Sunday Night Chatroom 2014/2/15

[18:21] <MegaBossMan> Rain Flush is being nerfed.

[18:21] <TailsMK4> Bubble Lead?

[18:21] <TailsMK4> @Ender

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[18:21] <ThatOneEnderMan> I think so

[18:22] <Spinstrike_> Eh, what's up, Doc?

[18:22] <TheDoc> Eyyyyyy

[18:22] <ThatOneEnderMan> Also, Whats up doc?

[18:22] <TailsMK4> Now I wonder how much damage a critical hit Bubble Lead would do against Star Man.

[18:22] <TheDoc> What did I miss?

[18:22] <MegaBossMan> http://pastebin.com/H9nyVXu6

[18:23] <TailsMK4> So anyway, Rain Flush is losing what aspect? Defense-ignoring or health percentage?

[18:23] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Oh, crap. Someone tap Adrian for me. I cound something wrong with the difficulty system.

[18:23] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *I found

[18:23] <MegaBossMan> It's being nerfed in percent, and now you're damaging your team as well.

[18:23] <TheGamerDudeX> back

[18:23] <MegaBossMan> Kinda like Surf.

[18:23] <TheGamerDudeX> hey doc

[18:23] <TheGamerDudeX> anyway

[18:24] <MegaBossMan> Adrian will read this later.

[18:24] <TheGamerDudeX> About my bass...

[18:24] <Spinstrike_> Surf n' turf!

[18:24] <TheGamerDudeX> With wily he has 3000 attack

[18:24] <TailsMK4> Damaging the team? Normally would be bad, but I usually go solo...so... >_>

[18:24] <TheGamerDudeX> so that would be maybe 100K damage at least...

[18:24] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I'd gotten a bit too used to the idea of being able to take up to 8 Robots with you, but that limitation will force additional strategy, I suppose.

[18:25] <TheGamerDudeX> RF wouldnt matte

[18:25] <MegaBossMan> Not everyone has a Bubble Man like yours, Tails.

[18:25] <TheGamerDudeX> *matter

[18:25] <TheGamerDudeX> MBM

[18:25] <TailsMK4> Or Toad Man.

[18:25] <TailsMK4> Or Wave Man (soon). lol

[18:26] <ThatOneEnderMan> My toad man is a third of the way trained (sorry for being off-topic)

[18:26] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Hey, Adrian. If you're reading this, the Maximum BP from the Difficulty level in that PB you just posted is the same across the board.

[18:26] <TheGamerDudeX> you love bubble man dont you... i remember you saying you LOVED him.

[18:26] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *levels

[18:27]  * CHAOS_FANTAZY waits for Adrain to reenter the room...

[18:27] <TheGamerDudeX> Also, Damage shouldnt be 60k with 1000 Attk and a enemy with 100 defense and little  starforce

[18:27] <MegaBossMan> Adrian probably won't be coming back for a while.

[18:27] <TailsMK4> They're different, Mikey.

[18:27] <TailsMK4> I see half BP for Easy, twice BP for Hard.

[18:27] <MegaBossMan> Yep.

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[18:28] <Spinstrike_> Yeah, that would make more sense. Risk/reward, and all that.

[18:28] <ThatGuyNamedMike> For Cossack's Final Destination 3- Easy: 440,000 x 128 = 56,320,000 /2 = 28,160,000, which is the same as the max for it currently.

[18:28] <TailsMK4> Anything else news-worthy?

[18:28] <MegaBossMan> I believe it's time for the suggesting.

[18:29] <ThatGuyNamedMike> 440,000 x 64 = 28,160,000.

[18:29] <Spinstrike_> May I go first?

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[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> sorry guys...

[18:29] <Spinstrike_> Unless anyone else wants to.

[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> my thing got glitched

[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> what was i saying?

[18:29] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Also, 440,000 x 32 = 14,080,000 x 2 = 28,160,000.

[18:29] <TailsMK4> I see where Mikey is going with this.

[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> WAIT...

[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> i remember

[18:29] <ThatGuyNamedMike> It's the same across the board.

[18:29] <TheGamerDudeX> anyway

[18:29] <Tobyjoey> So, I actually had a little idea relating to a lottery system of sorts, but it can wait.

[18:29] <TailsMK4> Perhaps the percentage for Hard mode needs to be higher.

[18:30] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Why not just keep the required turns the same?

[18:30] <TheGamerDudeX> A enemy with 100 defense, a player with 1000 attack, lil starforce= 60000.

[18:30] <TheGamerDudeX> Damage.

[18:30] <TheGamerDudeX> anyway

[18:30] <TailsMK4> Not much point in difficulties, then.

