Shame on C5 that have this Community Manager

<17:14:30> "[COD5]iRob": Hello Radical.
When can we talk a bit? I need to talk to you about something
<19:20:17> "Radical11": hm
<19:23:46> "[ACE]iRob": some days ago, I've spoke with Bouli, Richard and Seif. in order to transfer to LSCnR, I need your opinion on it.  bouli and Richard have already said yes about it.
reason of it: I'm feeling unsafe doing my duty, Most of RR levels1-4 unexperienced also not active and not doing their job
<19:25:14> "Radical11": Answer: No
<19:25:27> "[ACE]iRob": Why, is there any reason
<19:25:31> "Radical11": simply because
<19:25:35> "Radical11": we don't allow it
<19:25:38> "Radical11": give one the chance
<19:25:41> "Radical11": then everyone would want one
<19:25:59> "[ACE]iRob": I understand you, but if it is a valid reason then why not
<19:26:17> "Radical11": everyone would give a valid reason..
<19:26:29> "Radical11": 3 ways this can go
<19:26:49> "Radical11": 1. Sign the agreement and reach level 4 , it gives you the option to be admin somewhere else
<19:26:53> "Radical11": 2. Pay 100 euros
<19:27:09> "Radical11": 3. Resign , wait 3 months and * hope * you get accepted into the server you wish to be in
<19:27:59> "[ACE]iRob": well
<19:30:16> "[ACE]iRob": I cannot sign agreement, i've already discussed that with Exo.
I never payed on any game.
about, resign, no i won't resign cause I won't waste this chance given by exo.

have you seen the situation on RR staff?
<19:30:52> "Radical11": Well
<19:31:02> "Radical11": In an organization
<19:31:10> "Radical11": ( and stated in the agreement )
<19:31:25> "Radical11": you raise all issues and problems with your HR / SM manager to be resolved
<19:32:27> "[ACE]iRob": I already spoke with 2HRs (bouli & richard) about it. they wouldn't approve it if it's not valid
<19:33:57> "[ACE]iRob": in C5, I just made one mistake, and it was when I resigned before, and you know that. none in my opinion cares for his job like me i mean (lvls1-4)
<19:34:35> "[ACE]iRob": I cannot keep creating ticket against admins, I cannot get more haters
<19:35:38> "Radical11": We're not going to allow it.. As I said before.. everyone would want a to transfer and would prob even write a book and a bigger and better reason why they should be transferred
<19:36:11> "[ACE]iRob": It's the same as what happened with fake agreements that got approved. aint it ?
<19:38:09> "Radical11": no
<19:38:12> "[ACE]iRob": actually when i will be moved, I'll be lv1 there, not lv2 as RR. I want to stay away of fights
<19:38:47> "[ACE]iRob": nothing happened to fake agreements cause just some admins knew about it
<19:41:08> "[ACE]iRob": maybe we can get something to say when I will be transfered, in order to not to get anyone else request that
<19:41:52> "Radical11": what makes you special over all other admins?
<19:42:05> "Radical11": basically you're just a regular admin like everyone else
<19:44:30> "[ACE]iRob": that's in your opinion.
well, before I come to same I had community of other game (not samp) also I'm c++ scripter, that what makes me special.
other thing, is I don't find any experienced admins at my level.
I'm not requesting promotion or anything else, my maximum lvl is 3. I'm just requesting a transfer
<19:47:39> "Radical11": Everyone has problems in their own server
<19:47:46> "Radical11": Everyone wants to resign
<19:47:51> "Radical11": everyone wants to transfer
<19:48:05> "Radical11": We all face these problems
<19:49:09> "[ACE]iRob": Yeah, we all face these problems. but not everyone want to transfer. I'm in contact with most RR/cnr admins and I know them personally
<19:49:43> "Radical11": you can't speak for everyone as you don't know what goes on in the background
<19:50:38> "[ACE]iRob": I'm not at your position to be able to know what's going on the background. atleast I got most of admins trust, so I might be able to know a bit of these backgrounds
<19:51:43> "Radical11": I understand your 'frustration' on RR but your reason is not valid enough for a transfer
<19:51:49> "Radical11": all servers have their own internal problems
<19:53:02> "[ACE]iRob": I know that, just active RR admins suffer from this situation, and this situation getting worse day by day
<19:53:23> "Radical11": who can this be fixed by? Your HR managers
<19:54:53> "[ACE]iRob": Yeah HR managers, what can I do as lv2 ? keep watching ? keep everyone spam my chat to join the game cause I'm the most active and others join for 10 seconds and leave.
