[Tukkun Hours] 6th Time - Chat Log

Tukkun: Hey everyone!

eldercain: howdy

HeartGlaceon: Hi

NerevarineLoL: you already said that

Axiss32: Not only that, the thread doyler made

Tukkun: Hmm... Anti-Idle seems less crowded today compared to others

Tukkun: We don't even have 2 full rooms

bh8211: Hey Tukkun... Did you ever imagine your game getting so played when you first made it?

eldercain: it's pretty early in the morning in the states

eldercain: /shrug

Axiss32: About Pong highscore, I'm neutral because almost 1.5xed it

Tukkun: bh8211 - This question is asked quite a lot, the answer is no

Axiss32: But a lot of people farmed 3m entirely with Cybro. 3.5m would be a lot longer

NerevarineLoL: eh

eldercain: yeah i know YOU have

bh8211: It's pretty late at night in Aus elder... Ok, ty Tukkun :F

NerevarineLoL: how many is "a lot"?

bh8211: :D

eldercain: what about us poor plebs

NerevarineLoL: I haven't seen anyone, really

NerevarineLoL: because the score gain is really low while doing pong 24/7

Baalhrezem: After input from several other players, did you come up with a finalized list of achievements yet?

Axiss32: I mean a lot of botOp required

HeartGlaceon: tukkun, i was thinking about the achievements and stuff. what's going to happen to the secret achievements anyway? Will those still be a thing, or will there be nothing like them when the rework comes? Sorry if this is dumb, but I was curious.

HeartGlaceon: im a moron

HeartGlaceon: hate me

NerevarineLoL: Baalhrezem: yes, everything remains the same except for AG quest; it's 5m breeds now

NerevarineLoL: Axiss32: I haven't heard of anyone who got 3m solely through cyborg

Baalhrezem: well for example, some of them were repeats, (10m boost ; 50m boost)

Axiss32: Somebody did, can't remember who

NerevarineLoL: though I guess it's fine if you can 3.5m with cyborg at 200

Tukkun: No, I don't have a finalized list of achievements yet

Axiss32: Apparently, 3.5m might be fine, as Rank 7 achievements are for crazy players

Baalhrezem: also, what will happen with secret achievements?

HeartGlaceon: i just asked that

Tukkun: and I'm still missing ideas for 9 achievements

Tukkun: The list only has 182 achievements

eldercain: is the list published anywhere?

bh8211: How about 'Click on the Achievement button 9 times'?

bh8211: Always works :D

NerevarineLoL: Tukkun: one could be to 200 a business

Axiss32: I'm curious if Secrey Crystal achieve also counts chips.

Axiss32: *Secret

NerevarineLoL: since the only business-related is to earn 100b cexp or whatever via business

NerevarineLoL: Axiss32: the quest does

bh8211: Well, bye Tukkun, bye chat, I gtg. Gnight!

NerevarineLoL: it would make sense for achievement to do so too

HeartGlaceon: see ya

robertzi: goonight bh, and good morning everyone from me

robertzi: timezones are strange

eldercain: mornin

eldercain: my coffee's kickin in now

Tukkun: That's not a bad idea, but I haven't tracked it yet

eldercain: blame the sun!

Tukkun: so if the achievement is released, you will have to re-200 a business to finish the achievement

Tukkun: Would that be okay?

NerevarineLoL: sure

HeartGlaceon: I guess so

Axiss32: Okay, fine

eldercain: yeah, it's not too bad of a grind

eldercain: compared to some

NerevarineLoL: button is probably the fastest with 0 resources anyway

eldercain: i haven't been privvy to the discussions, but things that don't have achievements/quests now: BP, STZ scores, various BA recipies wihtout related cheebs (alien kills etc)

Axiss32: Button is the most worthest Business, ever, so re-doing it is crazy

Axiss32: BPs are in the list, elder

NerevarineLoL: idler is betterer

eldercain: i figured they would be

eldercain: you could have attendance on there i spose

NerevarineLoL: 50k PB worth of progress boxes

Axiss32: Button is 25.5m worth of BC and roughly 30t of YC

Axiss32: Plus Pet food.

NerevarineLoL: LBs are p trash tho

NerevarineLoL: http://i.imgur.com/0ha78FL.png

Axiss32: I know. Other boxes are cool to have

Axiss32: Idler is slower ):

eldercain: how long did maxing idler take you?

