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  1. [12:33:21 PM] Chocobo: i have alot of accounting questions
  2. [12:33:33 PM] Chocobo: in like 30 mins we can go through it
  3. [12:33:35 PM] Noir X: fire away
  4. [12:33:37 PM] Noir X: ok
  5. [12:59:43 PM] Chocobo: ok lets start going over this
  6. [1:00:21 PM] Chocobo: first off, how much BTC have the GF miners mined?
  7. [1:00:59 PM] Chocobo: i know that logan and koontas had access for a little bit but it wasnt long enough to mess up an estimate
  8. [1:01:10 PM] Noir X: under my control they have mined exactly what is on eligius
  9. [1:01:37 PM] Noir X: during the time they were on Koontas and Logans watch we'd need them to tell us
  10. [1:01:49 PM] Noir X: because it was used to buy BTC
  11. [1:02:04 PM] Noir X: Logan would sometimes post how much BTC had been mined
  12. [1:02:09 PM] Noir X: Koontas did not
  13. [1:03:21 PM] Chocobo: in your accounting it is hard to tell but it looks like the miners have paid for 11.1 BTC in expenses
  14. [1:03:51 PM] Chocobo: yeah that is what it says
  15. [1:04:49 PM] Chocobo: but the eligius only has 9 BTC mined
  16. [1:05:08 PM] Chocobo: which is less than 1/3 of what should have been mined
  17. [1:05:26 PM] Noir X: **should
  18. [1:05:39 PM] Noir X: being the key word
  19. [1:05:54 PM] Chocobo: but why are their 11.1 BTC in expenses?
  20. [1:06:00 PM] Noir X: even now i just checked eligius and it looks like they went down some time ago
  21. [1:06:09 PM] Noir X: likely because the 15th has passed
  22. [1:06:34 PM] Chocobo: no this is a doc you gave me awhile ago
  23. [1:07:10 PM] Noir X: huh?
  24. [1:07:13 PM] Noir X: the doc says what?
  25. [1:07:24 PM] Chocobo: you made a BTC accounting doc
  26. [1:07:31 PM] Chocobo: from the miners
  27. [1:08:11 PM] Chocobo: it says that there were 11.1 BTC in paid expenses from the miners
  28. [1:08:53 PM] Noir X: ah, lost track there
  29. [1:08:56 PM] Chocobo: ?
  30. [1:09:20 PM] Noir X: no i had mixed up two conversations
  31. [1:10:44 PM] Chocobo: so there had to be more that 9 BTC mined if you reinbursed yourself 11.1 BTC in expenses
  32. [1:11:26 PM] Noir X: No, i stopped re-imbursing myself a while ago, Logan was handling all that until he went awol
  33. [1:11:41 PM] Noir X: +4 months or more ago
  34. [1:11:44 PM] Chocobo: still a 2 BTC difference
  35. [1:12:18 PM] Chocobo: and that counts the last 4 months in mining
  36. [1:12:18 PM] Noir X: that depends
  37. [1:12:24 PM] Chocobo: so a bigger difference
  38. [1:12:56 PM] Noir X: yeah , im not sure i am understanding
  39. [1:13:11 PM] Chocobo: you wrote this doc man
  40. [1:13:22 PM] Chocobo: not logan
  41. [1:14:48 PM] Chocobo: ok well we can move on to other things
  42. [1:14:51 PM] Noir X: ok, i am looking at it now
  43. [1:14:58 PM] Chocobo: alright
  44. [1:15:07 PM] Noir X: had to get an online copy
  45. [1:16:36 PM] Noir X: ok, so you were asking about which part exactly?
  46. [1:17:27 PM] Chocobo: there are 11.1 BTC in expenses paid to you and 9 BTC on eligius
  47. [1:17:48 PM] Chocobo: so where did the extra come from?
  48. [1:18:12 PM] Noir X: the extra came from mining Ops
  49. [1:18:28 PM] Chocobo: that is the mining op
  50. [1:18:31 PM] Noir X: the miners were moved to the other guys control
  51. [1:18:39 PM] Chocobo: what other guy?
  52. [1:18:42 PM] Noir X: and some of it came from there
  53. [1:19:01 PM] Chocobo: fivemil?
  54. [1:19:11 PM] Chocobo: or who
  55. [1:19:21 PM] Noir X: Logan and Koontas
  56. [1:19:27 PM] Noir X: No
  57. [1:19:34 PM] Noir X: Logan and Koontas
  58. [1:19:44 PM] Chocobo: so you do know how much they mined
  59. [1:19:51 PM] Chocobo: since you got it
  60. [1:20:00 PM] Noir X: Logan paid some of the cost of hosting at some point but that is around the time he started disappearing
  61. [1:20:11 PM] Noir X: No, i do not
  62. [1:20:28 PM] Noir X: they would mine and buy NRS and give to the shareholders independent of me
  63. [1:20:44 PM] Chocobo: yeah that was a small amount
  64. [1:21:01 PM] Chocobo: so
  65. [1:21:01 PM] Noir X: No
  66. [1:21:07 PM] Chocobo: how much?
  67. [1:21:20 PM] Noir X: i dont think so
  68. [1:21:31 PM] Noir X: i remember there was a time they were distributing almost a BTC worth
  69. [1:21:33 PM] Chocobo: not more than 6k NRS was sent to the WHOLE GF
  70. [1:21:49 PM] Noir X: impossible
  71. [1:22:04 PM] Chocobo: well in that case I didnt get my sharee
  72. [1:22:25 PM] Noir X: i remember there was a day we were discussing the pay out and there was more than 4k
  73. [1:22:31 PM] Noir X: on a single payout
  74. [1:22:41 PM] Noir X: let me do this
  75. [1:22:52 PM] Noir X: i will get all the history of the chat
  76. [1:22:53 PM] Chocobo: so you are saying the whole mining op brought in 13ish BTC
  77. [1:22:59 PM] Noir X: and post it to you
  78. [1:23:19 PM] Noir X: we had curecoins, a ton of them that were mined but never recovered
  79. [1:25:36 PM] Noir X: i think theres is something wrong with skype
  80. [1:26:26 PM] Chocobo: that was not more than a weekend was it?
  81. [1:26:41 PM] Chocobo: also why were they left on a pool?
  82. [1:27:02 PM] *** Call from Noir X ***
  83. [1:27:31 PM] Chocobo: you know how to mine they should have been on autowithdrawn
  84. [1:27:48 PM] Chocobo: yeah its laggy
  85. [1:28:11 PM] Chocobo: more than 4k is still less than 6k
  86. [1:28:28 PM] Noir X: on a single pay out?
  87. [1:28:29 PM] Noir X: there was more
  88. [1:28:33 PM] Noir X: and i know it
  89. [1:28:44 PM] Chocobo: ok you find that
  90. [1:28:44 PM] Noir X: i will hunt down my old wallet and prove it
  91. [1:29:01 PM] Noir X: i recieved at leat 4 or 5 payouts which were not too bad
  92. [1:29:02 PM] Chocobo: in the mean time
  93. [1:29:31 PM] Noir X: can you check for Hdd recovery tools and their general cost ?
  94. [1:29:43 PM] Chocobo: how many BTC/NRS/PTS/NRB/anything is in the GF currently?
  95. [1:29:44 PM] Noir X: everyday is getting worse without recovering my data
  96. [1:30:16 PM] Noir X: I bought NRS for payouts and held it
  97. [1:30:22 PM] Noir X: :P
  98. [1:30:34 PM] Noir X: so we have a healthy sum
  99. [1:30:43 PM] Noir X: 34k
  100. [1:30:56 PM] Chocobo: from the miners?
  101. [1:31:05 PM] Noir X: i hope we can finish this today
  102. [1:31:15 PM] Noir X: i am feeling very unsettled
  103. [1:31:28 PM] Noir X: yes from mining
  104. [1:31:44 PM] Chocobo: ok well the GF should have a shitload more in it
  105. [1:32:09 PM] Noir X: from where?
