Markus does not cheat

So I, the great and almighty king, decided to once again take time out of my days in order to help you mere mortal moderators come up with a decision. I thought you could handle this on your own but since there were apparently 32 round games between sukram and kawarimi/shadowflux, and only 14 of them were included in the pastebin, the verdict screams somewhat of cherry picking. So I'm going to painstakingly go through all of these games here from a 100% neutral standpoint as I have no contact with either of these players, and am not in contention at all this round to trophy, and then come up with what I feel is a rational decision. I just want you all to know reading this. That in a round where 2 people play so many games with other, there will be games that in isolation, will look suspicious, and there will be games that are totally irrelevant either because they are both scum or because they die too early for cheating to be a factor. That's why you have to look at this round as a whole. If none of the games seem to insist innocence, then you can safely say they are cheating.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4037947/review

This is sukram's 2nd game of his run, Kawarimi is cop, and gets CCed. The mafia does a terrible job with their CC here, saying that their cop CC is not mafia and other irrelevant stuff, and after around a 15 minute day gets lynched. Sukram didn't quickly tunnel kawa's CC, he eventually arrives to the right decision after a short while but kawa's claim was much better. D2 is autowin thank to the way the cop reports fell. I consider this game to be quite irrelevant either way. Yes he lynched right but the mafia was obvious and it's not like he rushed this lynch. If he cheated it he did a decent job hiding it.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4038042/review

Now this game the timing is a little odd. Sukram had just lost his last 3 games (by himself) and now Kawa is back in his game. Kawa is cop, sukram dies N1 as miller. Kawa rushes a D1 vote on her guilty as they are 50% mafia but they were miller. She then lynches Bruckjo (confirmed scum if her D1 guilty was miller, and otherwise a safe ML because she innoed last blue). But get this, on the last day she decides to have Leon hammer in the doc CCs, rather than take charge herself. If she's cheating with sukram here I would think she would just take charge herself, especially because as of this point sukram is 3-3 in the round and needs all the wins he can get. It's a free win if Kawa hammers. She doesn't explicitly read between the docs one way or another.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4040590/review

Both are scum in a TEO game, watcher vegs night 1. Completely irrelevant game. Just included for the sake of completeness.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4040593/review

Kawa dies N1. Without any help the framer is lynched because they are confirmed to be scum. Town goes on a piss easy autowin from there with sukram as blue not having to do jack shit.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4040657/review

Kawa dies N1 as blue once again, sukram catches the janitor, who slips and confirms themselves as mafia. He tracks another maf N2 before on D3 reaction testing burton (he tracked dead BG). Burton reacts poorly and gets hammered. This could be cheating as he never said until postgame that it was a reaction test but it's hard to say. I certainly don't think this game in itself is too damning at the least.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4042012/review

Both are blue (actually sukram is miller and gets N1'd). Kawa incorrectly townreads Finnity. But after Giga is lynched as one blue and orc dies while orcing another, the mafia team gets confirmed to her. Therefore her 180 on her read D2 is not indicative in any way of cheating or graveyard vision. She had 2 mafia to her, she wins the arguments against them and subsequently the game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4042054/review

Sukram gets a doc save on Perro, miller. Shadowflux dies N2 as blue, he outs his save for 3 clears in addition to cop. Silhouette gets hammer and hammers the godfather, leaving town in an autowin. Sukram dies N3, no way for this game to get affected even if they are cheating.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043291/review

Personally at this point I definitely think there's outside contact. Not necessarily in the cheating sense but this game was played May 13 at 8 AM while the game before it was played May 12 at 9 PM. That's 11 hours with no games and kawarimi is back again. On to the game itself, he's cop, demands fast self votes and hammers on a miller. Kawarimi dies N2 as the second miller. She finds out scum in the docs and sukram then says something along the lines of that tanny was his doc read D1 hence why he investigated him. I'm not too sure where that read came from but it's definitely fishy. He hammers fake doc, town auto (he had inno on last blue).