NerevarineLoL: 30

eldercain: oof

HeartGlaceon: is idler hard to max?

eldercain: seems like a good way to try for an ascension high score

eldercain: eh, you just wait

eldercain: takes me 3-4 days to get to 100

NerevarineLoL: noob

NerevarineLoL: a night of sleep is over 100

Baalhrezem: Tukkun, is there any chance of having pet mana having a higher cap if its being overfed? it's quite tedious to feed the pet 10 times and then click mystery effect 5 times

eldercain: s'true i don't have maxed prog bar speed from ascending yet

NerevarineLoL: you mean 14, Baalhrezem ?

NerevarineLoL: since career 200 OP

Axiss32: 24 WC with a TC Cybro run O_O

NerevarineLoL: also, it would just be best to have a "smart feed" function

eldercain: idler will be my first 200, 7.5 levels away

Baalhrezem: it cap still have a mana cap of 1k, but overfeeding could increase its mana, and to prevent abuse it could reset to 1k mana each ascension

Baalhrezem: also possibly having shift work for pet feeds

Tukkun: Oh hey, the business thing is actually already tracked

Tukkun: Shows how little I know about my own game -__-

HeartGlaceon: Oh

NerevarineLoL: else we're forced to use a macro on feeding spams

eldercain: you done outsmarted yorself

Axiss32: Tukkun, what about a Rebirth Time Tracker for quick comparision between our best times?

Tukkun: That's something I'm kinda skeptical about

BlitzTiger: what does dark ruler do?

Anonymity: measure length

NerevarineLoL: that's very racist, BlitzTiger

Tukkun: Will it turn out to be another achievement timer, like, everyone will have scores like 3 minutes?

NerevarineLoL: you should say "Afro-american ruler"

BlitzTiger: oh, sorry about that. well then, what does afro-american ruler do?

iCrazyCookies: . . .

NerevarineLoL: there's no item with that name

Axiss32: 3 minutes? Nah, impossible

Tukkun: Also, what about STZ?

Axiss32: Some guys did RBs in roughly 30 minutes, some with more time. My fastest one is 58-60 minutes

HeartGlaceon: what's STZ

Tukkun: What's the typical "high score"? Also, is a reset necessary?

Axiss32: Special Training Zone

HeartGlaceon: ?

NerevarineLoL: imo speedruns make terrible achievements

NerevarineLoL: as highscores - sure

Baalhrezem: i'm definitely against a RB speed run achievement.

eldercain: stz as an achievement is probably a good idea but yeah i have no idea what kind of scores people put out

HeartGlaceon: ^

Axiss32: Rebirth reset is not necessary at all, I think. It's all about re-doing a RB.

HeartGlaceon: @Baal

HeartGlaceon: damnit

Axiss32: My initital idea was for highscores. I'm aganist an achieve too

Tukkun: No, I'm talking about STZ highscore

Tukkun: I'm definitely not making a rebirth speedrun achievement

Axiss32: Oh, sorry.

Baalhrezem: STZ highscore could definitely be an achievement

Axiss32: There are some players at over 2 billion highscore. jewk got over 7b

HeartGlaceon: Again, what is STZ?

Tukkun: So, maybe 2.5b for final tier would be reasonable, I suppose?

eldercain: i don't see a problem with stz highscore

Tukkun: But do we need a reset?

eldercain: it's kind of explicitly designed for it

Tukkun: Are there old highscores that are no longer possible?

eldercain: i assume cas damage has gone up with the DS weapon buff?

eldercain: stz was after the combo strike nerf right

HeartGlaceon: what is stz

Baalhrezem: damage should be relatively unchanged for STZ

Baalhrezem: no reset necessary

HeartGlaceon: ...

Axiss32: Axiss32: Special Training Zone

HeartGlaceon: I dunno what that is

Baalhrezem: hint: its a Zone

HeartGlaceon: ...

HeartGlaceon: not helping

Baalhrezem: zone - an area or stretch of land having a particular characteristic, purpose, or use, or subject to particular restrictions.

HeartGlaceon: No

HeartGlaceon: not what i meant

Calok: Go to the Beginner Training Zone and look and that arrow pointing down.

Baalhrezem: "subject to particular restrictions"

HeartGlaceon: still dont get it

eldercain: i assume cybro levels made the list?

Tukkun: You won't see the arrow until you reach Rank 500 in BA

HeartGlaceon: Oh.

HeartGlaceon: that explains the problem.