  106. [1:32:35 PM] Chocobo: 157500 NRB, 474.99 PTS, 167112.76 NRS
  107. [1:32:41 PM] Chocobo: from the shares
  108. [1:32:47 PM] Noir X: ALL of that is mine
  109. [1:32:56 PM] Chocobo: there was enough BTC to pay for the miners
  110. [1:33:06 PM] Chocobo: the rest belongs to the GF
  111. [1:33:14 PM] Noir X: No there was not
  112. [1:34:05 PM] Noir X: Entire GF investment went into miners
  113. [1:34:11 PM] Chocobo: no lol
  114. [1:34:35 PM] Chocobo: how much BTC was in the GF shares on your accounting of it
  115. [1:35:21 PM] Noir X: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhCtiOzdwvPydEdVS21zTlptWjVGZkgxeDhxMUlzY3c&usp=drive_web
  116. [1:35:35 PM] Noir X: that is the original doc
  117. [1:35:52 PM] Chocobo: thats out of date
  118. [1:35:59 PM] Chocobo: there are 50ish shares
  119. [1:36:07 PM] Chocobo: and even by that account
  120. [1:36:12 PM] Chocobo: there was 27 BTC
  121. [1:36:33 PM] Chocobo: you dont get the rest of it as a tip for ordering
  122. [1:36:43 PM] Noir X: lol
  123. [1:37:04 PM] Chocobo: 31.69270825
  124. [1:37:13 PM] Chocobo: thats how much BTC logan has
  125. [1:37:25 PM] Chocobo: as the number
  126. [1:37:51 PM] Chocobo: his other account of it was 28.95000255 BTC
  127. [1:38:00 PM] Chocobo: at the most 3 BTC off the price
  128. [1:38:09 PM] Noir X: Lets start here
  129. [1:38:14 PM] Noir X: how much was paid in BTC
  130. [1:38:29 PM] Chocobo: you dont get 157500 NRB, 474.99 PTS, 167112.76 NRS for 3 BTC
  131. [1:39:46 PM] Chocobo: it looks like 28.95000255 BTC or 31.69270825 BTC
  132. [1:39:59 PM] Noir X: https://blockchain.info/tx/ee4c96dd03441e8f386147a5102e42ea654449002d140763e583e56fdd660196
  133. [1:40:07 PM] Noir X: https://blockchain.info/tx/336b37f26d728f504735e413bc5bf381105411566956313e8ca1cba017c92304
  134. [1:40:16 PM] Noir X: https://blockchain.info/tx/db1463432149eb59d7b35f313a5c9455a6a6fd13b2a96939eb3818f601461508
  135. [1:40:34 PM] Noir X: https://blockchain.info/tx/dc34ec3375aaef7d7a6a071ee9b882a9a32e3e50bfcd8cb8868ed486b6bd2617
  136. [1:40:52 PM] Noir X: please confirm that all these were sent to escrow with Ognasty
  137. [1:41:08 PM] Chocobo: two of those are the same
  138. [1:41:28 PM] Chocobo: and yes i have you down for sending him 32 BTCish
  139. [1:42:04 PM] Noir X: ok then
  140. [1:42:14 PM] Chocobo: but that only adds up to 24 BTC
  141. [1:42:23 PM] Noir X: most of the setup costs all have the problem that it was just my word
  142. [1:42:28 PM] Chocobo: I think you linked one twice
  143. [1:42:38 PM] Noir X: oh, ok
  144. [1:42:49 PM] Noir X: i just took them online from blockchain
  145. [1:43:24 PM] Chocobo: but you were repaying yourself from the mining op
  146. [1:43:37 PM] Noir X: No
  147. [1:43:48 PM] Chocobo: yeah you just said that scroll up
  148. [1:43:53 PM] Noir X: immediately on their arrival i was asked to pay Duty
  149. [1:44:41 PM] Noir X: Chocobo....how was i repaying myself before the Op even existed ?
  150. [1:44:54 PM] Chocobo: [1:11 PM] Noir X:
  151.  
  152. <<< No, i stopped re-imbursing myself a while ago, Logan was handling all that until he went awol
  153. [1:45:26 PM] Chocobo: you werent but right now u are saying you took the GF funds AND repayed yourself
  154. [1:45:40 PM] Noir X: [1:37 PM] Noir X:
  155.  
  156. <<< Lets start here
  157. https://blockchain.info/tx/ee4c96dd03441e8f386147a5102e42ea654449002d140763e583e56fdd660196
  158. [1:46:10 PM] Noir X: i thought we were starting from the beginning so we can make sure everything is in order
  159. [1:46:31 PM] Chocobo: im not just going to forget part of it
  160. [1:46:44 PM] Chocobo: ok so
  161. [1:47:01 PM] Chocobo: duty + tax was how much?
  162. [1:47:46 PM] Noir X: i cant find any of the papers and noone i share office with is answering
  163. [1:48:10 PM] Noir X: let me get my phone
  164. [1:48:11 PM] Noir X: but it is there in the history chats
  165. [1:48:36 PM] Chocobo: do you know the date you paid it?
  166. [1:48:54 PM] Noir X: i paid it all in cash
  167. [1:49:04 PM] Noir X: on they day the first batch arrived
  168. [1:49:18 PM] Noir X: then i paid 3 days later for the second batch
  169. [1:49:29 PM] Noir X: (visa issues)
  170. [1:50:37 PM] Noir X: ok, i have logs, but i am not sure how to send
  171. [1:50:39 PM] Noir X: yes
  172. [1:50:41 PM] Noir X: i remember no w
  173. [1:51:01 PM] Noir X: it should be the first week of april when i got the miners
  174. [1:51:36 PM] Chocobo: how much was the combined duty?
  175. [1:52:20 PM] Noir X: it was a lot
  176. [1:52:35 PM] Noir X: 40% of cost i think
  177. [1:52:51 PM] Noir X: how do you send an entire conversation on skype?
  178. [1:53:08 PM] Chocobo: how big is it?
  179. [1:53:38 PM] Chocobo: 40% of cost would be around 10k USD
  180. [1:54:30 PM] Chocobo: is that how much it cost you?
  181. [1:54:54 PM] Noir X: no, cant be that high
  182. [1:55:06 PM] Noir X: i have no exact figure for you right now
  183. [1:55:24 PM] Noir X: it wa lower than that definetly
  184. [1:55:32 PM] Noir X: :O
  185. [1:56:02 PM] Chocobo: because you took around 19 shares worth of BTC in alts as repayment
  186. [1:56:48 PM] Noir X: no
  187. [1:56:53 PM] Chocobo: yes
  188. [1:56:55 PM] Noir X: some of it was from mining
  189. [1:57:01 PM] Chocobo: 50 shares - 31 shares
  190. [1:57:10 PM] Noir X: the alts were worth very little at the time
  191. [1:57:21 PM] Chocobo: ok so you took mining on top of it even worse
  192. [1:57:30 PM] Chocobo: lol they were worth 19 BTC
  193. [1:57:34 PM] Noir X: I dod not take
  194. [1:57:41 PM] Noir X: *did
  195. [1:57:55 PM] Chocobo: you said that you got ALL of the GF shares funds
  196. [1:58:22 PM] Noir X: yes, alts but not from mining
  197. [1:58:30 PM] Noir X: [1:57 PM] Chocobo:
  198.  
  199. <<< k so you took mining on top of it even wors
  200. [1:58:43 PM] Noir X: i did not take from mining
  201. [1:58:58 PM] Chocobo: [1:56 PM] Noir X:
  202.  