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043308/review

Sukram N1'd as miller. Kawa does out a correct fos on Mosaics which she couldn't have gotten through gy vision since it's still D1. Mosaics hammered as nilla. Kawa says that mafia is probably solo and that they went for cop. This is correct and tbh it's a reasonable thought process. However she doesn't out a fos on the final scum and dies N3, but town lynches right the next day anyway.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043322/review

Here's a game that is suggestive of not cheating. Sukram gets hammered N2 as the doc, now he knows mafia through gy vision. On D2 kawa spends the entirety of the game saying bear is almost surely town (he's not) and pushes the whole day on IronGears, who is town. Maybe at this point, with 5 way lylo and no clears, that they decided it wasn't worth saving the game and just decided to lose it. Ok fair enough but the fact of the matter is you really can't do that type of argument. If kawa votes wrong it's track covering, and if kawa votes right it's because they are cheating. See the dilemma here?

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043350/review

Kawa is scum while sukram is town. Cop dies N1. A town suicides very early on D1 before anything interesting happens in the game whatsoever.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043361/review

Here's another game that points strongly towards not cheating. Sukram is cop, hammers miller. On D2 kawarimi/Skillz/dead miller contains at least one scum. Rather than hammering skillz he leads on kawarimi, and the scum gets autowin. If he was cheating this game wouldn't it make far more sense to hammer on skillz? And then ask for mafia once he goes to the graveyard? It just doesn't make sense that they would do track covering at this point in the run. I mean sure he was 13-5 but still, it's early and anything can happen.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4043377/review

Both are scum in this game, they kill cop then doc and win by getting 2 townies lynched. Useless game no matter which way you choose to look at it.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4048333/review

This game comes after 6 or so games of sukram playing by himself. Yet another exonerating game. Kawa is one of the PRs while sukram is mafia. She hands the hammer to her fellow PR D1, who hammers sukram before dying as the oracle and orcing a blue. Kawa mishammers on a blue D2, but then hammers on sukram's partner D3 for a town win. Again I just don't see this much track covering necessary to be performed and the other games up to this point aren't obvious in terms of cheating. The round is still only around halfway through as of now.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4048350/review

Sukram N1'd as miller. Kawarimi townreads Meow (gf) and asks to lynch between shooting/burton (burton is nilla). Burton gets hammered by the cop. On D2 kawa says to lynch shoot over Meow, at this point in the game if she was cheating she would have graveyard vision and know who the scum was. Shoot is lynched, but the cop quick lynches Meow over kawa on lylo. Town wins.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4048367/review

Sukram doc saves YouEnragedMadam (as opposed to kawarimi the cop?) and the town NLs. Blue dies N2, godfather is confirmed on D2 and gets lynched because of it. Sukram dies N3, he doesn't ask for the scum team and kawa mishammers TWICE in a row, despite the second time sukram can see the scum team. Yeah this isn't fucking cheating, the amount of track covering they'd have to be doing would be astonishing. Please use occam's razor here, it's more likely they aren't cheating as opposed to cheating to win half the time and lose half the time (seriously what would that ever accomplish).

https://epicmafia.com/game/4051000/review

Sukram incorrectly reads kawarimi as fake doc this game. However the cop hammers godfather in docs, and then the next day hammers Blacksnakemoan final scum. Admittedly Sukram fosed black from the get go, and kawa never found out the scum team.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4051016/review

Sukram is mafia and kills the doc. Kawarimi gets lynched and doesn't play a strong game here, I will admit. Her reads are totally 180d from the right ones, she foses practically all the town. This game looks like decent evidence of cheating, if you ignore the rest of the games. However you can't just ignore the rest of the games, that's the problem. Viranchee vegs seemingly on accident when mafia had all but won.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4054023/review

Decent stretch of 10 or so games without kawa present but here she is. Kawa is mafia and kills a blue. Sukram gets lynched without seemingly fosing kawarimi or her partner SuperNova. Duperman suicides on the 5 way lylo when mafia was heading towards a win surely. Why didn't sukram have good foses this game if he's cheating with kawa?

https://epicmafia.com/game/4054083/review

Both are towns, Diabolik vegs night 1 and the game unranks, nothing to note.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4054098/review