Baalhrezem: Tukkun you didnt answer/didnt see the questions regarding: a) secret achievements being removed, and b) pet mana cap being raised for large amounts of feeds and/or shift working

Axiss32: Cool, 600k BPs

Tukkun: a) There will be 9 secret achievements in the new system, but they won't count towards your total

Tukkun: b) There are currently no plans to raise pet mana cap

HeartGlaceon: Ah okay

E_102_Gamma: 'Morning, all.

HeartGlaceon: Hey

HeartGlaceon: brb

Axiss32: Hey Gamma

Tukkun: Though, I may consider raising pet mana cap some time in the near future

Tukkun: along with a possible "revamp"

E_102_Gamma: Hello there, Axiss. :)

Baalhrezem: some QoL changes: the progress bar module inventory scroll bar is too hard to click ; also the bonus machine should change the bonus Blind Effect to Blind Power to reflect the SP skill of similar name

Baalhrezem: additionally: are there any plans to make arcade/stadium relevant for exp for higher ascended players?

Baalhrezem: (sorry for so many questions)

Tukkun: I'll increase hit box of module inventory scroll bar

Tukkun: but changing Blind Effect to Blind Power is something I probably won't do

Tukkun: It has been Blind Effect for eternity (and is also that way in the stat screen), and requires me to change some other things for it to work too

Axiss32: Actually, Deathmatch in Stadium might be good for the EXP and other mix of rewards it can give

Tukkun: There are currently no plans to change Arcade/Stadium EXP, either

Tukkun: It may lead to imbalancings and it would be awkward if these features turn out to give the best EXP

Axiss32: But it's pathetic the fact that with not even Permaperk at level 3, I cap EXP there

Baalhrezem: well for example FCG is still relevant to higher ascended players because of LM once per day. a similar method could apply to arcade with BC collection

Tukkun: I'll lift EXP cap on Death Match

E_102_Gamma: Tukkun, I think there might be something wrong with the low graphics quality setting.

eldercain: i feel like the problem with the arcade thign is you could just cybro each one once and then cash in

Tukkun: Umm?

eldercain: i'm all about DM being a decent xp source though

E_102_Gamma: I've set the game from medium to it during times of heavy lag, and then back to medium afterwards a few times lately.

NerevarineLoL: I believe what eldercain is saying is that he's gay

Baalhrezem: eldercain, you'd still have run cyborg, as well as already have cyborg be decent to run each game

E_102_Gamma: Every time, the game ends up super laggy for no reason a matter of hours later.

Naldsss: I think he means, if arcade gives more xp, it could be abused by cyborg usage a bit

eldercain: i guess it depends on the scaling

E_102_Gamma: Yesterday morning, the game was mostly unresponsive.

Tukkun: That sounds... awkward

eldercain: still if you're some pw mother****er with maxed out bars it'd be pretty easy to bank

CharlieOG: +1 I've had some memory leaks the last version or two

E_102_Gamma: The buttons at the bottom of the screen would still open and close their respective menus, but the anti-lag screen wouldn't go away.

DarkDefiler: Can we get an Auto-Sort for Item Storage?

Tukkun: I haven't changed anything fundamental in the last few versions that could lead to a new memory leak

NerevarineLoL: then dont use chrome

NerevarineLoL: ez

Tukkun: and if low quality truly is the cause, that sounds like something I can't fix

E_102_Gamma: I had to refresh, and when I did, I found that the game was running about five hours late.

Tukkun: I don't plan to add auto-sort to Item Storage

Baalhrezem: i'm sure there could be a method that measures manual scores per day vs cyborg

eldercain: true

Axiss32: What about a "Cyborg Max Score" on Arcade game screens too?

HeartGlaceon: Back

HeartGlaceon: What'd I miss?

eldercain: and i suppose cyborg doens't get benefit from your 10k medal upgrades

Axiss32: He doesn't.

eldercain: so in theory you could score higher than his maxes

eldercain: i mean i can't remember the last time i used the arcade daily claim

eldercain: so it couldnt hurt?

Baalhrezem: yes, a daily arcade claim of exp based of number/quality of medals claimed is way better than 15k BC

eldercain: you could even keep the BC and add other rewards so it doesn't mess with poor noobs and their bad BC gen

Baalhrezem: but how much exp should it gives at maximum? i currently get ~1.5T exp from a full LM at 6k boost

eldercain: i guess it depends

eldercain: it seems to make sense for it to scale up hard as you get really good scores (gold medals?)

Axiss32: WC gain from TC Cyborg is crazy

eldercain: i feel like part of the appeal of lm though is that it isn't the same every day

eldercain: i don't know how much people gonna wanna pong erryday

Axiss32: We no. But Cyborg yes

Tukkun: This is like asking for free EXP

Tukkun: Do we really need more free EXP?

eldercain: where's my A:TG handout

Axiss32: brb, lunch time.

