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<cuuprum> helooo~
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<Hyginos> use-tdm-2406
<Hyginos> avg mmr: 50
<Predobear> how xD
<cuuprum> lol
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<Hyginos> I think there are some issues with the system. Amid apparently had his mmr reset to 16 or something.
<Predobear> over a minute, impressive
<Hyginos> also, poor dave has 200 mmr now.
<Predobear> he'll probably farm that back within a week
<Hyginos> I suppose I should say: poor people who will now suffer dave's wrath on the way back up.
<Predobear> reminds me of the first day of predobear
<Predobear> I got called a cheater for locking on with hellfires
<Hyginos> I've actually only ever been hackused twice. Only once on an alt.
<Predobear> then you didn't try hard enough
<Hyginos> I guess.
<Hyginos> the one on the alt was just during the everyone-is-recruit thing to. it was kinda funny.
<Predobear> recruits are suprisingly effective mechs
<Hyginos> I remember exactly his wording to: "god knows who in in and auto aim CRT"
<gabrielpato2> my mmr is now 98
<gabrielpato2> and im back to level 10 :/
<Hyginos> seems to be going around.
<gabrielpato2> i also lost my multikeys count
<Hyginos> I'm afraid to log in now in fear that I'll get reset :(
<gabrielpato2> multikills*
<gabrielpato2> lol
<gabrielpato2> seems that players that logged in about 12 hours ago lost their level
<Predobear> as long as the items don't get reset
<Hyginos> I'll have to check with a few alts to see if it's back in working order.
<Predobear> good idea, time to summon herbert
<gabrielpato2> I'm still using the lvl30 internals that were on my mechs, but if i remove it, i can't put it back..
<Hyginos> oh hey, now is the time to get on that lowest-mmr-possible acct.
<Hyginos> gabrielpato2 did you at least retain all your MC and HC?
<Kindos7> My PI mmr now looks real
<gabrielpato2> yep, my mc/hc didn't change
<Hyginos> I wonder wtf is going on with hawken.
<Kindos7> It's the upcoming huge UPDATE!
-*- Hyginos sobs
<Kindos7> what's wrong Hyginos don't you like updates?
<Hyginos> Playest not mine heartstrings! I know thou art false!
<Kindos7> you wat
<Hyginos> Ignorant of the high arts are you? Typical Neronian pleebian.
-*- shosca pokes
<Kindos7> Ya mas malxen yemen arid ne ICE Beam, Shyginos.
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<shosca> TIL the brain consumes double the oxygen while processing vision in the dark
<Predobear> sounds like a load of horseshit
<Hyginos> horseshit is silent.
<shosca> https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2u3oum/does_the_human_eye_have_a_quantifiable_image/co50bix
<Laila> Title: BrosenkranzKeef comments on Does the human eye have a quantifiable image resolution? (at www.reddit.com)
<Predobear> so is oxygen consumption by the brain
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<Saturnine> I'm going to want more evidence on that than some duder on reddit said so
<Duplexstargate> hi guys
<Saturnine> Hello
<Saturnine> Also, I live at over 5000 feet. I don't start losing consciousness walking around my house at night
<Coolgastj> Hey S9 what's this about?
<Hyginos> is your path pitch black?
<Saturnine> Night hiking to 9000 feet produced a similar result: I remained conscious
<Saturnine> Shosca linked this: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2u3oum/does_the_human_eye_have_a_quantifiable_image/co50bix
<Laila> Title: BrosenkranzKeef comments on Does the human eye have a quantifiable image resolution? (at www.reddit.com)
<Saturnine> I generally keep all my lights off in my house even while wandering around for stuff. My spatial awareness is usually good enough
<Hyginos> "a person can experience symptoms of hypoxia" != you will pass out.
<Coolgastj> I don't use more oxigen when I look at night
<Saturnine> I also don't start seeing lights dancing in my vision. :P
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<Coolgastj> oxygen*
<Coolgastj> Me neither
<Kindos7> Let's do a scientifical research.
<Kindos7> Coolgastj, hold your breath.
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<Coolgastj> Alright
<Kindos7> Tell me when you die.
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<Hyginos> brilliant.
<StarCrush> any German GM's ?
<Coolgastj> That's gonna be difficult
<shosca> Saturnine: what you say is anectodal evidence and i reject it :)
<Saturnine> Oh noooo
<StarCrush> or any GM's?
<Kindos7> Don't question the research.
<Kindos7> FOR SCIENCE!
<Coolgastj> Kindos you're no scientist
<Coolgastj> You're a murderer
<Hyginos> shosca: you are anecdotal and I reject you.
<Kindos7> That's irrelevant for this study.
<shosca> Hyginos: nobody asked your opinoin
<Saturnine> Let me go pet my  myhypoxic dogs to assuage my poor scientific rigor and call an ambulance to the emts who are all hallucinating from lack of oxygen in order to save my family who decided to do a jog around the neighborhood at night! D:
<Coolgastj> Then you are irrelevant to this study too Kindos7
<Saturnine> StarCrush: ReEvolve is german
<Saturnine> but none of us are game masters
<Saturnine> We are masters of the game though. ;D
<Kindos7> You are irrelevant, that's why you are the subject of the experiment.