  203. <<< some of it was from mining
  204. [1:59:05 PM] Noir X: i told everyone when and where i would spend my own money and they would take note
  205. [1:59:20 PM] Noir X: then they would re-imburse me
  206. [1:59:29 PM] Noir X: there are logs to that effect
  207. [1:59:46 PM] Noir X: skype is frustrating
  208. [2:00:00 PM] Noir X: how do i just send you the whole converstaion?
  209. [2:00:33 PM] Chocobo: the end effect is you getting 11.1 BTC from the op, 167112.76 NRS, 157500 NRB , and 474.99 PTS for duty
  210. [2:00:38 PM] Chocobo: that is stealing
  211. [2:00:47 PM] Chocobo: use pastebin
  212. [2:01:53 PM] Noir X: lol, now you are accusing me of stealing
  213. [2:01:55 PM] Noir X: wow
  214. [2:02:07 PM] Noir X: actually
  215. [2:02:13 PM] Chocobo: dude you need to justify this
  216. [2:02:23 PM] Chocobo: if the above is true
  217. [2:02:26 PM] Noir X: i cant use paste bin from phone
  218. [2:02:31 PM] Chocobo: then yeah its stealing
  219. [2:02:41 PM] Chocobo: and you are telling me its true
  220. [2:02:57 PM] Chocobo: what conclusion should i make?
  221. [2:03:25 PM] Noir X: you are free to conclude whatever you wish but you are painting the wrong picture
  222. [2:03:48 PM] Noir X: YOU are the one trying to put this the wrong way
  223. [2:04:25 PM] Noir X: first and foremost , i would pay for the miners , then wait as the funds slowly accumulated and re-imbursed me
  224. [2:04:45 PM] Noir X: after that i paid duty which was paid back to me
  225. [2:04:46 PM] Chocobo: tell me where I am wrong
  226. [2:04:59 PM] Chocobo: thats why I am asking
  227. [2:05:15 PM] Noir X: well, you have already called me a thief
  228. [2:05:39 PM] Chocobo: I said you are a thief IF this is true
  229. [2:05:43 PM] Noir X: so let me just find a way to post the logs and be done with this
  230. [2:05:47 PM] Chocobo: so prove it wrong
  231. [2:05:59 PM] Chocobo: this line
  232. [2:06:01 PM] Chocobo: [2:00 PM] Chocobo:
  233.  
  234. <<< the end effect is you getting 11.1 BTC from the op, 167112.76 NRS, 157500 NRB , and 474.99 PTS for duty
  235. [2:06:09 PM] Chocobo: what is inaccurate
  236. [2:07:12 PM] Chocobo: http://pastebin.com/
  237. [2:07:45 PM] Noir X: FINALLY
  238. [2:07:53 PM] Noir X: i got a copy of the document
  239. [2:08:04 PM] Noir X: There are in fact not 50 shares
  240. [2:08:20 PM] Noir X: in the sense that you have placed them
  241. [2:08:42 PM] Chocobo: explain
  242. [2:08:58 PM] Noir X: the total btc is 28.95
  243. [2:09:01 PM] Noir X: please confirm
  244. [2:09:14 PM] Noir X: then the value of the PTS is 3ish BTC
  245. [2:09:28 PM] Chocobo: its either that or 31.69270825 BTC
  246. [2:09:33 PM] Chocobo: now or then?
  247. [2:09:52 PM] Noir X: and 1.8 for the NRB
  248. [2:10:05 PM] Noir X: the value at that time
  249. [2:10:05 PM] Chocobo: what values are you using
  250. [2:10:18 PM] Chocobo: look here
  251. [2:10:19 PM] Chocobo: http://puu.sh/9Ae81/880a769c48.pdf
  252. [2:10:25 PM] Chocobo: 50 shares
  253. [2:10:31 PM] Noir X: so there are in fact the document by logan, which is just an updated version of the roriginal
  254. [2:11:34 PM] Noir X: havent gotten round to installing PDF viewer
  255. [2:11:36 PM] Chocobo: yes that is all he did besides a similar version with expenses
  256. [2:11:36 PM] Noir X: lol
  257. [2:11:44 PM] Chocobo: there are 50 shares
  258. [2:11:54 PM] Chocobo: each share was bought at a 1 BTC price
  259. [2:12:05 PM] Noir X: which is where your misconception is
  260. [2:12:15 PM] Noir X: lets look at the facts
  261. [2:12:47 PM] Noir X: it does not stand for 50 BTC
  262. [2:12:55 PM] Noir X: i'll explain that later but first
  263. [2:13:00 PM] Noir X: confirm for me
  264. [2:13:12 PM] Noir X: 28.***** BTC
  265. [2:13:22 PM] Noir X: + 3.***** BTC
  266. [2:13:30 PM] Noir X: +1.**** BTC
  267. [2:13:42 PM] Noir X: is the total investment
  268. [2:13:45 PM] Noir X: in BTC NRB and NRS
  269. [2:13:51 PM] Chocobo: no way
  270. [2:13:58 PM] Noir X: because ?
  271. [2:14:01 PM] Chocobo: NRS was 16 BTC worth
  272. [2:14:31 PM] Chocobo: it was priced at 10k NRS per share usually
  273. [2:14:40 PM] Chocobo: 167k NRS
  274. [2:15:13 PM] Noir X: stop arguing please and let us consider the facts
  275. [2:15:13 PM] Chocobo: see?
  276. [2:15:17 PM] Noir X: those are the figures you have no?
  277. [2:15:32 PM] Chocobo: that is a fact
  278. [2:15:47 PM] Chocobo: the NRS was worth 16 BTC
  279. [2:16:07 PM] Chocobo: dont dance around that
  280. [2:16:17 PM] Noir X: IT IS NOT WORTH !^ BTC
  281. [2:16:37 PM] Chocobo: lol what
  282. [2:16:48 PM] Noir X: the initial valuation WAS 10K NRS to 1 BTC
  283. [2:16:48 PM] Noir X: but that did not hold
  284. [2:17:33 PM] Noir X: which is what i am trying to get you to see if you would stop and try to follow what i am saying
  285. [2:17:49 PM] Noir X: you can poke at the logic all you want but we will not get anything done if we kkeep interupting each other
  286. [2:17:56 PM] Chocobo: go ahead
  287. [2:18:07 PM] Noir X: the valuation of the combined fund is there
  288. [2:18:33 PM] Chocobo: the 167k NRS was NEVER worth 1 BTC
  289. [2:18:38 PM] Chocobo: fix that
  290. [2:19:07 PM] Noir X: the NRB was worth 1.8 BTC
  291. [2:19:23 PM] Noir X: what was the price of NRS at market at that time?
  292. [2:21:18 PM] Noir X: +28 BTc +3 BTc and +1.8 BTC
  293. [2:21:40 PM] Noir X: unless i am mistaken it was 0.000003- 0.00006
  294. [2:22:01 PM] Chocobo: ok now add the NRS
  295. [2:22:50 PM] Chocobo: you are way mistaken
  296. [2:23:02 PM] Noir X: NO you are
  297. [2:23:15 PM] Noir X: because the document confirms what i am saying
  298. [2:23:20 PM] Chocobo: 0.000003?