Baalhrezem: no offense but exp is the biggest incentive for players to use other features. its why arcade/stadium are considered dead to most players

Tukkun: I always assumed that's because Arcade and Stadium are not fun

Tukkun: not because of low EXP

Syntastic: that, too.

Tukkun: Making them give significant EXP will just make people do less fun stuff, which adds to the tediousness of the game

eldercain: i think DM is actually kind of a fun feature, or only needs a small push in gameplay to be worth the time it takes

brianflexa: I'm one of the few who actually likes stadium, but the stadium EXP amount is nearly useless in level 9k

eldercain: and some of te arcades are fun

Baalhrezem: well one example is fishing, which isnt very fun, but gives decent exp so is a considerable alternative

eldercain: i like WaG

eldercain: and mind sweeper

Baalhrezem: i actually enjoy ultimate avoidance/whack-a-greg

Tukkun: Alright, so I will give Arcade and Stadium a slight EXP buff

brianflexa: did you guys discuss about ToD stun/slow already? I wasnt here earlier

HeartGlaceon: i dont think we did

TheJoseph666: WAASSSUUUUPPP

Baalhrezem: what about ToD? you get stunned/slowed so you cant taunt?

HeartGlaceon: Yes that's exactly the problem

TheJoseph666: what did I miss?

Baalhrezem: thats not a very big issue

TheJoseph666: so Tukkun hours are today?

Baalhrezem: and ultimately hardly affects the raid's score

eldercain: just means you might need an extra run

eldercain: worst case

Baalhrezem: oh tukkun, my idea was more of an overhaul of the arcade reward system, not just a "slight exp buff"

NerevarineLoL: also, arcade business reward is p shit

brianflexa: Maybe resetting status effects between ToD fights

NerevarineLoL: http://i.imgur.com/YLR8DUB.png

HeartGlaceon: yeah that would be good

Baalhrezem: to put a larger emphasis on manual play and daily reward claim

TheJoseph666: al business rewards are pretty shit, tbh

TheJoseph666: all

NerevarineLoL: no

NerevarineLoL: 1 200 fighter run is for the potions

NerevarineLoL: idler is good for extra IPs

NerevarineLoL: button is good for free crates

TheJoseph666: yes, but considering how long it takes to get 200

TheJoseph666: even in late game

TheJoseph666: it takes months

xxindoxx: how to level up on battle arena fast ?

NerevarineLoL: no

HeartGlaceon: what rank are you?

NerevarineLoL: stadium is p shit too

xxindoxx: maybe an explit ?

Tukkun: So you're implying that manual play deserves larger reward, and not Cyborg?

NerevarineLoL: item maker at 200 could at least give you a max unique

xxindoxx: this is my first rebirth, im level 78 now

HeartGlaceon: Oh

HeartGlaceon: uhhhhhh

Tukkun: And there should be some new system in Arcade/Stadium that gives a daily big reward for MANUAL PLAY?

Tukkun: Honestly I'm not sure if I want that

TheJoseph666: no one even plays arcade or stadium manualy, unless they're going for high scores

eldercain: well that's ok if that's not something you want, but any buff to arcade xp is only gonna benefit higher level cyborgs more

eldercain: since that's where most of the arcade xp comes from late

Baalhrezem: well most things in the game are either a consistent steady stream of exp (button, market, fishing, BA idling -- or a large lump sum ; BA (raids), FCG (LM)

brianflexa: maybe increasing the cyborg points you get from arcade/stadium would be a good idea to balance the active/cyborg play amount

NerevarineLoL: how about you get 3x (more or less) more rewards for manual plays in arcade/stadium (compared to cyborg doing it) but only for X amount of plays a day

Baalhrezem: since arcade is neither, it hardly gets played. i thought it would be dangerous to make it "cyborg-exclusive" exp, so it should be in the lump sum category

NerevarineLoL: so you have another daily activity to do, which is somewhat worth it

brianflexa: also most people only get borg points for idle fishing or buying it with WC, and I early game I don't even feel like using cyborg because of the points

Tukkun: Cyborg Points is usually a larger issue than Energy, right?

Tukkun: Or do you have too much of both to matter?