<Saturnine> Unfortunately I don't think ReEvolve is on right now. :(
<StarCrush> i cant play the game
<Saturnine> Can't log in?
<StarCrush> yes
<Saturnine> Do you have a new account, or are have you played longer?
<StarCrush> longer
<StarCrush> but long time paused
<StarCrush> sry bad english
<Coolgastj> Kindos7 if you are irrelevant then so are your statements
<Saturnine> beep Ashfire908
<StarCrush> Ashfire is AFK
<Duplexstargate> Does anyone know how long it takes to received the e-mail for the activation? Since two days I try...
<Saturnine> StarCrush: Try and make sure you type in your email address with the correct capitalization
<StarCrush> i tryed all
<Saturnine> Duplexstargate: The email system is broken; but you don't need an email to play on your account.
<StarCrush> can i use Alias too?
<Saturnine> I know a lot of people have had trouble logging in because they were logging in with an email that was using a different capitalization than how they signed up
<Duplexstargate> thanks Saturnine :)
<Saturnine> This shouldn't normally be the case, but lately something broke and it's reading emails while sensitive to capitalization
<Saturnine> Duplexstargate: No problem
<shosca> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTOODPf-iuc
<Laila> Title: YOU LIVE IN THE PAST - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
<Saturnine> Coolgastj: You're belgian, shouldn't you speak english, danish, french, and german natively?! D:<
<StarCrush> Saturnine can you german?
<Saturnine> No. :(
<StarCrush> damn
<Saturnine> I can speak chinese though
<Kindos7> do you even german
<Duplexstargate> @starCrush, du kannst mir mir deutsch sprechen :)
<StarCrush> ah
<Saturnine> 不过，不会说德语。
<Hyginos> bro do you even special character?
<StarCrush> kansnt du mir das übersetzten? xD
<Coolgastj> Saturnine Flemish (NOT Dutch), english and french natively
<Saturnine> Woops, I apologize
<Coolgastj> German and spanish secondary
<Saturnine> Oh spanish, too? Fancy
<Coolgastj> And well Danish I don't speeak at all
<Saturnine> That was TERRIBLE comma placement and I apologize for that.
<Coolgastj> Flemish and Dutch are like American and English it's terrible
<Saturnine> haha
<Kindos7> ban Saturnine pls, reason: comma
<Hyginos> !blame
<Laila> <Saturnine> Yes, I deserve the blame.
<Coolgastj> If someone tells you Saturnine: hey you sound british
<Saturnine> Isn't frissian right in between danish and english?
<Coolgastj> Then you say no i'm american
<Coolgastj> The same here
<Saturnine> huh
<Coolgastj> If someone says: so you speak dutch?
<Saturnine> A lot of people in China were convinced I was British.
<Coolgastj> I say no it's flemish
<Hyginos> !quotegrabs random
<Laila> <RayChaos> oh,I cant quote myself
<Coolgastj> So yeah a little background information: Belgium has 3 native languages being Flemish, French (Belgian French is also known as Walloon) and a little bit of German
-*- shosca slaps Hyginos around a bit with a large trout
-*- Kindos7 slaps shosca in the face
<Coolgastj> And in general people here speak English reasonably well
<shosca> why do you have to but in to everything Kindos7 ?
<shosca> butt*
<Kindos7> That was a warning slap
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<shosca> noone cares Kindos7
<Hyginos> hey amid, you want to party later so we can get your mmr back to a reasonable value?
<Kindos7> I don't care if you don't care, shosca
<Amid> Do you have a real MMR still?
<Predobear> nah, Hyginos only has scrubmr
<shosca> fake your mmr till you you make your mmr
<Hyginos> I'm pretty sure.
<Amid> No _I_ have a fake MMR. 326
<Amid> Then we can't party :/
<Hyginos> assuming i don't get wiped when I log in.
<Predobear> also someone immediately knew who I was while using an alt I haven't used in a year
<Predobear> based on my playstyle
<Amid> Matchmaker shits itself and can't find games
<Hyginos> I thought the party didn't care about mmr...
<Predobear> it does
<Predobear> I think
<Amid> No, it averages or something
<shosca> Amid: can you quick match in?
<Hyginos> yeah, but if it averages 2100 and 300 you may be able to get in a match.
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<Predobear> so you need a lot of high mmr to compensate for his low
<Amid> No, at school
<Amid> No see thats the thing
<Amid> We tried with Merl last night
<Hyginos> oh damn.
<Amid> Hawken straight up said, no valid matches available.
<Hyginos> the good news is lots of other players got wiped.
<Amid> Yeah
<Amid> Like Dave >_<
<Hyginos> lol
<Predobear> the ultra low mmr elite
<Hyginos> that's gonna be a long climb from 200 to 2800.
<Amid> Ehn
<Amid> I was gaining up to 80 a game
<shosca> probably will take a week or two
<Kindos7> mmr may never be the same now
<Amid> So less than you'd think
<Amid> What surprised the hell out of me was how no one down here was angry about me stomping them
<Predobear> wat
<Hyginos> It's a shame the fightclubs and private servers are down.
<Amid> They were all "I'll never get better unless I play better people"
<Predobear> so no more CA playground? :'(
<Coolgastj> Wait are the MMRs wiped or what are you guys talking about?
