Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - August 8, 2014

Session Start: Fri Aug 08 12:55:47 2014
Session Ident: #KHWiki-noticeboard
[12:55] * Now talking in #KHWiki-noticeboard
[12:55] * Topic is 'Welcome to #KHWiki-noticeboard, the official channel for business and wiki-related discussions on the subject of the independent KHWiki! Please refrain from socializing in this channel. You can do so in #KHWiki-social instead. Next Roundtable: August 8th. Check out the current issue of the KHWiki magazine! http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Magazine/Issue_1'
[12:55] * Set by Xion4ever!482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.47.125.105 on Fri Aug 01 17:52:54 2014
[13:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> You guys ready to go?
[13:15] <ANX219> <crickets chirp>
[13:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[13:16] <FM|AfterStory> Sure
[13:17] <FM|AfterStory> Wait let's call Luxerion
[13:17] <FM|AfterStory> He's needed for the first agenda
[13:17] <+Luxerion> yeah yeah, i'm here
[13:17] <FM|AfterStory> Also, does someone have CoF's and Xion's points at hand?
[13:18] <ANX219> tabbed?
[13:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[13:18] <ANX219> i can uh do that
[13:18] <+Luxerion> i'll say this now, we can skip the first point because they never replied to my direct message. so i'm guessing either they don't want to do it or it's just too late now.
[13:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The first point is the End of Year Event....
[13:19] <ANX219> Xion wants to start planning
[13:19] <ANX219> Chain says we could do a joint with The Keyhole
[13:20] <FM|AfterStory> I have no problem with doing a joint
[13:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Me neither
[13:20] <FM|AfterStory> I think the main problem we have here is figuring out what to do for an event
[13:20] <ANX219> Yeah
[13:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Since it's like, what, five people from there...
[13:20] <ANX219> What did we do last time?
[13:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know...
[13:21] <FM|AfterStory> Last year was the ReMIX contest
[13:21] <ANX219> I think it was along the lines of re-play through the game and obtaining certain trophies or something
[13:21] <FM|AfterStory> Which was a quiz + cosplay but it didn't turn out well
[13:21] <ANX219> link?
[13:21] <FM|AfterStory> Only one person entered the quiz
[13:22] <ANX219> bummer
[13:22] <FM|AfterStory> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:ReMIX_Contest
[13:22] <FM|AfterStory> The year before was more successful
[13:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I was the only person.....
[13:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Apparently...
[13:22] <FM|AfterStory> Oh, maybe more than one person applied then x_x
[13:22] <FM|AfterStory> I only knew that CoF won
[13:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Dang it!
[13:23] <FM|AfterStory> Anyway, the 2012 End of Year Event was a game-playing thing where we achieved goals to earn points for your team
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[13:23] <FM|AfterStory> Hi UC
[13:23] <FM|AfterStory> Do you have any ideas for End of Year Event 2014?
[13:24] <FM|AfterStory> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:End_of_Year_Event_2012 For reference
[13:24] <ANX219> Centered around 2.5 I'm assuming
[13:24] <+Luxerion> oh but we can skip the khi one so yeah
[13:24] <+Cheisa> 'thanks for notifying me' FM
[13:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I'm thinking we should do it 2.5 themed...since the game comes out at about the same time
[13:25] <ANX219> last year's looks hard
[13:25] <+Cheisa> which team earn the most trophies in 2.5
[13:26] <+Cheisa> and 1.5 if you want
[13:26] <FM|AfterStory> So, basically the same thing we done for 2012?
[13:26] <FM|AfterStory> But using the trophies as goals
[13:26] <ANX219> i'd like to participate but I only have 3D, REC, and Days
[13:27] <+Cheisa> yeah
[13:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know....couldn't we do something else/in addition to for those of us that are less capable of having either HD 1.5 or HD 2.5?
[13:28] <ANX219> we could tie in Project Music
[13:28] <+Cheisa> ANX, I guess apply what trophies you can earn in 1/2.5 to the regular released
[13:28] <+Cheisa> I forgot what trophy are in 1.5
[13:28] <ANX219> I don't have a playstation (and i call myself a kingdom hearts fan -_-)
[13:29] <+Cheisa> http://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-hd-remix/trophies oh
[13:29] <FM|AfterStory> The same problem we had last time was everyone not having the same game
[13:29] * Cheisa is now known as Cheisa|Crystal
[13:29] <ANX219> wiki scavenger hunt?
[13:30] <FM|AfterStory> Meaning?
[13:30] <ANX219> oh nevermind
[13:31] <ANX219> you could easily cheat
[13:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm wondering if we could do something like we did with the To Do List in the Magazine: have points for doing things in the game (like gaining the trophies, for example) but also for editing certain pages on the wiki....
[13:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like the pages tied to Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX
[13:31] <ANX219> i was thinking of searching for certain words on certain pages tied to KH2.5 but you can cheat with the word search
[13:32] <FM|AfterStory> One idea I had was doing some sort of creative works event
[13:33] <FM|AfterStory> Where we pick a theme (e.g. a World)
[13:33] * Crono|Away is now known as SilverCrono
[13:34] <FM|AfterStory> And then people make creative works (e.g. fanart, fanfics, photos, even buildings in minecraft!) and then maybe the top three are picked as best
[13:34] <FM|AfterStory> *make creative works about the theme
[13:34] <ANX219> That's cool
[13:34] <FM|AfterStory> But, I'm not sure how many people will be bothered to do that
[13:34] <FM|AfterStory> So it's most likely going to be a small turnout
[13:34] <ANX219> i get good stuff done if I'm under pressure
[13:34] <ANX219> more motivated
[13:37] <ANX219> should we move on?
[13:37] <FM|AfterStory> We still haven't reached a conclusion
[13:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We've got nothing.....
[13:37] <FM|AfterStory> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:End_of_Year_Event_Vote
[13:38] <FM|AfterStory> I think we should just do another vote like this
[13:38] <FM|AfterStory> To see which idea we choose
[13:38] <ANX219> i'm on there XD
[13:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm trying to understand what you guys did for 2012
[13:39] <FM|AfterStory> We were split into teams
[13:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> "Votes for the Pokémon tournament"
[13:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> I forgot about that
[13:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> ..
[13:40] <ANX219> and got 5 or 2 points for certain objectives
[13:40] <FM|AfterStory> And each of us had a specific game to play. Each game had a certain number of objectives to fulfil and we had to fulfil as many objectives in our designated games to get as much points
[13:40] <ANX219> like beating it on critical mode or collecting 9999 hearts
[13:40] <FM|AfterStory> That 9999 moogle points one was hell :P
[13:41] <+Luxerion> that thing is my proudest creation on the khwiki :')
[13:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ahhh....now the page makes more sense...
[13:41] <FM|AfterStory> Yeah, that event was great
[13:42] <FM|AfterStory> That 2 point difference
[13:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, we want something that great...
[13:43] <ANX219> woah
[13:44] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ...right?