[18:30] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> That's not really any imposed difficulty anyway, since you can still beat any mission regardless of how many turns have passed.

[18:30] <TheGamerDudeX> guys... another question

[18:30] <TailsMK4> All this is really doing is just limiting the bots you can have per mission.

[18:31] <TheGamerDudeX> Are we going to have actual boss fights?

[18:31] <TailsMK4> I think I'd rather have 1 across-the-board restriction.

[18:31] <MegaBossMan> We're going to fight the Stardroids.

[18:31] <TheGamerDudeX> or at least ,mini boss?

[18:31] <TheGamerDudeX> oh.

[18:31] <MegaBossMan> People like MMK are the bosses.

[18:31] <TheGamerDudeX> i was wanting to see ppl vs MMK?

[18:31] <TheGamerDudeX> whats MMK?

[18:31] <TailsMK4> Mega Man Killers.

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> oh yeah

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> sorry

[18:32] <Spinstrike_> Enker, Punk, and Ballade.

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> i didnt remember that i know the killers

[18:32] <Spinstrike_> Except Quint, that guy's a dork.

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> yeah

[18:32] <TailsMK4> Since the main stuff is out of the way and we're just talking...I'm going to focus on my homework.

[18:32] <ThatOneEnderMan> And quint

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> i was gonna say him

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> quint

[18:32] <MegaBossMan> Anyway, should we move on?

[18:32] <TheGamerDudeX> = future/captain N mega man

[18:32] <ThatOneEnderMan> I like quint...

[18:32] <Spinstrike_>  I have a sugestion to make.

[18:33] <MegaBossMan> Spinstrike, care to start us off?

[18:33] <TheGamerDudeX> i remember me and some others, MBM And one other were talking about that

[18:33] <Spinstrike_> Oh, sure.

[18:33] <TheGamerDudeX> well, see ya guys

[18:33] <TheGamerDudeX> it was nice to be more on topic than usual.

[18:33] <MegaBossMan> Everyone, time to quiet down and use your [popcorns].

[18:33] <TheGamerDudeX> *specially to the mikey guy, who is, in fact, thatguynamedmikey.*

[18:34] <TheGamerDudeX> well, say your see ya laters...

[18:34] <Spinstrike_> Anyhow, you know how we used to use the original 8-bit music for the game before we switched to LegendofRenegade's Genesis remixes a while back?

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[18:34] <TheGamerDudeX> cya

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[18:34] <Spinstrike_> I was wondering if it might be possible to swap between them at will. Y'know, for people who prefer the original music.

[18:34] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> If you're about to suggest an option for different musical styles, I've already suggested that.  The answer was a definitive "maybe."

[18:35] <TheDoc> That's not definitive at all CF you silly

[18:36] <TailsMK4> I'm wondering what will happen with the Stardroids and Time/Oil Man, since Renegade hasn't done their music yet.

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[18:37] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Time and Oil presently use MM&B's Astro and Tengu theme.

[18:38] <Spinstrike_> I really hope Renegade gets to making Genesis remakes (de-makes?) for Time and Oil. It just dosen't feel right.

[18:39] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I dunno, I think it was clever.

[18:39] <MegaBossMan> He doesn't seem interested in making them, last time I checked.

[18:39] <TheDoc> ^

[18:39] <ThatGuyNamedMike> He's not. I doubt he even knows Powered Up exists. :P

[18:39] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> He said he was considering going back to PU one day.

[18:40] <MegaBossMan> Really? Saw a comment from him getting mad at someone suggesting them.

[18:40] <MegaBossMan> But, maybe his opinion has changed from then.

[18:40] <Spinstrike_> All the more reason for us to use RushJet1's stuff once he does MM4.

[18:41] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> "Hi mate, welcome aboard. And the thing about those PSP songs is I wasnt actually familiar with them while I was making these remixes so sadly missed out at the time. I wouldn't rule it out though for another day" TLoR, circa 2014

[18:41] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> And I would definitely support using 8-Bit Remade songs.

[18:41] <MegaBossMan> Ah, didn't see that one.

[18:42] <Spinstrike_> 8-Bit Remade? Can't say I've heard of them.

[18:42] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_QnyJKK-q0 Over yonder; the post replying to WhatsitToYa9 (Me from the distant past).

[18:42] <TailsMK4> Actually, I think I'll take my leave...this is getting somewhat distracting for me.

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[18:43] <MegaBossMan> Anyway, should we move on?

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[18:44] <MegaBossMan> Who's next to stand on the podium?

[18:44] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I'm always last.

[18:44] <Tobyjoey> I have a small idea, nothing major

[18:44] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> My words don't mean anything unless Adrian is around.

[18:45] <Tobyjoey> I guess I'm up?