<Amid> I need conscripted like 20 people into the B-Team
<Amid> Coolgastj, for some people yeah
<Hyginos> I saw smash got wiped as well.
<Amid> Check my herokuapp, or Dave's
<Kindos7> that's fake fake mmr
<Kindos7> for real fake mmr, check mine
<Amid> Yeah, he's gonna be pissed
<Amid> No Kindos7
<Kindos7> Yes
<Amid> Yours is EXPERTLY CRAFTED
<Amid> Not fake
<Kindos7> THAT'S WHAT REAL FAKE MEANS
<Kindos7> FAKE FAKE MEANS REAL BECAUSE IT ISN'T REALLY FAKE BUT BUGGED
<Amid> YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP DEFINITIONS MY GOD MAN
<Kindos7> I JUST DID
<Amid> WELL THEN ILL MAKE UP MY OWN
<Amid> SO THERE
<Kindos7> go date a lion
<Amid> Fun fact, if TAW Hawken goes under im making a TS3 server and calling it Lion Dating Services
-*- Hyginos defines 'date a lion' as a slang term meaning to have a good life.
<Hyginos> amid realz?
<Amid> Unless Whitedragon can actually get his hosting issues sorted
<Coolgastj> Amid how did that MMR reset happen?
<Hyginos> cuz vR no longer has a hawken channel and TANG has unofficially withdrawn as well.
<shosca> setup a free tier aws mumble server, its pretty easy
<Amid> Fuck Mumble
<shosca> or use ts3 but you'll need licenses
<Amid> Augh, really? Hell, was going to use vR in the interim
<shosca> y the mumble h8?
<Amid> Nah I'd just rent a 25 man server
<Hyginos> If you go hang around there I'm sure no one will mind.
<Amid> Like $15 a month
<Amid> Im sure its better now, but i tried it when it was in early development and it was terrible
<Amid> And after months of shit getting worse, i said screw it
<Hyginos> mumble? I've never had issues with it.
<Amid> Like I said, probably better now, but you're going to have to pry my hate from my cold, dead hands
<Hyginos> just watch me.
<shosca> heh http://guildbit.com/
<Laila> Title: Free Mumble Server Hosting — GuildBit.com (at guildbit.com)
<Hyginos> I had planned on setting up a mumble when I get the hardware for a toxikk server.
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<Amid> Huh. Cool service
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<shosca> yea, prolly using aws too
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<cuuprum> anyone disconnected from hawken?
<Hyginos> I can't check right now unfortunately.
<Amid> If you can't login, check that youre email is in all lowercase and just keep trying
<cuuprum> i just connect
<cuuprum> thanks all :)
<Amid> It is vaguely satisfying that everyone seems to be suffering from problems ive had since steam
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<Amid> Np!
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<shosca> Hawken, the land of despair and hopelessness
<Kindos7> *Herken
<cuuprum> hoho but still fun
<fragnarok1968> dispair as one day soon there will be no more hawken
<Hyginos> Honestly the death of Hawken is less saddening to me than the thought that I will never know why it died.
<Hyginos> I really just want to know what caused the devs to randomly go dark.
<Amid> Ditto
<Amid> No wait
<Kindos7> Ditto killed hawken devs confirmed.
<shosca> you guys seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Hawken/comments/2t3zqi/heavy_gear_assault_announces_its_first_sponsored/cnw9eej
<Laila> Title: Werewolf486 comments on Heavy Gear Assault announces it's first sponsored Tournament! (at www.reddit.com)
<Amid> Still want Hawken
<Amid> Yeah, was thinking of going there, but i don't want to spread myself too thin
<Hyginos> He has no links or anything.
<Hyginos> citation needed.
<Hyginos> I do agree that that's probably the reason why everything is dark over there, but we can only speculate legal action, not confirm it.
<Amid> Oh the comments? Yeah I stopped responding because he's a blind fanatic
<fragnarok1968> I emailed a couple of the devs and got no response so I am assuming legal also
<Amid> Yeah its a gag order
<opicron_> has the nda been lifted already?
<opicron_> trololol
<Amid> Lol
<Hyginos> I mean, it's obviously and NDA, but the mere fact that there is an NDA sparks my curiosity as to why there is an NDA.
<Amid> Its not an NDA
<shosca> yea
<Amid> You can't make former employees sign an NDA
<shosca> if its a lawsuit, its not an nda
<Amid> its a gag order from the California legislature
<Coolgastj> Then what is it? A lawsuit doesn't really sound a reason to stop development
<Hyginos> uh yeah it does.
<Amid> It does if its about ownership
<Hyginos> lawsuits are expensive as well.
<opicron_> but in that comment, only one line appeals to hawken no?
<Hyginos> can't pay employees and laywers at the same time without deep pockets.
<opicron_> the rest are all other games
<Amid> Leading theory is that its an issue between publishers and devs
<opicron_> *alinea
<Amid> But no evidence
<Coolgastj> I understand a lawsuit is expensive but how would you explain Meteor shutting down and ADH just having nothing to say
<opicron_> okay too bad shit came between pasionate devs and releasing a good game
<Hyginos> lawsuits come with gag orders.
