Double Fine Game Club: The Journey Down (part 1)

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[20:35] <HenrikSkyGoblin> hey you all
[20:35] <lietu> hi
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[20:36] <lietu> bye
[20:36] <Cheeseness> Aww
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[20:36] <lietu> how unfortunate that the mibbit widget doesn't provide a disconnect-free "pop out" -feature
[20:36] <lietu> hi again
[20:37] <Cheeseness> lietu: Sorry, I was sorting through my emails :D
[20:37] <Cheeseness> Just shooting you a reply now
[20:37] <lietu> no worries, I'm not in a hurry ;)
[20:37] <Cheeseness> Hi HenrikSkyGoblin. Glad you could make it :)
[20:38] <lietu> btw, had to register a gmail account to get analytics, so we now have one of those
[20:38] <HenrikSkyGoblin> im having a dinner with Theo and some friends
[20:39] <Cheeseness> lietu: No worries. We can add that as the contact address to the twitch.tv and github profiles, so that's got uses beyond just the analytics :)
[20:39] <Cheeseness> Henrik: Awesome. Say hi from us :D
[20:39] <Cheeseness> What's for dinner?
[20:39] <HenrikSkyGoblin> it will be really interesting to see what you all think of the game :D
[20:39] <lietu> Cheeseness: yeah, I also thought it wasn't a bad thing
[20:40] <Cheeseness> I think it's great ^_^
[20:40] <Cheeseness> lietu: Gravatar as well will be nice :)
[20:40] <HenrikSkyGoblin> some sort of mixed sea food. yummi
[20:40] <lietu> I've also played it a bit already, haven't had nearly as much time for it as I hoped due to lots of work, but I've had fun with it
[20:40] <lietu> Cheeseness, go for it ;)
[20:40] <Cheeseness> I'll be running the stream, so I won't really be able to chat much, but I'll pass on my thoughts when we're done and participate where I can
[20:40] <Cheeseness> Ooh, seafood sounds nice :D
[20:41] <lietu> I'll have to check on my plants and have a smoke, brb
[20:41] <Cheeseness> HenrikSkyGoblin: I pre-record my stream intros, so Ive only mentioned Theo. Sorry in advance -_-
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[20:43] <Cheeseness> No need to take it like that ;_;
[20:43] <Cheeseness> lol
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[20:44] <HenrikSkyGoblin> i think that theo will come online later when his child is sleeping :P
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[20:46] <Cheeseness> No worries ^_^
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[20:47] <Cheeseness> By the way, if anybody's on the new stream page, could they confirm that they see "Game club" as the text in the stream background rather than "The Secret Of Monkey Island?
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[20:48] <lietu> sure
[20:48] <lietu> title is DFGC Testing: The Journey Down .. image says game club
[20:49] <lietu> hey syd
[20:49] <Cheeseness> Wait, you see a title?
[20:49] <lietu> oh twitch
[20:49] <lietu> *on
[20:50] <Cheeseness> I mean here, on the Game Club page
[20:50] <Cheeseness> Syd said he had to refresh his cache before it stopped showing his stream instead
[20:51] <Syd> Good ol' Ctrl-F5 did the trick for me.
[20:51] <Cheeseness> brb 2 secs
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[20:53] <lietu> works for me
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[20:55] <Cheeseness> Good good. Just want to be sure that nobody misses out on the stream ^_^
[20:56] <Cheeseness> Hey yama, are you about?
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[20:58] <Cheeseness> Hi :)
[20:58] <funtom> hi
[20:58] <lietu> hey there
[20:58] <Syd> Hiya
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[20:58] <Cheeseness> Hey Syd, would you mind keeping an eye on your stream chat just to make sure nobody's hanging around there?
[20:58] <Cheeseness> Hey theo :)
[20:58] <theo> wassup cheese
[20:59] <theo> I'm sort of semi afk right now.
[20:59] <Cheeseness> Not much, just counting down ^_^
[20:59] <Cheeseness> No worries
[20:59] <theo> But here. Sort of. :)
[20:59] <theo> Be back in a few.
[21:00] <Cheeseness> Well, I'm going to start streaming in a few secs. If people don't see the stream, let me know, OK?
[21:00] <yama> Hey, hey. I hope I'm not too late to the party. :D
[21:00] <lietu> definitely not
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[21:00] <Syd> Working for me.
[21:00] <Cheeseness> Hey yama :)
[21:00] <Cheeseness> Stream should be up now!