NerevarineLoL: scale up the X amount with career/whatnot so that later in the game you can still run a full ascend with them

brianflexa: yes, I have energy at cap and dont use borg because of points

HeartGlaceon: I've never had issues with energy

robertzi: I have a feeling that the two switch from early to late

brianflexa: I simply have 99:59:59 useless cyborg energy, IMO

robertzi: but i'm not certain

NerevarineLoL: energy is more of an issue later in the game

Tukkun: I plan to add something like hyper mode for Cyborg

Tukkun: Like, you can spend 10x energy for 2x Cyborg speed

HeartGlaceon: can you explain?

HeartGlaceon: oh

brianflexa: sounds good

NerevarineLoL: where you get enough WC to maintain cyborg 24/7 point-wise, but not enough WC/BC to restock on energy

HeartGlaceon: yeah sounds just fine

NerevarineLoL: (end-game can do both, meanwhile early game, points are the problem)

whatever4321234: I don't think that would be very useful

RandomL: So cyborg hyper mode would favour endgame players? (Because early game players would likely be more constrained by energy, I think)

eldercain: yeah it's basically a matter of when you get enough wc to not need them for anything but cyborg points

robertzi: I'd rather have the option to spend half points and have the cyborg slow down

eldercain: then energy is the problem

RandomL: unless hyper cyborg doesn't use points. In which case :D.

Tukkun: Hmmmm

eldercain: but that's in a post-rest/shiny kind of situation

eldercain: which i assume most players are not in

TheJoseph666: I have 99:59:59 energy on cyborg 247

whatever4321234: I dont see who would actually benefit from such an option

TheJoseph666: 24/7*

robertzi: early game

eldercain: there are plenty of people who run cyborg 24/7

Baalhrezem: actually early game players have more time than points, so hyper mode would favor them more -- but since higher ascended players have access to both, it would just be a buff to them as well

brianflexa: I would benefit from it too (mid game).

eldercain: could you really afford to chain run at 10x cost for energy though?

eldercain: that's an awful lot of bc

whatever4321234: I and the other really endgame players could probably do it a bit but it would be really annoying to convert WC to Energy all the time and for any player who isn't at 1k+ ascensions it would probably not be worth it anyway

TheJoseph666: it would benefit idling players since they don't get very many WC/Cyborg points

Tukkun: Hmm, noted

eldercain: i do like the idea of hyper mode though

Axiss32: Hyper Mode will burn 10x Energy?

eldercain: i have endless energy

Axiss32: Unless you have a super amount of BC, it's not worth

eldercain: and i think you'd have to be incredibly loaded to keep that running

TheJoseph666: for you

brianflexa: hyper mode would be good for when you have capped energy, not when you pay BC for it

TheJoseph666: but as I have max cyborg energy almost 24/7, Hyper mode sounds like a really good idea

eldercain: if it's still sustainable you could just make it burn 20x or something

eldercain: if the design is for players without infinite points

RandomL: But it doesn't really matter: if you have too much energy, if burning it quickly doesn't increase your EXP/cyborg point, then the benefits would be rather limited.

TheJoseph666: Hyped mode is not supposed to be sustainable

eldercain: just make it impossible to run forever

eldercain: eh

eldercain: it's just nice for finishing RQ

Baalhrezem: why stop at 20x? just make it 100x

brianflexa: it increases your exp/second, not exp/point

robertzi: lets have it so we set what factor of points we wish to spend more on and it adjusts the energy burn rate accordingly

robertzi: /s

eldercain: no, that seems like too big a buff to people with resources

brianflexa: I think I keep my opinion that there should be more Manual ways to get cyborg points

whatever4321234: Yeah but if you only have enough points for let's say 100 races, does it matter if you do them in 50 minutes and then let cyborg idle or if it takes 25 minutes before you go back to idling?

Tukkun: I'll increase points gain from Arcade and Stadium

whatever4321234: Like what's the benefit here besides getting a bit of exp a bit earlier than you would otherwise

whatever4321234: it's not actually more

robertzi: I'd rather be able to do 200 races and have it take 200 minutes in that examle

Tukkun: since it seems like the current primary source is Fishing anyway, either because it's idleable, or it's just OP

eldercain: you could have hyper mode do 2x speed and reward maybe?

robertzi: wait.. I'm repeating myself

TheJoseph666: @Tukkun, it's just OP

Tukkun: I guess I'll scrap the hyper mode idea for now

eldercain: that way it's still a buff to people who can use it but it's still better for people who can 24/7 to do that

Axiss32: What about a mod for 2x Cost, but something like 1.3x Reward?