<19:55:38> "[ACE]iRob": Me & Medion were the only two admins active at the middle of the hardest problems were on RR, on August 2015
<19:55:48> "[ACE]iRob": we didn't request anything
<19:55:51> "[ACE]iRob": and we wont
<19:56:53> "[ACE]iRob": we are volunteers, but, as volunteer we cannot keep suffering all the time cause of this situation
<19:58:13> "[ACE]iRob": we both got drama queen, cause we mistaked with you, but before you give that, why didn't you look at what we did, and why we are doing this
<19:59:00> "Radical11": medion didn't mistaked with me
<19:59:06> "Radical11": mistaked with everyone
<19:59:12> "Radical11": you on the other hand now
<19:59:18> "Radical11": wanna spite ball things you don't know
<19:59:50> "[ACE]iRob": I know everything what happened with medion
<20:00:32> "[ACE]iRob": in my opinion and many RR admins saying that, after he left there aren't any single lvl4 alive.
<20:00:48> "[ACE]iRob": Medion mistaked just with you. a
<20:00:57> "Radical11": no..
<20:01:11> "[ACE]iRob": and about his bio, he did that cause of the drama queen he got after all what he have done
<20:01:27> "[ACE]iRob": he got forum banned by dust cause of that, I know it's valid
<20:01:30> "Radical11": didn't get to read the bio
<20:01:37> "Radical11": so don't call me out on that one
<20:02:07> "Radical11": The reason behind medion got the drama queen award goes like this..
<20:02:16> "[ACE]iRob": Medion got Best administrator reward (choosing by whole C5 admins) and got drama queen (choosen by you)  I guess there is much difference
<20:02:23> "Radical11": hold up
<20:02:39> "Radical11": Yes.. we can all admit medion was a good guy
<20:02:50> "Radical11": but he was given too many chances before..
<20:02:58> "Radical11": took em for granted
<20:03:05> "Radical11": got mad
<20:03:09> "Radical11": and that got him where he is today
<20:03:49> "[ACE]iRob": I was behind him to help him, near all of these chances. but most of these chances were valid
<20:04:48> "[ACE]iRob": he did a mistake that he shared a problem of him & mahdi. I know it's worst mistake he did
<20:05:00> "Radical11": and
<20:05:02> "Radical11": he got a chance
<20:05:07> "Radical11": he was suppose to be demoted
<20:05:09> "Radical11": to level 3
<20:05:12> "Radical11": exo saved his life
<20:05:19> "Radical11": when he resigned
<20:05:25> "Radical11": I wasn't suppose to rehire him back to 4
<20:05:30> "Radical11": he was suppose to be long gone
<20:05:34> "Radical11": kept on bitching about resigning
<20:05:46> "Radical11": last time he did it
<20:05:49> "Radical11": someone gave him a chance
<20:05:53> "[ACE]iRob": but wasn't that a good choice to get him rehired ?