[21:00] <yama> Good evening, everyone. :)
[21:01] <Cheeseness> Hope I pronounced your name right, theo
[21:01] <lietu> yeah, works fine
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[21:01] <lietu> hey there
[21:01] <Cheeseness> Might let the menu music run for a few moments
[21:01] <lietu> yeah, it's nice
[21:01] <theo> It's my gaem! On the internet!!
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[21:01] <Cheeseness> :D
[21:01] <lietu> ;)
[21:01] <Edwahd> Love the music
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[21:02] <Cheeseness> Going with subtitles on. Hope that's not too distracting for anyone
[21:02] <theo> It's made by an awesome guy named Simon D'souza.
[21:02] <Cheeseness> Yeah, the music is great
[21:02] <Cheeseness> I plan on looking up Simon's work later in the weekend
[21:02] <yama> The music adds so much to the atmosphere of the game. I'm loving it. :D
[21:03] <Syd> I find subtitles to be pretty helpful. I usually play with them on. Subtitles just seem normal with adventure games, anyway.
[21:03] <Cheeseness> theo: Is there a soundtrack available? (I haven't looked it up)
[21:03] <theo> yeah it's on bandcamp. Dirt cheap!
[21:03] <Cheeseness> Syd: Sometimes they give away jokes though
[21:03] <theo> Support Simon and buy a copy. :)
[21:03] <Cheeseness> Hee, accents ^_^
[21:04] <funtom> http://souzamusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-journey-down
[21:04] <theo> Anthony Sardinha who does the voice of Bwana, the main character, also does the voice of the two goons, actually.
[21:04] <theo> thanks for link funtom.
[21:04] <theo> THIS SHOT TOOK FOREVER
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[21:04] <theo> I loved working on it though.
[21:04] <Cheeseness> theo: Worth the effort. It looks great
[21:04] <theo> Thanks :)'
[21:04] <theo> Love how it came out.
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[21:05] <Cheeseness> I love how wantonly silly Bwana is. He takes delight in the havok he wreaks.
[21:05] <theo> The music in this room was probably the last track we put into chapter one. We had a way crummier song earlier.
[21:05] <Cheeseness> That's not something that Guybrush (also silly) has
[21:05] <theo> hehe I know, it makes writing him crazy fun.
[21:05] <lietu> nice to see the JavaScript working in real use too .. with it saying "Next Session: Right now!" .. always a bit unsure if things will work in real environment and not just during testing
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[21:06] <Cheeseness> lietu: Yeah. I had a bug in my if statement for some new Humble Visualisations features and missed the first 5 hours worth of data from the current Humble Bundle
[21:06] <Cheeseness> Feeling very embarrassed about that >_<
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[21:07] <Cheeseness> I love this shot
[21:07] <yama> Was this scene made as a short tutorial?
[21:07] <Cheeseness> Also, the electricity sound sounds like one off freesound.org
[21:07] <Cheeseness> (we used it in FLAT)
[21:07] <theo> exactly, yama.
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[21:08] <Cheeseness> I love their high fives so much
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[21:08] <yama> Yays! That's what it did feel like. :)
[21:08] <henrikskygoblin9> we love free sound
[21:08] <Cheeseness> Hey in9
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[21:08] <Cheeseness> Oh
[21:08] <yama> Also, the way the whole city goes dark is fantastic in so many ways. :D
[21:08] <theo> Thanks yeah we love those highfives. Nice bonding. :)
[21:08] <Cheeseness> Wrapping
[21:08] <theo> yeah that city darkness shot was a blast to work with as well.
[21:08] <theo> very difficul but a lot of fun challenges.
[21:08] <Cheeseness> The slightly low frame rate high five animation gives it great pacing as well
[21:09] <Cheeseness> And their silly happy smiles :D
[21:09] <theo> It's the challenges that make this fun. :)
[21:09] <Cheeseness> Nice!
[21:09] <Cheeseness> Oh, later on, is there a reference to Gemini Rue?
[21:09] <Syd> I love his reaction to that dried-out lemon
[21:09] <theo> when you mean cheese?'
[21:10] <Cheeseness> Gemini Rhubarb
[21:10] <Cheeseness> CHEESE!
[21:10] <Cheeseness> lol
[21:10] <lietu> gah, looks like yet another DFA update without a notification
[21:10] <theo> yeah, that room is full of AGS in jokes.
