] #HeaLnDeaL: if we go 69, we can go 114 sp atk and be at 560 bst
  510. [23:35:05] snake_rattler: we can lower the SpA to make the round number
  511. [23:35:06] snake_rattler: lol yeah
  512. [23:35:56] #HeaLnDeaL: is that what you wanna do tho? your call : )
  513. [23:36:27] snake_rattler: lets just do 78 so we get taken seriously
  514. [23:36:40] #HeaLnDeaL: aight
  515. [23:37:15] snake_rattler: 84 / 78 / 86 / 115 / 88 / 119
  516. [23:37:17] #HeaLnDeaL: 84/78/86/115/88/119
  517. [23:37:23] #HeaLnDeaL: yup
  518. [23:37:47] snake_rattler: is our spread the only one with higher ST than PT
  519. [23:38:00] #HeaLnDeaL: I think so
  520. [23:38:30] #HeaLnDeaL: oh alfalfa has it 70/71
  521. [23:38:44] snake_rattler: o
  522. [23:38:46] snake_rattler: oh well
  523. [23:39:13] snake_rattler: are you happy with the spread?
  524. [23:39:23] #HeaLnDeaL: aubiso has 70/80
  525. [23:39:31] #HeaLnDeaL: and yeah I'm very happy with it
  526. [23:39:47] #HeaLnDeaL: I think we have way more relevant calcs than anyone else does
  527. [23:39:57] snake_rattler: yeah
  528. [23:40:17] snake_rattler: i guess all the calcs are in chat
  529. [23:40:19] #HeaLnDeaL: if you want I can PM you a sample post tomorrow and get your opinions on it before posting
  530. [23:40:37] #HeaLnDeaL: well, we gotta figure out who's posting
  531. [23:40:47] #HeaLnDeaL: and who gets their name on the poll
  532. [23:41:23] snake_rattler: oh we can't have both our names?
  533. [23:41:52] snake_rattler: i kinda need to go soon
  534. [23:43:02] #HeaLnDeaL: both names is bad for a poll
  535. [23:43:16] #HeaLnDeaL: but if we win, both our names will go on the credits
  536. [23:43:32] snake_rattler: oh if both our names go on the credits
  537. [23:43:45] #HeaLnDeaL: if you want your name in the poll I'm completely fine with it
  538. [23:43:47] snake_rattler: it doesn't really matter whose name it is on the poll
  539. [23:43:57] snake_rattler: nah you approached me to help out, you can get the name :D
  540. [23:44:06] #HeaLnDeaL: you sure?
  541. [23:44:46] snake_rattler: if both our names goes on the credits its ok with me
  542. [23:45:07] #HeaLnDeaL: alright :s
  543. [23:45:30] snake_rattler: unless you want to give it to me, which i feel bad for doing
  544. [23:45:39] #HeaLnDeaL: k, I'll make a sample post and send it to you
  545. [23:45:53] #HeaLnDeaL: tomorrow
  546. [23:46:37] snake_rattler: alright i'll look at it
  547. [23:46:39] snake_rattler: well
  548. [23:46:57] #HeaLnDeaL: goal is for it to be posted in the thread within 24 hours
  549. [23:47:00] snake_rattler: we did it
  550. [23:47:01] • snake_rattler high fives HeaLnDeaL
  551. [23:47:12] #HeaLnDeaL: :D
  552. [23:47:29] #HeaLnDeaL: hopefully we can stop the OP sweeper spreads in the poll
  553. [23:47:40] snake_rattler: lets do it
  554. [23:48:00] snake_rattler: alright see ya heal
  555. [23:48:08] #HeaLnDeaL: cya
  556. snake_rattler left
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