And another discussion about the new BR system

(22:45:47) ‹+Bloom› i dont think its intentionally but it happened because the ban system was overhauled before the report system
(22:45:57) ‹+Bloom› it took me almost an hour to go through 166 reports
(22:46:08) ‹+andonuts› What, how?
(22:46:09) ‹+Bloom› it used to take like 20 minutes at most
(22:46:18) ‹+duanemoody› as i see it we went from being judges to the sorting hat
(22:46:23) ‹+Bloom› idk the site was running slow
(22:46:35) ‹+Bloom› we where never meant to be judges
(22:46:44) ‹+duanemoody› well, to use judgment
(22:46:48) ‹+andonuts› Janitors judge content initially.
(22:47:00) ‹+andonuts› We just can't take serious action against it.
(22:47:06) ‹+duanemoody› and we shouldn't
(22:47:10) ‹+duanemoody› that wasn't my meaning
(22:47:15) ‹+andonuts› We're there to sort the shit from the real shit.
(22:47:20) ‹+duanemoody› ah
(22:47:37) ‹+Bloom› true, there are no guidelines in place for what exactly deserves a ban request or just deletion
(22:47:56) ‹+duanemoody› but the part earlier about "if we're confused we'll contact you on IRC" were followed by "and that's never happened"
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(22:48:34) ‹+Bloom› i really really dont like that im being told entirely opposite things by different mods
(22:49:03) ‹+AoC› We're still in transition I guess, it will take some time for things to settle
(22:49:19) ‹%dongfix› people have differing opinions
(22:49:34) ‹%dongfix› #1 rule of reporting/ban requesting
(22:49:36) ‹%dongfix› be lenient
(22:49:45) ‹+AoC› and Bat_Guano for one has come here to ask for more information about particular ban requests, so it has happened before
(22:50:18) ‹+Bloom› dongfix, people having different opinions has nothing to do with this, how am i supposed to know what to do if i have two mods giving me completely opposite information
(22:50:27) ‹%dongfix› ask moot
(22:50:28) ‹+Bloom› you guys need to communicate with eachotehr more
(22:50:31) ‹+Bloom› eachother*
(22:51:35) ‹+duanemoody› it's kind of irritating to get a large "we're improving moderation" blog post in public while this is going on
(22:52:10) ‹+Bloom› it just doesn't make sense to me why there would be options in the ban request system that we aren't supposed to use
(22:52:18) ‹+duanemoody› ^
(22:52:27) ‹%dongfix› ok let me rephrase that
(22:52:31) ‹+duanemoody› nicely
(22:52:32) ‹%dongfix› make using it an absolute last resort
(22:52:35) ‹+duanemoody› ok
(22:52:44) ‹+Bloom› thats exactly what i was using it for
(22:52:50) ‹+Bloom› thank you for clarifying
(22:53:13) ‹+duanemoody› and when we have what was referred to as "an edge case" we'll just keep hammering mods here until we understand
(22:53:53) ‹+duanemoody› and i apologize if my freehand text field was making it harder for them to do their jobs
(22:53:54) ‹+Bloom› it tied back into your be leniet thing, i didnt want some guy to get banned for making a non troll thread about KS, so i chose Other, copy pasted the rule about translated VNs, and put (requesting warning) at the end
(22:55:03) ‹+duanemoody› so dongfix, is that an ok use of it or not
(22:55:08) ‹%dongfix› huh
(22:55:28) ‹+duanemoody› lord
(22:56:59) ‹%dongfix› i am tired
(22:57:03) ‹%dongfix› put things into simple english
(22:57:16) ‹+duanemoody› your system is arbitrary
(22:57:19) ‹+duanemoody› is that simple
(22:57:24) ‹+Bloom› he is asking if the example i just posted above him was a proper use of the "other" thing
(22:57:39) ‹+Bloom› im going with yes since another mod literally came in here and told me he liked it
(22:57:42) ‹+duanemoody› we are asking whether "other" is ok in this case
(22:57:49) ‹+duanemoody› and i'm going with that
(22:57:57) ‹+duanemoody› please don't complain when you see it in the queue
(22:58:01) ‹%dongfix› it is off-topic / ask moot to add the reason
(22:58:21) ‹+Bloom› [00:49] <dongfix> be lenient
(22:58:32) ‹+Bloom› so you want some guy to get banned for posting a thread that would have been allowed a few months ago
(22:58:46) ‹%dongfix› just clear it
(22:58:48) ‹+duanemoody› you're confusing him
(22:58:54) ‹%dongfix› / delete it
(22:58:55) ‹+duanemoody› it's 6am there
(23:00:28) ‹+AoC› Isn't it better to add context when the situation requires it? It can be difficult to get why a post requires a ban when it's just the post on its own, no pattern or thread around it.