[21:10] <Cheeseness> Bwana makes me laugh
[21:10] <henrikskygoblin9> did anyone find the easter egg in this scene? :P
[21:10] <Cheeseness> henrik: Ooh, make sure I don't miss it!
[21:10] <Cheeseness> (if it's interactive, that is)
[21:11] <yama> The bell one?
[21:11] <theo> yama knows it lol
[21:11] <Cheeseness> Should I click the bell some more then?
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[21:11] <yama> Yes. Click-click-click it and then click some more. :D
[21:11] <Cheeseness> :D
[21:12] <yama> Was there ever any use for the hammock in this room?
[21:12] <Cheeseness> Awesome! I have no idea what I'm hearing >_<
[21:12] <theo> bakgrundsmusiiiiiik
[21:12] <Syd> Haha
[21:12] <Cheeseness> Ohh!
[21:12] <yama> Background music. :D
[21:12] <funtom> :-)
[21:12] <Cheeseness> Awesome
[21:12] <theo> That's a track our old colleague Elfan made for an older project we worked on
[21:12] <theo> as a proxy thing.
[21:13] <theo> we loved it, and we love him so we wanted to stick it in the game.
[21:13] <yama> Heheh.
[21:13] <Cheeseness> lol
[21:13] <theo> In spirit he's with us on every project we build.
[21:13] <theo> He's also got a lovely voice!
[21:13] <Cheeseness> ^_^
[21:14] <Cheeseness> I love that Bwana thinks that the bread sticks might break, and then sends Lina up first :D
[21:14] <lietu> oh awesome, it seems Project Eternity has made $1.846M so far
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[21:14] <theo> yama: Yes, the hammock actually played a purpose once upon a time, in the first script of the game.
[21:14] <Cheeseness> Oh, it did?
[21:14] <Cheeseness> I did wonder
[21:14] <yama> Ah. So it had had a use.
[21:14] <theo> yeah, and then we kinda just kept it.
[21:15] <Cheeseness> It's not a bad red herring
[21:15] <Cheeseness> yama, look away
[21:15] <yama> Games with few of those objects that can be looked at throw me off because I always think they have a use in some puzzle. >.<
[21:15] <theo> In the original script the game started with bwana lying in the hammock sleeping.
[21:15] <lietu> same here
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[21:16] <Cheeseness> theo: Asleep when the power went off, or was there a different intro in mind earlier?
[21:16] <lietu> hi there
[21:16] <theo> completely different. there was no power outage in the first script.
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[21:17] <Cheeseness> How did you guys approach lipsync? In some scenes (power box) it appears to be synced, but most scenes (like this one) aren't
[21:17] <Cheeseness> It can be a lot of work. How did you choose which ones to give attention to?
[21:17] <theo> Honestly it was pretty random. We made some focused attempts but all in all it was VERY time consuming.
[21:17] <theo> Also it costs a lot, mb wise.
[21:18] <yama> Oh, this puzzle!
[21:18] <theo> remember, every single frame of animation need to be read from the harddrive. long animations = long loading times.
[21:18] <Cheeseness> Ha, this puzzle gave me difficulty. I kept trying to get the correct colour pointing downwards.
[21:18] <Cheeseness> Exactly
[21:18] <yama> I think I had seen the phone number before the puzzle so I could not solve the puzzle even if I knew it.
[21:18] <Syd> I solved the color-matching part on accident, then realized what it wanted me to do
[21:18] <yama> I had to go back and look at the flyer again.
[21:18] <Syd> I had looked at the brochure with the number in it before doing the puzzle, though, so I had no problem with that part.
[21:19] <yama> See, there's the thing.
[21:20] <yama> Despite me knowing the number, the game did not know I knew it.
[21:20] <Cheeseness> theo: That the first scene and the intro cutscene are have lip sync sort of makes you not notice that the rest of the game isn't (a little bit anyway)
[21:20] <Syd> Maybe Bwana just didn't pay attention to the number when he looked at the flyer before. :P
[21:20] <yama> He probably didn't. :)
[21:21] <lietu> I sure didn't
[21:21] <Cheeseness> Cactus rule!
[21:21] <lietu> I checked the flyer, but forgot the number
[21:21] <theo> lol you can't account for every single turn of events. That's just the way it is.
[21:21] <Cheeseness> Adventure games are all about possibility space, and no matter how much effort you put in, you'll never be able to cover everything
[21:21] <Cheeseness> I think the game does pretty well
[21:21] <Cheeseness> Ha, another high five :D
[21:22] <Cheeseness> More high fives in chapter 2 please!
