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ShadetheWolf
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  1. [7:03:07 PM] Sanderson: Not gonna lie --
  2. [7:03:23 PM] Sanderson: -- This is crazy repetitive. It's like watching the same fucking episode of something over and over.
  3. [7:03:38 PM] Sanderson: > Eat
  4. > Fuck
  5. > Fight about which world / religion is right
  6. [7:03:43 PM] Sanderson: That's all I ever see here.
  7. [7:04:10 PM] Shade the Wolf: I know.
  8. [7:04:25 PM] Sanderson: I'm trying, I really am. But don't be surprised if I go ghost unless otherwise called.
  9. [7:05:29 PM] Shade the Wolf: But we do have an arc planned: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dDRLtdNH7uOV62l-YlQ0YN6Xst62FREycKjJhdtC7lU/edit#heading=h.k70ad3svfd8w
  10. [7:06:27 PM] Sanderson: I'll comment in a moment:
  11. [7:09:33 PM] Sanderson: I've read the first page so far, and I'm not hopeful. I'm waiting for some catch to stabilize this, but . . .
  12. [7:09:41 PM] Sanderson: Sanderson -shrug-
  13. [7:09:46 PM] Sanderson: Continuing:
  14. [7:16:58 PM] Sanderson: Okay.
  15. [7:17:03 PM] Sanderson: This is not a great start.
  16. [7:17:26 PM] Sanderson: This key alone is a shot in the foot for the sheer fact that most if not all beings present in Apogee can't even fucking comprehend it, both Operator and Character likely.
  17. [7:17:36 PM] Sanderson: But let me get a full list of concerns and advice.
  18. [7:17:59 PM] Shade the Wolf: alright
  19. [7:21:27 PM] Sanderson: ALRIGHT.
  20. [7:25:57 PM] Sanderson: 1. I want you to stop and explain to me, in your own words within 120 seconds what a Fourth Dimensional Key. This time stipulation is to further hammer-home the point that it's non-sensical for the most part and I don't want to color in the only advise of answer I can imagine because it's purpose defeating.
  21.  
  22. 2. I love that it's an attempt to find that adventure-sans-violence middle ground but this plot is:
  23. > 1. A plot, and as such too scripted to promote as little as casual interactions with the patrons beyond the previously and repeatedly mentioned grievances.
  24. > 2. Out of IC reach of most who don't have direct ties with the origins, so dooming them from finding answers.
  25. > 3. Restricting! You locked off the god-damned planet so no one NEW can arrive and anyone useless within is going to STAY useless. This is just an exploration expedition that locks up half the planet, and anyone who arrives in-memo during the process of these seperate memo on-goings is either arbitrarily thrust into the past/future and deprived any interaction or conversation derivative of this event until it's over.
  26.  
  27. 3. Granted, this work isn't finished, but it provides no resolution so far.
  28. [7:26:26 PM] Sanderson: 2.3 is REALLY fuckin' important to me, seeing as it was one of my biggest issues before kicking off the Prince's Ball, but I managed to circumvent that.
  29. [7:26:34 PM] Sanderson: But umm . . . yeah. Go ahead.
  30. [7:26:42 PM] Sanderson: I asked for one answer, I'll wait.
  31. [7:28:21 PM] Shade the Wolf: Okay. In my words, I believe the Fourth Dimensional key would enable the party to travel through time within the Monolith, to the far past when it was new, for example.
  32. [7:28:29 PM] Sanderson: Wrong answer.
  33. [7:28:34 PM] Sanderson: Physics has fuck all to do with time.
  34. [7:28:54 PM] Shade the Wolf: To be used as a device for exposition or as a puzzle mechanic.
  35. [7:29:10 PM] Shade the Wolf: Altering things in the past to affect stuff in the future.
  36. [7:30:12 PM] Sanderson: This dates back to my previous demand for naming shit/energies properly, but I'll harp on that later.
  37.  
  38. So take this bit of information:
  39. [7:30:25 PM] Sanderson: Sorry for interrupting, but you're just critically off.
  40. [7:30:33 PM] Shade the Wolf: Fourth Dimension isn't time?
  41. [7:30:38 PM] Sanderson: Not at all.
  42. [7:30:40 PM] Sanderson: So:
  43. [7:31:08 PM] Sanderson: "Being three-dimensional, we are only able to see the world with our eyes in two dimensions. A four-dimensional being would be able to see the world in three dimensions. For example, it would be able to see all six sides of an opaque box simultaneously, and in fact, what is inside the box at the same time, just as we can see the interior of a square on a piece of paper. It would be able to see all points in 3-dimensional space simultaneously, including the inner structure of solid objects and things obscured from our three-dimensional viewpoint. Our brains receive images in the second dimension and use reasoning to help us "picture" three-dimensional objects. Just as a four-dimensional creature would probably receive multiple three-dimensional pictures"
  44. [7:31:41 PM] Shade the Wolf: ahh
  45. [7:31:44 PM] Sanderson: With the above in mind:
  46. > This has literally nothing to do with time travel.
  47. > ANYONE would have to be some fucking Fifth Dimensional Being to even get started, which we can't even elaborate well enough on to create or fake up.
  48. [7:31:48 PM | Edited 7:31:52 PM] Sanderson: This is the FIRST ROOM.