  299. [2:23:25 PM] Chocobo: never got that low
  300. [2:23:36 PM] Noir X: look at investor lajz99 aka koontas
  301. [2:23:54 PM] Chocobo: The lowest it got was 3k sats weeks after this
  302. [2:24:05 PM] Chocobo: 10k sats is the price to use here
  303. [2:24:14 PM] Noir X: his investment was 15k NRS yet his share is 1.3
  304. [2:24:25 PM] Chocobo: 16.6 BTC worth of NRS
  305. [2:24:38 PM] Noir X: nethyb 20k NRS his share is 1.8
  306. [2:25:14 PM] Noir X: wallace512 (one of the very first ) 10k for one share
  307. [2:26:10 PM] Chocobo: yeah
  308. [2:26:17 PM] Noir X: meaning that your assumption of 10k NRS == 1 BTC is way off
  309. [2:26:37 PM] Noir X: and i can even show you the post where i told people about it on the forum
  310. [2:26:41 PM] Chocobo: 10k for one share is 10k NRS == 1 BTC
  311. [2:26:52 PM] Noir X: i will link you
  312. [2:26:56 PM] Noir X: THAT WAS CHANGED
  313. [2:27:17 PM] Noir X: early in the investment group
  314. [2:27:32 PM] Noir X: it was not sustainable because i was paying using my own BTC upfront
  315. [2:27:45 PM] Chocobo: ok link the change
  316. [2:28:59 PM] Noir X: searching the old thread
  317. [2:30:22 PM] Noir X: lol
  318. [2:30:35 PM] Noir X: did you trade here https://openex.pw/
  319. [2:30:56 PM] Noir X: if you did you would know that your price estimates are wrong
  320. [2:31:20 PM] Chocobo: what was it there?
  321. [2:32:02 PM] Noir X: not sure, but i remember a chat between me and JakethePanda where you could buy 60k or more for a bitcoin
  322. [2:32:02 PM] Chocobo: it was actually high there for awhile
  323. [2:32:08 PM] Noir X: NJO
  324. [2:32:09 PM] Noir X: NO
  325. [2:32:13 PM] Chocobo: that was later man
  326. [2:32:21 PM] Noir X: it only rose when it went on poloniex
  327. [2:32:25 PM] Chocobo: no lol
  328. [2:32:35 PM] Noir X: openex was the first exchange
  329. [2:32:41 PM] Chocobo: it was at 12k sats on openex until polo
  330. [2:32:44 PM] Chocobo: yeah i know
  331. [2:33:02 PM] Chocobo: it was over 12k most of the initial time
  332. [2:33:24 PM] Noir X: i wish i'd taken screenshots
  333. [2:33:29 PM] Chocobo: find the share price in the thread
  334. [2:33:57 PM] Chocobo: thats what you can use
  335. [2:34:07 PM] Noir X: thats 40 pages to search
  336. [2:34:49 PM] Chocobo: actually
  337. [2:34:59 PM] Chocobo: logan recorded the NRS value
  338. [2:35:17 PM] Chocobo: but go ahead and find the trade price
  339. [2:35:29 PM] Chocobo: how many NRS for a share
  340. [2:35:35 PM] Noir X: where?
  341. [2:36:09 PM] Chocobo: you said the old thread right?
  342. [2:36:29 PM] Noir X: yeah
  343. [2:36:46 PM] Noir X: page 25 quotes the original
  344. [2:36:50 PM] Noir X: So basically, 1000NRS=10PTS=0.1BTC=0.1Share
  345. [2:37:07 PM] Chocobo: 10000 NRS u mean
  346. [2:37:18 PM] Chocobo: oh nm
  347. [2:37:20 PM] Chocobo: yeah
  348. [2:37:21 PM] Noir X: no 1000
  349. [2:37:39 PM] Chocobo: so 10000 NRS = 1 Share
  350. [2:37:42 PM] Chocobo: as I said
  351. [2:37:48 PM] Noir X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.msg5728676#msg5728676
  352. [2:38:03 PM] Noir X: thats when we started thinking about it
  353. [2:44:19 PM] Noir X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.msg5800844#msg5800844
  354. [2:46:01 PM] Noir X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.msg5812801#msg5812801
  355. [2:46:05 PM] Noir X: Funny enough
  356. [2:46:10 PM] Noir X: it was you i was talking to
  357. [2:46:20 PM] Noir X: in all this
  358. [2:46:51 PM] Chocobo: where are the rates changed?
  359. [2:47:23 PM] Chocobo: all that is is talk of gaming the base price
  360. [2:48:01 PM] Noir X: i'm searching ..you know, page by page
  361. [2:48:17 PM] Chocobo: also that last post is talking about adding a sixth miner
  362. [2:48:24 PM] Chocobo: never happened
  363. [2:48:37 PM] Noir X: can you guess why?
  364. [2:49:00 PM] Noir X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.msg5891791#msg5891791
  365. [2:49:09 PM] Noir X: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464197.msg5892825#msg5892825
  366. [2:49:59 PM] Chocobo: still not as low as you are claiming
  367. [2:51:18 PM] Chocobo: infact I just found logans accounting and the LOWEST price bought in at was 5.6k the median being 8k
  368. [2:51:35 PM] Chocobo: that is still around 10 BTC of NRS
  369. [2:51:50 PM] Chocobo: which wasnt needed for the miners
  370. [2:51:53 PM] Noir X: where is this , you said he did it but i do not see it in his document
  371. [2:52:10 PM] Chocobo: under NRS valuation
  372. [2:53:33 PM] Chocobo: there is also a post where logan believes that the NRS still belongs to the GF as well as others asking for access to it
  373. [2:53:38 PM] Chocobo: it was left over
  374. [2:55:19 PM] Noir X: *believes
  375. [2:55:48 PM] Noir X: that was before he had taken control and was still taking in all the information
  376. [2:55:57 PM] Chocobo: there is no doubt that that NRS wasn needed for the miners
  377. [2:56:00 PM] Chocobo: wasnt
  378. [2:56:04 PM] Noir X: however you keep distracting me
  379. [2:56:17 PM] Noir X: we've been at this for hours
  380. [2:56:27 PM] Noir X: let us do and be done
  381. [2:56:35 PM] Noir X: LOL
  382. [2:56:48 PM] Chocobo: how are you not seeing that the NRS was left over
  383. [2:57:04 PM] Chocobo: hell the BTC and PTS covered the miners alone
  384. [2:57:07 PM] Noir X: have we agreed that the total of BTC investment was 28.*** BTC
  385. [2:57:54 PM] Chocobo: either that or 31.6 but use 28.95000255 BTC if you wish
  386. [2:57:58 PM] Noir X: and do we agree that at that time the pts was worth between 3 and 4 BTC
  387. [2:58:27 PM] Noir X: ok, to err on the side of caution , let us use 31 BTC
  388. [2:58:53 PM] Chocobo: sure on the PTS
  389. [2:58:55 PM] Noir X: so we have a BTC investment of 31 and an additional 3.5 worth in pTS
  390. [2:59:10 PM] Noir X: are we in agreement?
  391. [2:59:28 PM] Chocobo: yes
  392. [2:59:56 PM] Noir X: good, that makes for 34.5 BTC , let us then subtract the cost of the miners
  393. [3:00:14 PM] Noir X: that leaves ~+2 BTC
  394. [3:00:15 PM] Chocobo: add the NRB too
  395. [3:00:28 PM] Noir X: lets not rush
  396. [3:00:39 PM] Noir X: we've already used up 4 hours
  397. [3:00:53 PM] Chocobo: 2 hrs
  398. [3:01:15 PM] Noir X: if we remove the BTC and PTs we have roughly 2 BTC and NRS
  399. [3:01:19 PM] Noir X: and NRB
  400. [3:01:45 PM] Noir X: the NRB was valued at 1.8 BTC do you contest this value?
  401. [3:02:18 PM] Chocobo: where is the price even recorded for NRB?
  402. [3:02:20 PM] Chocobo: 1 sec
  403. [3:02:37 PM] Noir X: we used cryptsy price of the time
  404. [3:02:50 PM] Noir X: same as we used exchange prices for PTS and NRS
  405. [3:03:11 PM] Noir X: however , feel free to check
  406. [3:03:29 PM] Chocobo: what price are you using?
  407. [3:04:07 PM] Noir X: i am not using a price, i am using the document you have in your possesion
  408. [3:04:24 PM] Chocobo: ok
  409. [3:04:30 PM] Chocobo: sounds right
  410. [3:05:12 PM] Noir X: so, for mathematical ease , lets us say it is now 4 BTC
  411. [3:05:17 PM] Noir X: agreed?
  412. [3:05:20 PM] Chocobo: yes
  413. [3:05:36 PM] Noir X: now, using the prices you just quoted me
  414. [3:05:40 PM] Noir X: (logans)
  415. [3:05:49 PM] Noir X: how much is the NRS worth?
  416. [3:06:33 PM] Chocobo: well looking at his valuation
  417. [3:07:16 PM] Chocobo: the mean looks to be 7k-8k sats
  418. [3:07:25 PM] Chocobo: what do you think
  419. [3:07:54 PM] Noir X: you suggested a median of 8k, what are the majority values which hold the larger payments of 15k and 20k ?
  420. [3:08:10 PM] Noir X: for arguments sake lets use 8k
  421. [3:08:45 PM] Noir X: that makes a value of 13 BTC
  422. [3:09:15 PM] Noir X: which gives us a total of 17 BTC
  423. [3:09:37 PM] Noir X: (highly optimistic figure)
  424. [3:10:59 PM] Noir X: lets us say that i paid 10 BTC equivalent in customs duty
  425. [3:11:08 PM] Noir X: that leaves 7 BTC
  426. [3:12:14 PM] Noir X: and from that lets say i spent 2.5 on on modifying the grid in my home ( the miners were there the first few months)
  427. [3:12:35 PM] Noir X: that still leaves 4.5 BTC unaccounted for from our highly optimistic figure
  428. [3:13:12 PM] Chocobo: yeah but those estimates are optimistic as well
  429. [3:13:36 PM] Noir X: this all the while has not in any way taken into account the constant replacing of extension cables and power supplies that i did
  430. [3:13:49 PM] Noir X: say in total i have to account for 4 BTC
  431. [3:13:54 PM] Noir X: oh
  432. [3:14:08 PM] Noir X: those figures were optimzed against me
  433. [3:14:08 PM] Chocobo: your estimate for duty is 6.5 BTC
  434. [3:14:29 PM] Chocobo: in the doc you made
  435. [3:14:51 PM] Chocobo: 3 BTC of which was paid through miners
  436. [3:15:14 PM] Chocobo: so go ahead and add 6.5 to that
  437. [3:15:23 PM] Noir X: SLOW DOWN
  438. [3:15:34 PM] Chocobo: and that makes me believe the 2.5 BTC is overestimated as well
  439. [3:16:06 PM] Noir X: does it state how many miners that duty was for?
  440. [3:16:59 PM] Noir X: your statements are starting to show that you'll say anything right now to try and prove me wrong
  441. [3:17:53 PM] Noir X: lets us make a rough calculation, hell i'll be free on friday i can even go to the tax office myself
  442. [3:18:48 PM] Chocobo: what do you mean man
  443. [3:18:57 PM] Chocobo: im going off what you gave me
  444. [3:19:21 PM] Chocobo: yes please get all the receipts
  445. [3:19:23 PM] Noir X: yeah, but today's tone has been different
  446. [3:19:33 PM] Chocobo: let me explain that
  447. [3:21:34 PM] Chocobo: i read through a copy of the NG board chat before i was on it and the amount of inconsistences in what you and the officers said in the board/thinktank/in PMs is incredible
  448. [3:22:01 PM] Chocobo: this project was a bigger failure than I thought and it shouldnt have been
  449. [3:22:11 PM] Noir X: lol
  450. [3:22:12 PM] Noir X: harsh
  451. [3:22:15 PM] Chocobo: you even lied to me man
  452. [3:22:37 PM] Noir X: about what?
  453. [3:22:40 PM] Chocobo: things need to be made right
  454. [3:22:48 PM] Chocobo: ill show you
  455. [3:22:59 PM] Noir X: great, someone managed to get you all the chats, thats good
  456. [3:23:04 PM] Chocobo: lets get this part done
  457. [3:23:06 PM] Noir X: there is a lot of info in there
  458. [3:24:03 PM] Chocobo: yes there is
  459. [3:24:43 PM] Chocobo: how much did you take for yourself of the premine BTW?
  460. [3:25:16 PM] Noir X: initially i took close to 80k
  461. [3:25:48 PM] Noir X: that changed when they complained
  462. [3:26:25 PM] Chocobo: how did it change?
  463. [3:26:50 PM] Noir X: i took it ALLL
  464. [3:26:55 PM] Noir X: lol
  465. [3:26:55 PM] Noir X: joking
  466. [3:27:12 PM] Noir X: i ended up returning most of it
  467. [3:27:19 PM] Chocobo: when?
  468. [3:28:10 PM] Noir X: i returned at least half
  469. [3:28:13 PM] Noir X: i dont have exact dates
  470. [3:28:40 PM] Chocobo: in the last month?
  471. [3:28:48 PM] Noir X: you have access to the logs, i'm stuck on scrolling
  472. [3:28:51 PM] Noir X: a phone
  473. [3:29:03 PM] Chocobo: i dont have those logs
  474. [3:30:41 PM] Noir X: i think around the last week of june
  475. [3:31:13 PM] Chocobo: so after the high prices
  476. [3:31:50 PM] Chocobo: why didnt you record the 80k in the premine accounting document?
  477. [3:32:27 PM] Noir X: because it ceased to be part of the premine when i took it
  478. [3:32:40 PM] Chocobo: um no it didnt
  479. [3:32:48 PM] Chocobo: thats not how it works
  480. [3:32:56 PM] Chocobo: 80k went to you
  481. [3:32:59 PM] Chocobo: record it
  482. [3:33:22 PM] Noir X: then it went back again?
  483. [3:33:45 PM] Chocobo: yeah if it did
  484. [3:33:50 PM] Chocobo: half of it
  485. [3:33:53 PM] Chocobo: far too late
  486. [3:34:02 PM] Chocobo: that was the company fund
  487. [3:34:04 PM] Noir X: oh yes , lets look at that shall we
  488. [3:34:07 PM] Noir X: 2014-05-11 22:22:36 Buy 0.00049998 500.08367557 0.25003183
  489. 2014-05-11 22:22:36 Buy 0.00049998 200 0.099996
  490. 2014-05-11 22:22:36 Buy 0.000499 2000 0.998
  491. 2014-05-11 22:22:36 Buy 0.00049 273.44149088 0.13398633
  492. 2014-05-11 22:22:35 Buy 0.00049 2054.34686703 1.00662996
  493. 2014-05-11 22:22:35 Buy 0.00049 8.91930337 0.00437045
  494. 2014-05-11 22:22:35 Buy 0.00048999 199.4 0.09770400
  495. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00048033 870.92754426 0.41833262
  496. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00048025 29.49205574 0.01416355
  497. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00048022 200 0.096044
  498. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00047999 11 0.00527989
  499. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00047999 3.95 0.00189596
  500. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00047998 100 0.047998
  501. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00047995 239.73705961 0.11506180
  502. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.0004799 300 0.14397
  503. 2014-05-11 22:08:49 Buy 0.00045 99.6004 0.04482018
  504. [3:34:31 PM] Noir X: these are from the last pages of my NRS trades
  505. [3:34:34 PM] Chocobo: thats in may
  506. [3:34:43 PM] Noir X: so NO
  507. [3:34:46 PM] Noir X: not after high prices
  508. [3:35:01 PM] Chocobo: and not even close to 40k
  509. [3:35:14 PM] Noir X: so maybe i guessed the wrong date
  510. [3:35:24 PM] Noir X: you wish to have all the trade logs?
