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  1. [10:49:54 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: He'll be back soon Yerian
  2. [10:50:14 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: Anyways, working on creating this Nakige thread
  3. [10:50:31 PM] Yerian: Sounds interesting
  4. [10:50:49 PM] Yerian: How many other companies actually make Nakiges
  5. [10:52:38 PM] Yerian: With Key seemingly being so popular, you'd think the genre would be much more, uh, expansive
  6. [10:53:06 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: I'm pretty sure there are other companies doing it
  7. [10:53:26 PM] Ryan Wolff: because they are hard to write. companies do it. they just are not sucsessful
  8. [10:53:32 PM] Yerian: I guess muh sex sells too well hue
  9. [10:54:39 PM] Yerian: Yeah that makes sense Ryan
  10. [10:55:43 PM] Ryan Wolff: unfortunatly, the term nakige is dependant on a personal opinion. so unless its universally agreed on that its going to make you cry, it cant technically be called nakige
  11. [10:56:18 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: Well it's intended to make you cry or it tells an emotional driven story
  12. [10:56:22 PM] Yerian: Wow Ryan, you're actually making a bunch of good, sensible point for once
  13. [10:57:04 PM] Yerian: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
  14. [10:58:23 PM] Ryan Wolff: not going too deep into this, but unless a story is well writen, its not going to have an emotional feel on the reader. i mean you just wont care for it.
  15. (not trying to be philisophical, just trying to explain something serious.)
  16. muv luv for example. no matter who you are, you spend around 200 hours learning the characters inside and out. when love happends between them, your going to feel it.
  17. [11:02:08 PM] Ryan Wolff: its all about proper time usage, and "real" characters. if you feel like the character is unrealistic, people will generally not care for it. but if all the characters has some aspect to them that might be relatable, people will feel something for the character. thus if something happends to them, generally, people will have some emotion towards the event. pretty much making the difference between a eroge and a nakige
  18. [11:03:01 PM] Yerian: well, theres actually a ton more different than that between eroges and nakiges
  19. [11:03:02 PM] Ryan Wolff: that might have been a bit redundant, but i belive i proved my point
  20. [11:03:14 PM] Ryan Wolff: true
  21. [11:03:23 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: Hold on a sec and I'll get the thread
  22. [11:03:36 PM] Ryan Wolff: but at the same time, cant a "shitty" nakige with sex sence be construed as a eroge?
  23. [11:04:13 PM] Yerian: Umm... I wouldnt say its impossible... but probably very improbable
  24. [11:04:17 PM] Yerian: It would take skill
  25. [11:06:36 PM] Ryan Wolff: to the untrained eye that has never expirienced a good nakige, they might feel that its more based on the sex.
  26.  
  27. IMO
  28. i love hoshizora no memoria, but i feel that the only reason why the put the sex in there was to get that AO rating and to reach a different audience. i belive that i would be better withought the sex in it. not saying that its not a nakige, but that there would be no misconseption if it had no sex scenes.
  29. [11:07:54 PM] Yerian: Well, the majority of Key's VNs have had H-scenes, so...
  30. [11:08:35 PM] Ryan Wolff: but they are alot more story focused and dont have an equil amount of sex scenes for each character that come in around the same time for all.
  31. [11:09:06 PM] Ryan Wolff: think of it like watching a generic 12 episode anime
  32. [11:09:12 PM] Yerian: Sorry, I havent read Hoshizora, but does it do that?
  33. [11:09:21 PM] Ryan Wolff: yup
  34. [11:09:35 PM] Ryan Wolff: exept for the first girl.
  35. she gets an extra sex scene
  36. [11:10:13 PM] Ryan Wolff: but back to the anime thing.
  37.  
  38. its pretty much a rule that some sort of conflict will come into the anime around episode 9
  39. [11:10:24 PM] Ryan Wolff: it gets resolved,
  40. [11:10:48 PM] Ryan Wolff: and if it has not had one already, either a beach or a pool, or a hot spring fan service episode at the end.
  41. [11:11:47 PM] Ryan Wolff: im not ripping on anime, im just trying to show how shows that have sex in there just to "be in there" is not something that goes over the readers head. it takes you away from the romance between the two characters.
  42. [11:13:40 PM] Ryan Wolff: now, there are alot of VNs that do this. not saying all, not saying most. just alot. so to end this, nakiges are "trying" to be made constantly, its just that most people are more interested in making money, so in order to hit a larger audience, they will add in sex. thus bluring the lines between nakiges and eroge.
  43. [11:13:47 PM] Yerian: wow, you must watch a lot of shitty anime
  44. [11:13:56 PM] Ryan Wolff: over 500 different series
  45. [11:16:26 PM] Yerian: I unfortunately cannot comment as much as I'd like because I havent read all that much
  46. [11:16:45 PM] Yerian: but I understand what you're saying
  47. [11:19:27 PM] Ryan Wolff: im someone who wants more good quality content in the "anime" world. when i see a thought provoking, or a emotional product, i jump right on it. i like showing others that japan is not all about hentai and over the top commercials. as well that it should not be thrown out because its a cartoon.