[13:44] <FM|AfterStory> I feel that we can't repeat an event to that calibre without replicating it
[13:44] <FM|AfterStory> Unless someone has a complete brainstorm (so here's hoping :P)
[13:44] <FM|AfterStory> *brainwave that is
[13:44] <ANX219> we could have
[13:44] <ANX219> like weird facts about users
[13:44] <ANX219> and have people hunt for the userpage they are on
[13:45] <ANX219> and guess the user
[13:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We could try to do it again, but change what would have to be done to gain the points. Like I was saying, we could have points awarded for work on the game and points awarded for work on the wiki articles tied to HD 2.5 ReMIX. I think we should give more points for work on the game than on the wiki...
[13:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> You know what I really want to do? Just take what has been proposed, and tie it all into one huge event. Like award points for doing things on the game, for doing work on the page I mentioned, presenting a creative work on certain themes....that'd be so cool.
[13:48] <ANX219> yeah
[13:55] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, anyone else?
[13:55] <FM|AfterStory> Err, nothing
[13:55] <ANX219> file not found
[13:56] <FM|AfterStory> The event would run through December since it's an End of Year Event, correct?
[13:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I think so...How has it been done in the past?
[13:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like, does it usually run through December, or do we start earlier?
[13:57] <FM|AfterStory> ReMIX Contest was different but 2012's event was through December
[13:57] <FM|AfterStory> Either way, it's August now so we have time to decide
[13:57] <+Luxerion> well, technically, i think it started november
[13:57] <FM|AfterStory> Late november though
[13:58] <FM|AfterStory> Didn't we still need to sort out last minute rules and stuff?
[13:59] <FM|AfterStory> Anyway, if by September we have a concept. In October, we can flesh it out into a skeleton. And then in November, we can solve last minute queries
[13:59] <FM|AfterStory> December, we should be able to launch the event
[13:59] <ANX219> sounds good
[13:59] <FM|AfterStory> Maybe we should have a forum open for ideas
[13:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok. So then, we open a forum to discuss this?
[13:59] <FM|AfterStory> And have a sitenotice advertising it
[13:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[13:59] <ANX219> yeah
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory> We also need to figure out how this is going to tie into the Keyhole
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory>
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory> Sorry
[14:00] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmmm....
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory> jjm
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory> Sorry again
[14:00] <FM|AfterStory> I'm figuring something out with mIRC
[14:00] <ANX219> cat on your keyboard, eh?
[14:00] * FM|AfterStory goes to PM himself
[14:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Do we move on now?
[14:01] <ANX219> i would assume so
[14:01] <FM|AfterStory> Next point?
[14:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Point 2 was the Affiliation with Kingdom Hearts Insider.
[14:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> They didn't answer Erry's PM on Twitter
[14:01] <ANX219> Xion:Was thinking there was something we were waiting on to finish (maybe TT)
[14:02] <ANX219> Chain:Gets us more resources
[14:02] <FM|AfterStory> I'm having second thoughts about partnering with KHI
[14:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> There was nothing we were waiting on, necessarily  (I checked the logs last night.)
[14:02] <ANX219> alright
[14:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I have a question or two, now, since they didn't answer...
[14:03] <FM|AfterStory> Cos firstly, it seems that their contactibility isn't very smooth
[14:03] <FM|AfterStory> And secondly, the Trinity Archives seems like something the Wiki should run itself now
[14:03] <FM|AfterStory> Seeing as it's now part of the Chain of Rewards system and that it covers Wiki news
[14:04] <FM|AfterStory> It may be obstructive to Wiki news having a constant KH news feed rather than the summary of main points it is now
[14:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> yeah
[14:04] <FM|AfterStory> Maybe, we should stick to a simple affiliation?
[14:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So I've got two questions: 1- Does the wiki still want to affiliate with Kingdom Hearts Insider?
[14:05] <FM|AfterStory> Again, we need some more people to decide this
[14:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 2-If we do, should it stay simple, like FM said, or have something else in addition to that?
[14:05] <FM|AfterStory> Like NZ, Xion and other staff
[14:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
[14:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Doesn't NZ get on in another hour or so?
[14:05] <FM|AfterStory> Forum post again?
[14:05] <FM|AfterStory> Dunno
[14:06] <FM|AfterStory> Then, let's postpone this point
[14:06] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cuz I've got an idea for this.
[14:06] <ANX219> the colliding viewpoints
[14:06] <FM|AfterStory> What's your idea?
[14:06] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, no I don't. Let's postpone this, then and maybe I'll have my ideas straightend out...
[14:06] <FM|AfterStory> Sure...
[14:06] <FM|AfterStory> Err, Staff Policy
[14:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 3- Staff Policy
[14:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What exactly are we straightening out?
[14:07] <FM|AfterStory> I brought this up because I wasn't sure if the rules we wrote for the policy are what we want to keep
[14:07] <ANX219> ^
[14:07] <FM|AfterStory> Because I remember this being decided over one roundtable
[14:07] <ANX219> it was something along edits
[14:08] <FM|AfterStory> A forum post was created along with it but I don't remember it seeing much activity
[14:08] <ANX219> Xion brings up how often Kryten shows up doing small edits but the rules say no edits
[14:09] <FM|AfterStory> Honestly, I think the policy should shift its focus away from "you're demoted if you become inactive" and more "tell us if you're going to be inactive"
[14:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, was this at all related to Kryten's leaving? 'Cuz both Chain and Xion's responses/notes seems to imply that at least they think it is.
[14:09] <FM|AfterStory> Not at all x_x
[14:09] <ANX219> Chain think TNE should be demoted (inactivity)
[14:09] <FM|AfterStory> It was kinda misunderstood
[14:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[14:10] <FM|AfterStory> TNE remained a mod because she manages one of KHWiki's external accounts but I forgot which one and even if she still does
[14:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> DA
[14:10] <FM|AfterStory> Yeah, that's it
[14:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> She manages the wiki's DeviantArt account. At least, in theory, she does.
[14:10] <FM|AfterStory> But I don't see that holding any water to her keeping a moderator position
[14:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think she was there a year ago when I asked to join the DA group.
[14:10] <FM|AfterStory> KSM and Pea manage the Twitter account though they're not staff
[14:12] <ANX219> i thought pea was a mod (Whoops_
[14:12] <FM|AfterStory> "Inactivity will not be tolerated if it is not excused. Being inactive and doing a single edit a day that is simply a grammar correction will not suffice."
[14:12] <FM|AfterStory> I think that rule is too harsh in my opinion
[14:12] <ANX219> it does sound that way
[14:12] <FM|AfterStory> Activity isn't really something you can measure easily just by looking at an edit count
[14:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
[14:12] <ANX219> true
[14:13] <FM|AfterStory> Some people do edits in bursts rather than being consistent across days.
[14:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion won't be here once school starts. At least until December. But that doesn't mean she's leaving completely.
[14:13] <FM|AfterStory> And others do little edits but quality ones
[14:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The rule says she does, though.
[14:13] * Chitalian (~chatzilla@cpe-142-255-90-52.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140716183446])
[14:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope, I was wrong...
[14:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 'cuz her inactivity would be excused
[14:14] <FM|AfterStory> I think that rule should be removed and replaced with a "If you will become temporarily inactive, it is mandatory to notify the rest of the Wiki."
[14:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with that.
[14:14] <FM|AfterStory> *If you know you are going to be temporarily inactive
[14:15] <FM|AfterStory> All aboard with that idea then?
