[21:22] <@Lotid> Kenya
[21:22] <@redwings1340> well
[21:22] <@redwings1340> oh, yeah, definitely
[21:22] <@Lotid> I want Kenya
[21:22] <@Iwamiger> KENYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:22] <@Iwamiger> and
[21:22] <@Lotid> There's no other ground Uber
[21:22] <@Iwamiger> what team whatevs?
[21:22] <@darkfiregamer> But if you swap for your challenger team I think the change is also permanent for your jim team
[21:22] <@Whatevs4> Mantis'.
[21:22] <@Iwamiger> oh
[21:22] <@darkfiregamer> At least I thought that's what I heard
[21:22] <@Iwamiger> well he has an irritating chance of ruining my streak of wins if I challenge him last
[21:23] <@Lotid> So I am forced to use Kenya in jims?
[21:23] <@redwings1340> Whatevs used Mega Blaziken in a challenge run
[21:23] <@Iwamiger> that's about it though
[21:23] <@redwings1340> I don't think you can use Kenya in Jim
[21:23] <@Lotid> I know
[21:23] <@darkfiregamer> But used Combusken in jim team
[21:23] <+Loltid> ୧༼ಠ益ರೃ༽୨
[21:23] <@redwings1340> but in challenge urns you can
[21:23] <@darkfiregamer> Because Mega-Blaze is uber
[21:23] <@darkfiregamer> Same line, different evolution
[21:23] <@Whatevs4> Yeah. I don't think Kenya could be a thing...
[21:24] <@redwings1340> I don't see the problem with it
[21:24] <@redwings1340> I used Kenya on my first challenge team
[21:24] <@Whatevs4> Well, it's illegal on the gym team and would be put on the gym team if it's added to the challenge team.
[21:24] <@darkfiregamer> ^
[21:24] <@Griever> didnt we get a new prop
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> there was
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> it's how I was able to get a challegne team with volcanion
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> even though it's unreleased
[21:25] <+Loltid> New team but that means RIP all progress
[21:25] <@redwings1340> I don't think it's that different from what you did, Whatevs. Sure, its not an evolutionary line, but balance wise, it comes out to the same thing
[21:25] <@Griever> saying that gyms can have challenge teams but would have to give up gym control?
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> if you bcome champ
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> yes
[21:25] <@metalthrasher11> I did that to get volcanion
[21:26] <@Whatevs4> For the record, I'm fine with it. It just contradicts the rules. Unless we approve it right now by a vote.
[21:26] <@Griever> hold on
[21:26] <@darkfiregamer> I'm looking for the prop mega thread
[21:26] <@darkfiregamer> It should be in there
[21:27] <@darkfiregamer> Proposition JJziuxREHX: Jim leaders are permitted to create a challenge team that isn't their jim team, but they cannot do so while using their jim as their challenge team. If a jim leader becomes champion with their non-jim challenge team, they must relinquish control of their jim to someone else (becoming champion with your jim team only makes your jim inactive while you are champion)
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[21:27] <@Lotid> Hi Mega
[21:27] <@darkfiregamer> That's the prop regarding jim leaders and challenge teams
[21:27] <@darkfiregamer> Hi Mega
[21:27] <@Whatevs4> Did it pass?
[21:27] <@metalthrasher11> hey mega
[21:27] <@Lotid> DOES ANYONE WANT TO HELP ME TEST MY TEAM?
[21:27] <@darkfiregamer> Yeah
[21:27] <mega-charizard> hi
[21:27] <@darkfiregamer> It passed
[21:27] <@metalthrasher11> that prop passed
[21:27] <mega-charizard> ehart passed?