[21:22] <yama> Yeah, all in all, the game is coherent. :)
[21:22] <theo> Yeah I'm happy with how well we've planned for those things. We have tons of alternate dialog lines depending on what the player has experienced.
[21:22] <theo> tons.
[21:22] <yama> Yays. :D
[21:22] <Syd> Now for the three trials. Can't help but think of Secret of Monkey Island when I see an adventure game give the player three objectives.
[21:22] <lietu> there's one thing that did annoy me in the game, I couldn't find a way to do something like double-click on a screen exit to quickly move to the next one .. waiting for the character to walk across screens when searching for what you need to do can be rather annoying
[21:22] <theo> Bwana has 1200+ lines and a normal playthrough won't hear half of those.
[21:23] <theo> thanks for that input lietu. We keep hearing that.
[21:23] <Cheeseness> I love the pocket comments ^_^
[21:23] <yama> Add a counter for number of unique lines heard. ;)
[21:23] <Cheeseness> Yeah, do that!
[21:23] <yama> I'd replay the game if I knew there was more to experience.
[21:24] <yama> Well, besides replaying it because it's a good game. :)
[21:24] <Cheeseness> theo: That fast travel thing is something a lot of people will ask for. I expect that skipping non-interactive sequences is also highly requested
[21:24] <Syd> Shophishticated!
[21:24] <theo> hehe well it's not so much experience as different approaches to different situations depending on previous steps.
[21:25] <Cheeseness> Bwana loves everything :D
[21:25] <theo> He's a positive guy. :)
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[21:25] <Cheeseness> Yay, more cheee
[21:25] <Cheeseness> cheese^
[21:25] <yama> I like how the game hints at things if you listen to the dialogue when getting some items.
[21:26] <yama> Such as "knock an elephant out".
[21:26] <theo> Glad you noticed yama. We put a lot of work into  that.
[21:26] <theo> I like subtly stuffing hints everywhere.
[21:26] <Cheeseness> ^_^
[21:26] <Cheeseness> Poor pelican
[21:26] <Cheeseness> I was all: D:
[21:26] <theo> lol, he'll be fine.
[21:27] <theo> he's just sleeping. :P
[21:27] <Cheeseness> fluffaroonie? Is that a part of normal vernacular over there?
[21:27] <theo> hehe no. I made it up.
[21:27] <Cheeseness> Awesome ^_^
[21:27] <theo> Notice how the sailor says "Key kid!" ?
[21:28] <theo> It feels completely natural but is extremely weird, no?
[21:28] <Cheeseness> I did
[21:28] <theo> It's because I had written Key instead of Hey, and the actor read it how I had written it and it slipped into the game.
[21:28] <theo> But no one notices.
[21:28] <Cheeseness> Ha, awesome
[21:28] <theo> People seem to think it's a kind of common greeting, heh.
[21:28] <Cheeseness> Did you record all the voices in the same studio?
[21:29] <theo> absolutely not. Which is an issue.
[21:29] <theo> that's why we get so different sound on different characters.
[21:29] <Cheeseness> It's noticeable (particularly with this guy)
[21:29] <yama> Yeah.
[21:29] <Syd> Yeah, I had noticed that the quality seemed to change with each character
[21:29] <theo> Yeah it's a big issue with this chapter.
[21:29] <Syd> This guy in particular sounds a bit lower quality
[21:29] <Cheeseness> I like to pretend he's George Takei
[21:29] <theo> We're definitely going to be more picky with that in chapter two.
[21:30] <Cheeseness> theo: Was that because your cast wasn't located together, or was it just somethign that you weren't able to throw resources into?
[21:30] <theo> This is the first game we cast, so.. learning by doing. :)
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[21:30] <theo> We had no money.
[21:30] <theo> Most of those guys worked for free. Not al, but most of them.
[21:30] <Cheeseness> :)
[21:30] <theo> They're spread out all over the world and working with their own home-equipment.
[21:31] <Cheeseness> Yeah, that's what I imagined would be the case
[21:31] <theo> They did an amazing job though. I'm happy to have worked with them all.
[21:31] <theo> I solely see it as my fault that we didn't manage to make it all sound more coherent.
[21:31] <theo> The actors did a great job.