Both are mafia, they win the game after kawa successfully CC's doc and lynches real one, then sukram wins the hammer in 3 way lylo. This game can't be argued either way just like the last time they were mafia.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4054129/review

Kawa dies N1, sukram, who is doc, gets lynched D1. Town completely shit the bed after that. Neither one was ever in a position to help the other as they were both dead before the gy vision came up, even if they wanted to cheat.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4054164/review

Sukram is maf, kawa cop, sukram hits the doc save 3 times in a row. Kawa has godfather between sukram/pyre (should have lynched between them, instead lynches in reports and hits miller). Pyre gets lynched next day as he's confirmed, then kawa quickly votes BigSean, who is town, over sukram, who is mafia. Yeah this game looks pretty bad too, but if you take 30 something games in a run there's bound to be some games that look this way. It's when a vast majority look this way that should be cause for concern.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4056402/review

Kawarimi wins as mafia against sukram. Let's see how the game went. D1 sukram does fuck all and has no reads, town gets hammered. Orc dies reveals stalker, on D3 he foses kawa as mafia over Dariukas but never explains anything and gets lynched for it. Another game that kinda looks bad but it seems kawa gave an honest effort to win it when they could have lurked as scum to try and get hammered at least. But that's just theoretical and the bottom line is yes sukram fosed right this game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4056419/review

Sukram is cop, gets hammer and lynches the doctor, then dies. He finds out from gy that the scum team is betmen and Freddy. Kawa ends up getting the hammer and hammers THRAAASH, despite sukram having been told the scum by the dead doctor.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4056448/review

Both are town, cop dies and they lynch the painfully obvious nilla. Kawarimi dies and eventually learns bitt is scum. Bitt gets lynched, perhaps this was graveyard vision but bitt played an awful game here as godfather too, so scumreading him wasn't really unreasonable. I think any mediocre town could have won this game even with the cop dead.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4056481/review

Bitt is godfather again plays the same terrible game as last time and gets lynched into town autowin. Kawa and sukram are both town and I don't see anywhere that they fos each other this game, I will admit that. Still godfather lynched town autowin it's as simple as that.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4059013/review

This is near the end of the round. Sukram played 2 games on his own without kawa present. If there's any time to cheat it's now. In this game, shadowflux dies N1, sukram is lynched D1 and has a bad read on the doctor being scum. Town wins this game anyway after lynching right twice in a row with both of them in the graveyard. Like previous games, in this game there's no way that cheating could have helped them here.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4059054/review

Shadowflux dies N1 as blue, miller lynched, sukram dies N2 as blue (before he can use his newly acquired gy vision to cheat) and the town ends up still carrying the game. Same as last game, no way cheating could influence it.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4059087/review

Kawa is cop and has awful reads again. Never foses sukram (except for a weak one mid d1) or pranay. Lynches 2 towns and loses when sukram/pranay are the scum team. This one does look pretty bad if you view it in isolation.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4059108/review

05:29  Sukram
i still wanna win these last two games
05:36  Sukram
coz pyre is gonna be up my arse

So sukram is still trying to win his games, he's not just playing with an insurmountable lead and track covering at this point. Despite this, sukram ends up voting kawarimi over the scum at the end of the D3 3 way lylo. Both were alive as of this point and both were town. If they're cheating, they know the last mafia by poe. And this was a 73 minute game too. Is he really crazy enough to track cover this game by taking 42 minutes on a 3 way lylo in order to lose the game? No that's totally stupid and improbable. Especially given there's been several other instances where cheating would easily result in a sukram win and he loses instead.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4059190/review

Sukram is orc and doesn't fos kawa this game. He lynches miller than nilla before dying. However when he dies he orcs right. If he's cheating, why doesn't he just orc kawa, ask for the scum team, and have kawa hammer right? Because if he orcs wrong outside kawa the game is totally out of their hands.

This was the final game they played this round. Sukram proceeded to finish 2nd and end up less than one game out of 1st. There's clearly no cheating going on, and it's a damn shame that whoever made the original pastebin decided to cherry pick all the games just because he has an apparent personal vendetta against someone new coming in and winning a trophy. That's all I have to say on this matter. This has taken me 2 hours, much too long.

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