  511. [3:35:32 PM] Noir X: that was just from a page
  512. [3:35:38 PM] Noir X: i can post more if you want
  513. [3:35:55 PM] Chocobo: if it proves anything
  514. [3:36:12 PM] Noir X: 2014-05-11 19:36:14 Sell 0.00036061 149.77569816 0.05401061
  515. 2014-05-11 19:36:13 Sell 0.00037 23.42556756 0.00866745
  516. 2014-05-11 19:36:13 Sell 0.00037001 54.34909867 0.02010970
  517. 2014-05-11 15:17:57 Buy 0.00034999 100 0.034999
  518. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.000347 500 0.1735
  519. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.000345 400 0.138
  520. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034499 1.503928 0.00051884
  521. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034498 65.34838945 0.02254388
  522. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034497 40.33794307 0.01391538
  523. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034495 200 0.06899
  524. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034494 176.137554 0.06075688
  525. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.00034494 186.77007596 0.06442447
  526. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.0003399 30.253533 0.01028317
  527. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.0003399 64.396897 0.02188850
  528. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.000339 9.98 0.00338322
  529. 2014-05-11 15:17:56 Buy 0.000338 4.1786195 0.00141237
  530. 2014-05-09 10:12:17 Sell 0.00033602 230.72198246 0.07752720
  531. [3:36:34 PM] Noir X: 2014-05-08 01:47:37 Buy 0.00034998 100 0.034998
  532. 2014-05-08 01:47:36 Buy 0.00034333 6 0.00205998
  533. 2014-05-08 01:47:36 Buy 0.00034333 6 0.00205998
  534. 2014-05-08 01:47:36 Buy 0.00034 150 0.051
  535. 2014-05-08 01:47:36 Buy 0.00033 143.36810861 0.04731147
  536. 2014-05-08 01:38:48 Buy 0.0003 31.568738 0.00947062
  537. 2014-05-08 01:27:51 Buy 0.00032997 0.43523403 0.00014361
  538. 2014-05-08 01:27:51 Buy 0.0003217 200 0.06434
  539. 2014-05-08 01:27:51 Buy 0.00031926 886.81354384 0.28312409
  540. 2014-05-08 01:27:51 Buy 0.00031899 11 0.00350889
  541. 2014-05-08 01:27:51 Buy 0.00031899 179.0304436 0.05710892
  542. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.0003 116.06899685 0.03482069
  543. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.0003 32 0.0096
  544. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.00029999 200 0.059998
  545. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.000299 200 0.0598
  546. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.00029899 50 0.0149495
  547. 2014-05-08 01:21:35 Buy 0.00029899 200 0.059798
  548. 2014-05-07 22:23:48 Sell 0.00023 265.36553023 0.06103407
  549. 2014-05-07 22:22:27 Sell 0.00023 338.18834782 0.07778331
  550. [3:36:56 PM] Noir X: 2014-05-02 12:12:39 Buy 0.00022 200 0.044
  551. 2014-05-02 12:12:38 Buy 0.00022 500 0.11
  552. 2014-05-02 12:12:38 Buy 0.00021999 200 0.043998
  553. 2014-05-02 12:11:51 Buy 0.00021499 100 0.021499
  554. 2014-05-02 12:11:51 Buy 0.00021391 109.63842456 0.02345275
  555. 2014-05-02 12:11:51 Buy 0.0002134 1780.80105648 0.38002294
  556. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00021 194.12753251 0.04076678
  557. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00020998 100 0.020998
  558. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00020997 155.5 0.03265033
  559. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00020958 105.87246749 0.02218875
  560. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.000205 150 0.03075
  561. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00020499 100 0.020499
  562. 2014-05-02 12:09:13 Buy 0.00020486 100 0.020486
  563. 2014-05-02 12:09:00 Buy 0.00020473 77.39045912 0.01584414
  564. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020452 119.60045589 0.02446068
  565. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020444 73.81078611 0.01508987
  566. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020439 199.6 0.04079624
  567. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020437 10.63655019 0.00217379
  568. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020436 100 0.020436
  569. 2014-05-02 12:08:40 Buy 0.00020298 30 0.0060894
  570. 2014-05-02 12:08:18 Buy 0.00019998 113.29965374 0.02265766
  571. 2014-05-02 12:08:18 Buy 0.00019998 94.66250715 0.01893060
  572. 2014-05-02 12:08:18 Buy 0.00018998 298.43827948 0.05669730
  573. 2014-05-02 12:08:17 Buy 0.00018997 100 0.018997
  574. 2014-05-02 12:08:17 Buy 0.00018996 167.52637397 0.03182330
  575. 2014-05-02 12:08:17 Buy 0.00018597 99.8 0.01855980
  576. 2014-05-02 12:08:17 Buy 0.0001825 117 0.0213525
  577. 2014-05-02 12:08:05 Buy 0.000181 132.18543046 0.02392556
  578. 2014-05-02 12:08:05 Buy 0.00018084 289.11780518 0.05228406
  579. 2014-05-02 12:08:05 Buy 0.00018071 200.472237 0.03622733
  580. 2014-05-02 12:08:05 Buy 0.00018043 315.071229 0.05684830
  581. 2014-05-02 12:07:35 Buy 0.00018 27.24413 0.00490394
  582. 2014-05-02 12:07:34 Buy 0.00017992 156.52740107 0.02816241
  583. 2014-05-02 12:07:22 Buy 0.00017993 108.53315205 0.01952837
  584. 2014-05-02 12:07:22 Buy 0.0001799 99.79999999 0.01795401
  585. 2014-05-02 12:07:22 Buy 0.0001799 61.96165847 0.01114690
  586. 2014-05-02 12:06:56 Buy 0.00016175 156.80995283 0.02536400
  587. 2014-05-02 12:06:56 Buy 0.00016157 161.33650027 0.02606713
  588. 2014-05-02 12:06:41 Buy 0.00016157 170.74190168 0.02758676
  589. [3:37:36 PM] Noir X: most of that was just withdrawn to a wallet
  590. [3:37:42 PM] Noir X: tell me
  591. [3:37:54 PM] Noir X: if i had indeed taken all 80k...
  592. [3:38:18 PM] Noir X: how di i manage to pay ALL the officers a grand total of 54k NRS?
  593. [3:38:23 PM] Noir X: in the same period
  594. [3:38:25 PM] Chocobo: the interesting thing is that the premine doc accounts for near 250k NRS but no where does it say that 80k went to you.......but 79.2k went to 'root_1'.. the only comparable transaction. you need to prove that root_1 exists and why he deserved what was 10 BTC of NRS at the time
  595. [3:38:35 PM] Chocobo: with the rest of the premine
  596. [3:38:46 PM] Chocobo: that is part of your accounting
  597. [3:39:11 PM] Noir X: root will pop up soon
  598. [3:39:15 PM] Noir X: i hope
  599. [3:39:25 PM] Noir X: i need him anyway for colored coins
  600. [3:39:51 PM] Noir X: the funny thing is i actually owe someone 12k NRS from those days
  601. [3:40:03 PM] Noir X: Chocobo
  602. [3:40:12 PM] Chocobo: yeah that is fishy as hell the he also received near 80k
  603. [3:40:32 PM] Chocobo: which according to the charts that day
  604. [3:40:44 PM] Chocobo: whoever got it likely dumped
  605. [3:40:47 PM] Noir X: his was actually less, but i gave him more as incentive to stay
  606. [3:41:04 PM] Noir X: that didnt help
  607. [3:41:07 PM] Noir X: much
  608. [3:41:24 PM] Noir X: but at least when he does he can help and for that i am grateful
  609. [3:41:56 PM] Noir X: there is no dev in the crypto world willing to help another
  610. [3:41:58 PM] Noir X: he did
  611. [3:42:02 PM] Noir X: so i paid him
  612. [3:42:11 PM] Chocobo: my bro helped you for free
  613. [3:42:26 PM] Chocobo: and what exactly did root do?