<opicron_> and SC, gsus they are aiming freaking high with their engine-- the pax details are just crazy
<Amid> Not necessarily, but when talking about it may affect the outcome
<Coolgastj> The one thing is: what makes that lawsuit so special that there needs to be gag orders
<Hyginos> that's what I want to know.
<opicron_> yea, the rumour mill will continue with or without gags
<opicron_> gags are usually to prevent damage/influence.. but that is a long way off here
<Amid> It could be over ownership and value: 1 party is trying to sell
<Amid> Bad press tanks the price
<Amid> No press due to a gag order is neither party's fault
<Coolgastj> Wait that doesn't make sense amid
<shosca> the incin ability: i.imgur.com/eN514xh.gif
<Coolgastj> If business goes well, it sells quickly
<Coolgastj> If business goes bad, it doesn't sell at all
<opicron_> schosca, where can we buy that upgrade? :P
<Coolgastj> Meaning that Hawken HAD to be doing poorly already before trying to sell it
<Coolgastj> In other words, why did it start going poorly in the first place?
<shosca> i thought they were in the red
<opicron_> its a niche game, niche public likes it-- was always hard for hawken imo
<Amid> None of that has anything to do with selling or a gag order?
<Amid> Hawken is backed by venture capital - a sale was inevitable
<Coolgastj> The only reason why selling wouldn't be going well is because the game was decreasing in popularity
<opicron_> most venture capital leads to short term viability anyway
<Coolgastj> In which case any profit they make would also decrease
<Amid> What matters is how much it goes for and the direction the new company would be taking it
<Coolgastj> Yes, but if Hawken didn't get sold because of the bad state of the game
<opicron_> maybe gearbox can revive it, they´re doing a lot of classic revamps/mastering-- must have time in abundance
<Coolgastj> Then how did it get there in the first place?
<opicron_> in hindsight we can all have an opinion on that
<Coolgastj> Cause Amid is saying, business was going bad because they couldn't get it sold, but things didn't get sold because business was bad
<opicron_> in wonder how many copies they sold on steam
<Coolgastj> Do you understand what I'm saying?
<Amid> Thats not what im saying at all?
<shosca> Coolgastj: the thing is they were never in the black since the beginning
<Coolgastj> Alright Amid please elaborate
<Coolgastj> I wanna know what you're trying to say
<opicron_> i find it hard to fap to this discussion, but ill try anyway
<Amid> My initial point was that you out a gag order in place because you don't want proceedings and bidding being influenced by devs talking positively or negatively
<Hyginos> putting in the effort opicron_. good on you.
<opicron_> Hyginos ^^
-*- Kindos7 freezes opicron_ with the ICE Beam
<Amid> Or if this is a civil case, confidentiality
<opicron_> _sigh_
<shosca> opicron_ has the fap order....
-*- shosca runs
<opicron_> dont i look like a fool, iced with my dick out
<opicron_> what if mom comes in
<Amid> #scandinavianporn
<opicron_> unfreeze me now i tell you
<Kindos7> you looking like a fool was previous to that
<opicron_> sharp, with a touch of old hurt
<opicron_> i like you
-*- Hyginos unfreezes opicron_
<Kindos7> Saying that to me with your penis out is creepy
<Coolgastj> Alright so: lawsuit --> gag orders to avoid bad press --> company in red -->  firing employees --> NDA?
<opicron_> thanks ;)
<Amid> There was never an NDA
<Coolgastj> That's why there's an explenation mark
<Coolgastj> I mean
<shosca> law suit -> put hold on assets and gag
<opicron_> and the gag order is a fact?
<Coolgastj> Question mark
<Hyginos> a gag order is highly probably based on available evidence.
<Amid> The NDA was speculating that was disproved as soon as we heard previous employees couldn't talk either
<opicron_> more like a default part of the suit
<shosca> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_order
<Laila> Title: Gag order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
<Amid> And technically no one was fired
<Poopslinger> freedom of information
<Coolgastj> So we assume the company did go in the red because of the lawsuit?
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<Hyginos> with that in mind, its possible the forums may be down simply to prevent errant research by potential buyers.
<shosca> Coolgastj: it was always in the RED
<Ashfire908> Ndas can last after employment ends
<Poopslinger> can't we do a freedom of information act request from the courts?
<Coolgastj> shosca WHAT?
<Hyginos> aint nobody got time for that.
<Coolgastj> I thought they got millions
<Ashfire908> Mine lasts for a couple years
<shosca> in the red = not making monies
<Poopslinger> i've seen it on tv
<opicron_> nda can last way after employment end
<Amid> But they can't be applied retroactively
<opicron_> fair enough
<Poopslinger> we can ask the NSA to give us records from their emeils
<Coolgastj> I'm not an idiot shosca I know what in the red means, but how can a company just go in the red 2 years after they made millions?
<Ashfire908> I don't see why they wouldn't have a general nda in place
<opicron_> millions evaporate quickly tbh
<shosca> that was inverstors money dude
<Amid> FOI requests do not apply to active lawsuits, at least in Canada
<Hyginos> they didn't make millions. they started with millions.
<shosca> cash injection
<opicron_> our company, turnover easily 5 million, net result below one million
<opicron_> way .. below :(O
<shosca> "In the United States, a court can order parties to a case not to comment on it but has no authority to stop unrelated reporters from reporting on a case."