[14:15] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm wondering if we should rewrite it, the whole page. List things like responsibilities, limits, such
[14:16] <FM|AfterStory> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Administrators
[14:16] <FM|AfterStory> We have that stuff too
[14:16] <FM|AfterStory> Which is good enough for me
[14:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh yeah
[14:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That was never finished, though...either.
[14:16] <ANX219> TNE hasn't made an edit since last july
[14:16] <FM|AfterStory> Is everyone also agreed to demote TNE?
[14:17] <ANX219> She did claim Inactive on her User Page
[14:17] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure, I guess. I guess by the books, she should be....
[14:17] <FM|AfterStory> Luxerion, your opinion?
[14:17] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm wondering if we should find her and ask her first...
[14:18] <ANX219> anyone check her stats on francphone?
[14:18] <ANX219> (spelling?)
[14:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> THat's the French KHWiki, right?
[14:18] <FM|AfterStory> I'm pretty sure we gave ENX and TNE many warnings before
[14:18] <FM|AfterStory> French Wiki doesn't really have anything to do with the English Wiki
[14:18] <+Luxerion> demote her, when she comes back and asks about her rank, tell her because of policy, she was demoted but deemed to be inactive, so she can ask for her rights back.
[14:19] <FM|AfterStory> Sure
[14:19] <FM|AfterStory> But then she'd have to observe the "two months of consistent activity" rule, yes?
[14:19] <+Luxerion> hmm? is that for after she gets her rights back?
[14:19] <ANX219> active for that period then ask for rights?
[14:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^ I think that's right..
[14:20] <FM|AfterStory> "If you are inactive, and wishing to be part of staff once more, you will have to show two months of consistent activity to regain your previous staff position."
[14:20] <ANX219> Yeah
[14:20] <+Luxerion> hmm, then that must be what she has to do
[14:21] <+Luxerion> so just demote her, inform her of the new policy and that's that.
[14:21] <FM|AfterStory> The policy should make a distinction between excused and unexcused inactivity
[14:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Excused: Out of your hands
[14:22] <FM|AfterStory> The former is inactivity due to real life situations that the staff member notified the Wiki of beforehand
[14:22] <FM|AfterStory> And the latter is unexplained inactivity
[14:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Unexcused: You are choosing to no longer edit on the wiki. There may be a reason to not do so, but the ultimate decision/inactivity is in your hands
[14:22] <FM|AfterStory> Excused inactive staff should be able to get their rights back as soon as they return
[14:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[14:23] <FM|AfterStory> And unexcused should need to undergo the 2 month "probation" period
[14:23] <ANX219> yes
[14:23] <FM|AfterStory> Which category does TNE belong to?
[14:24] <FM|AfterStory> And then, there's also the situation with Kryten
[14:24] <FM|AfterStory> He's announced his inactivity but says it's permanant
[14:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But, he's been retired already, no?
[14:25] <FM|AfterStory> Luxerion, did TNE warn about her inactivity before?
[14:25] <FM|AfterStory> Yeah, so I guess KK's rights should be removed then but he could get them back if he returns
[14:25] <+Luxerion> tne just said she'd be inactive on her userpage and that's it
[14:26] <FM|AfterStory> Did you contact her on twitter once when we were discussing TNE and ENX?
[14:26] <+Luxerion> i contacted her on facebook
[14:26] <+Luxerion> she replied that she'd return to take care of it
[14:26] <FM|AfterStory> But she didn't so I guess she belongs to the "unexcused" category
[14:27] <FM|AfterStory> (Is anyone writing a summary of this by the way?)
[14:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm logging
[14:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I can write the summary if no one else will.
[14:27] <FM|AfterStory> Okay
[14:27] <FM|AfterStory> Good
[14:28] <FM|AfterStory> So rights will be removed from TNE and KK, then?
[14:28] <FM|AfterStory> Our staff are ever-dwindling :(
[14:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we remove TNE and KK's rights, witht the former for unexcused inactivity.
[14:28] <+Luxerion> yes
[14:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The policy is changed as FM wrote it. Probation for those who go inactive unexcused, immediate restoration of rights for those who advise us of their inactivity ahead of time
[14:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Any other changes to the Staff Policy?
[14:29] <FM|AfterStory> Did people ever get temporary mod perms for certain image projects before?
[14:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion mentioned it somewhere a couple of days or weeks back.
[14:29] <Sora1995> (How does one become a staff member?)
[14:29] <+Luxerion> yes, the inexistent and me got mod rights for a period of time
[14:30] <FM|AfterStory> Sora, I think through an election if the situation ever calls for it
[14:30] <Sora1995> Ah
[14:30] <+Luxerion> however to counteract that we made porple make a usergroup that had the 'image' powers of mods, but not the 'administration' powers.
[14:30] <FM|AfterStory> Should people doing Project:Image Renovation get those temporary perms?
[14:31] <FM|AfterStory> I can think of someone who may need those :P
[14:31] <ANX219> hi
[14:31] * FM|AfterStory is now known as FifteenthMember
[14:31] <ANX219> i'm kidding
[14:31] * FifteenthMember is thinking of ANX
[14:32] <FifteenthMember> Xion seems pretty stretched dealing with image links and deleting images
[14:32] <ANX219> she's awesome at it
[14:33] <+Luxerion> mmh, could always contact porple or any beaureaucrat to give you the abilities
[14:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, plus she seems to be done at this point till winter break...she said she had a band thing this week. And school starts for her the week after that.
[14:33] <FifteenthMember> Firstly, I need to actually ask ANX if she wants the perms cos I kinda bombshelled it on her :P
[14:33] <ANX219> I start school on wednesday
[14:33] <ANX219> perms?
[14:33] <FifteenthMember> The image permissions
[14:34] <FifteenthMember> ANX, will you still be editing during school or are you taking a break?
[14:34] <ANX219> I think I should start school first then decide if I will have time
[14:35] <FifteenthMember> Okay then
[14:35] <+Luxerion> i need to mention something at the end of the rt so ping me at the end
[14:35] <ANX219> Last time i was here I edited for like a week and then forgot all about it XD Sorry about that
[14:36] <FifteenthMember> Okay EK
[14:36] <FifteenthMember> Next agenda then?
[14:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 4-Mobile issues
[14:37] <FifteenthMember> Err, mobile viewing
[14:38] <FifteenthMember> Pretty much nothing to say here
[14:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah...
[14:38] <FifteenthMember> I just took this opportunity to advertise that forum
[14:38] <ANX219> There was some error i notice but I do not remember what it was
[14:38] <ANX219> *noticed
[14:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Since we're here. ARE there any problems anyone wants to bring up that has access to the site on their phone?
[14:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And/or tablets, I guess...
[14:39] <FifteenthMember> I have a few but I forgot them too x_x
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[14:39] <FifteenthMember> I'm planning on just browsing areas of the site one day and posting the issues then
[14:39] <FifteenthMember> Hey NZ
[14:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey NZ!
[14:39] <ANX219> hi
[14:39] <Neumannz> Hey all
[14:40] <Neumannz> What have I missed
[14:40] <Neumannz> I'll be mostly hovering, there's a lot going on over here
[14:40] <ANX219> the first three points
[14:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Here, let me get you a log...