<20:05:57> "Radical11": no
<20:06:11> "[ACE]iRob": he was the only admin doing his duty on two servers
<20:06:11> "Radical11": well he makes us regret it now
<20:06:47> "[ACE]iRob": He've done mistake by resigning, I didn't want that to happen. I wanted him to stay with me on RR
<20:06:59> "Radical11": those mistakes
<20:07:04> "Radical11": should not of been fixed by us
<20:07:05> "Radical11": yet sitll
<20:07:08> "Radical11": we still fixed them
<20:07:44> "[ACE]iRob": well, I know that about medion. but you know when He left, RR staff went down
<20:08:01> "[ACE]iRob": every RR admin saying that
<20:08:22> "Radical11": actions and concequences
<20:08:26> "Radical11": for where he ended up today
<20:08:40> "Radical11": especially for that mahdi thingy
<20:08:40> "[ACE]iRob": well yeah, he's responsible about his actions
<20:08:58> "[ACE]iRob": about mahdi's thing nah, it shouldn't be that special
<20:09:08> "Radical11": yeha
<20:09:09> "Radical11": yeah
<20:09:09> "[ACE]iRob": cause mahdi went against me cause I'm medion's friend
<20:09:16> "Radical11": he lost lots of respect
<20:09:20> "Radical11": for that situation
<20:09:40> "[ACE]iRob": he changed with everyone, except with me
<20:09:49> "[ACE]iRob": cause that I still trust him
<20:10:19> "[ACE]iRob": well, about me. I got drama queen   cause of one thing
<20:11:51> "[ACE]iRob": there is an admin i was talking to  on RR. was telling me "if you do your job and you care about your pos, that's will be a reason of getting a drama queen"
<20:11:53> "[ACE]iRob": something like that
<20:12:16> "[ACE]iRob": I won't say the name of that admin, i dont want to get him into any problem
<20:12:52> "[ACE]iRob": cause of my resign topic, I got drama queen. that's 1 mistake. I couldn't find other
<20:13:00> "Radical11": if things were done much more "approriately"
<20:13:03> "Radical11": and ordely
<20:13:09> "Radical11": it wouldn't of ended up that way
<20:14:05> "[ACE]iRob": well, isn't that also a reason of why I cannot pay in order to move ?
<20:14:33> "Radical11": As I told someone before
<20:14:37> "Radical11": last week or some other time
<20:14:56> "Radical11": you .. of all persons shouldn't complain about a transfer
<20:15:06> "Radical11": you should be the last of the whole staff team
<20:15:21> "[ACE]iRob": hm
<20:15:28> "Radical11": You were already graciously blessed by exo for being rehired once again
<20:15:44> "Radical11": Fact that i commanded all level 5's / HR's and SM not to rehire you
<20:15:54> "[ACE]iRob": that's wrong
<20:15:54> "Radical11": hug unto that blessing
<20:16:14> "[ACE]iRob": when I applied first time, they wanted your permission to hire me
<20:16:20> "Radical11": and I said no
<20:16:22> "[ACE]iRob": Level5's / HRs and SM
<20:16:28> "[ACE]iRob": yep you said no
<20:16:29> "Radical11": it was an order
<20:17:03> "[ACE]iRob": yh, I was lucky that I got rehired by exo, well that happened cause of one mistake ?
<20:17:11> "Radical11": yeah
<20:17:17> "Radical11": don't push your luck
<20:17:26> "Radical11": you're asking for too much
<20:17:31> "[ACE]iRob": asking too much ?
<20:17:33> "[ACE]iRob": like what
<20:17:37> "Radical11": a transfer
<20:17:41> "[ACE]iRob": and
<20:17:49> "[ACE]iRob": it's not too much the transfer
<20:18:03> "Radical11": in my book it is.. despite that you shouldn't of been rehired
<20:19:31> "Radical11": someone already queried your rehiring before I even did
<20:19:40> "[ACE]iRob": well, in my book says different thing.  Why HRs & Level5's understand Lower lvls more than higher lvls, cause they know every single thing happen on the server and they know the reasons of everyone why he's acting like that
<20:20:33> "[ACE]iRob": about 2nd time, yh wateraqua was against that. cause of something happened
<20:20:44> "[ACE]iRob": but about the 1st time, just you was against it
<20:20:52> "Radical11": 2nd time?
<20:20:56> "Radical11": im lost
<20:21:03> "[ACE]iRob": 1st time = you denied it
<20:21:08> "[ACE]iRob": 2nd time = exo hired me
<20:21:20> "[ACE]iRob": 2 times i created application
<20:21:23> "[ACE]iRob": s*
<20:21:41> "Radical11": both times
<20:21:44> "Radical11": were denied..
