You're both being stupid. Those may be able to check and counter our grand archduke Heliolisk, but they're dead weight against any other special attacker. I would give them a solid 4/10, but let me introduce you to the most anti-meta blob ever to roam the hallowed halls of UU. Brace yourselves wolfpack, I'm about to tell you about Assault Vest Blissey.

 Blissey (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Mud Bomb
- Secret Power

Now I know what you're thinking. "yamb you fucking dipshit when did you shit your brain out that's stupid as fuck", and to that I say "no I didn't". Let me show you the bulk on this gal.

252 SpA Life Orb Heliolisk Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Blissey: 156-185 (21.8 - 25.9%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
Look at this dumb lizard it probably can't even hit four focus blasts.

So it can take a hit, what can it do in return?

252+ SpA Blissey Mud Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Heliolisk: 114-136 (43 - 51.3%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
It's a CLEAN 2HKO 98.8% of the time. Those are winning odds. And then there's the 60% chance of lowering accuracy on top of that. Eat your heart out Jirachi, UU has a new hax god. The art of the Mud Bomb is very elusive and not everyone knows how to use it well. It's so secret no one would expect it. And look at that boltbeam. It's a winning combo that no one wants to go up against. Physical attackers you say? Well that's what team support is for. I suggest Bulk Up Scrafty to take all of those physical hits. No will expect it so they won't prepare for it so they'll never be able to counter it.