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[21:31] <Cheeseness> Honestly, it doesn't really detract from the game that much. It's noticeable, but it's not the end of the world
[21:32] <Cheeseness> Or the edge ^_^
[21:32] <theo> :P
[21:32] <theo> it's one thing we can improve on, so... we're going to improve on it.
[21:32] <Cheeseness> Good :)
[21:32] <lietu> agreed, it's something you notice, but not something you really care that much about
[21:32] <Cheeseness> Will you look at re-recording some of the episode 1 dialogue after you're done with the rest if you have money left over?
[21:33] <theo> Honestly, I don't think so. Maybe we'll put some time into post-editing though.
[21:33] <theo> We didn't do a lot in post this time around at all.
[21:33] <Cheeseness> No worries ^_^
[21:34] <Cheeseness> The artwork is beautiful
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[21:35] <Cheeseness> By the way, has anybody posted in the forum thread?
[21:35] <Cheeseness> (that the stream is live)
[21:36] <Cheeseness> I think I forgot
[21:36] <Cheeseness> I find this particular piece of dialogue to be a fairly long bit of non-interactive exposition
[21:37] <Syd> It was bumped, but by someone that was just posting to say that the keys were taken.
[21:37] <lietu> done
[21:37] <Cheeseness> Cheers guys
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[21:37] <theo> I agree cheese. We were actually planning on breaking it off with some pictures.
[21:37] <theo> to make it less droney. Some newspaper clippings and shots in the book, etc.
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[21:37] <theo> But we couldn't afford it at all.
[21:37] <theo> Not even close.
[21:38] <theo> Would have loved to do that as well.
[21:38] <Cheeseness> It's all good
[21:38] <Syd> It took me a while to find out that I could get to this area. I'm not sure why I didn't try going out that hatch until later on.
[21:38] <Cheeseness> It's not long enough to make me dislike it
[21:38] <Cheeseness> But I can imagine it might make some impatient
[21:38] <Syd> But once I did go there, I was at the point where I knew exactly what to do with that net.
[21:38] <HenrikSkyGoblin2> lol. my phones irc client is not stabile
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[21:39] <theo> yeah,. I'm sure people would have paid more attention if it was broken off with pics retc.
[21:39] <Cheeseness> theo: What was the production time on the game? How long did it take from starting earnest work to going live?
[21:39] <Cheeseness> "Oh bananas Bwana!"
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[21:39] <Cheeseness> Henrik: Yeah, you do seem to be dropping out a bit
[21:39] <theo> Impossible to count. The original low res version took me 3-4 years. We built the HD version in slightly less than two.
[21:40] <theo> he's sitting with his smartphone on a shoddy connection.
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[21:40] <Cheeseness> Did the game or its puzzles get much refinement with the HD version?
[21:40] <Syd> "Pointless.... yet satisfying!" I love that line.
[21:40] <Cheeseness> Is that a reference to something?
[21:40] <Cheeseness> It rings a bell
[21:40] <HenrikSkyGoblin2> lucky Me, i can look at theos computer screen
[21:40] <Cheeseness> :D
[21:41] <theo> Actually that shot was inspired by the awesome shot where hoagie climbs out of ed's mansion in DOTT and there's this awesome blooump sound effect.
[21:41] <theo> I did that over and over agian when I played it cause I loved the sound and animation.
[21:41] <theo> I wanted the same thing.
[21:41] <Cheeseness> :D
[21:42] <theo> We mostly added puzzles in the hd version, and complexified some of them. We didn't change them very much. Mostly build upon and add.
[21:42] <theo> Added some clues though.
[21:42] <Cheeseness> By the way, if I were to make a suggestion for future episodes, it would be to move hotspots/interactive elements away from the bottom of the screen. I've been bringing the inventory up a lot by accident
[21:42] <theo> Yeah I know- Thanks for being blunt.
[21:43] <theo> That's something I agree we should change.
[21:43] <Syd> Or a (maybe optional) button tucked off to the side for bringing up the inventory.
[21:43] <Cheeseness> Again, it doesn't really make the game less enjoyable
[21:43] <Cheeseness> But it'd be nice ^_^
[21:43] <theo> Probably it comes in part from the game originally not having a popup inventory. Less intrusive then when hotspots we're close to the bottom.