[14:41] <Neumannz> Just sum it up
[14:41] <Neumannz> I'm on my phone
[14:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh.
[14:41] <ANX219> Rejected
[14:41] <ANX219> (sorry)
[14:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Shush. No one needs to know!
[14:41] <Neumannz> Or come back to it later, I don't want to stall things
[14:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, we're gonna open a forum for ideas for the End of Year event
[14:42] <Neumannz> Good
[14:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We pushed the KHI affiliation agenda point to the end in case you came
[14:43] <Neumannz> Isn't erry the contact?
[14:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We just finished reviewing the Staff Policy.
[14:43] <FifteenthMember> We just needed more opinions on what to do
[14:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> They didn't show, so....
[14:43] <FifteenthMember> To see if we still want them monitering the Trinity Archives
[14:43] <Neumannz> Ok
[14:43] <FifteenthMember> *writing
[14:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Nor did they answer Erry's PM on Twitter
[14:44] <Neumannz> I see
[14:44] <FifteenthMember> Personally, I'm having second thoughts about partnering with them since the Trinity Archives seems to be something the Wiki can run ourself easily
[14:44] <+Luxerion> i mentioned that KHI never contacted me, so... we can't do much at this point... either too late (opportunity passed and they lost patience) or they just don't want to do anything.
[14:44] <ANX219> I think we're good as independent
[14:44] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Do we want to go there now? Or wait till the end?
[14:44] <FifteenthMember> ^
[14:44] <FifteenthMember> We might as well sort it now
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
[14:45] <+Luxerion> i'd say, drop it at this point. it's been postponed too much and i don't think it's worth the trouble at this point.
[14:45] <FifteenthMember> Sure
[14:45] <FifteenthMember> I'm always up for a simple affiliation though
[14:45] <Neumannz> Seems that way
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm thinking the biggest thing we've got is that we could use their translations as official sources in our own articles...
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like, that was something I kinda was looking forward to.
[14:46] <FifteenthMember> The reason we don't use their translations as official sources is they're fan-translated
[14:46] <FifteenthMember> Not because we're not allowed to
[14:46] <FifteenthMember> At least, that's what I thought?
[14:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> To be honest, though, aren't most of the interviews in Japanese translated to English by fans?
[14:46] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, which is why we don't use many of them
[14:47] <ANX219> "don't use many"
[14:47] <ANX219> uh
[14:47] <FifteenthMember> Usually, unless it's a professional site (e.g. IGN, Gamespot) or an official source of information (famitsu articles), we don't add the info
[14:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But Famitsu, for example, isn't in English, right? Someone else has to translate it.
[14:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And I can tell you, Square Enix doesn't do us the favor of that.
[14:48] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, that's true x_x
[14:48] <ANX219> I've heard lot of ruckus on Famitsu
[14:49] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What do you mean?
[14:49] <FifteenthMember> Neumannz, what's the policy on fan-translated articles?
[14:49] <ANX219> Users fighting on the wiki about using their images and such
[14:49] <ANX219> it's probably because i went through the block log
[14:50] <Neumannz> Well
[14:50] <Neumannz> We cannot source to a fansite's coverage, only to the interview itself
[14:51] <Neumannz> And we take translations with many grains of salt
[14:51] <Neumannz> So unless we independently get a translation, we tend to skip
[14:51] <Neumannz> Well, not skip
[14:51] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, either way partnering with KHI doesn't solve the issue
[14:51] <Neumannz> We give it a {{fact}} tag
[14:52] <FifteenthMember> That policy seems okay to me
[14:52] <Neumannz> I believe that's the policy
[14:52] <ANX219> FM is right
[14:52] <FifteenthMember> So the other thing we discussed is the Staff Policy
[14:52] <ANX219> TNE demote until resurrection
[14:52] <ANX219> , correct?
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> It's decided that TNE will be demoted due to unexplained inactivity
[14:53] * Silversey (~SilverCro@seiwa/user/SilverCrono) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
[14:53] <FifteenthMember> And also, Kryten should have to have his rights removed since he declared permanant inactivity
[14:53] * SilverCrono (~SilverCro@seiwa/user/SilverCrono) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[14:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Back on the KHI thing, should we shoot for a regular affiliation, then, or just drop it altogether?
[14:54] <FifteenthMember> If they want a regular affiliation, accept
[14:55] <FifteenthMember> If not, drop it
[14:55] <FifteenthMember> My view
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> So all agreed?
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> Shall we move on?
[14:56] <+Luxerion> i say drop it, end of :p
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> I'm inclined to agree
[14:56] <Neumannz> Very well
[14:56] <FifteenthMember> But if they approach us with the offer, sure
[14:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I personally would think it'd be good for the wiki.
[14:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> At least publicity-wise
[14:57] <Neumannz> If it worked, yeah
[14:57] <+Luxerion> if they approach us, sure. but if people are really determined to get the affiliation, go for it.
[14:57] <FifteenthMember> If they did control our news feed, wouldn't that make it a copy of theirs?
[14:57] <+Luxerion> but i say for now, don't bother with it :p
[14:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be back in a few.
[14:58] <+Luxerion> it's basically their news on our site
[14:58] <+Luxerion> that was the point in the beginning. because we don't get a lot of news ourselves
[14:58] <Neumannz> Yeah
[14:58] <FifteenthMember> But things have picked up since then so we're keeping on top of things, well enough
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> NZ, how's the mobile site for you?
[15:00] <FifteenthMember> Honestly, I still use desktop view on my phone
[15:01] <ANX219> me too
[15:01] <ANX219> i just gave up on mobile
[15:01] <FifteenthMember> But I'm gonna do a browse and note down every problem I encounter to add to that forum
[15:01] <ANX219> the signatures are super small even if you enlarge the text
[15:01] <Neumannz> Needs more features
[15:01] <Neumannz> Assuming they're possible
[15:02] <ANX219> suggestions?
[15:02] <FifteenthMember> Xion's inverted talk bubble totally confuses the mobile :P
[15:02] <ANX219> i believe so
[15:02] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Mobile_Issues
[15:02] <FifteenthMember> Add any suggestions here guys
[15:02] <Neumannz> From a "diff" screen, should be able to go to the next diff
[15:03] <FifteenthMember> ^
[15:03] <Neumannz> Or to the edit screen
[15:03] <FifteenthMember> Also, does anyone else think we need a full Table of Contents?
[15:03] <Neumannz> Where
[15:03] <FifteenthMember> Cos the collapsed sections don't show sub-sections and if you scroll down
[15:04] <FifteenthMember> You need to scroll all the way back up
[15:04] <FifteenthMember> NZ, any normal article
[15:04] <ANX219> oh I think that the text came off the screen when I zoomed in and you couldn't scroll to the right to see
[15:04] <ANX219> instead of shifting to the new avaliable line
[15:04] <FifteenthMember> I think Wikia has a ToC that follows you as you browse
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> It's just a little icon to the side that you tap on
[15:05] <ANX219> how small is little?