eldercain: i think it's cool though :(

eldercain: a great midgame benefit

Baalhrezem: its a cool idea but also very dangerous

whatever4321234: If you want to help players with lots of energy and not a lot of points

whatever4321234: you could add a mode that halves the cyborg point cost while increasing energy cost

eldercain: that's true

RandomL: ^

eldercain: that might not be so bad

whatever4321234: that way they can get more out of their limited points

brianflexa: ^

Axiss32: True too

eldercain: that's a really good idea

brianflexa: I like it

Tukkun: Noted

whatever4321234: like halved cost for 5-10 times more energy

eldercain: wouldn't be worth if you're limited by energy

eldercain: but great if you're limited by points

Grillo126: just found out my young bro never washed his pillow

happyman12: That sounds nice, I have maxed energy and 27k points

eldercain: two different operating modes

Baalhrezem: slow-borg mode?

Grillo126: it's now yelow/orange yuckk

eldercain: android mode :V

eldercain: throw it out man

eldercain: just buy a new pillow

Naldsss: aiOS mode

eldercain: and teach him about pillowcases

eldercain: N-gage mode

Grillo126: he has pillow case

Grillo126: just never changed it

Grillo126: ><

Grillo126: maybe he trough it was yellow to start with

Tukkun: lol

HeartGlaceon: uh what

Axiss32: Hmm, also a mod that would increase Cyborg's performance, but at the cost of more Points/Energy?

xxindoxx: what the best breeding ?

whatever4321234: I haven't really followed chat in the past weeks, but did you consider a cyborg career?

Baalhrezem: you mean cyborg level?

whatever4321234: No I mean a career for cyborg :p

Grillo126: iceland people are good breeds

robertzi: but you can't bless cyborg

robertzi: :p

TheJoseph666: you can't bless BA either, yet, there is still a career for it

TheJoseph666: 2 careers in fact

Baalhrezem: well everything cyborg can do you can bless, otherwise youre just stacking multipliers

Grillo126: oh its tukkun hours

Grillo126: i want spaceships in 1.742

eldercain: i want a pony

HeartGlaceon: me too

Naldsss: typing career

HeartGlaceon: yes best idea ever

Naldsss: just to make everyone rage

whatever4321234: Could increase cyborg rewards/reduce costs/increase exp gain etc

whatever4321234: And be a new thing you can work on :p

Baalhrezem: why not grandpa upgrades but for cyborg?

xxindoxx: whats the best another garden seed

happyman12: Nah, he's already made enough people rage with the 500 bet achievement

HeartGlaceon: #52 i think

Axiss32: Your highscores are upgrades for Cybro, Baal

xxindoxx: but why #52 ?

HeartGlaceon: although #51 is also pretty good

xxindoxx: its 3.500 per second

xxindoxx: how is that good ?

Axiss32: 3.5k is a rough estimate.

HeartGlaceon: You haven't mastered it have you?

Grillo126: best breed is #70 as it's the best self sustaining seed

Axiss32: But then add plots, ferts, Gardener....

Grillo126: breed 25 of them and you're done with breeding

HeartGlaceon: how do you get #70 anyway?

Grillo126: #52 is the best seed but it's not self sustaining

Tukkun: Hmm yeah, perhaps something like "Cyborg mods" will make a good expansion in the future

Grillo126: and you need to rebreed regularly

Tukkun: but I'm too lazy for that at the moment

eldercain: i thought it was with enough perks?

Grillo126: how about letting people code features for you tukkun

Tukkun: No

happyman12: Tukkun, have you considered changing the bet feature slightly?

Grillo126: can't be lazy anymore lel

Axiss32: I still remember where in the queue there were a possible "x% chance to gain 2x Cyborg Points" permaperk

HeartGlaceon: How can I get seed #70?

Axiss32: *was

Tukkun: happyman12, the bet feature is admittedly not good but I'll keep it "just because"

Axiss32: Just because achieves ):

Tukkun: What suggestion do you have for changing it?

robertzi: breed two seeds that have an average of 70 and you have a 50% chance at getting it

Anonymity: remove it.

HeartGlaceon: um... which seeds, exactly?

Baalhrezem: Stadium Manager, now Grandpas 2.0

happyman12: Okay. I was going to consider an automatic re-start of the race after 5 seconds in the results screen

robertzi: any two with an average of 70

HeartGlaceon: I dunno which two to use then

Tukkun: So that it becomes idleable?

robertzi: 71and69 or 72and68 or 73and67 ...

Axiss32: It'd be cool

HeartGlaceon: Okay?