  49. [7:32:04 PM] Shade the Wolf: Right.
  50. [7:32:14 PM] Shade the Wolf: What dimension is time then?
  51. [7:32:25 PM] Sanderson: It's not "a dimension".
  52. [7:32:34 PM] Shade the Wolf: Because I think that's what Carlos meant by "Fourth Dimensional key"
  53. [7:33:11 PM] Sanderson: What he meant means dick to that lack logic mess right now, which I am actually trying to help however negative I sound about the matter.
  54. [7:33:17 PM] Sanderson: But to answer your question:
  55. [7:34:12 PM] Sanderson: > "In physics and mathematics, the dimension of a space or object is informally defined as the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it."
  56.  
  57. > "In esoteric cosmology, a plane other than the physical plane is conceived as a subtle state of consciousness that transcends the known physical universe"
  58.  
  59. There is no specific reality for "time". It's a concept that marks the passage of sensory information accumulation.
  60. [7:34:19 PM] Sanderson: Perception.
  61. [7:34:55 PM] Shade the Wolf: ah kay
  62. [7:35:08 PM] Shade the Wolf: Then let me rephrase my question
  63. [7:35:27 PM] Shade the Wolf: When you time travel, on what axis are you travelling?
  64. [7:36:17 PM] Shade the Wolf: In my mind, the key is meant to allow travel along that axis, between the past and the future.
  65. [7:36:33 PM] Sanderson: You don't seem to understand what I'm telling you, allow me to be clear:
  66. [7:37:47 PM] Sanderson: Erase anything regarding "fourth dimensional" seeing as you either A. Misunderstood or B. presently still lack understanding about what it is. It has nothing to do with Time Travel. Your phrasing is obfuscating and useless as well as incorrect.
  67.  
  68. Simply call it a fractioned device, meant to allow time travel. Work out the quesitonable means from there, but know full well that a "fourth dimensional key" will avail you no such end result.
  69. [7:38:02 PM] Sanderson: As for what "axis" you're traveling? Well, that means fuck all in this situation too.
  70. [7:38:30 PM] Sanderson: There are, assumingly in the Homestuck Universe, several temporal alignments and they cut in and out of each other at a decision's second.
  71. [7:38:34 PM | Edited 7:38:38 PM] Sanderson: But "forward" and "back" help.
  72. [7:38:42 PM] Shade the Wolf: alright
  73. [7:41:49 PM] Shade the Wolf: This is why I refer to Time as a dimension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY
  74. [7:42:14 PM] Shade the Wolf: but let's move past that.
  75. [7:42:43 PM] Shade the Wolf: As for the shield thing, I agree that it is stupid.
  76. [7:43:07 PM] Shade the Wolf: I think his reasoning for it was "no potential for fighting"
  77. [7:43:31 PM] Sanderson: LK, I paused your movie 0:21 in because it SAYS what I said.
  78. [7:43:46 PM] Sanderson: "This project says that time is just a direction, not a full dimension. . ."
  79. [7:43:58 PM] Shade the Wolf: ahh
  80. [7:44:08 PM] Sanderson: I literally have turned it off now, not to seem insulting but having my exact words repeated to me in under a mintue is . . . well, resolving.
  81. [7:44:22 PM] Shade the Wolf: Sorry.
  82. [7:44:29 PM] Shade the Wolf: Also it's okay.
  83. [7:45:09 PM] Shade the Wolf: but yeah, the shield thing is stupid
  84. [7:45:36 PM] Shade the Wolf: If it will help, mind if I add Carlos to this convo?
  85. [7:45:49 PM] Sanderson: Honestly, I do mind.
  86. [7:45:52 PM] Sanderson: And I'll tell you why.
  87. [7:46:34 PM] Sanderson: 1. I didn't come here to steer ships. I just see glaring holes in your hull and I WANT to help.
  88.  
  89. 2. I don't think I'll be a good energy for your productions. I'm not the nicest, albeit I aim to be helpful. So I'll say something mean, I know it.
  90. [7:46:42 PM] Sanderson: 3. I wanted to RP anyhow.
  91. [7:46:48 PM] Sanderson: And the less I know, the better.
  92. [7:46:52 PM] Sanderson: As long as it's sensible at least.
  93. [7:46:56 PM] Shade the Wolf: alright
  94. [7:50:09 PM] Shade the Wolf: Well I got an answer for why the key is called "Fourth Dimensional"
  95. [7:50:28 PM] Shade the Wolf: And it's about as assinine as you can imagine.
  96. [7:51:10 PM] Shade the Wolf: It uses length, width, height and time as variables in its assembly. According to Carlos.
  97. [7:51:53 PM] Shade the Wolf: and it's how he understands what noah wrote.
  98. [7:54:14 PM] Sanderson: I'm gonna kick DD-Prime out a window for this.
  99. [7:54:21 PM] Sanderson: But uhh . . . you know what, I'm over it.
  100. [7:54:44 PM] Sanderson: Ain't my concern no how. But yes, I saw DD-Prime in the comments on the right. I already sent him an angry message demanding an explanation.
  101. [7:54:55 PM] Sanderson: So yeah. Later.~
  102. [7:55:00 PM] Shade the Wolf: aight
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