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> That way, you don't need to scroll back to the top all the time
[15:05] <Neumannz> I want to see the kind of TOC Wikipedia has
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> Small enough to not be annoying
[15:05] <FifteenthMember> And I think it only becomes opaque when you tap the screen
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> brb
[15:06] <FifteenthMember> Keep discussing guys
[15:06] <Neumannz> Wikipedia has an icon in its top bar, to the right of the search bar
[15:07] <FifteenthMember> (Yes, Wikipedia is okay for me)
[15:07] <Neumannz> OH
[15:07] <Neumannz> RIGHT
[15:07] <Neumannz> categories
[15:07] <Neumannz> Can't see categories
[15:07] <ANX219> wha?
[15:07] <ANX219> oh
[15:07] <Neumannz> Need to be able to view a page's categories
[15:08] <Neumannz> Wikipedia has that problem too
[15:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> back
[15:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> As far as that icon, doesn't the wiki have it too?
[15:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways, the problems can be listed on the Mobile Issues forum. Should we move on?
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> Back
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> NZ, wait a minute
[15:15] <FifteenthMember> Where's Wikipedia's ToC?
[15:15] <Neumannz> The only icon that is there shows the left toolbar
[15:15] <Neumannz> On Wikipedia
[15:16] <Neumannz> On the top toolbar
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> That isn't a real ToC...
[15:16] <Neumannz> There's the W icon that opens the left toolbar
[15:16] <Neumannz> Then there's the search bar
[15:16] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, never mind
[15:17] <Neumannz> Then there's an icon with 3 horizontal lines
[15:17] <Neumannz> That's the one
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> I see that icon
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> But that icon is more like a sidebar
[15:17] <FifteenthMember> It has "Home", "Random" and all the rest
[15:17] <Neumannz> Then the three dots which is for the right toolbar
[15:17] <Neumannz> Wrong, FM
[15:18] <Neumannz> That's the W
[15:18] <FifteenthMember> I'll PM you about it
[15:18] <FifteenthMember> The rest might as well continue
[15:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> NZ is that not the Wikipedia app?
[15:19] <Neumannz> Fine
[15:19] <FifteenthMember> I use Wikipedia on browser
[15:19] <FifteenthMember> Not the app
[15:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> yeah, I just saw screenshots of the Wikipedia iOS app. It matches NZ's description.
[15:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The mobile web page doesn't.
[15:20] <FifteenthMember> That explains it then
[15:20] <FifteenthMember> http://i.imgur.com/towF9KJ.png
[15:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia-mobile/id324715238?mt=8
[15:20] <FifteenthMember> That's hte mobile web page
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> So yeah, that ToC is okay
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> Err, we have a new affiliation!
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> Request anyway
[15:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep. 5-Affiliation Request. The guy didn't answer or anything, so he's not here.
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> Okay
[15:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> (obviously)
[15:21] <FifteenthMember> I'm okay with affiliation with him
[15:22] <ANX219> link
[15:22] <FifteenthMember> <small>   The cat's stepping on the laptop x_x </small>
[15:22] <FifteenthMember> Aaand he nearly tripped off the bedd :<
[15:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Affiliates/Requests#Enixorigin.com
[15:22] <FifteenthMember> But, getting back on topic
[15:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sorry, I thought that was the link to the page. Here it is --> http://www.enixorigin.com/
[15:23] <FifteenthMember> http://www.enixorigin.com/
[15:23] <FifteenthMember> Looks okay to me
[15:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It does
[15:24] <FifteenthMember> So move on?
[15:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> All in favor?
[15:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Aye
[15:24] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[15:24] <FifteenthMember> So the projects
[15:24] <Neumannz> Cool
[15:24] <FifteenthMember> We should define what projects we want in Merlin's House. Do we want to add all of the wiki's old projects from here separately? What other projects do we want to create as wiki-official? And which ones do we want to leave as unofficial user projects for the Vacant House?
[15:24] <ANX219> thanks
[15:25] <FifteenthMember> I don't really understand the problem here
[15:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So here goes
[15:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I screwed the two pages up.
[15:26] <FifteenthMember> How?
[15:26] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I began adding official projects to the Vacant House, since all the projects as a whole were covered as "MegaProject: Arise" in Merlin's House
[15:26] <FifteenthMember> When people have their own individual request, they went to the Vacant House
[15:27] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[15:27] <ANX219> what defines an individual projects to go in the vacant house?
[15:27] <FifteenthMember> Project: Music and Project: Cards can go to the official ones then
[15:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Here, i've got some notes I jotted down last night.
[15:28] <Neumannz> Key items counts I think
[15:28] <FifteenthMember> ANX, if someone has their own personal request that they want done, they go to the Vacant House
[15:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "...we should create/finalize/organize existing and new wiki projects and promote them to new users. One part of this issue is that I don't know if we should split MegaProject: Arise into its individual projects (Traverse Town, Main Page, Magazine/Podcast, and split Updating our Projects into Project: Music, Project: Image Renovation, etc.). "
[15:28] <FifteenthMember> For example, I came up with the Key Items project on my own and I wanted help with it so I went to the Vacant House
[15:28] <FifteenthMember> That is how it works, yes?
[15:28] <Neumannz> I believe so
[15:28] <Neumannz> Yes
[15:29] <FifteenthMember> KSM: "Updating our Projects" and "MegaProject: Arise" are pretty much umbrella terms for many smaller projects
[15:29] <FifteenthMember> As long as all the projects are linked to and are mentioned in either the description of its umbrella term, or has its own full row in the table, I'm okay with it
[15:31] <FifteenthMember> So, what's the verdict?
[15:31] <FifteenthMember> My opinion: Updating our Projects should be removed and replaced with a row for each of its smaller projects
[15:31] <Neumannz> I agree
[15:32] <ANX219> a row?
[15:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[15:32] <FifteenthMember> A row of the table
[15:32] <ANX219> in merlin's house, okay
[15:32] <FifteenthMember> Okay. Next:
[15:32] <FifteenthMember> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:July_2014_Tea_Party#KHWiki_Affiliation
[15:32] <FifteenthMember> The banner here
[15:34] <ANX219> normal?
[15:34] <Neumannz> Uh, what banner?
[15:34] <Neumannz> I'm not seeing a banner
[15:34] <ANX219> <s>
[15:35] <FifteenthMember> "Should we make a bigger banner for our affiliates page, or will they just get a simple card like everyone else? "
[15:35] <FifteenthMember> The banner idea :P
[15:35] <FifteenthMember> http://i.imgur.com/LkH7b0L.png
[15:35] <FifteenthMember> I think it would be cool if our affiliates page looked something like this
[15:35] <Neumannz> Sure, banner, why not
[15:35] <ANX219> I love that FM XD
[15:36] <FifteenthMember> Every normal affiliate gets a card but the Keyhole gets a bigger space (the banner)
[15:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> sorry, I left for a bit
[15:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I like the banner idea.
[15:36] <FifteenthMember> So all approved on that.
[15:36] <FifteenthMember> Next?
[15:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'd like to go back a bit to the projects
[15:37] <FifteenthMember> Yeah?
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I was wondering if there were any other projects we'd like to create. The idea being that we'd promote them to new users immediately or something of the like.
[15:37] <FifteenthMember> If there's another project you wanna make, make it :P
[15:37] <ANX219> I have a new project
[15:37] <ANX219> in my sandbox
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I noticed that one.