[21:44] <Cheeseness> Ahhh
[21:44] <Cheeseness> I also love the shipping crate sign. That's awesome
[21:45] <theo> It's from a real crate I saw somewhere. 100%
[21:45] <Cheeseness> :D
[21:45] <Cheeseness> I love that it's this out of reach piece of treasure that drives you to solve the pelican puzzle
[21:45] <Cheeseness> But it's actually tedious and useless, but Bwana still delights in it
[21:46] <Cheeseness> yama, you'll want to look away for a little bit again ^_^
[21:47] <Cheeseness> Oh wait. It's Syd who was stuck with the shirt >_<
[21:47] <Cheeseness> Sorry
[21:47] <yama> Ah, this puzzle. I used everything with everything and got the paint on to the shirt. ^^:
[21:47] <theo> ah the good old everything on everything.
[21:48] <yama> Hehe. Can never go wrong with that if you're stuck. ;)
[21:48] <Cheeseness> Actually, I painted the shirt, but spent all my time trying to find some way to put it on >_<
[21:48] <Syd> I was stuck on finding the shirt in the first place. I had a feeling that I had to use paint on a shirt of some sort to make it look like a uniform, though.
[21:48] <theo> so true. sadly! I wish we had planted better clues.
[21:48] <theo> ok good.
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[21:48] <Cheeseness> Honestly, there's value in getting stuck. Puzzles don't feel as rewarding if you don't have to work for them
[21:49] <yama> The only puzzle I had to l actually look up the solution for, because I was stuck on it for two days, was the drainpipe one. (I know it's too early for that now, though.)
[21:49] <Cheeseness> As Syd  was saying earlier, some of the solutions to puzzles come when you're not playing, and that can help a lot of the game, its story and sense of fun sink in
[21:49] <theo> yeah we didn't really have any drainpipe hints.
[21:49] <yama> Probably because Bwana first says, "I don't want to mess with it", when interacting with the pipe early on, I never thought to try it again.
[21:49] <Syd> I figured out that the metal pole was the yoke for the plane when I was just about to go to sleep. :)
[21:49] <Cheeseness> Yeah, it took me a while to realise that I could play with the pipe at that point in time
[21:49] <theo> yeah that was actually kind of clutzy puzzle design from our part if you ask me.
[21:50] <theo> It could have been avoided.
[21:50] <lietu> yeah, I agree .. puzzles that you get a bit stuck in are important, if the game offers no "resistance", it doesn't feel rewarding at all
[21:50] <theo> I personally detest when a previously un-interactive object suddnely, arbitrarly becomes interactible.
[21:50] <lietu> it's like an FPS game with an aimbot
[21:50] <Cheeseness> I think it's obvious that the drain is involved with the coffee, but I tried to use inventory items with it
[21:50] <yama> Apart from that one, I can proudly say I solved all puzzles myself. I just had to leave the game over night and I got some ideas to try. :D
[21:51] <theo> hehe good to hear it, yama.
[21:51] <yama> It was funny, though. I got some ideas at work and couldn't wait to get home and try it.
[21:51] <Cheeseness> I started to look one thing up (because I was running out of time and needed to sleep before the stream), but I realised the solution before I finished loading a walkthrough ^_^
[21:52] <Cheeseness> Can't rmember what it was though
[21:52] <lietu> the only real complaint I have about Gemini Rue is that it was pretty resistance-free, I think there was just one thing I was stuck at, just because I didn't see their small visual hint of an interactable object
[21:52] <yama> I love that feeling when you realise, "that's got to be the solution!", and then you try it and it works. :D
[21:52] <Syd> It takes some willpower to keep yourself from checking for solutions on the internet, but it makes adventure games so much more enjoyable when you get those "A-ha!" moments with puzzles.
[21:52] <Cheeseness> lietu: I think GR was on the easy side, but I still loved it.
[21:53] <Cheeseness> I'll echo what yama and Syd are saying
[21:53] <lietu> yeah, me too .. the story was awesome, and it was on general a whole lot of fun, but still a bit too easy
[21:53] <lietu> me too
[21:53] <HenrikSkyGoblin2> the propeller animation might be my favorit cut scene
[21:53] <Cheeseness> I didn't mind how easy BTTF was though
[21:54] <lietu> thesedays I do occasionally check the interwebs for solutions for a few puzzles, but very rarely, and I don't continue reading on
[21:54] <Cheeseness> I think game difficulty should be matched with theme and story.
[21:54] <Cheeseness> Henrik: It's great :D
[21:55] <Syd> If I enjoy the story enough, I can overlook poor puzzle design. Still, the best adventure games have both an interesting story and good puzzle design.