Tukkun: Sounds relatively awkward to me :P

HeartGlaceon: god i hate AG

happyman12: It's so that you don't have to watch ~2000 races for the new achievement

Tukkun: If that's just because of the new achievement, I don't think I'll implement it

Axiss32: I think it's for make Bet feature somewhat relevant

happyman12: If they clock in at 8 seconds each, that's 16000 seconds, or about 4.5 hours of active, non-engaging play

Tukkun: The requirement was reduced to 100

Tukkun: Is it 500 in the tentative list

Axiss32: Okay, nice

happyman12: ^Ah, I see

Axiss32: Yep, 500

eldercain: i mean the only reason people bet is for cheebs so idk

happyman12: That's a bit more managable

eldercain: making it idleable means it takes like an hour to get it done

Axiss32: Current S-Rank is 50, so half-way done

Baalhrezem: Stadium Manager was an idea i had to make stadium relevant but it ended up being "do nothing but get free exp" exactly like grandpas and being too similar to cyborg as well

happyman12: I'm fine with the function being in the game, but I don't like how it's a strictly active feature

Tukkun: I'll probably add some more sophisticated "cheer" feature to Bet mode though

Tukkun: just so it has some actual "gameplay"

happyman12: But in being active, you're doing nothing

Tukkun: Something like you can press a specified sequence of keys to "cheer" the character you bet for, increasing its stats slightly

Tukkun: (but not giving you a guaranteed win)

Axiss32: I hope intelligence too, as sometimes the one I pick crushes into all walls

happyman12: That sounds cool

Baalhrezem: so basically a quicktime event

Grillo126: basically MMR fused with bet

Grillo126: awesome

Chaos_Hikari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXMskKTw3Bc

Tukkun: And possibly something like extra EXP for winning several bets in a row

Tukkun: (which is probably irrelevant anyway, but ehhh)

Baalhrezem: a ride-your-winning feature?

TieSoul: oh shit

TieSoul: I lost my progress

TieSoul: welp

TieSoul: forgot to backup for a long time too

Tukkun: Earlier there was also a plan to make an "endless runner" mode to Stadium

Tukkun: But the idea was scrapped for awkward reasons

eldercain: double or nothing bet :V

Tukkun: (apologize for bad grammar, I've been really tired from all the internship stuff)

Axiss32: RIP Savefile

HeartGlaceon: huh?

Axiss32: Nothing you should look at :P

happyman12: Double or nothing sounds awkward. If you wanted double rewards, you could just win twice

happyman12: Unless the double or nothing requirement wasn't a race

Axiss32: I remember Pingy the Ping had this feature.

Tukkun: What feature?

Tukkun: Casino stuff?

xxindoxx: how demand master works ?

eldercain: triple or nothing? :V

happyman12: Oh god I hazily remember that game

Axiss32: Tukkun, yep. Including Double or Nothing

Tukkun: :P

brianflexa: betting would be a lot more exiting if you could actually not pick a random color and pray so it wins, but actually having a runner to run for you and train him

xxindoxx: how deman master cards work ?

brianflexa: or maybe I'm the only one who likes that idea

xxindoxx: plez answer

brianflexa: xxindoxx - it automatically adjusts market for you

brianflexa: based on the gems you have

xxindoxx: ok

xxindoxx: thx

happyman12: It lowers prices faster for the gems you don't have, and increases the ones you do

Axiss32: A Racer Manager would be super cool

happyman12: To a reasonable amount

Grillo126: need MMR achievements too

Grillo126: ahahah

Baalhrezem: there's already one

brianflexa: what exactly you mean by Racer Manager?

Grillo126: not related to mute right

Zerryie: Talking about the betting feature, one problem with it is that (apart from getting exp), you only break even in the long term.

brianflexa: the same as I said?

Zerryie: Every other feature in the game gives you rewards for doing them

Axiss32: You start the Stadium career as a guy with 0 on all stats, and with various training, and maybe equipment system, it will be as fast as you on racing

Naldsss: you get achievements, which sort of a reward

happyman12: Don't forget the quest tokens!

Baalhrezem: maybe having a payout for each color randomized between bets?

brianflexa: axiss - yes, that was what I was trying to say, thats awesome

Baalhrezem: even though the odds are still 1 in 4, if you continuously bet on the highest payout, you could make money in the long run

Axiss32: While today the profit is 0.

happyman12: Tukkun, maybe the easiest and subtlest answer to the betting problem is a simple buff to betting stats at level 100 career

Axiss32: As you spend 4x amount for receive the same amount.