[21:28] <@darkfiregamer> This
[21:28] <@darkfiregamer> Proposition JJziuxREHX: Jim leaders are permitted to create a challenge team that isn't their jim team, but they cannot do so while using their jim as their challenge team. If a jim leader becomes champion with their non-jim challenge team, they must relinquish control of their jim to someone else (becoming champion with your jim team only makes your jim inactive while you are champion)
[21:28] <mega-charizard> WHAT PROP
[21:28] <@Lotid> Proposition JJziuxREHX: Jim leaders are permitted to create a challenge team that isn't their jim team, but they cannot do so while using their jim as their challenge team. If a jim leader becomes champion with their non-jim challenge team, they must relinquish control of their jim to someone else (becoming champion with your jim team only makes your jim inactive while you are champion)
[21:28] <@metalthrasher11> again I have a challenge team with fucking volcanion in it
[21:28] <@Lotid> Ninja'd
[21:28] <mega-charizard> WOT
[21:28] <@metalthrasher11> and that sure as hell ain't my jim team
[21:28] <mega-charizard> DAZ KOOL
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[21:28] <@Lotid> So...
[21:28] <@Lotid> Anyone?
[21:28] <@darkfiregamer> But challenge teams need to be made of TPP mon
[21:28] <@Whatevs4> What a terribly vague rule.
[21:28] <@darkfiregamer> Yeah it kinda is
[21:28] <@Lotid> Yep
[21:28] <@Griever> hmm
[21:28] <@Lotid> We may have to polish it
[21:29] <@Griever> sounds like fun
[21:29] <@darkfiregamer> I think we should
[21:29] <@Lotid> POLISH!
[21:29] <@Lotid> OK, I'll fight myself with Mega's team
[21:29] <@darkfiregamer> UHHH,
[21:29] <@darkfiregamer> why?
[21:29] <@Griever> Time to make another challenge team
[21:30] <@redwings1340> really?
[21:30] <@darkfiregamer> You restarting Griever?
[21:30] <@Lotid> I NEED TO TEST
[21:30] <@redwings1340> your challenge team is great
[21:30] <@metalthrasher11> before you do that fairy. Care to try my volcanion?
[21:30] <@Griever> I dunno
[21:30] <@redwings1340> it probably should be the champion right now
[21:30] <@darkfiregamer> Misplays is what cost you, that's all
[21:30] <@Griever> It's true
[21:30] <@redwings1340> I mean, by all means, create another team
[21:30] <@redwings1340> go ahead
[21:30] <@Griever> but also I kinda want to make a new team and stuff lol
[21:30] <@Griever> maybe i'll do testing
[21:30] <@darkfiregamer> Then go for it
[21:30] <@Griever> before I restart
[21:31] <@redwings1340> your team right now is terrible, go for a new urn and buy me a few more days on the throne
[21:31] <@redwings1340> jk
[21:31] <@metalthrasher11> Griever. I challenge you with my challenge team
[21:31] <@darkfiregamer> I might just have to start fighting the E4 now
[21:31] <@Griever> okay metal
[21:31] <@Whatevs4> How about this:
[21:31] <@darkfiregamer> I already have a valid challenge team with 20 badges
[21:31] <@Griever> I'ma change Cottonee back to Whimsicott
[21:31] <@redwings1340> eh, idk, kind of boring to win with the same challenge team again
[21:32] <@Kelcyus> Coryn: dammit I forgot to take the replay... you got it?
[21:32] <@darkfiregamer> This was a temp job
[21:32] <@darkfiregamer> The goal then was to get back to champ
[21:32] <@darkfiregamer> After losing yet again restart with a fresh team
[21:32] <+Coryn> I do not :/
[21:32] <@metalthrasher11> http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-customgame-144490269
[21:32] <@Whatevs4> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Gym leaders may create a challenge team independent of their gym team, however it must be monotype and the same type as their gym.
[21:32] <+Coryn> And we didn't share the number for the room, so we can't get back in
[21:33] <@darkfiregamer> (Or same theme)
[21:33] <@Whatevs4> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Gym leaders may create a challenge team independent of their gym team, however it must be monotype and the same type or theme as their gym.
[21:33] <@darkfiregamer> Since not all are monotype
[21:33] <@redwings1340> can Jim leaders create TPP teams instead of their monotype teams?