<Coolgastj> Yeah but they could'ce seen that coming, I mean that's what a business plan and financial plan is for
<Amid> Yeah and blew a shitton of it on craps like T.V. and a card game and comics
<Hyginos> I would imagine multi million dollar turn over is less common for dev teams of like a dozen people...
<Coolgastj> And the game was still doing well and selling MC because before the updates ended the game was still in full swing
<opicron_> Hyginos: and that
<Amid> Hence another reason for a lawsuit
<Amid> "Doing well"
<Coolgastj> Well yeah meaning that they made money
<shosca> but not enough
<Amid> ^
<shosca> they were not making any profit
<Coolgastj> Cause there's no real reason to continue a business if you're not making profit in the first place
<shosca> bleeding money
<Coolgastj> That's why early acces and kick starter business models are stupid
<Amid> False
<opicron_> stupid.. goes a bit too far
<shosca> star citizen disagrees with that
<opicron_> risky is a better word i guess
<opicron_> and even SC can fail miserablu
<Coolgastj> They get the money first and then start developing, but if they don't continue to make enough money then Hawken happens
<Amid> The vast majority of businesses do not make money in their early period
<Coolgastj> Even though you can see it coming by  a long shot
<Coolgastj> The company can't stop developing the game even while having losses
<Amid> The reason most fail is undercapitalizing
<Amid> So they can't get through that early dry spell
<Coolgastj> Because they promised the people to make a game with the money they made
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<Amid> What happened in Hawken was a massive misapplication of capital
<Amid> Imo
<Coolgastj> Agreed
<opicron_> didnt know about the side-shit they did tbh
<shosca> what happened to hawken was mtr
<Amid> Also, lets be clear: they didn't promise the people anything
<Coolgastj> Meteor was made for Hawken wasn't it?
<Coolgastj> That's why it was a bad idea
<Amid> They promised the investors a syllable product
<Coolgastj> It was no major publisher
<shosca> mtr was supposed to compete with steam
<opicron_> i thought that was nexon
-*- Predobear holds back laughter
<opicron_> with their perfect launcher
<FomaDima> more than a week waiting when you repair the registration. letter does not come with a confirmation (email)
<opicron_> bleh
<Amid> You don't need a reg letter
<Amid> Just play with the email you register ed with
<Coolgastj> Amid, by having a game available for early acces you ask people for money for an unfinished game and therefor they promise the players a finished game
<Coolgastj> That's just my opinion
<Predobear> and "you repair the registration", none here works for Meteor or Adhesive
<Coolgastj> And also many other factors have to be taken into consideration for a F2P title
<phoneslinger> My new boss was placed at the computer next to me,  cant be on irc anymore
<Predobear> aww
<opicron_> ouchies, get got a tap on you
<opicron_> they got*
<Amid> Yeah, but thats a misheld view of consumers
<Predobear> opicron_ are you drunk?
<opicron_> tired :(
<Amid> Its good practice, don't get me wrong
<Coolgastj> Amid shouldn't take the company take that misheld view into account?
<opicron_> Predobear, stupid thing is, im really confident i spell and write correct.. and then i read the result.. dang
<Amid> But there's no obligation to deliver to anyone they don't have a legal contracts with
<FomaDima> Well, the game does not start until the confirmation mail (dont login)
<Amid> Like i said, good practice
<Hyginos> FomaDima: you do not need the email to login.
<Hyginos> at least you shouldn't
<Predobear> you just need to enter your email and password, then log in
<Amid> Just use the email and password you submitted
<Coolgastj> Pretty much a business model like that is a money grab from people who want a game made without obligation to any consumer Amid?
<Amid> When you put it like that, it sounds negative
<Amid> On the other hand, that is exactly how Valve for example, operates
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<Coolgastj> I do feel negative about it
<Coolgastj> Due to not enough restrictions
<Amid> Don't get me wrong, a product should hit the market
<Amid> Otherwise you don't make money
<Amid> But there is absolutely no obligation to a consumer - its just a good idea
<Coolgastj> I think they should at least do proper research to develop a reasonable financial model for the game and put that in front of steam
<Coolgastj> Before Steam allows it on their store
<Coolgastj> Otherwise, yeah I do feel like it's a money grab without obligations Amid and I do feel kinda negative about it
<Amid> Ahahahahah yeah no, Steam does not give a shit about your financial model
<Amid> They want your entry price and 30% of your profit
<Coolgastj> But Steam does give a shit about their consumers
<Amid> Thats it
<opicron_> half assed indy games overflow steam
<Coolgastj> And their consumers give about their money and thus are interested in the financial model
<opicron_> they should play the damn games
<Amid> Not really?
<opicron_> i mean, steam should have standards for release
<Amid> Most consumers just want a product
<Coolgastj> I mean if I invest in an early acces title or take part in a kick starter
<Coolgastj> I want proof it will become something
<Coolgastj> Otherwise it's just lost money
<phoneslinger> Hawken was free though
<Amid> That's fair
<Coolgastj> I'm talking about MC
<Coolgastj> At this point
<opicron_> well-- then public funding is not for you, but current state of many tripple a games are lacking too
<opicron_> ah
<Amid> And that's the thing about early access and kickstarter
<phoneslinger> I put 20 in last may, after 300hrs playing
<Amid> There is absolutely no guarantee
<Amid> Period.