  48. [11:20:04 PM] Ryan Wolff: thats why i would like for more companies to understand that if they put time and effort into makeing a good nakige, it will sell just as much, if not more than a eroge
  49. [11:21:05 PM] Yerian: And yet Key still finds it necessary to put H-scenes in most of their VNs... hmm
  50. [11:21:16 PM] Ryan Wolff: well
  51. [11:21:21 PM] Ryan Wolff: not as much resently
  52. [11:21:28 PM] Yerian: I don't know, maybe I just dont understand the Japanese market
  53. [11:21:29 PM] Ryan Wolff: they released after the fact EX
  54. [11:21:46 PM] Ryan Wolff: to add a few characters and add the sex scenes, that in my oppinion felt out of place
  55. [11:21:59 PM] Ryan Wolff: here like you said before
  56. [11:22:01 PM] Ryan Wolff: sex sells
  57. [11:22:01 PM] Yerian: right, which would make seem as if they thought LB did not sell well enough without H
  58. [11:22:46 PM] Yerian: therefore, going against the argument that nakiges can sell just as well if not more than eroge
  59. [11:23:08 PM] Ryan Wolff: ex added 3 girls
  60. [11:23:49 PM] Ryan Wolff: memorial edition i thing sold a bit better than ex becuase "i dont want to see my waifu defiled"
  61. [11:24:05 PM] Yerian: right, but why couldnt they have just went straight to ME
  62. [11:24:06 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: https://forum.kazamatsuri.org/t/nakige-crying-game-opinions-and-discussion/1006
  63. [11:24:10 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: Alright guys, got the thread
  64. [11:24:19 PM] Ryan Wolff: because more money
  65. [11:25:04 PM] Ryan Wolff: "hey lets draw like 3 images for each girl and get some stock lines. how much will that cost us? pretty much nothing? ok lets do it."
  66. [11:25:17 PM] Yerian: Well, there you go, more versions does equal more money
  67. [11:25:58 PM] Ryan Wolff: right, but here is the deference between the two.
  68. one has a good story
  69. the other has a good story that gets interupted by meaningless sex
  70. [11:26:45 PM] Ryan Wolff: thanks krishnan
  71. [11:26:49 PM] Yerian: But I think we're drifting away from our original point, whether eroge can be good nakige
  72. [11:27:01 PM] Yerian: Key seems to say yes
  73. [11:27:49 PM] Vijayagopal (Inuconandoyle) Krishnan: You're welcome Ryan
  74. [11:28:43 PM] Ryan Wolff: i feel that it can be done, but only when the sex scenes were in the intentions from the begining, and not added in after the product has been finished.
  75. (air, kanon)
  76. [11:30:08 PM] Ryan Wolff: but lets look at a key product. tomoyo after
  77. [11:30:37 PM] Ryan Wolff: i dont think that comming in her sock or in her panties should change if i get the good ending of the bad ending
  78. [11:31:15 PM] Yerian: haha well good thing it doesnt lol
  79. [11:32:45 PM] Ryan Wolff: i actually tested it, it did, all non sexuall options were the same (aimed for the good ending) and tested both sex options, made a difference, however if i was aming for the bad end, it did not make a difference.
  80.  
  81. i dont know about the ps2 version because that has a complety different ending option
  82. [11:33:59 PM] Yerian: wait what
  83. [11:34:12 PM] Yerian: your joking
  84. [11:34:12 PM] Ryan Wolff: spoilers
  85. [11:34:36 PM] Ryan Wolff: i remember reading on the fan translation page that the ps version has a happier option
  86. [11:35:02 PM] Ryan Wolff: it was when the patch first came out so its been a while, but i belive thats what it said
  87. [11:35:20 PM] Ryan Wolff: people were complaining about the ending and someone said
  88. "watch the ps ending"
  89. [11:35:50 PM] Yerian: You lost me
  90. [11:36:58 PM | Edited 11:37:00 PM] Ryan Wolff: the CS edition has a different ending
  91. [11:37:13 PM] Ryan Wolff: http://breadmasterlee.com/2013/05/19/galge-review-tomoyo-after-its-a-wonderful-life-cs-edition/
  92. spoiler alart if you read this
  93. [11:37:17 PM | Edited 11:37:27 PM] Yerian: Right bc the original spoiler was "too sad"
  94. [11:37:43 PM] Yerian: or somin like that
  95. [11:37:52 PM] Ryan Wolff: right, so they added a new ending, that is not available on PC
  96. [11:38:26 PM] Yerian: Im confused about what the sex choices way in the beginning have to do with the end
  97. [11:38:33 PM] Ryan Wolff: only the CS edition which is on
  98. ps2, psp, xbox, android, ps3
  99. [11:38:36 PM] Ryan Wolff: hmm
  100. [11:38:42 PM] Ryan Wolff: 2014-09-26 18+ Tomoyo After ~It's a Wonderful Life~ Perfect Edition
  101. [11:38:48 PM] Ryan Wolff: i dont know if this has the new ending
  102. [11:38:56 PM] Ryan Wolff: i read it before this was available
  103. [11:39:06 PM] Yerian: It has new HCGs I think
  104. [11:39:25 PM] Ryan Wolff: if thats all it has then it does not have the new ending
  105. [11:39:51 PM] Yerian: Maybe it has both?
  106. [11:40:05 PM] Ryan Wolff: i think in total its 3 endings
  107. [11:40:07 PM] Ryan Wolff: the bad end
  108. [11:40:11 PM] Ryan Wolff: the first good end
  109. [11:40:19 PM] Ryan Wolff: and the new amazing omg i love this end
  110. [11:41:49 PM] Ryan Wolff: on a different note
  111. [11:42:19 PM] Ryan Wolff: kud waffter?
  112. never even seached anything on it.
  113. would you say that its just there for the sex thing, or that its actually a good story?
  114. [11:42:48 PM] Yerian: Idk I havent read it
  115. [11:43:31 PM] Yerian: I want to believe that Key would never make something that didnt actually have a good story
  116. [11:43:50 PM] Yerian: but Kud is just so... out there
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