[21:55] <Cheeseness> How would you guys feel if I finished up the stream when I get to the other boat?
[21:55] <Cheeseness> Want to make sure I leave enough for next week
[21:55] <lietu> mjeah, I'm starting to think that the 2h sessions are a bit too long, especially for me, I'm too stuck to my sleeping pattern and get very tired after 1.5hrs of game club ;)
[21:56] <yama> I need to be off in a few minutes. It's soon 10pm and I've got to be at work at 6am tomorrow. >.<
[21:56] <Syd> Yeah, that'd be fine, Cheeseness.
[21:56] <lietu> the game club basically starts when I normally head to bed
[21:56] <theo> I'll happily try and join next time. Cut this one whenever you feel like it, as far as I'm concerned. :)
[21:56] <Cheeseness> No worries, well I'll do the switchpuzzle and call it a job done
[21:56] <Cheeseness> I love the switch puzzle so much
[21:56] <Cheeseness> Very well done, guys :)
[21:57] <theo> Thanks. It's one of my favorites too.
[21:57] <theo> I enjoy mocking those goofy impossible-to-understand puzzles that riddled games of yore.
[21:57] <Cheeseness> :)
[21:57] <yama> Heh heh. :D
[21:58] <theo> They could only be solved by randomly clicking.
[21:58] <lietu> hehe
[21:58] <Cheeseness> Note to self, remember to get the fish and wrench next time
[21:59] <Cheeseness> Also, I love this bit
[21:59] <theo> This shot was crazy,
[21:59] <Cheeseness> lol
[21:59] <theo> We did so many uggly things behind the scenes you'd never guess.
[21:59] <theo> Still somehow, in the end, it worked out great.
[21:59] <Cheeseness> It's what you do ^_^
[21:59] <Cheeseness> All part of game dev
[22:00] <theo> yeah. Lot's of smoke and mirrors, that's it.
[22:00] <lietu> thanks for the stream cheese
[22:00] <Syd> Thanks for streaming, Cheeseness
[22:00] <Cheeseness> A pleasure :)
[22:00] <yama> Thanks for joining in, Theo and Henrik. :D
[22:00] <Cheeseness> Yeah, thanks for coming guys :)
[22:00] <theo> Thank you! I had a blast watching. :)
[22:00] <lietu> yeah, thanks guys, it was a pleasure
[22:00] <Cheeseness> I'm sure we'll have more comments, questions and discussion next week when we've progressed through more of the game
[22:00] <yama> You've made a fantastic game and I cannot wait to play the second part. :D
[22:01] <theo> If you guys have any questions you'd like answered, I'll be scanning the forum.
[22:01] <funtom> thanks
[22:01] <theo> Thanks guys.
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[22:01] <theo> Part two is coming along nicely.
[22:01] <HenrikSkyGoblin2> thanks for the stream. this have Bern fin to see and träd
[22:01] <Cheeseness> I was going to ask about that
[22:01] <yama> That's great to hear. :D
[22:01] <HenrikSkyGoblin2> read. lol
[22:01] <theo> Part two is a gigantic game though,.,
[22:01] <theo> part one was tiny,
[22:01] <Cheeseness> What sort of size difference would you say there is?
[22:01] <lietu> gotta start somewhere ;)
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[22:02] <Cheeseness> (and how many parts are you envisioning the game will have in total?)
[22:02] <HenrikSkyGoblin> theos computer died. heat problem
[22:02] <yama> I'm totally gonna buy the first part on Desura now. :D
[22:02] <Cheeseness> Aww
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[22:02] <Cheeseness> yama: Do it :D
[22:02] <yama> (Already bought it twice, too.)
[22:02] <Cheeseness> Oh, it's me!
[22:02] <Cheeseness> I'm going to sign out from here
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[22:02] <HenrikSkyGoblin> part One is Tony. part two is gigantic.
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[22:03] <HenrikSkyGoblin> Tiny
[22:03] <lietu> is this a big or a small tony? ;)
[22:03] <Cheeseness> HenrikSkyGoblin: How would you describe the size difference? Double?
[22:05] <HenrikSkyGoblin> double. thanks för the Chat. see u next Week.
[22:05] <lietu> cya
[22:06] <Cheeseness> Have a good week :)(
[22:06] <yama> Looking forward to the next session. :D
[22:06] <HenrikSkyGoblin> our science pile is burning lol