[18:45] <MegaBossMan> Tobe, go ahead.

[18:46] <Spinstrike_> The chair recongnizes Tobyjoey.

[18:46] <TheDoc> *recognizes

[18:46] <Spinstrike_> Sorry, Model UN reflex.

[18:46] <TheDoc> :3

[18:46]  * MegaBossMan sits down

[18:46] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Be back soon; dinner's ready.

[18:46] <TheDoc> C ya

[18:47] <Tobyjoey> So, you know how in Mega Man 7 Auto keeps Eddie in his shop? And we obviously know what Eddie does.

[18:47] <MegaBossMan> Yep.

[18:48] <Spinstrike_> He's Dr. Light's beer cooler, obviosuly.

[18:48] <Tobyjoey> What if there was a raffle system of sort where be either collecting them from enemies are buying them, you can exchange vouchers or tickets for a small lottery?

[18:48] <TheDoc> lol

[18:48] <AdrianMarceau> http://pastebin.com/gJyjCi4u  <-- Here are the current difficulty setting values, if you want to through tweak ideas my way I'm open (Mike?)

[18:48] <Spinstrike_> Well, Eddie's MMAB data card does mention lotteries as one of his likes...

[18:49] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I'll address that during my turn [@ Adrian].

[18:49] <Tobyjoey> Maybe you'd get an Energy Pellet, maybe you'd get an Attack Boost ability, maybe you'd get a yasachi

[18:50] <Tobyjoey> Maybe you'd get another voucher, maybe you'd get a crystal core

[18:51] <Tobyjoey> Maybe, on a rare chance, you'd get thrown into a random mecha battle with one robot randomly chosen

[18:51] <MegaBossMan> Ooh.

[18:51] <TheDoc> How would you play this lottery?

[18:52] <Tobyjoey> It would be it's own separate tab with Buying and Selling items. You could get tickets from enemy drops as a decently rare drop, or buy one for somewhere around 2000 zenny

[18:53] <MegaBossMan> I'm for it.

[18:53] <TheDoc> I would make it drop-only, but otherwise it sounds like a fun thing.

[18:53] <TheDoc> I was going to say that making it daily would make it too easy to get items

[18:54] <TheDoc> But as a rarish drop is fine

[18:54] <Tobyjoey> Nothing game changing, but I fun little time waster idea I had.

[18:55] <Spinstrike_> I think it's nice.

[18:56] <MegaBossMan> I'm up for it.

[18:56] <TheDoc> I have something. Not an idea, but more of a point/question

[18:56] <MegaBossMan> Go ahead, Doc.

[18:56] <TheDoc> I think Chaos (was it Chaos?) brought up a good point about difficulties. Getting different amounts of BP doesn't make the battle itself "harder".

[18:57] <MegaBossMan> It's not supposed to make the battle harder.

[18:57] <MegaBossMan> It's more of "Take high risk, get greater reward" type deal.

[18:58] <TheDoc> Oh. The word "difficulty" mislead me then

[18:58] <AdrianMarceau> and the AI changes, I think I mentioned that

[18:58] <Spinstrike_> Did you?

[18:58] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I don't recall you mentioning that.

[18:59] <MegaBossMan> No, he said it.

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[18:59] <ColdShadow> Hello Fellow ppl?

[18:59] <TheDoc> I have no idea who you are, but hello

[18:59] <MegaBossMan> Hey, we're in the middle of a discussion. Feel free to join.

[18:59] <ColdShadow> Just coming in to check. It's GamerDude

[18:59] <TheDoc> And Adrian does show it in his 2nd pastebin

[18:59] <ColdShadow> dont worry guys

[18:59] <ColdShadow> It's me

[18:59] <ColdShadow> you know who i am...

[18:59] <TheDoc> What are turn values?

[18:59] <ColdShadow> anyway

[18:59] <MegaBossMan> 1/64 turns.

[19:00] <ColdShadow> It's TGDX... see ya guys in a little bit

[19:00] <TheDoc> Oh, for BP

[19:00] <MegaBossMan> The amount of turns in a battle to gain points.

[19:00] <ColdShadow> im keeping this up but yeah

[19:00] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Cold Shadow is ThatGamerDude.

[19:00] <ColdShadow> *THE

[19:01] <TheDoc> ThatGamerDudeXavier

[19:01] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:01] <Spinstrike_> If it's okay with you guys, I think I'll just lurk for the rest of the evening. The folks want me to watch a movie with them. :P

[19:01] <ColdShadow> just keeping a eye on you

[19:01] <MegaBossMan> See ya, Spin.

[19:01] <TheDoc> K. Bye

[19:01] <MegaBossMan> Anyway, