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  1. [7:37:49 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i am putting vector on hold
  2. [7:37:52 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i just came up with another idea for a series
  3. [7:41:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: what if there was a universe
  4. [7:41:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: where france
  5. [7:41:32 PM] Wayward Vagabond: was the leading nation of the world
  6. [7:41:34 PM] Wayward Vagabond: tourist capital
  7. [7:41:39 PM] Wayward Vagabond: largest population
  8. [7:44:56 PM] Alexander J.P.: [7:37 PM] Wayward Vagabond:
  9.  
  10. <<< i am putting vector on holdR.I.P. Vector
  11. [7:45:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: fuck you
  12. [7:45:09 PM] Wayward Vagabond: it'll be back
  13. [7:45:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i just
  14. [7:45:16 PM] Wayward Vagabond: have other things i want to dooo
  15. [7:45:23 PM] Wayward Vagabond: everyone loves france right
  16. [7:45:26 PM] Alexander J.P.: [7:44 PM] Alexander J.P.:
  17.  
  18. <<< R.I.P. Vector
  19. [7:45:37 PM] Wayward Vagabond: R.I.P Lou Cypher
  20. [7:46:07 PM] Alexander J.P.: touche
  21. [7:47:46 PM] Alexander J.P.: but yeah, i love AU History World fics
  22. [7:47:50 PM] Alexander J.P.: So go for it mang
  23. [7:48:01 PM] Alexander J.P.: Is it just France, or like, the actual French Empire?
  24. [7:48:32 PM] Wayward Vagabond: it's france
  25. [7:48:34 PM] Wayward Vagabond: but basically
  26. [7:48:44 PM] Wayward Vagabond: most people see US as the largest tourist place
  27. [7:48:46 PM] Wayward Vagabond: take the us
  28. [7:48:49 PM] Alexander J.P.: Because the Empire itself in actual history is impressive
  29. [7:48:49 PM] Alexander J.P.: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/French_Empire_17th_century-20th_century.png
  30. [7:49:03 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and gave all that popularity and stuff to the frenc
  31. [7:49:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: basically
  32. [7:49:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the french were
  33. [7:49:09 PM] Wayward Vagabond: more successful
  34. [7:49:17 PM] Wayward Vagabond: largest nation in the world more or less
  35. [7:49:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the series is called
  36. [7:49:30 PM] Alexander J.P.: Uhuh. So like, would they have bigger borders then?
  37. [7:49:35 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Ceux Qui Vivent
  38. [7:49:36 PM] Alexander J.P.: What would be the thing to make them big?
  39. [7:49:39 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i mostly meant in population
  40. [7:49:42 PM] Alexander J.P.: Ohh
  41. [7:49:49 PM] Alexander J.P.: Well, what would be the thing to make them popular
  42. [7:49:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Ceux Qui Vivent means They Who Live
  43. [7:49:58 PM] Alexander J.P.: Like, try thinking of it from a historical perspective
  44. [7:50:19 PM] Alexander J.P.: What would be the divergence that would trigger this, and what road would that divergence go down?
  45. [7:50:41 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i have an idea i'll run by you
  46. [7:50:48 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the british were not the ones to set up the colonies
  47. [7:50:50 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the french were
  48. [7:50:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so the US is a french state, virtually
  49. [7:51:02 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and they lost the revolution against the french
  50. [7:51:17 PM] Wayward Vagabond: or didn't revolut at all
  51. [7:51:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: *revolt
  52. [7:51:52 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so the US is basically under ownership of France
  53. [7:51:58 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and it has a different name I haven't decided
  54. [7:52:31 PM] Alexander J.P.: As you can see from the map, the Napoleonic Empire comprised of the majority of Spain and Italy, along with a huge chunk of Germany, the whole of Belgium and Netherlands, and a bit of Denmark
  55. [7:52:54 PM] Alexander J.P.: This could be a universe where Napoleon's rule actually lasted longer than it did and had a bigger influence
  56. [7:52:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  57. [7:53:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so the big three things are
  58. [7:53:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: China
  59. [7:53:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: France
  60. [7:53:06 PM] Alexander J.P.: With the whole of Western Europe being French Territory
  61. [7:53:11 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and uh..
  62. [7:53:20 PM] Wayward Vagabond: well UK would belong to France then
  63. [7:53:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: wouldn't they
  64. [7:53:26 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so not UK
  65. [7:53:33 PM] Alexander J.P.: Well, it would either be a French colony
  66. [7:53:37 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Or ally
  67. [7:53:41 PM] Alexander J.P.: Or at the very least, under huge French influence
  68. [7:53:43 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  69. [7:53:47 PM] Wayward Vagabond: well maybve
  70. [7:53:47 PM] Alexander J.P.: Like a French vassal state
  71. [7:53:49 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the big three are
  72. [7:53:56 PM] Wayward Vagabond: French, China, and the UAE
  73. [7:54:35 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the US is called Prix du Roi
  74. [7:54:37 PM] Wayward Vagabond: King's Prize
  75. [7:54:59 PM] Alexander J.P.: Actually in terms of world powers, Japan would be more realistic than China
  76. [7:55:22 PM] Alexander J.P.: Due to the fact that Japan was in fact a historical world power, untainted by European intervention for the longest time
  77. [7:55:37 PM] Alexander J.P.: While China was already suffering from European powers during the Napoleonic Times
  78. [7:55:46 PM] Wayward Vagabond: hmm
  79. [7:55:47 PM] Wayward Vagabond: good idea
  80. [7:55:47 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so
  81. [7:55:52 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Japan is the asian powerhouse
  82. [7:56:06 PM] Alexander J.P.: In fact, France owned land in China
  83. [7:56:25 PM] Alexander J.P.: So there could be a potential point of conflict between the French and Japanese Empires when it comes to China
  84. [7:56:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  85. [7:56:50 PM] Wayward Vagabond: french is the national language of western europ
  86. [7:56:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: e
  87. [7:56:55 PM] Wayward Vagabond: what was russia like
  88. [7:57:00 PM] Wayward Vagabond: during the napoleanic times
  89. [7:57:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: could they be the third powerhouse?
  90. [7:57:07 PM] Alexander J.P.: With Napoleonic France also comprising of Spain, it would technically be a border state of Portugal, which I assume would also be a vassal, much like the UK
  91. [7:57:20 PM] Alexander J.P.: I believe the Russian Empire were going quite strong at the time, yeah
  92. [7:57:58 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so Russia, Japan, and France
  93. [7:58:01 PM] Wayward Vagabond: are the big three empires
  94. [7:58:14 PM] Wayward Vagabond: japan and france have long been at war but are currently at ceasefire
  95. [7:58:23 PM] Wayward Vagabond: japan owns most of eastern asia
  96. [7:58:25 PM] Alexander J.P.: Would this take place in present day?
  97. [7:58:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  98. [7:58:32 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i'm giving it a date of 2009
  99. [7:58:52 PM] Alexander J.P.: Ah, so with Germany being part of France, WWI and II never would've happened
  100. [7:59:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: unless Japan was the instigator
  101. [7:59:16 PM] Wayward Vagabond: of a world war
  102. [7:59:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: there probably was one
  103. [7:59:23 PM] Wayward Vagabond: seeing as japan and france
  104. [7:59:26 PM] Alexander J.P.: And I assume through similar circumstances of world history, Russia's still a Tsarist Empire?
  105. [7:59:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: both own large amounts of the world
  106. [7:59:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: lol
  107. [7:59:43 PM] Alexander J.P.: Or did they still go through the Bolshevik Revolution?
  108. [7:59:43 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Most likely, since I have no idea what the Tsarist regime was like
  109. [7:59:48 PM] Wayward Vagabond: idk whyich
  110. [7:59:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: *whick
  111. [8:00:09 PM] Alexander J.P.: So basically, it's still an army run by the White Russian Imperial powers?
  112. [8:00:09 PM] Alexander J.P.: Ah
  113. [8:00:26 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Was the Bolsheviks stopped by outside force?
  114. [8:00:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Or internal force?
  115. [8:00:36 PM] Alexander J.P.: The Bolsheviks weren't stopped at all
  116. [8:00:41 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i mean
  117. [8:00:42 PM] Alexander J.P.: They toppled the Tsarist Regime
  118. [8:00:43 PM] Wayward Vagabond: fought by
  119. [8:00:47 PM] Wayward Vagabond: were they fought by outside forces
  120. [8:00:48 PM] Alexander J.P.: And instigated the Communist Revolution
  121. [8:00:50 PM] Alexander J.P.: OHHHH
  122. [8:00:51 PM] Alexander J.P.: In this?
  123. [8:00:55 PM] Wayward Vagabond: In real world
  124. [8:01:04 PM] Wayward Vagabond: or was it just a civil war thing
  125. [8:01:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: of sorts
  126. [8:01:10 PM] Alexander J.P.: It was a civil war thing
  127. [8:01:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: then it probably still happened
  128. [8:01:21 PM] Alexander J.P.: However
  129. [8:01:22 PM] Wayward Vagabond: idk
  130. [8:01:23 PM] Wayward Vagabond: ?
  131. [8:01:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: explain history master
  132. [8:01:30 PM] Alexander J.P.: It was influenced by outside events
  133. [8:01:32 PM] Wayward Vagabond: ohh
  134. [8:01:40 PM] Wayward Vagabond: ones that would be deemed non-applicable
  135. [8:01:44 PM] Wayward Vagabond: due to how this universe is shaping out?
  136. [8:02:01 PM] Alexander J.P.: Russia had grown weak from both WWI and the Russo-Japanese war, and the money going into these wars was money being taken away from the citizens for food.
  137. [8:02:09 PM] Wayward Vagabond: then it's probably still Tsarist
  138. [8:02:24 PM] Wayward Vagabond: since WWI probably didn't involve Russia and was probably much more recent to be declared a WW
  139. [8:02:26 PM] Wayward Vagabond: probably
  140. [8:02:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: last 30 years
  141. [8:02:30 PM] Alexander J.P.: The citizens, being angry, supported the Bolsheviks, who went on to topple the regime
  142. [8:02:49 PM] Wayward Vagabond: this story is a tech vs magic type
  143. [8:02:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: both exist
  144. [8:02:51 PM] Alexander J.P.: Also, with no WWI, you have to consider the Ottoman Empire, that would technically still exist
  145. [8:02:56 PM] Wayward Vagabond: hmm
  146. [8:03:03 PM] Wayward Vagabond: they would rule the africas
  147. [8:03:10 PM] Alexander J.P.: Unless you have an event that lead to the Ottoman Empire being destroyed
  148. [8:03:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Russia absorbed the Ottoman Empire.
  149. [8:03:23 PM] Alexander J.P.: You could have a smaller and weaker Ottoman Empire?
  150. [8:03:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: or that works
  151. [8:03:28 PM] Wayward Vagabond: idk
  152. [8:03:31 PM] Wayward Vagabond: you know more about history than me
  153. [8:03:42 PM] Wayward Vagabond: anyways in this magic is a rarer thing
  154. [8:03:47 PM] Wayward Vagabond: there's also Espers which I love using
  155. [8:03:53 PM] Wayward Vagabond: it's kind of
  156. [8:03:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: a rip off a Certain Magical Index
  157. [8:03:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: lol
  158. [8:04:22 PM] Alexander J.P.: Let's assume
  159. [8:04:39 PM] Alexander J.P.: There was a WWI
  160. [8:04:42 PM] Alexander J.P.: Which happened earlier
  161. [8:04:45 PM] Alexander J.P.: Than our WWI
  162. [8:05:11 PM] Wayward Vagabond: okay
  163. [8:05:13 PM] Alexander J.P.: Around the mid-1800s
  164. [8:05:22 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so WWII was the one in the last 30 years
  165. [8:05:24 PM] Wayward Vagabond: francevjapan
  166. [8:05:27 PM] Alexander J.P.: France + Russia against the Ottoman Empire
  167. [8:05:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: okay
  168. [8:06:14 PM] Alexander J.P.: France gains the Balkan vassals - Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia
  169. [8:06:33 PM] Alexander J.P.: Russia gains Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia
  170. [8:07:00 PM] Alexander J.P.: Oh, France also gets the Ottoman's African territories
  171. [8:07:13 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i imagine australia is french too?
  172. [8:07:25 PM] Alexander J.P.: Leaving the Ottomans with Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Arabia, etc
  173. [8:07:28 PM] Alexander J.P.: Unless
  174. [8:07:38 PM] Alexander J.P.: You wanna have an Arabian world power too
  175. [8:07:45 PM] Alexander J.P.: Leaving the Ottomans with like.. Syria, lol
  176. [8:08:03 PM] Alexander J.P.: Australia should be split into different territories
  177. [8:08:35 PM] Alexander J.P.: Some Japanese, some French, a lot of it empty
  178. [8:08:49 PM] Wayward Vagabond: australia should have been part of the deal
  179. [8:08:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: that stopped wwii
  180. [8:08:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: they both got portions of it
  181. [8:09:08 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and the third part is like
  182. [8:09:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: aboriginal's land
  183. [8:09:15 PM] Alexander J.P.: I assume WWII between Japan/France was over Chinese territories mostly?
  184. [8:09:23 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  185. [8:09:26 PM] Wayward Vagabond: but
  186. [8:09:31 PM] Alexander J.P.: Because you could have it like
  187. [8:09:35 PM] Wayward Vagabond: then japan went after france's colonies perhaps idk
  188. [8:09:38 PM] Alexander J.P.: WWI being in the mid 1800s
  189. [8:09:49 PM | Edited 8:09:52 PM] Alexander J.P.: and WWII being around 1900
  190. [8:09:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: WWIII was 30 years
  191. [8:09:52 PM] Wayward Vagabond: then
  192. [8:09:55 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so there's been three world wars
  193. [8:10:06 PM] Alexander J.P.: With the Boxer Rebellion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
  194. [8:10:08 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and it was over the southern hemisphere
  195. [8:10:52 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so the boxer rebellion was more of
  196. [8:11:00 PM] Wayward Vagabond: a three way
  197. [8:11:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the chinese wanting to be independant
  198. [8:11:15 PM] Wayward Vagabond: with both japan and france after them
  199. [8:11:17 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i take it japan won
  200. [8:11:33 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i really appreciate all of this
  201. [8:11:34 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i suck at history
  202. [8:12:13 PM] Wayward Vagabond: so basically
  203. [8:12:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: takes place in this very different universe
  204. [8:12:35 PM] Alexander J.P.: Also
  205. [8:12:37 PM] Alexander J.P.: Religion
  206. [8:12:42 PM] Alexander J.P.: What would the religious atmosphere be like?
  207. [8:12:42 PM] Wayward Vagabond: ah yeah
  208. [8:12:51 PM] Wayward Vagabond: what was the main napoleonic religion?
  209. [8:12:58 PM] Alexander J.P.: Roman Catholicism
  210. [8:13:04 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Then that's probably the leading religion
  211. [8:13:07 PM] Wayward Vagabond: of the French Empire
  212. [8:13:14 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Japanese is whatever they had, Shinto or something
  213. [8:13:16 PM] Alexander J.P.: Russia was Russian Orthodox
  214. [8:13:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Russia is Russian Orthodox
  215. [8:13:29 PM] Alexander J.P.: Would Japan be more forceful with Shinto?
  216. [8:13:32 PM] Wayward Vagabond: Probably
  217. [8:13:35 PM] Wayward Vagabond: I see Japan as
  218. [8:13:41 PM] Wayward Vagabond: wary about allowing french immigrants
  219. [8:13:43 PM] Wayward Vagabond: seeing as
  220. [8:13:45 PM] Alexander J.P.: As in history it was actualyl a consideration
  221. [8:13:45 PM] Alexander J.P.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto
  222. [8:13:46 PM] Wayward Vagabond: they're neutral and just had
  223. [8:13:55 PM] Wayward Vagabond: a massive war recently
  224. [8:13:59 PM] Alexander J.P.: So this could be a universe where State Shinto ended up being a thing
  225. [8:14:07 PM] Wayward Vagabond: russia is an uneasy ally to both japan and france
  226. [8:14:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: basically
  227. [8:14:12 PM] Wayward Vagabond: one wrong move from any empire
  228. [8:14:15 PM] Wayward Vagabond: could cause WWIV
  229. [8:15:00 PM] Alexander J.P.: So in Japanese territories, such as (i presume) Taiwan, Korea, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Parts of China, Parts of Indonesia
  230. [8:15:04 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  231. [8:15:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and parts of australia
  232. [8:15:10 PM] Alexander J.P.: Japan would pretty much force them to follow the Shinto religion
  233. [8:15:14 PM] Wayward Vagabond: also hawaii
  234. [8:15:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: hawaii is japanese
  235. [8:15:22 PM] Alexander J.P.: Or have a system like the Ottomans had with Islam
  236. [8:15:29 PM] Alexander J.P.: Where other religions were allowed
  237. [8:15:46 PM] Alexander J.P.: But people following the state religion would have more privileges, prompting people to convert en-masse
  238. [8:16:16 PM] Wayward Vagabond: i just realized that i'm/you/we are putting more effort into the backstory
  239. [8:16:21 PM] Wayward Vagabond: than I am the actual story itself
  240. [8:16:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: which is about a bunch of students
  241. [8:16:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: lol
  242. [8:16:42 PM] Alexander J.P.: backstory's always important yo
  243. [8:17:06 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and like how in japan there's a prime minister these days
  244. [8:17:14 PM] Wayward Vagabond: japan in Ceux Qui Vivent is emperor based solely
  245. [8:17:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: emperor is supreme power
  246. [8:17:31 PM] Wayward Vagabond: france has a king/parliament
  247. [8:17:34 PM] Wayward Vagabond: russia has a tsar
  248. [8:18:24 PM] Wayward Vagabond: adolf hitler was a successful german artist
  249. [8:18:35 PM] Wayward Vagabond: his art in museums everywhere
  250. [8:21:53 PM] Alexander J.P.: i see
  251. [8:21:58 PM] Alexander J.P.: does he still hate the jews
  252. [8:22:00 PM] Alexander J.P.: in fact
  253. [8:22:04 PM] Alexander J.P.: how are the jews treated
  254. [8:22:12 PM] Wayward Vagabond: idk didn't think that far
  255. [8:22:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: france is probably the most religiously free
  256. [8:22:24 PM] Wayward Vagabond: japan is the strictest
  257. [8:22:28 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and russia's in the middle
  258. [8:22:59 PM] Alexander J.P.: Ahh
  259. [8:23:27 PM] Wayward Vagabond: like france and japan are neutral teetering towards another war
  260. [8:23:40 PM] Wayward Vagabond: you're likely to be discriminated against if you visit one of their countries
  261. [8:23:46 PM] Wayward Vagabond: france has lesser discrimination
  262. [8:23:48 PM] Wayward Vagabond: but japan has more
  263. [8:23:54 PM] Wayward Vagabond: russia is just like
  264. [8:23:58 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the jolly guy in the middle of all of this
  265. [8:23:59 PM] Wayward Vagabond: lol
  266. [8:24:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: imagine it as three brothers
  267. [8:24:10 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the friendly one
  268. [8:24:12 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the angry one
  269. [8:24:13 PM] Wayward Vagabond: the jolly one
  270. [8:24:17 PM] Wayward Vagabond: figure out who is who
  271. [8:24:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: :)
  272. [8:24:19 PM] Alexander J.P.: lol
  273. [8:27:14 PM] Alexander J.P.: What about South America?
  274. [8:27:18 PM] Wayward Vagabond: hmm
  275. [8:27:24 PM] Wayward Vagabond: spain owned them
  276. [8:27:29 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and france claimed spain
  277. [8:29:41 PM] Wayward Vagabond: http://gawker.com/woman-publicly-shames-man-who-beat-her-up-after-she-rej-1487413297
  278. [8:30:39 PM] Alexander J.P.: Hm
  279. [8:30:48 PM] Alexander J.P.: On one hand, she's definitely the higher person
  280. [8:30:55 PM] Alexander J.P.: But at the same time, he was let off too easy imo
  281. [8:30:57 PM] Wayward Vagabond: yeah
  282. [8:31:05 PM] Wayward Vagabond: he'll be back to beating women in a month or two
  283. [8:31:18 PM] Alexander J.P.: The sad thing is that you're probably right
  284. [8:31:33 PM] Wayward Vagabond: lex
  285. [8:31:34 PM] Wayward Vagabond: can i just
  286. [8:31:40 PM] Wayward Vagabond: use this entire skype log
  287. [8:31:43 PM] Wayward Vagabond: paste bin it
  288. [8:31:53 PM] Wayward Vagabond: and use it for the backstory section of CQV
  289. [8:33:16 PM] Alexander J.P.: sure
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