  614. [3:43:10 PM] Noir X: root for the most part helped me making momentum compatible with PoS
  615. [3:43:22 PM] Chocobo: which he fucked up
  616. [3:43:25 PM] Noir X: then he helped me make the internal miner work
  617. [3:43:29 PM] Chocobo: and yvg had to fix
  618. [3:43:38 PM] Noir X: actually he did not fuck up
  619. [3:43:48 PM] Noir X: the fuck up is momentum itself
  620. [3:44:00 PM] Noir X: which vyg is probably the best at
  621. [3:44:32 PM] Noir X: the implementation was haphazard, and i spent three weeks learning from vyg all that was wrong with it
  622. [3:45:03 PM] Chocobo: the other thing you need to find is do u remember when you were selling NRS for .00085-.001 BTC per from the premine?
  623. [3:45:07 PM] Noir X: we even made a different implementation that may end up as part of any new poject that comes up
  624. [3:45:16 PM] Noir X: yes
  625. [3:45:52 PM] Chocobo: it looks like you sold around 43861.58 NRS
  626. [3:46:01 PM] Noir X: yes
  627. [3:46:02 PM] Chocobo: thats a lot of BTC
  628. [3:46:05 PM] Noir X: i think
  629. [3:46:19 PM] Noir X: but not all of it was at that price
  630. [3:46:24 PM] Noir X: i think
  631. [3:46:25 PM] Chocobo: you were entitled to 30-43 BTC in that way?
  632. [3:46:31 PM] Chocobo: from the company fund
  633. [3:46:38 PM] Noir X: that was long before there was any noir group
  634. [3:46:50 PM] Noir X: that was when it was , Barwizi + new coin
  635. [3:46:58 PM] Chocobo: there was NG
  636. [3:47:05 PM] Chocobo: i have the thread
  637. [3:47:23 PM] Noir X: yeah and who was i working with at that time?
  638. [3:47:32 PM] Chocobo: omg dude how much BTC did NRS that you didnt own make you
  639. [3:47:39 PM] Noir X: actually, lets stay on course
  640. [3:47:47 PM] Noir X: so you wish to know what happened to the BTC ?
  641. [3:48:04 PM] Chocobo: what BTC?
  642. [3:48:52 PM] Noir X: i traded for any alt , then traded to BTC
  643. [3:49:03 PM] Chocobo: yeah
  644. [3:49:06 PM] Chocobo: still BTC
  645. [3:49:11 PM] Noir X: you just mentioned the NRS i sold in the beginning
  646. [3:49:26 PM] Noir X: well, most of it is undocumented
  647. [3:49:36 PM] Chocobo: BTC from the company coffers into your pocket
  648. [3:49:39 PM] Noir X: but the signs of what it did are still ther
  649. [3:49:46 PM] Noir X: you know what
  650. [3:49:50 PM] Noir X: i'm done
  651. [3:49:58 PM] Chocobo: am i wrong?
  652. [3:50:09 PM] Noir X: you keep accusing me
  653. [3:50:16 PM] Noir X: and frankly i'm tired of that
  654. [3:50:28 PM] Chocobo: dude where did you put that BTC then?
  655. [3:50:51 PM] Noir X: but you already concluded again, that it went into my pocket
  656. [3:51:05 PM] Chocobo: sorry i thought u were done
  657. [3:51:11 PM] Noir X: what point is there in having this converstion if you already have the answers
  658. [3:51:29 PM] Chocobo: go ahead ill be quiet
  659. [3:53:09 PM] Noir X: do you know that we maintain a paid Github account? Or that we have had servers (two expired , we have 2 left) for the greater part of the year ?
  660. [3:53:52 PM] Noir X: We had at a point 6 permanent nodes to kep the network up, which were paid for using BTC i got from selling PTS i got from the LTB guy
  661. [3:54:30 PM] Noir X: even now, where do you think the server that did the snapshots came from?
  662. [3:55:17 PM] Noir X: We got a lot of publicity in the beginning which was not free, but none of those costs were mentined
  663. [3:55:49 PM] Noir X: even now i can give you access to one of the servers that has the beginnings of an exchange
  664. [3:55:53 PM] Chocobo: what did you pay for publicity and through who?
  665. [3:56:38 PM] Noir X: hell if i know, i can look through the pms and on the other forums
  666. [3:56:48 PM] Noir X: you know that we had a forum ?
  667. [3:57:06 PM] Noir X: dont you wonder where all that infrastructure came from ?
  668. [3:57:31 PM] Chocobo: yeah noirbitstalk?
  669. [3:57:35 PM] Noir X: yes
  670. [3:58:06 PM] Noir X: it became a wasted effort after we realized people did not use it as much
  671. [3:58:08 PM] Chocobo: all of what you mentioned cannot add up to 30-40 BTC
  672. [3:58:20 PM] Noir X: where are you getting those numbers
  673. [3:58:23 PM] Noir X: ???????
  674. [3:58:24 PM] Chocobo: here is the deal though
  675. [3:58:40 PM] Chocobo: i mean what you sold NRS for
  676. [3:58:46 PM] Chocobo: early on
  677. [3:58:59 PM] Noir X: How pray tell does it even get to that number?
  678. [3:59:05 PM] Chocobo: [3:46:25 PM] Chocobo: you were entitled to 30-43 BTC in that way?
  679. [3:46:31 PM] Chocobo: from the company fund
  680. [3:46:38 PM] Noir X: that was long before there was any noir group
  681. [3:46:50 PM] Noir X: that was when it was , Barwizi + new coin
  682. [3:59:28 PM] Noir X: the chat is mixed up
  683. [3:59:28 PM] Chocobo: [3:45:52 PM] Chocobo: it looks like you sold around 43861.58 NRS
  684. [3:46:01 PM] Noir X: yes
  685. [3:46:02 PM] Chocobo: thats a lot of BTC
  686. [3:46:05 PM] Noir X: i think
  687. [3:46:19 PM] Noir X: but not all of it was at that price
  688. [3:46:24 PM] Noir X: i think
  689. [3:59:42 PM] Noir X: those were responses to earlier questions
  690. [3:59:53 PM] Chocobo: sorry meant the second one
  691. [4:00:18 PM] Noir X: yeah, but it did not amount to anything near 40 BTC
  692. [4:00:28 PM] Noir X: this group has always been hand to mouth
  693. [4:00:50 PM] Noir X: if we had ever managed to get that much free funds we would have been far better off
  694. [4:01:19 PM] Noir X: we would have managed to do the one project i know will be big
  695. [4:01:59 PM] Noir X: Chocobo, tell me something. Look at our heated conversation for the past few hours
  696. [4:02:17 PM] Noir X: consider my answers and the amount of work i have put into this group
  697. [4:02:27 PM] Noir X: if you were in my shoes
  698. [4:02:44 PM] Noir X: would you still wish to put any effort ?
  699. [4:03:52 PM] Noir X: would you still work day and night to produce viable software for a group that has accused you of being a scammer, a thief , some even post racist comments about your country
  700. [4:03:56 PM] Noir X: would you?
  701. [4:04:41 PM] Noir X: today has been an eye opener
  702. [4:04:42 PM] Chocobo: only you know that answer to that
  703. [4:04:57 PM] Chocobo: why do you think I am asking you this?