Axiss32: Aka pointless.

Baalhrezem: unless for example, green has a 6:1 payout

brianflexa: and boring

Tukkun: That's an interesting idea... and probably difficult to balance.

Axiss32: (If that's not clear, win chance for the guy you pick is 25%, so you spend an amount of money 4x times. The final reward for winning is exactly what you spent for the 4 races)

Tukkun: It's difficult to determine the actual win rate of each character from their stats

brianflexa: I was actually thinking about replacing betting with the "Runner Manager" so your guy runs in the bet and you always bet on him

Tukkun: Because otherwise there's always going to be an optimal choice

Tukkun: and people will figure that out after some time

Baalhrezem: unless the layout of each map changes favoring certain stats

Tukkun: Another possible solution is to change betting into something like an hourly thing

Naldsss: you could also have an option to get a secret clue from an insider for x stadium tokens (or whatever other currency)

Tukkun: Like there will be just one race every hour, and you'll be making a very huge bet

Naldsss: and he'll tell you the guy that will win more often

brianflexa: I'm not sure about the hourly thing.

Baalhrezem: since stadium is the only side-scrolling feature in this game, you could very easily just make it into exactly that: a side-scrolling platformer

Axiss32: Tukkun, are there plans on making Item Fight less lucky-based, like less Item powers or longer track?

Tukkun: but that's going to screw up many achievement-related things unless there will be a stat reset

Tukkun: Axiss, not at the moment

Tukkun: I'll consider reducing item powers though

happyman12: ^Add a bet option to cyborg?

thijsel: I don't think Tukkun has plans to make a AI:TG 2 alberik

Axiss32: If we reach a donation amount of 7k dollars, maybe

happyman12: A multiplatform release of A:TG2

Sicoa: multiplatform?

Sicoa: now thats just crazy

Baalhrezem: when kongregate dies and he ports it to steam

happyman12: @Baal Kong will never die! Cute kongpanions will keep people coming back

Axiss32: Then I'll join to Steam only for A: TG

Tukkun: Multiplatform is probably something I won't consider unless I get some serious funding

thijsel: porting a flash game to something else is hard though.

thijsel: I think

alberik: well, yeah, 7k xD

Tukkun: Maybe a lot higher than 7k

thijsel: not as hard as tedious I'd imagine

Tukkun: The problem is that people don't even seem to donate anymore

alberik: I mean, not for multiplatform one, just aitg 2 xD

Sicoa: did i hear KICKSTARTER

Axiss32: And here the "Team Support Developers" would be back to action

Tukkun: Not Kickstarter, just a personal donation website where you donate and I do stuff

Martin_Briolic: Where do I donate?

Sicoa: patreon?

RandomL: http://tukkun.webs.com/donate.htm I think

Tukkun: It's in the game's main menu for those who are interested

Tukkun: Kickstarter and Patreon do seem intriguing but they are blocked where I live

Axiss32: Apparently, if there are a lot of players which play up to 5-6 Idle games on Steam/Kong/Mobile, it means Idle games are worth the effort of making them.

Axiss32: Oh...locked? Aww

Baalhrezem: maybe wait until Tukkun finishes his internship for massive project like steam/html5/multiplatform

Tukkun: I do plan to make games for iOS in the somewhat far future

Tukkun: but multiplatform is probably not really worth it unless I get some serious attention and funding

Tukkun: As much as it seems like Anti-Idle is popular, very few people really "know" about it

Baalhrezem: partly because its on kongregate

happyman12: Honestly, you could probably port the BA to the mobile market if you removed dependencies to the base game

Sicoa: i need to find a middle eastern oil lord to donate brb

Martin_Briolic: We should make a reddit for it or something.

Baalhrezem: and zero advertisement

Tukkun: When you mention some AAA titles, everyone will know what they are, but when you mention "Anti-Idle" to your classmates, they will go like "Is that some sort of pokayman?"

Axiss32: Other Idle games are know.....heh, what Baal said.

Martin_Briolic: I think it helped Undertale to have one.

thijsel: hey Tukkun, are you planning to ever return to Idle Planet?

Axiss32: Kongregate's community is also slowly dying, that's why.

Axiss32: Idle games like Clicker Heroes and AdvCap are known not only on Kong, but also on Steam and mobile.

Tukkun: I still like Kongregate due to its simplicity to use

Axiss32: A: TG is....only on Kong, with no advertisements

Tukkun: Other websites that allow you to make money require you to fill LOTS of personal information

Tukkun: and go through lots of verification processes