[21:33] <@Lotid> YAY!
[21:33] <@Whatevs4> Oh. Hmm.
[21:33] <@Iwamiger> mega-charizard
[21:33] <@darkfiregamer> Yeah they should be able to
[21:33] <@Iwamiger> I want to challenge you again
[21:33] <@mega-charizard> k
[21:33] <@Griever> Yeah that was the original idea I would think, redwings
[21:34] <@Whatevs4> Rule 11 forces monotyping, so I wanted to keep that in there.
[21:34] <@mega-charizard>  GUISE
[21:34] <@mega-charizard> CAN WE FITE PWT ALREADYYYYYYYYYY
[21:34] <@Whatevs4> But I'm down for non-mono-typing.
[21:34] <@redwings1340> I find it interesting we kind of have two classes of trainers in this league
[21:34] <@darkfiregamer> But the latest prop would allow them TPP theme'd teams
[21:34] <@redwings1340> TPP trainers and monotype trainers
[21:34] <@darkfiregamer> They just have to give up their jim when becoming champ
[21:34] <@Griever> ^
[21:35] <@Whatevs4> I mean, if they are allowed to use TPP mon, then there's no difference between them and normal challengers.
[21:35] <+Coryn> *close
[21:35] <@darkfiregamer> That was kinda the point
[21:35] <@redwings1340> do we want Jim leaders to be able to be normal challengers though?
[21:35] <@redwings1340> Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing more normal challengers
[21:35] <@Whatevs4> Okay. So let's just delete the current 11.
[21:35] <@Griever> same
[21:36] <@darkfiregamer> I think rule 11 IF they want to use their jim team to fight the league
[21:37] <@darkfiregamer> If they create a challenger team using Prop JJ(whatever) then that'd be TPP mon separate from their jim team
[21:37] <@redwings1340> in my opinion, Jim leaders should be able to create normal challenge teams, but also have the special privilege of creating a type themed challenge team
[21:37] <@darkfiregamer> Their jim teams are already type themed challenge teams they can use
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[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> In addition to using normal challenger teams
[21:38] <@redwings1340> mhm
[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> The tradeoff is that with Jim teams most won't have ubers access
[21:38] <@redwings1340> true
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[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> Anyone who uses Combusken though is a special case
[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> Or Gengar
[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> Or Lucario
[21:38] <@Griever> or kanga
[21:38] <@darkfiregamer> Or Kangaskhan
[21:39] <@redwings1340> but... lets say that AOM was seriously pursuing Jim badges and a title
[21:39] <+EliteAnax17> So guys
[21:39] <@Lotid> He has Kangha or streamer
[21:39] <+EliteAnax17> Im about to watch the footage of Bloody Sunday
[21:39] <@mega-charizard> lol
[21:39] <+EliteAnax17> I actually missed when it happened
[21:39] <@redwings1340> that would put him in an awkward position, because Kanga isn't that good and would make his Jim worse, but mega Kanga would make his challenge team a lot better
[21:39] <@darkfiregamer> It was terrible
[21:40] <@metalthrasher11> I REKD FAIRY WITH MY NEW TEAM
[21:40] <@mega-charizard> KANGA ISNT THAT GOOD?! wait i thought mega kang
[21:40] <@Lotid> Will anyone help me test my team?
[21:40] <@metalthrasher11> WILBUR KICKS ASS
[21:40] <+Coryn> I thought it was funny
[21:40] <@darkfiregamer> Mega Kanga is good
[21:40] <@darkfiregamer> Normal is meh
[21:40] <+Coryn> Bloody Sunday I mean
[21:40] <@Iwamiger> Mega-charizard I want to challenge you again
[21:40] <@mega-charizard> nu
[21:40] <@redwings1340> Lucario and Gengar don't really have that issue
[21:40] <@Iwamiger> yes
[21:40] <@Lotid> Preferably someone whose name doesnt resembles Coryn's
[21:40] <@mega-charizard> no
[21:40] <@Iwamiger> you're offically the person I'm going to keep challenging until I've beaten you
[21:40] <@darkfiregamer> Luc and Gengar sure don't
[21:41] <@Lotid> So no testing help?