  704. [4:05:12 PM] Chocobo: to give you a chance to prove me wrong
  705. [4:06:17 PM] Chocobo: you also need to realize that for a project going since februrary all that NG has done is a multipool that was way too late to the trend
  706. [4:06:42 PM] Chocobo: and a lot of promises to investors like me
  707. [4:06:57 PM] Chocobo: but I will tell you what
  708. [4:08:18 PM] Chocobo: go find the duty/tax/repair/github/whatever receipts, prove that root_1 exists, and account for NRS sold from the premine
  709. [4:08:31 PM] Chocobo: and you will be looking much better
  710. [4:08:48 PM] Noir X: I think for now i provided all the answers i can
  711. [4:09:19 PM] Noir X: this converstion opened up some thoughts which i will need to put together with regard to the future of this group
  712. [4:10:00 PM] Noir X: people trusted me with their funds, however that dosent justify throwing those accusations at me and expecting me to always be silent
  713. [4:10:18 PM] Noir X: i have conducted myself well in my opinion
  714. [4:10:23 PM] Chocobo: you shouldnt be silent
  715. [4:10:35 PM] Noir X: i am a developer, i am an inveestor and i am the manager
  716. [4:10:51 PM] Noir X: noone has as much riding on this as i do
  717. [4:11:05 PM] Noir X: ad noone works as hard as i do to keep it from sinking
  718. [4:11:29 PM] Noir X: from juggling 3 ideas, i worked until they all fit in one wallet
  719. [4:11:45 PM] Chocobo: so you have more in NRS than in BTC?
  720. [4:12:11 PM] Noir X: I own a hell lot more than i am willing to share with anyone
  721. [4:12:23 PM] Chocobo: the merged mining between three coins was promised to be 2 weeks away in May
  722. [4:12:35 PM] Chocobo: thats what i was told as an investor
  723. [4:12:41 PM] Chocobo: among other things
  724. [4:12:56 PM] Chocobo: you see why that is frustrating?
  725. [4:12:58 PM] Noir X: i stopped keeping my funds in one place when arg did his richlist thing, because any movement of my coins would influence the market
  726. [4:13:43 PM] Noir X: JakeThePanda had a rough idea of my total holdings... i once posted a 500k sell order
  727. [4:13:57 PM] Noir X: by mistake
  728. [4:14:27 PM] Chocobo: how much was NRS from premine or GF?
  729. [4:14:40 PM] Noir X: none
  730. [4:14:52 PM] Noir X: that was bought in concert with him
  731. [4:15:16 PM] Chocobo: well in that case you have it in polo logs
  732. [4:15:28 PM] Noir X: there is a time we propped up the price for two days
  733. [4:15:38 PM] Chocobo: show me your filled orders for 500k
  734. [4:15:54 PM] Chocobo: i bought then too and 500k was a lot
  735. [4:16:01 PM] Noir X: it was a sell order
  736. [4:16:07 PM] Noir X: i bought it over a long time
  737. [4:16:13 PM] Chocobo: well you said you bought them
  738. [4:16:16 PM] Chocobo: yeah
  739. [4:16:22 PM] Noir X: and i was still buying a few days before the snapshot date
  740. [4:16:50 PM] Chocobo: honestly just find the stuff i was talking about
  741. [4:16:56 PM] Noir X: [4:12 PM] Chocobo:
  742.  
  743. <<< the merged mining between three coins was promised to be 2 weeks away in May
  744. thats what i was told as an investor
  745. among other things
  746. you see why that is frustrating?
  747. [4:17:08 PM] Noir X: Chocobo, there are coins with as many as 5 devs
  748. [4:17:32 PM] Noir X: and before they reach 20k blocks, they can have as many as 5 forks
  749. [4:17:43 PM] Noir X: some dont even make it to 1k blocks without a fork
  750. [4:18:05 PM] Noir X: NRB and NRS only ever had 2 forks
  751. [4:18:09 PM] Noir X: each ]
  752. [4:18:40 PM] Noir X: if i died after releasing software , anyone could easily pick it up and run with it
  753. [4:19:05 PM] Noir X: i made promises and i will deliver, but only when i am sure it is not a dud
  754. [4:19:26 PM] Noir X: can you imagine the horror and lost money
  755. [4:19:33 PM] Chocobo: so if its a dud u lose ur 500k and u are fine with that
  756. [4:19:34 PM] Noir X: if there was a major fuck up
  757. [4:19:39 PM] Noir X: do me a favour
  758. [4:19:47 PM] Noir X: i gave you the link to the windows wallet
  759. [4:19:59 PM] Noir X: allow your router to connect promiscuously
  760. [4:20:19 PM] Chocobo: and their arent that many forks in each coin
  761. [4:20:43 PM] Noir X: and tell me how many connetions you will have right now
  762. [4:20:51 PM] Noir X: i newtrok test everything
  763. [4:21:04 PM] Noir X: i regression test everything
  764. [4:21:11 PM] Noir X: then i give it too people
  765. [4:21:31 PM] Noir X: yvg and arg were part of the first steps of lotto development
  766. [4:22:00 PM] Noir X: yvg and root helped develop the RNG that gives thos micro rewards you like so much
  767. [4:22:27 PM] Noir X: i work this way for everyone's benefit
  768. [4:22:40 PM] Noir X: not just to safe guard my own funds
  769. [4:22:47 PM] Noir X: anyway
  770. [4:22:52 PM] Noir X: bottom line
  771. [4:23:06 PM] Noir X: the accounting must continue
  772. [4:23:18 PM] Noir X: i will try and get the details you want
  773. [4:23:35 PM] Noir X: then we will move forward
  774. [4:23:39 PM] Noir X: however
  775. [4:23:50 PM] Noir X: we have people waiting on the new NRS
  776. [4:24:02 PM] Noir X: and i wish to see it out now
  777. [4:25:04 PM] Chocobo: [8:37:26 AM] Noir X: NRS, lol, it's not a new coin it's an update and merge
  778. [8:37:37 AM] Noir X: the new sharebase is still two weeks away at best
  779. [8:37:50 AM] fivemil420: well thats what i mean
  780. [8:37:52 AM] fivemil420: NRB and NRS
  781. [8:38:28 AM] Noir X: and it has massive glitches
  782. [4:25:13 PM] Chocobo: arent there still bugs?
  783. [4:25:32 PM] Noir X: no thats colored coins
  784. [4:25:53 PM] Noir X: i cant get it to work properly with 1 coin as the smallest unit
  785. [4:27:33 PM] Chocobo: i think the accounting needs to be done before relaunch and at the very least all old NRS/NRB markets need to be locked first
  786. [4:28:21 PM] Noir X: chocobo, i think we need to release now, people are losing interest and we have delayed launch of a "finished" product way too long
  787. [4:28:58 PM] Chocobo: ok well lock the markets otherwise it will be confusing
  788. [4:29:12 PM] Chocobo: a 2 day delay is worth it for accounting
  789. [4:29:18 PM] Noir X: i will work through the exchanges first
  790. [4:29:25 PM] Noir X: no, i cant wait
  791. [4:29:26 PM] Chocobo: heck it can be a 1 day delay
  792. [4:29:33 PM] Chocobo: why not?
  793. [4:29:55 PM] Noir X: part of the reason i am stressed is because i am once again looking at two codebases that arent going anywhere
  794. [4:30:12 PM] Noir X: it's like buying a ferrari and not driving it
  795. [4:30:24 PM] Chocobo: well this accounting will cure investors stress
  796. [4:30:34 PM] Chocobo: you can wait 1 day
  797. [4:30:34 PM] Noir X: it drives me crazy when i keep getting the updates mixed up
  798. [4:30:40 PM] Chocobo: go find the accounting
  799. [4:30:55 PM] Noir X: i made 12 commits to NRs before i realised it was the wrong git
  800. [4:31:07 PM] Noir X: i cant do it in one day
  801. [4:31:18 PM] Noir X: like i said i will pass by the tax office on friday
  802. [4:31:19 PM] Chocobo: we arent rushing this and letting people buy old NRS like what happened after the merge
  803. [4:31:38 PM] Noir X: but tomorrow i cannot , i'll be stuck at home doing nothing
  804. [4:31:42 PM] Chocobo: ok then get ahold of your contacts at the exchanges
  805. [4:31:42 PM] Noir X: :(
  806. [4:32:08 PM] Chocobo: i am ok with that as long as the old markets are gone
  807. [4:32:35 PM] Chocobo: i dont want people buying old useless shares thinking they are getting the new ones
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