[15:37] <FifteenthMember> That's what the Vacant House is for, isn't it?
[15:38] <ANX219> but xion said it was "her best two coins" to wait on it until IR is finished/constant
[15:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess that's true.
[15:38] <ANX219> I was looking over those pages
[15:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
[15:38] <FifteenthMember> The most harm that could happen in adding a project is no one pays attention to it so it stagnates
[15:39] <ANX219> yeah
[15:39] <FifteenthMember> ANX, you mean project:dream?
[15:39] <ANX219> yes
[15:39] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, we're really behind in DDD gameplay stuff
[15:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, then we'll just present them on the Vacant House, and if for some reason we want to make them wiki-official, than we can. I guess that works.
[15:39] <ANX219> someone/some people have been looking at recent changes :P
[15:40] <FifteenthMember> I was gonna start work on it after Re:coded but then I lost the game :(
[15:40] <FifteenthMember> So, if we're finished here. Shall we continue?
[15:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure
[15:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Transcripts.
[15:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> How to incorporate transcripts into the mainspace
[15:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> .Namely http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Notes_27,_(KHII,_Gummi_Tutorial_Logs)_-_Xion4ever&t=20140513030425 and
[15:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Notes_28_(KHC,_Hercules_Memo_Logs)_-_TheFifteenthMember&t=20140523210244
[15:41] <FifteenthMember> This stemmed off me doing this
[15:41] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Labyrinth#See_Also
[15:42] <FifteenthMember> I'm not sure if linking to that transcript there is actually allowed
[15:42] <ANX219> wasn's coded in japanese? translations?
[15:42] <FifteenthMember> Re:coded was made in english
[15:42] <FifteenthMember> If you mean, the hercules memo translations
[15:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain says they should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
[15:42] <FifteenthMember> I don't exactly know how we got those
[15:42] <ANX219> yes herc ones
[15:43] <ANX219> You created it XD
[15:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> He says some belong on the mainspace while others belong in lists.
[15:43] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Hercules_Memo&oldid=418046
[15:43] <FifteenthMember> It was here
[15:43] <FifteenthMember> I have no clue where they originated from
[15:44] <ANX219> Cococrash or whatever
[15:44] <ANX219> I would assume they are fan-translated
[15:44] <FifteenthMember> That's actually a good point
[15:44] <Neumannz> Coded is a HUGE can of worms
[15:45] <ANX219> http://www.gamefaqs.com/mobile/943348-kingdom-hearts-coded/faqs/57054 got it
[15:45] <ANX219> gamefaq is fan
[15:45] <Neumannz> I think I'll be putting that in the vacant house
[15:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, from my notes: "I had suggested on the IRC a Transcript: space. So for the appropriate article, we'd dump transcripts such as the ones listed. In the examples, we'd dump the Transcripts for the Gummi Ship Missions in Transcript: Gummi Missions or something like that. And the other example, the Hercules Memos, could go in Transcript: Olympus Coliseum. Something of the like."
[15:45] <ANX219> "This FAQ will use terminology from the Japanese version, and from English translations of other games in the series."
[15:45] <Neumannz> There is one YouTube playthrough coded
[15:46] <Neumannz> Why not just have a subpage?
[15:46] <ANX219> KSM sounds right
[15:46] <FifteenthMember> I thought we should hav subpages
[15:46] <FifteenthMember> *have
[15:46] <Neumannz> Does it really need a new namespace
[15:46] <FifteenthMember> Like "Gummi Missions/Tips Transcripts"
[15:46] <FifteenthMember> A new namespace sounds overkill
[15:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The problem I see with that is that they're kinda hidden/hard to find
[15:46] <+Cheisa|Crystal> why not just do "List of Gummi Missions Tips"
[15:46] <+Cheisa|Crystal> or whatever the name is
[15:46] <FifteenthMember> Good idea
[15:47] <FifteenthMember> And then link in See Also
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess
[15:47] <Neumannz> What do you mean by hidden
[15:47] <ANX219> yeah
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> subpages don't tend to have links to them unless they're user-subpages
[15:47] <Neumannz> You could link a subpage in See Also, too
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Would we do that for all the tutorials we've gathered, too?
[15:48] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Tutorial_articles%3F
[15:48] <Neumannz> If we have an appropriate place to put them
[15:48] <FifteenthMember> What we've proposed here is we make articles on tutorials
[15:49] <FifteenthMember> Like how we have articles on Reports, we have articles on the Tutorial sections of the menu
[15:49] <Neumannz> Hmm
[15:50] <Neumannz> Maybe
[15:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's really the basis behind my suggestion of a namespace, the fact that we're really just putting all the text from things like tutorials and such.
[15:50] <FifteenthMember> The tutorials are self-contained in their own pages though
[15:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> With that, we could just dump such transcripts in there and be done.
[15:51] <FifteenthMember> That wouldn't really fix the problem
[15:51] <FifteenthMember> It'd be something like "Transcript: Birth by Sleep"?
[15:51] <FifteenthMember> And then go in the BBS suite?
[15:51] <Neumannz> That sounds like you want a transcript of the entire game
[15:52] <FifteenthMember> Cos having "Tutorials (KHREC)", "Tutorials (BBS)" are easier to do
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, and then dump any transcripts we get from the game, such as the tutorials or somthing... at least that was the thought.
[15:52] <ANX219> What is a suite anyway?
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> At the same time, aren't the tutorials covered (at least theoretically) in the Walkthroughs?
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> @ANX Template:Suite is what puts the tabs at the top of articles
[15:52] <FifteenthMember> Because then they won't just be about transcripts, it'd be about the actual section of the pause menu.
[15:52] <ANX219> Ohh
[15:52] <ANX219> thanks
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like Sora's adds the tabs at the top that link to Form:Sora, Gallery:Sora, etc.
[15:53] <Neumannz> Actually, I wouldn't mind putting the transcripts into the walkthrough space
[15:53] <FifteenthMember> The walkthrough space kinda died
[15:53] <FifteenthMember> How would you implement it?
[15:54] <FifteenthMember> We've had many ideas for the walkthrough space that never took off:
[15:54] <FifteenthMember> 1) Linking it to the Let's Plays
[15:54] <FifteenthMember> 2) Linking it to the map images
[15:54] <Neumannz> Walkthrough: Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Tutorials
[15:54] <FifteenthMember> Oh
[15:54] <FifteenthMember> That seems okay
[15:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That works
[15:55] <Neumannz> Cool
[15:55] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then, they all go in subpages that are linked either in their original articles or as a part of the Walkthrough?
[15:55] <FifteenthMember> I still think we need a general "Tutorials" page in the mainspace that is in a similar format to the "Reports" page
[15:55] <Neumannz> Sure
[15:55] <FifteenthMember> Part of the walkthrough
[15:56] <Neumannz> Ehhh...
[15:56] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts
[15:56] <FifteenthMember> Wouldn't it be somewhere here?