[21:41] <@mega-charizard> FUDFE THAT
[21:41] <@mega-charizard> Y ME?!
[21:41] <@darkfiregamer> But I do understand where you're coming from with Kanga
[21:41] <@Iwamiger> because you keep ruining me at the last chance
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[21:41] <@mega-charizard> LEMME COLLECT URNS
[21:41] <@Lotid> I like Fudge
[21:41] <@Whatevs4> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Gym leaders may create an independent challenge team. This team must either be composed of all TPP 'mon or else monotype. The composition of this team does not affect their gym team, and may contain one uber.
[21:41] <@Whatevs4> How about that.
[21:41] <@mega-charizard> MANTIS KEEPS SNATCHING EM
[21:41] <@Lotid> Y+A+Y
[21:41] <@mega-charizard> find me in another server lel
[21:41] <@Lotid> I WANNA TEST MY TEAM! BibleThump
[21:42] <@mega-charizard> lol
[21:42] <@darkfiregamer> I think we should restrict X-deer to Arceus tier
[21:42] <@mega-charizard> no
[21:42] <@metalthrasher11> that works whatevs, but what about my jim which is dual type?
[21:42] <@Whatevs4> The gyms still don't get a uber, but the challenge team may.
[21:42] <@darkfiregamer> If we do this
[21:42] <@mega-charizard> if its not water or grass
[21:42] <@Whatevs4> I AGREE WITH THAT.
[21:42] <@mega-charizard> then no
[21:42] <@mega-charizard> I WANT LOTID
[21:42] <@redwings1340> I agree, no X-Deer
[21:42] <@redwings1340> and no Kyogre I imagine
[21:42] <@redwings1340> if that comes up
[21:42] <@darkfiregamer> You'll just follow your theme Metal
[21:42] <@Whatevs4> ^
[21:42] <@Lotid> I WANNA TEST MY TEAM!
[21:42] <@Iwamiger> mega-charizard if it's not now it's going to be later
[21:42] <@metalthrasher11> well I already did
[21:42] <@metalthrasher11> and I got my first win
[21:43] <@metalthrasher11> http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/customgame-144490269
[21:43] <@mega-charizard> DansGame
[21:43] <@darkfiregamer> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Jim leaders may create an independent challenge team. This team must either be composed of all TPP 'mon or else their theme. The composition of this team does not affect their gym team, and may contain one uber. ftfy
[21:43] <@metalthrasher11> Wilbur rekd diancie
[21:43] <@Lotid> mega-charizard: I like pinging
[21:43] <@mega-charizard> i know
[21:43] <@Whatevs4> To me, Jim = gym leader.
[21:43] <@Lotid> mega-charizard: Fite Iwa
[21:43] <@mega-charizard> no
[21:43] <@Lotid> mega-charizard: Pls
[21:43] <@mega-charizard> i fought him 2 times
[21:43] <@darkfiregamer> Look at sentence two
[21:43] <@darkfiregamer> I changed monotype to theme
[21:43] <@Lotid> mega-charizard: NUMER THREE OR RIOT!
[21:43] <@darkfiregamer> Since not all jims are monotype
[21:44] <@Whatevs4> Oh, right. Sorry.
[21:44] <@darkfiregamer> Gotta be clear on these things
[21:44] <@Whatevs4> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Gym leaders may create an independent challenge team. This team must either be composed of all TPP 'mon or else follow their theme. The composition of this team does not affect their gym team, and may contain one uber.
[21:44] <@Iwamiger> fight me a third time mega-charizard
[21:44] <@Whatevs4> Sorry, I wanted 'follow' in there.
[21:44] <@Lotid> I CAN'T TEST IN MONOTYPE!
[21:44] <@mega-charizard> no
[21:44] <@Lotid> AND UBER REKTS ME WITH KYOGRE!