<20:21:46> "Radical11": fyi
<20:21:48> "Radical11": as I said
<20:21:51> "Radical11": there was an order set
<20:22:08> "Radical11": we didn't bother to come out an deny it again
<20:22:39> "[ACE]iRob": yeah there was an order set,even though I got hired, and I didn't get exo down by his decision
<20:23:12> "Radical11": if you were hired by someone else you should of surely been fired..
<20:23:29> "Radical11": would of*
<20:24:07> "[ACE]iRob": well, I didn't make anything wrong, just doing my duty and asking for transfer cause im suffering of the situation
<20:24:55> "Radical11": I already told you of the answere
<20:25:41> "[ACE]iRob": yep you said no, not cause you're against the transfer (we already discussed that some minutes before), it's cause you're against me.
<20:25:51> "Radical11": no
<20:25:55> "Radical11": don't confuse the transfer
<20:25:58> "Radical11": with the rehiring
<20:25:58> "[ACE]iRob": both?
<20:26:01> "Radical11": thats 2 different things
<20:26:11> "Radical11": the transfer is a global thing
<20:26:48> "[ACE]iRob": but there two have something in common, they're reasons of why my transfer getting rejected
<20:26:53> "[ACE]iRob": these*
<20:27:15> "Radical11": they are not related to each other.. you are lucky to be in staff
<20:27:25> "Radical11": but you're pushing your limits
<20:27:28> "Radical11": out of everyone else
<20:27:33> "Radical11": for a transfer
<20:27:55> "[ACE]iRob": limits? It's a volunteer job. there isn't limit for transfer thing
<20:28:15> "Radical11": the limit is not for the transfer.
<20:28:23> "Radical11": the limit is that you're rehired into RR
<20:28:25> "Radical11": now keep it there
<20:28:28> "Radical11": do your job
<20:28:46> "[ACE]iRob": see? these two have something in common
<20:28:53> "Radical11": There
<20:28:53> "Radical11": is
<20:28:54> "Radical11": nothing
<20:28:56> "Radical11": in
<20:28:57> "Radical11": common
<20:28:58> "Radical11": tgjeezus
<20:29:44> "Radical11": its a way of saying
<20:29:50> "Radical11": you're taking an inch for an L
<20:32:34> "[ACE]iRob": Alright, I'm tired. Listen, we're both 17 years old but the different you're bossing cause of this volunteer job instead of being friendly with admins.
this volunteer job it's on computer and not real life job. so yeah I got many people's trust cause I hate liers. but when someone get against me it went worse with everyone.
about Medion & Mahdi, there was a topic made by bouli on Lv4 section, and I was the writer not Medion. he requested a help and I never reject, not like others (I mean a one by this)
<20:33:17> "Radical11": Stated that it's a volunteer job.. none is holding a gun to your head to stay
<20:33:52> "[ACE]iRob": well, yeah, I mentioned a word "help" that you never did
<20:34:06> "Radical11": I already told you
<20:34:11> "Radical11": where you can get "help"
<20:34:15> "Radical11": "HR Managers"
<20:34:39> "[ACE]iRob": I even tried to help the community by development but you didnt help me in order to help
<20:34:52> "Radical11": refresh me
<20:34:55> "[ACE]iRob": you're higher than HR managers. that's why im talking to you
<20:34:55> "Radical11": development?
<20:34:59> "[ACE]iRob": yep
<20:35:01> "Radical11": refresh
<20:35:03> "[ACE]iRob": go back into August 2015
<20:35:06> "[ACE]iRob": or september
<20:35:14> "[ACE]iRob": where Development admins started
<20:35:29> "Radical11": and?
<20:36:02> "[ACE]iRob": I messaged you more than 3 times in order to help, but you ignored, you mintioned that in my resign topic
<20:36:21> "Radical11": August 2015..
<20:36:25> "Radical11": Development admins..
<20:36:29> "Radical11": SMF forums..
<20:36:33> "[ACE]iRob": yh
<20:36:36> "Radical11": would of have messaged me on the forums?