[15:56] <FifteenthMember> They wouldn't be linked in the suites
[15:56] <FifteenthMember> Although the "Tutorials" article, perhaps will need a link to the walkthroughs somewhere
[15:57] <FifteenthMember> Walkthrough:Tutorials probably, like we do for the worlds
[15:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, I meant as "See also" links, like in the case of the Hero's Memo
[15:57] <FifteenthMember> I removed the Hero's Memo link a few minutes ago
[15:57] <FifteenthMember> Sure, they can be linked in the See Also links whenever it's appropriate
[15:57] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then just in the Walkthroughs.
[15:59] <FifteenthMember> We really should've used the short game names for the walkthrough pages...
[15:59] <FifteenthMember> Kingdom Hearts Re:coded < Re:coded
[16:00] <FifteenthMember> So we've sorted all that
[16:00] <FifteenthMember> About the Quotes: space
[16:01] <FifteenthMember> Do we have guidelines concerning which quotes we actually put up and which we don't?
[16:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain: "I know this argument may seem very one-sided, but there was ALOT of work put into those pages that I'd hate to see go to waste. There are some scripts that seem more arbitrary than quotes in my opinion."
[16:01] <FifteenthMember> I was never suggesting to remove the entire space
[16:02] <FifteenthMember> I just wanted to regulate it
[16:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm not sure there is a policy or anything. Maybe just because no one cares to go through the game to get all the lines, so the ones that do go up are pretty significant anyways.
[16:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know
[16:03] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Re:coded/Destiny_Islands
[16:03] * FifteenthMember admires his work
[16:03] <FifteenthMember> *shot*
[16:03] <FifteenthMember> I guess we just don't make any changes then?
[16:03] <FifteenthMember> People seem to be tending to it well enough
[16:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It was really well done, FM
[16:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Both the quotes and your walkthrough
[16:04] <Neumannz> There has been very little oversight of the quotes
[16:04] <FifteenthMember> Except my walkthrough is dull in terms of language, incomplete and probably riddled with errors :P
[16:05] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Re:coded/Trophies
[16:05] <FifteenthMember> Oh. I forgot to finish this
[16:05] <FifteenthMember> You know something's up when the author writes as instructuions "Follow the walkthrough"...
[16:06] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So, Quotes: are okay?
[16:06] <Neumannz> Hm.
[16:06] <FifteenthMember> I guess...
[16:07] <+Cheisa|Crystal> k, I'm back from eating dinner or so, what are on
[16:08] <+Cheisa|Crystal> someone about quotes?
[16:08] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:08] <FifteenthMember> Any rules you wanna add to regulate the quotes: space
[16:10] <+Cheisa|Crystal> we should limit quotes or something, theres no reason to add everything everyone said
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> That's the thing
[16:10] <FifteenthMember> How much do you limit?
[16:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think any significant quote is good. Like, Goofy saying "Look" doesn't belong.
[16:11] <+Cheisa|Crystal> main character should have a larger quota than minor character
[16:11] <Neumannz> This needs in depth discussion, i feel
[16:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But Goofy saying "Watch out!" in Kingdom Hearts II is.
[16:11] <Neumannz> Forum, maybe
[16:11] * KeybladeSpyMaste sees if anyone knows where Goofy said that.
[16:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think it really comes down to the individual quotes, not the significance of who said them.
[16:13] <FifteenthMember> Do minor characters deserve quotes pages at all
[16:13] <+Cheisa|Crystal> some do
[16:13] <+Cheisa|Crystal> but not that much
[16:13] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Quotes:Sora%27s_Heartless
[16:14] <+Cheisa|Crystal> also, what the hell are 1.5 quotes? http://www.khwiki.com/Quotes:Xigbar#Kingdom_Hearts_HD_1.5_ReMIX_cutscenes
[16:14] <Neumannz> Not good enough
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> Pretty sure he doesn't even have a VA in Re:coded
[16:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> 1.5 Quotes are from Kingdom Hearst 358/2 Days
[16:14] <Neumannz> Minor character should get a quotes subsection
[16:14] <+Cheisa|Crystal> oh
[16:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Apparently, they're different from the original release
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> That should be made much cleare
[16:14] <FifteenthMember> *clearer
[16:15] <Neumannz> Guys, I say throw this to a forum
[16:15] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we gave all charcters quote sections because it looks cleaner. At least that's what I think
[16:15] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Quotes:Xigbar&curid=34570&diff=631477&oldid=630221
[16:15] <FifteenthMember> That should do it
[16:15] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Compared to the quotes on the actual page.
[16:15] <FifteenthMember> NZ, sure
[16:16] <FifteenthMember> Having a Quotes: page or Quotes section is the same decision as whether we have an Appearance section or Form: page
[16:17] <FifteenthMember> But if someone appears in mulitple games, a separate page is cleaner. Even if he only said one line in each
[16:17] <FifteenthMember> But anyway
[16:17] <FifteenthMember> Yes. Forum page it is then
[16:17] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Forum, sure
[16:17] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Next
[16:17] <FifteenthMember> We should be making about three forums at the end of this roundtable!
[16:17] <FifteenthMember> Unused images
[16:18] <FifteenthMember> So most feedback should just go http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Unused_Files
[16:18] <FifteenthMember> I just want to ask what we can do with the map images
[16:18] <Neumannz> A lot of unused sound files
[16:18] <FifteenthMember> Because do you think we can incorporate them in the Settings and Areas sections somehow?
[16:19] <FifteenthMember> I don't see why we can't dump the sound files on the "List of Kingdom Hearts tracks" page
[16:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The sound files will be takne care of when I finish Project: Music
[16:19] <FifteenthMember> Okay.
[16:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *taken
[16:20] <Neumannz> We could the maps into galleries under settings and areas
[16:20] <FifteenthMember> Why is some settings and areas expanded like in Traverse Town or Castle That Never Was
[16:20] <FifteenthMember> ( http://www.khwiki.com/Traverse_Town and http://www.khwiki.com/Castle_That_Never_Was )
[16:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain:  "Do we have a use for the map images? I'm sure we could put them somewhere in the game: mainspace. As for the other images, we could make this into an official project"
[16:21] <+Cheisa|Crystal> we need to go through that category and see what need vs what we dont need for pages
[16:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Almost forgot that.
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> While others are concise like http://www.khwiki.com/Wonderland
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> Thats what Xion tried to do with that forum of hers
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Unused_Files
[16:21] <FifteenthMember> This one
[16:22] <FifteenthMember> Which reminds me: I need to actually respond to that x_x
[16:22] <+Cheisa|Crystal> also, when going through the unused files, some of them look like they're supposed to in articles, but never were added
[16:22] <FifteenthMember> Red + blue is an eyesore, unfortunately
[16:22] <FifteenthMember> If so, we should just add them in
[16:22] * Silversey is now known as Crono|Away
[16:23] <Neumannz> Regarding settings and areas
[16:23] <Neumannz> Wonderland has a much simpler layout than TT or TWTNW
[16:23] <FifteenthMember> So that's how we decide
[16:23] <FifteenthMember> Simply the complexity of the layout
[16:24] <Neumannz> Basically
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> Castle That Never Was is kinda a mess though
[16:24] <Neumannz> Sections and subsections
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> It doesn't have a story section and the treasures aren't under a Game: page
[16:24] <Neumannz> Of worlds
[16:24] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/File:Coconut_KH.png Whee, we have these
[16:25] <Neumannz> So some worlds game pages aren't done yet
[16:25] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:26] <FifteenthMember> We should work on the other namespaces outside of the mainspace
[16:26] <Neumannz> Needs to go on the to do list
[16:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we good?