[21:44] <@Whatevs4> So can we vote on this?
[21:44] <@darkfiregamer> Can we change one uber to one uber with some restrictions?
[21:44] <@Iwamiger> what sort of E4 are you supposed to be
[21:44] <@Lotid> yay
[21:44] <@Iwamiger> lol
[21:44] <@Iwamiger> fight me
[21:44] <@metalthrasher11> the only thing I wish is that if I win with this jim team since aside from volcanion I have all TPP mon, is that If I'm champion and I lose
[21:45] <@mega-charizard> find me
[21:45] <@Griever> Yay
[21:45] <@mega-charizard> im in lobby
[21:45] <@metalthrasher11> I would be guaranteed my jim back
[21:45] <@redwings1340> yay
[21:45] <@darkfiregamer> Some ubers will be too tough to handle
[21:45] <@Iwamiger> I sent you a challenge
[21:45] <@darkfiregamer> otherwise yay
[21:45] <@mega-charizard> nope
[21:45] <@Lotid> Iwa, use /challenge
[21:45] <@redwings1340> agree with darkfire
[21:45] <@mega-charizard> im in another server :D
[21:45] <@metalthrasher11> and yay to th prop
[21:45] <@redwings1340> I think we would have to approve ubers
[21:45] <@darkfiregamer> ^
[21:45] <@mega-charizard> v
[21:45] <@darkfiregamer> ^
[21:45] <@Lotid> iepw
[21:45] <@Iwamiger> you aren't even on PS according to the challenge reply
[21:45] <@Whatevs4> Prop 11R3D0: (To replace Rule 11) Gym leaders may create an independent challenge team. This team must either be composed of all TPP 'mon or else follow their theme. The composition of this team does not affect their gym team, and may contain one uber subject to approval by the IRC.
[21:46] <@darkfiregamer> Yay
[21:46] <@Griever> yay
[21:46] <@Lotid> yay
[21:46] <@Whatevs4> yay
[21:46] <@metalthrasher11> yay
[21:46] <@Iwamiger> and
[21:46] <@redwings1340> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-xy-ubers-viability-ranking-thread.3496305/
[21:46] <@Iwamiger> there you are
[21:46] <@mega-charizard> YAY
[21:46] <@mega-charizard> lol
[21:46] <@Lotid> Mega, fight Iwa
[21:46] <@Iwamiger> wow nice to not hold up your end of the deal
[21:46] <@redwings1340> probably no Kyogre, Arceus, Mewtwo, or Xerneas
[21:47] <@mega-charizard> >.>
[21:47] <@mega-charizard> wat deal
[21:47] <@darkfiregamer> I'd agree with that
[21:47] <@darkfiregamer> Well it looks like the prop passed
[21:47] <@Whatevs4> Should it be "Gym leaders and E4?"
[21:47] <@Iwamiger> just challenge me one last time for tonight
[21:47] <@DuplexBeGreat> THERE IS NO PANSEAR HERE BibleThump
[21:47] <@darkfiregamer> Yeah
[21:47] <@darkfiregamer> Well
[21:47] <@darkfiregamer> Maybe
[21:47] <@redwings1340> eh
[21:47] <@redwings1340> idk
[21:48] <@darkfiregamer> I can't use my theme to create a new team since half of it would be the same mon for example
[21:48] <@Whatevs4> Eh, the rules for E4 challenge teams are probably sufficient.
[21:48] <@darkfiregamer> That's kinda redundant
[21:48] <@redwings1340> I'm fine with the E4 rules right ow
[21:48] <@redwings1340> now
[21:48] <@darkfiregamer> Yeah, let's just keep this to jim leaders
[21:48] <@Iwamiger> darkfiregamer since mega-charizard is being a john can I fight you again
[21:48] <@Whatevs4> We need one more yay on that prop.
[21:48] <@Iwamiger> oh, and yay
[21:48] <@Whatevs4> WHOOO!