[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Yo dtr.
[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Had a chat with cia.
[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: I just wanted to know if one of my guys actually called foul play and escelated to sean.
[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Or if you did that?
[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Oh and I told that cia already, but I have nothing personally against you.
[7:52 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: In game stays ingame.
[7:53 PM] dtr: From what I heard after the fact, the attacker escalated to sean after the ban, and claimed that ciastex abused a position of power.
[7:53 PM] dtr: Bear in mind that that's third hand chinese whispers
[7:53 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Oh.
[7:53 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Well you guys figured out it was a bug.
[7:53 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: But he did not know that at that point.
[7:54 PM] dtr: If he didn't know, he wasn't paying any attention
[7:54 PM] dtr: anyone with any sense would notice it was a bug immediately
[7:54 PM] dtr: the entire server was lagging
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Well he automated it.
[7:54 PM] dtr: and you can't just set up a fire and forget attack without checking for stability
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: And there are no rules against that.
[7:54 PM] dtr: if you do, you deserve what you get
[7:54 PM] dtr: Automating at human speeds
[7:54 PM] dtr: you have to CHECK you are running at human speeds
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: It ran the script.
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: The script was bugged.
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: The automation didn't faul.
[7:54 PM] dtr: and he didn't check to make sure it was safe
[7:54 PM] dtr: his fault
[7:54 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: The script ingame did.
[7:55 PM] dtr: yeah, but you have to check and guarantee your script is safe
[7:55 PM] dtr: that's on you
[7:55 PM] dtr: ( well, on the attacker )
[7:55 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: The script was well tested.
[7:55 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: We use it daily.(edited)
[7:55 PM] dtr: not well enough
[7:55 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Okay but if the script does more than it should because of a bug in the ingame client.
[7:55 PM] dtr: no defense, you have to test
[7:55 PM] dtr: you claim it was tested
[7:55 PM] dtr: how did it not find this bug in testing
[7:56 PM] dtr: I say, it wasn't thoroughly tested if the bug was only discovered 'in production'
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: We are talking about a script in a sandbox game.
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: Not some real world application.
[7:56 PM] dtr: Yeah, but how did you test it before to verify this couldn't happen?
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: We...used it on people.
[7:56 PM] dtr: when I run my atomation, everything ets a good couple hours of corectness verification against a target I control
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: And it worked.
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: And did not crash the server
[7:56 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: So...that's testing?
[7:57 PM] dtr: and it just HAPPENED to magically run extra fast that one time?
[7:57 PM] dtr: or ciastex just happened to be the first to report the obvious abuse?
[7:57 PM] dtr: Either way: you didn't test it sufficiently, and destabilized the server
[7:57 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: It ran extra fast because it was run automatically as fast as possible.
[7:57 PM] dtr: and did it do that in your tests?
[7:58 PM] dtr: if no, your tests were insufficient
[7:58 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: So every player who makes a script that bugs out the game is...at his own fault?
[7:58 PM] dtr: if yes, how did you think it was acceptable?
[7:58 PM] Fuck This Gay Earth: On accident even?
[7:58 PM] dtr: Of course. I've done it and sean was pissed.
[7:58 PM] dtr: You are pushing the boundaries of the rules, you take responsibility for what you do
[7:59 PM] dtr: it's on you (a generic you, the automator) to ensure that even in exceptional circumstances, you are still obeying the rules