<20:36:36> "[ACE]iRob": not
<20:36:40> "Radical11": or on TS?
<20:36:44> "[ACE]iRob": ts
<20:37:31> "Radical11": you said you messaged me
<20:37:35> "Radical11": but in my defense
<20:37:39> "Radical11": i checked my logs
<20:37:50> "Radical11": and I would of quoted the exact message
<20:37:56> "Radical11": and / or explained why
<20:39:27> "[ACE]iRob": well, I' cannot  even give a hand into helping with scripting anymore. but I still able to do that, I got many friends which they are working on High tech companies
<20:39:37> "Radical11": either way
<20:39:42> "Radical11": I wouldn't accept you
<20:39:46> "Radical11": until you can sign the agreement
<20:39:55> "Radical11": and other internal factors..
<20:40:06> "[ACE]iRob": the development admin was the reason of why I requested you to post in my resign topic
<20:40:26> "[ACE]iRob": Sign agreement to higher levels while it's not safe, and higher level against me
<20:40:28> "[ACE]iRob": no never
<20:40:47> "Radical11": <13:40:24> "[ACE]iRob": Sign agreement to higher levels while it's not safe, and higher level against me
<20:40:50> "Radical11": explain in depth
<20:41:01> "[ACE]iRob": agreement isn't safe
<20:41:10> "[ACE]iRob": personal informations aren't safe
<20:41:20> "[ACE]iRob": that's the main reason of why I wont sign it
<20:41:43> "[ACE]iRob": there is nothing written in the agreement which saves these information
<20:41:45> "[ACE]iRob": s
<20:42:12> "Radical11": how so?
<20:42:16> "[ACE]iRob": actually the lawer that I spoke with about this, is in my house now
<20:42:28> "Radical11": i was actually gonna bring up that point
<20:43:19> "[ACE]iRob": for sure you read the agreement, but surely you didn't conclude that there is nothing written in the agreement that saves these informations
<20:43:29> "Radical11": logically
<20:43:47> "Radical11": C5 is a registered business ( you can research for yourself on that) that is registered in belguim
<20:43:49> "Radical11": and there are laws
<20:43:56> "Radical11": set up in place to protect persons like you
<20:44:14> "Radical11": not everything needs to be stated on paper
<20:44:18> "Radical11": the law is higher than that agreement
<20:44:30> "[ACE]iRob": <20:44:14> "Radical11": not everything needs to be stated on paper
<20:44:45> "[ACE]iRob": ofc everything should be stated on paper
<20:44:50> "Radical11": nope
<20:44:53> "[ACE]iRob": you dont trust me, so how could I trust you
<20:44:59> "Radical11": do we need to state
<20:45:00> "[ACE]iRob": *Logic*
<20:45:03> "Radical11": all the staff rules on paper?
<20:45:09> "Radical11": or is it stated in a topic?
<20:45:13> "Radical11": and in which
<20:45:17> "[ACE]iRob": no, you can say it by one sentense
<20:45:19> "Radical11": the agreement refers to that stuff
<20:45:25> "Radical11": in a topic
<20:45:33> "[ACE]iRob": nope
<20:45:38> "[ACE]iRob": topic can be deleted
<20:45:43> "[ACE]iRob": rules can be changed
<20:45:48> "Radical11": exact;y
<20:45:50> "Radical11": thats why
<20:45:52> "Radical11": its said
<20:45:52> "[ACE]iRob": but the thing written in paper cannot be changed
<20:45:57> "Radical11": outlined
<20:46:00> "Radical11": in the staff rules
<20:46:06> "Radical11": referring to topics in the forums
<20:46:14> "[ACE]iRob": so yh, after a month I might see my information on any place
<20:46:20> "Radical11": but
<20:46:24> "Radical11": there are legal laws
<20:46:28> "Radical11": set up in place
<20:46:33> "Radical11": where you can take action etc etc
<20:46:58> "[ACE]iRob": pls man, I've told you before, Everything on topics can be changed, but things written in paper cannot be changed