[16:27] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/File:Icon_Shield_KH.png Hey, I was looking for this
[16:27] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
[16:27] <FifteenthMember> Continue
[16:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> An article relating to Kingdom Shader. Yes or no?
[16:28] <FifteenthMember> Looking through these unused files is like looking through a box of old pictures and momentums :P
[16:28] <FifteenthMember> I say no
[16:28] <FifteenthMember> I don't understand the point of it
[16:28] <+Cheisa|Crystal> its the game engine
[16:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain: "If we have an article for this, should we have an article for other games engines? Also, should there be pages for Consoles (PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, 3DS, PS3, Xboxone, cell phones don't/shouldn't count.)"
[16:28] <FifteenthMember> It'd only be a few sentences saying it appears in KH3 and uses different lighting for each world
[16:28] * ANX219 (62171a71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.23.26.113) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[16:28] <FifteenthMember> I also think we shouldn't have pages for consoles
[16:29] <FifteenthMember> Can't the game engine be merged with its game page?
[16:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I feel that the information belongs on the Development section.
[16:30] <Neumannz> Yes
[16:30] <Neumannz> correct
[16:30] <Neumannz> Development
[16:31] <Neumannz> Let's move on, I am almost out of time
[16:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Last one
[16:31] <FifteenthMember> Just to clarify if all emotions/sprites are needed for CoM talk sprites because I can get them all--but don't seem to be of high demand.
[16:31] <FifteenthMember> ^Last agenda point
[16:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Do we, then?
[16:32] <Neumannz> Well, why not
[16:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyone in opposition to getting all the sprites for KHCOM?
[16:33] <Neumannz> I guess not
[16:34] <FifteenthMember> No
[16:34] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think tied to that is this --> http://www.khwiki.com/Forum:Return_of_the_CoM_Card_Sprites
[16:35] <FifteenthMember> brb
[16:35] <Neumannz> So is there a problem?
[16:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think there's a problem with uploading the Card sprites either.
[16:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Or whateve ENX was refering to (I'm still not exactly sure...)
[16:36] <+Cheisa|Crystal> dont we already have the CoM Card sprites?
[16:36] <+Cheisa|Crystal> oh wait, we have RE:CoM sprites
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then we accept them all.
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
[16:37] * ANX219 (62171a71@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.23.26.113) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
[16:37] <Neumannz> So, we good on this?
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Luxerion
[16:37] <ANX219> sorry i dc'd
[16:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It's fine. We just finished
[16:37] <ANX219> my eyes decided to give
[16:37] <+Cheisa|Crystal> I mean, we should have them for achieve purposes
[16:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[16:38] <ANX219> did we get the COM images thing?
[16:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Erry said to ping him when we were done.
[16:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
[16:38] <ANX219> the one thing i came for @_@
[16:38] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We're fine with uploading them all.
[16:38] <ANX219> i just wanna know if it's gonna be hard work not used
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> I also have 1 thing I need to bring up real quick
[16:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, I'd imagine they'd go in their respective galleries, though.
[16:39] <Neumannz> Can go into galleries
[16:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes?
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> http://www.khwiki.com/Trident_Anchor_B
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> http://www.khwiki.com/Trident_Anchor_G
[16:39] <+Luxerion> you're done?
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> http://www.khwiki.com/Trident_Anchor_R
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> these thing
[16:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> UC just inserted a hidden agenda item :)
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> are they each consider different enemy
[16:39] <Neumannz> I'm done
[16:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think so.
[16:39] <+Cheisa|Crystal> or are they just 1 enemy with different variation?
[16:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> They have separate names
[16:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm checking Shard's notes to see if there's anything else
[16:41] <+Cheisa|Crystal> alrighty then, cus I was wondering if they were like the Glidewinder; different form, but same thing or not
[16:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> In game, each one has a weakness to a different Keyblade. They also have different names (being the addition of R, G, and B)
[16:41] <ANX219> I'll save it for later
[16:41] <ANX219> there's like 100+
[16:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> However, that difference carries over in English, Japanese, and the Romanji versions of the Heartless.
[16:42] <Neumannz> The different stats indicate different heartless
[16:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we're done, now
[16:42] <ANX219> I wish I could play KHX and add info
[16:42] <Neumannz> Ok, imma go
[16:42] <+Cheisa|Crystal> alright, I have no more thing to bring up
[16:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Luxerion, you wanted to say something
[16:43] <Neumannz> Ok
[16:43] <Neumannz> Peace out, all
[16:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> See ya
[16:44] <ANX219> bai
[16:44] * Neumannz (~egrahc@pool-173-73-31-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
[16:44] <+Luxerion> yeah
[16:44] <+Luxerion> i'm announcing my temporary retirement
[16:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What?!?!
[16:45] <+Luxerion> i'll clarify something
[16:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure.
[16:45] <+Luxerion> i'll be on the irc all the time, but because i don't do any edits or little to no edits
[16:45] <ANX219> no way
[16:46] <+Luxerion> i'd rather open the position to someone else
[16:46] <FifteenthMember> Is that because of your course?
[16:46] <FifteenthMember> Are you coming back to England?
[16:48] <FifteenthMember> KSM, are you alright with the logs and summaries?
[16:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, I'm fine.
[16:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I've got it all down
[16:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, so we're done then. On a sad note.
[16:49] <FifteenthMember> (Guys, I'm back)
[16:49] <+Luxerion> my university course, yeah
[16:49] <FifteenthMember> Will you still do the End of Year Event?
[16:56] <+Luxerion> sorry, was doing levi ex. <_<
[16:57] <+Luxerion> but yeah, by doing it, do you mean participate in the event or help create it/
[16:57] <+Luxerion> ?*
[16:57] <FifteenthMember> Err, both I guess?
[17:00] <FifteenthMember> Luxerion, if you can't host, I'm sure one of us will be able to work it out. Will you be able to participate at least though?
[17:02] <+Luxerion> but yeah. i'm just dropping my position as admin because i'm not doing anything at all on the wiki that is actually counted as 'work'.
[17:02] <FifteenthMember> Doesn't activity on the IRC still count?
[17:03] <FifteenthMember> It means you're still actually here
[17:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And you do help when we ask you something specifically. Last month, you helped me with the CSS for the new Main Page.
[17:03] <FifteenthMember> If it's only temporarily, there's no reason for your rights to be removed completely according to our staff policy
[17:05] <FifteenthMember> I kinda think we will need a permanant mod soon though
[17:05] <FifteenthMember> Cos we only have a handful of staff left
[17:05] <+Cheisa|Crystal> we meta now
[17:06] <+Luxerion> i can host and/or participate
[17:06] <+Luxerion> but i just don't want the positon when i don't do anything.
[17:06] <FifteenthMember> EK, if that's what you want then sure
[17:07] <FifteenthMember>  You should probably notify the rest of the staff first
[17:07] <FifteenthMember> Anyways, as long as you're still around on the IRC, I'm fine :P
[17:07] <+Luxerion> I'll mention it on the staff page