<opicron_> nope, true
<Coolgastj> And that's why I feel like business models like tese should change
<Amid> It is inherent in the model
<opicron_> thats the risk-- but i contributed to a dozen kickstarter games already
<Coolgastj> They can exist and I'm fine with that
<Amid> It sucks, but otherwise you dontbhave the model
<opicron_> most of them have been delayed more than a year ;)
<Coolgastj> But they need to make that part clear
<Amid> It is
<Amid> NO ONE READS THE FINE PRINT
<opicron_> thats not strange, the print is too damn small
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<Amid> Its all over kickstarter
<Coolgastj> Well that was it for my rant
<Amid> And right there in every early access game
<Amid> No one cares to read, they just like or dislike an idea
<Amid> That's what you buy into in KS and Early Acces
<Amid> Ideas.
<Amid> That's it.
<Deathtrip2k> Just decided to try this game out again, but is it dead? There have not been any update for a long time afaik, and the forums are down?
<opicron_> forums are down?!
<Deathtrip2k> "Community Not Available"
<Amid> ! Happening
<opicron_> yap, you are right ;)
<Laila> The email services are offline since mid December. The customer support page is offline since late December. The websites of the developers and their publisher are offline since the beginning of this year. The playhawken.com forums are offline since mid December. The last game update was in June. There were no news from the devs since July/August.
<Deathtrip2k> k
<Amid> Game still runs, is still fun
<Amid> Just... maybe don't spend money on it
<Hyginos> ^
<Hyginos> Not growing, but refusing to die in spite of itself.
<opicron_> sounds like the part i use for thinking
<Amid> Your dick? Yeah its frozen
<opicron_> hyginos! your unfreeze ray is still in beta?
-*- Kindos7 freezes Hyginos with the ICE Beam
<opicron_> im beginning to think its a script
<opicron_> kid ^^
<Kindos7> Unlike you, I don't need scripts
<Kindos7> Aimbot haxxer
<opicron_> never, only swaxx
<Kindos7> don't care how you call it, still hax
<opicron_> low ping + 120fps is no hax
<Kindos7> aimbot is
<opicron_> just a small advantage
<opicron_> yes, if one uses that
<Hyginos> my unfreeze ray is in early access.
<Kindos7> I've never seen you reloading either
<opicron_> hhaha ^^
<Kindos7> infinite ammo hax
<phoneslinger> Is apacer reallu good in EU servers?
<opicron_> actually after some other games, i tried to reload in hwk
<Amid> Yup
<Kindos7> just because you forgot you got the hax on
<opicron_> wish i could show you the swax
<gabrielpato2_> http://steamcharts.com/app/271290#1y
<Laila> Title: HAWKEN - Steam Charts (at steamcharts.com)
<Kindos7> don't pretend opi, it has been recorded
<opicron_> rly? i´d like to see that
<phoneslinger> I thought he was hacking for a minute when he was sniping my scout with 200ping
<Kindos7> forums are down sadly
<opicron_> story of my life tbh
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<shosca> http://tools.ashfire908.com/hwkcharts/
<Laila> Title: Hawken Stats (at tools.ashfire908.com)
<opicron_> wow, small gain last 30 days
<shosca> yea
<shosca> gabrielpato2_: ^
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<gabrielpato2_> shosca: wow, cool :)
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<Hyginos> population has stabilized for now.
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<phoneslinger> Hyginos, how do i do gooder in toxikk?
<Hyginos> get the shotgun and click on people.
<Saturnine> Click mans
<Hyginos> the secondary fire on the BullCraft does roughly a bajillion damage up close.
<Hyginos> if you have all the armor and health on the map it brings you down to 70hp.
<Hyginos> I'm actually shit at toxikk tho.
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<Devilbag> I can't login in the game Meteor server is unreachebl
<ReEvolve> Devilbag: people have been reporting login problems all day.
<shosca> !happening
<Laila> The email services are offline since mid December. The customer support page is offline since late December. The websites of the developers and their publisher are offline since the beginning of this year. The playhawken.com forums are offline since mid December. The last game update was in June. There were no news from the devs since July/August.
<ReEvolve> either way make sure that your anti-virus program isn't blocking Hawken
<Hyginos> It seems most get in after trying a few times.
<ReEvolve> shosca, that isn't relevant to this question
-*- ReEvolve sighs
-*- Hyginos doges
<Devilbag> :3
<Ashfire908> Also check firewall
<Devilbag> why this is happening :'(
<Devilbag> All redy did
<ReEvolve> shosca: pleas don't go around using that command at every possibility. try to think about wether it is relevant to the discussion or not. -,-
<Devilbag> :3
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<Hyginos> colon three
<shosca> :7
<ReEvolve> :8
<Devilbag> :3
<Hyginos> :9
<shosca> :9
<Devilbag> we cant play :(
<shosca> :9003
<Kindos7> WE HAVE A WINNER!
<ReEvolve> 9003 is the magical number
<Hyginos> devilbag, have you tried with a different account?
<shosca> "its over nine thousandd"
<Kindos7> It's MY magical number
<ReEvolve> Devilbag: some people were able to login after trying it a bunch of times
<Kindos7> search for your own
<Hyginos> its roughly nine thousand!