<20:47:06> "Radical11": it can be
<20:47:06> "Radical11": tho
<20:47:10> "Radical11": last time it was
<20:47:18> "Radical11": everyone was notified
<20:47:35> "Radical11": you would be notified of staff rules and changes
<20:47:49> "[ACE]iRob": last time/before.  I want to see now/future
<20:47:55> "Radical11": You agree to adhere to, accept and follow the Community's Policies, Regulations and Procedures as
set out in the Staff Rules and User Policies. You agree to be responsible for:
<20:48:08> "Radical11": what matters is not
<20:48:09> "Radical11": now*
<20:48:13> "Radical11": because the older one
<20:48:14> "[ACE]iRob": it is
<20:48:15> "Radical11": isn't in effect
<20:48:19> "[ACE]iRob": the matter is now/future
<20:48:19> "Radical11": its useless
<20:48:23> "Radical11": right
<20:48:27> "Radical11": and now / future
<20:48:31> "Radical11": is the present agreement you see
<20:48:36> "Radical11": so therefore the older one doesn't matter
<20:48:41> "Radical11": +
<20:48:41> "[ACE]iRob": to papers cannot be changed in future
<20:48:43> "Radical11": the paper
<20:48:43> "[ACE]iRob": so*
<20:48:45> "Radical11": stated
<20:49:06> "[ACE]iRob": irl my brother was about to fail in a problem like this
<20:49:07> "Radical11":
9. PREVIOUS & FUTURE ARRANGEMENTS
This Agreement replaces all previous agreements whether express or implied. The Volunteer accepts
that changes can be made to the Agreement. Both parties agree that the latest version of the
Agreement provided on the Community's website is in effect. It's the Community's responsibility to
provide updates and the Volunteer's responsibility to check for updates.
<20:49:12> "Radical11": read
<20:49:13> "[ACE]iRob": so yh I wont fail in something like that
<20:49:14> "Radical11": understand
<20:49:17> "[ACE]iRob": I already read
<20:49:19> "Radical11": make sense out of nonsense
<20:49:51> "[ACE]iRob": iit's logic
<20:49:54> "Radical11": right
<20:50:03> "Radical11": and the law is higher than that agreement
<20:50:09> "Radical11": so logically you are safe
<20:50:11> "Radical11": by law
<20:50:22> "Radical11": incase that information gets somehow out of hand
<20:56:56> "[ACE]iRob": well, yh law higher than agreement, every country has it's laws
<20:57:09> "[ACE]iRob": but agreement is the same
<20:58:45> "[ACE]iRob": Alright, I would thank you on the "No", and on the discuss that moved nothing.
the difference between us is: I'm special but im not the boss, and you're the boss but not special.
<20:59:53> "[ACE]iRob": I never lied or been afraid like others, this volunteer job will never change who i am
<21:01:28> "[ACE]iRob": and Yeah, my signature is true
<21:01:33> "Radical11": everyone has there wishes
<21:01:36> "Radical11": not to sign it
<21:01:38> "Radical11": we respect that
<21:01:45> "[ACE]iRob": but forum signature*
<21:01:48> "[ACE]iRob": my*
<21:02:02> "[ACE]iRob": *wishes*
<21:02:36> "[ACE]iRob": I don't wish on being a high level on the community. and i dont wish on being transfered. I dont wish to be respected
<21:02:40> "[ACE]iRob": I earn all of these
<21:03:00> "[ACE]iRob": my forum signature: Drama Queens Are those who saved RR from death  And I'm proud of that^^
<21:03:05> "[ACE]iRob": that's true
<21:03:30> "[ACE]iRob": the past has already done. and cannot be changed
<21:03:39> "[ACE]iRob": so yh this will stay the truth
<21:05:11> "Radical11": thats your opinion
<21:05:15> "Radical11": your point of view of it
<21:05:22> "[ACE]iRob": yep
<21:08:00> "[ACE]iRob": Alright, have a nice day, sorry but I expect totally different thing of you.
<21:11:33> "[ACE]iRob": read this: http://i.imgur.com/EKl8eIt.png   Enjoy. Bye!