(23:00:49) ‹%dongfix› if it really requires that much thought i'd seriously doubt it needs to be banned/deleted
(23:00:53) ‹+Bloom› thats been asked before and the answer is usually if such context is required its probably not actually against the rules
(23:01:03) ‹+AoC› But I can see how it would be bothersome for the mods going through the new system if they have several "Other:" reqs
(23:01:36) ‹+AoC› I disagree. As a ban req on its own any Nichijou spammer post in /co/ looks kosher
(23:01:38) ‹+Bloom› it honestly can't be that bad
(23:01:45) ‹+Bloom› compared to the janitor reports queue
(23:01:59) ‹+duanemoody› wait, am i doing that wrong?
(23:02:01) ‹+andonuts› Honestly, we should start like a titpad/googledoc spreadsheet with posts/context complete with archive links to document longterm shitposting behaviour.
(23:02:02) ‹+Bloom› i mean at least 25% of it is inane reports most of the time
(23:02:11) ‹+andonuts› Obviously making it private.
(23:02:18) ‹+duanemoody› why not put it in /j/
(23:02:18) ‹+AoC› andonuts, that's what the /j/ thread is for
(23:02:19) ‹+Bloom› at least the ban request queue is made by competent people
(23:02:38) ‹+andonuts› Well, I like spreadsheets.
(23:02:40) ‹+andonuts› Fuck you both.
(23:03:04) ‹+AoC› it is good when it's not piled up. Back then we had like 5000+ ban reqs waiting to be handled and nobody willing
(23:03:24) ‹+Bloom› /tv/ has too many shitposting tripfags i tell you what
(23:03:25) ‹+duanemoody› well i'm really fucking sorry the mods weren't willing
(23:03:40) ‹+duanemoody› perhaps i should file fewer
(23:03:46) ‹%dongfix› ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(23:04:09) ‹+Bloom› and some guy avatarfagging with boxxy images for a month
(23:04:18) ‹+duanemoody› or nichjou images for same
(23:04:27) ‹+duanemoody› and no, telling me to nag mods in here is bullshit
(23:04:27) ‹+AoC› the problem of this whole discussion is that bloody bans are useless anyway
(23:04:37) ‹+duanemoody› because that's what BRs are for
(23:04:50) ‹+Beam› That is why we have invented the phone spiders
(23:04:51) ‹+AoC› for all our efforts discussing what is worth a ban or not, it's a trivial obstacle for the real threats
(23:04:52) ‹+duanemoody› and half the time the mods are alseep
(23:05:28) ‹+duanemoody› this would be a lot easier if the RE-orientation i was promised when i got here actually happened
(23:05:39) ‹+AoC› it WILL happen
(23:05:46) ‹+Bloom› its in the next 2 weeks dont you read the topic
(23:05:58) ‹+Beam› how about I re-orientate your FACE
(23:06:06) ‹+duanemoody› jesus will return but neither are on my calendar
(23:06:07) ‹+AoC› just, you know, 4chan time. I'm still waiting for the promotion I was promised years ago
(23:06:16) ‹+duanemoody› i don't even want a promotion
(23:06:21) ‹+duanemoody› i just want to do my job well
(23:06:29) ‹+Beam› I want a new TV
(23:06:36) ‹+AoC› I want a proper bed
(23:06:37) ‹+Bloom› i wish i was a little bit taller
(23:06:43) ‹+Bloom› i wish i was a baller
(23:06:46) ‹+duanemoody› i wish i were a bit longer
(23:06:50) ‹+duanemoody› such is life
(23:06:55) ‹+Bloom› i wish i had a girl who looked good i would call her
(23:07:06) ‹+duanemoody› …"sylvia"
(23:07:18) ‹+Bloom› http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyf0YwUJcqk
(23:07:21) ‹+Beam› You this read wrong
(23:09:54) ‹+AoC› Anyway, enforcement remains as it has and we have to go easy on the ban reqs before they start piling up again. At least until magic happens and we have a way to
(23:10:11) ‹+AoC› get quick mod feedback
(23:10:15) ‹%dongfix› k i cleared ban requests