<ReEvolve> Kindos7: actually it's Defter's magical number
<Kindos7> No it's not
<ReEvolve> yup
<Kindos7> look it up
<shosca> HA! SUCKIT KINDOS!!11
<ReEvolve> ^
<Kindos7> IT'S NOT!
<Rionquosue> So this login issue thingie isn't isolated?
<ReEvolve> muahahahaha :D
<ReEvolve> Rionquosue: people have been reporting login problems all day.
<shosca> its been happening to some people
<Kindos7> Why would I care what MeanEvolve and the drug dealer thinks
<Rionquosue> Well I couldn't login yesterday but today I can login, but magically I'm a level 8
<shosca> i'm a drug merchant
<shosca> not a dealer
<Kindos7> false
<shosca> i don't deal
<Hyginos> Rionquosue: what lvl were you before
<shosca> i merch
<Rionquosue> 30
<Kindos7> no you deal
<Hyginos> oh dear. people are still getting reset.
<ReEvolve> Rionquosue: well, that's also happening to most/all players
<shosca> ban Kindos7 pls, reason: peasantry
<Rionquosue> It's weird because i still have everything unlocked
<Hyginos> I had better leave my main untouched if I want to get to 2400...
<Kindos7> ban shosca pls, no reason needed
<Hyginos> ban Kindos7 pls. Reason: Kindos7.
<Kindos7> Hyginos Hyginos pls, reason: Shyginos
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<Ginoshy> lol I ran into epicfriedpancakes again yesterday. Still obnoxious as ever.
<Kindos7> so if I log in I get rebooted?
<shosca> magicalpancakes?
<Rionquosue> I guess that's what happens.
<ReEvolve> Kindos7: it probably is not tied to logging in
<ReEvolve> so your account might already be fucked
<Rionquosue> It just reset me to the amount of global exp I had
<Kindos7> how to checked without logging in?
<Kindos7> must be a way
<gabrielpato2_> try checking your lvl on hawken.herokuapp.com
<shosca> oh goodie, everyone start your smurfs
<Saturnine> Re: I haven't logged in and my stuff is still normal
<Kindos7> I'm still lvl 30
<ReEvolve> well, maybe it doesn't affect everyone? no idea
<ReEvolve> if you want to be 100% sure then use a smurf
<Kindos7> I'll log in and if I get rebooted, I murder ReEvolve
<Kindos7> deal?
<ReEvolve> pff, idc about your account, scub
<Kindos7> but I do
<ReEvolve> but I don't
<Kindos7> but you will
<ReEvolve> but I won't
<shosca> ban Kindos7 pls, reason: scrubery
<Kindos7> yes you will if something bad happens
<ReEvolve> shosca: ok
<shosca> here comes the hammer of the ban kind
<ReEvolve> Kindos7: if I could I would've deleted your account just now
<Kindos7> if I could I would have deleted you from this universe
<opicron_> i can already hear the thumping sound echoing in the room
<ReEvolve> anyway, sure, log in, I hope your account gets fucked up :D
<shosca> just now? i would've done it yesterday
<wirehack7> i like cats
<wirehack7> !
<ReEvolve> cats...
<Deaod> I like trains.
<ReEvolve> ew
<Deaod> *WROOOOOOOOOOM*
<Kindos7> why you always so mean?
<ReEvolve> Deaod: no, trains go CHU-CHU
<opicron_> lol
<Deaod> thats the old ones running on steam
<Deaod> the ones running on origin are MUCH better.
<opicron_> electrical ones go, bzzzzzzzz
<ReEvolve> meh
<Deaod> hm, sorry
<Deaod> bad joke
<Deaod> you should go by train more often, ReEvolve
<opicron_> ohh too soon
<ReEvolve> I don't like trains
<Deaod> well
<ReEvolve> driving a car is much better :/
<Deaod> sucks to be you, i guess. Trains are AWESOME.
<ReEvolve> pff
<ReEvolve> yeah, being trapped with all of these random freaks of nature in a train car sure is awesome
<Deaod> i can either spend 40 minutes sitting in my car, or i can sit for about the same time in busses and trains
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<Icedos7> My account didn't get destroyed
<Icedos7> I'll let you live for now, ReEveil
<opicron_> that is good
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<Amid> Alright, I got my American Mountain Dew and Greasy-Ass Indian Food
<Amid> As soon as my belly is full, it will be time to begin the Genocide of the Fake MMR
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<Ginoshy> you should stream it for gits and shiggles.
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<Amid> i thought about that on the way home
<Amid> But noobs will be casualties in this war of extermination, and showing their suffering would be rude and offensive
<Ginoshy> Every time you kill some one, state exactly why you were able to do so.
<Ginoshy> it will be a learning tool.
<opicron_> it might even be the last relic of the hwk age
<Ginoshy> Although, this might mean that my lowest mmr possible acct is a feasible pursuit now.
<Ginoshy> I had trouble getting it below 1300.
<Amid> Yeah i'm at 326 right now
<Ginoshy> that was quick
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<Saturnine> You can presently get alien isolation for 20 dollars on greenmangaming  if you add the 20% off coupon
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<Amid> alright
<Amid> gonna try this streaming nonsense
<ThirdEyE> has your mmr ever been this low? http://hawken.herokuapp.com/user/thirdeye
<Amid> no idea if it'll work
<shosca> uh oh 500: Internal Error
<Amid> ahahahaha
<shosca> needs moar null check
<Amid> so low you crashed the service
<shosca> more like no such user exists
<shosca> you don't exist anymore ThirdEyE
<ThirdEyE> that hurts bro
<Ashfire908> you have no stats
<Ashfire908> like
<Ashfire908> it's gone
<ThirdEyE> lol
<ThirdEyE> i beat hawken!
<shosca> this is the ghost of ThirdEyE talkin'
<ThirdEyE> only took 2 years
<shosca> so what is the achievement for this?
<shosca> did you get any bomus mc/hc?
<ThirdEyE> rofl
<ThirdEyE> back to level 1!
<shosca> lol
<ThirdEyE> although my mech stats still exist
<Ashfire908> ThirdEyE, when was the last time you played
<ThirdEyE> uhh
<shosca> git gud scrub!! #getonmylevel
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<shosca> which is lvl30
<ThirdEyE> maybe 10-12 days ago?
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<Ashfire908> Has anyone gotten reset twice?
<ThirdEyE> http://i.imgur.com/MjvqXfI.jpg
<ThirdEyE> beautiful
<Ginoshy> oh dear.
<gabrielpato2_> omg
<ThirdEyE> "beta"
<shosca> hahah
<Ashfire908> yay
<Ashfire908> scrimbot didn't explode
<shosca> herken backend has gome mad
<Ginoshy> I wonder if they just reset everything and we don't know till we sync acct on log in.
<Ashfire908> Shadeness, my app has better error handling than yours!
<ThirdEyE> hopefully its just me
<Kindos7> nope
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<Kindos7> I synced before and didn't dissapear
<Ginoshy> yeah but you're mmr is irrational anyway.
<Kindos7> that's hardcoded only in the heroku app
<ThirdEyE> omg turdeye got nuked too
<Amid> twitch.tv/PilotAmidatelion yay its working
<ThirdEyE> at least towl still exists ^_^
<Ginoshy> amid as long as you're down there you should play turkey.
<gabrielpato2_> http://i.imgur.com/LzzErQz.jpg  i'm still alive. lvl 11 with a beautiful mmr
<Amid> gonna play EOC Raider
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<shosca> yes! #EOCBattleTurkeyJrMasterRace
<Ginoshy> ^
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<Deaod> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIDrEvJ8zq8
<Laila> Title: Thomas Bergersen - Creation of Earth (Sun) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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<ThirdEyE> Amid, try the KLA more
<ThirdEyE> but nice play from what i saw
<Deaod> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiB98Wbsdlo
<Laila> Title: Two Steps From Hell - El Dorado (SkyWorld) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
<Amid> yeah i havent played Raider since TPG stopped, need to get back into it
<Amid> ty anyways :P
<Amid> average mmr: 137
<Amid> range: 0-400
<Ginoshy> lol
<Ginoshy> EOC raider is really fun.
<Ginoshy> huh. another hawken stream is up titled "the road to 3000 mmr"
<ThirdEyE> yea i like eoc raider now and then
<ThirdEyE> oh my
<ThirdEyE> i cant use server browser
<ThirdEyE> because of my level reset T_T
<shosca> lol, git gud scrub
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<Amid> yeah sucks
<Ashfire908> ThirdEyE, what mmr is you start back at?
<ThirdEyE> http://hawken.herokuapp.com/user/thirdeye
<Laila> Title: Hawken: thirdeye (at hawken.herokuapp.com)
<Ashfire908> Did you start back off at 1250?
<ThirdEyE> looks like it
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<ThirdEyE> played one game
<Ashfire908> most seem to get thrown down to 0
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<ThirdEyE> scrimbot said not found before i played a match
<Ashfire908> yeah you had no stats before
<shosca> ThirdEyE: why do you love the tech so much? >.>
<ThirdEyE> ;)
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<Amid> currently killing people with crushing damage
<Ginoshy> you should do 360 noscopes next
<Amid> challenge accepted by merl
<cuuprum> how thrid eye still pilot lvl 1 but all mech reach max level?
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<Ginoshy> he's just that bad.
<Ashfire908> user stats reset
<Ashfire908> but item stats didn't
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<Coolgastj> Hey guys I suddenly disconnected, and I still wanted to save the conversation with Amid I had about the kick starter and early acces business model. Unfortunately I don't have a history option here, so would anyone be so kind so scroll up for a bit and copy paste that conversation in a PM?
<cuuprum> where to get that item Ashfire908 ?
<Ashfire908> what?
<Ashfire908> @cuuprum
<Amid> 360 no scopes inbound
<cuuprum> Ashfire908: to get reset item :)
<Ashfire908> You can't just reset your stats
<Ashfire908> it's a bug
<cuuprum> ooh i see
<cuuprum> hehe
<cuuprum> seems fun reset our stat and get leveling up
<Amid> we have decided that 360 noscoping is too easy at this level
<Ginoshy> well, then i guess you had better make it 720 no scope.
<Ginoshy> or at least do it in the air.
<ThirdEyE> thats the only way to 360 noscope
<Amid> yeah, Merl's going for the air now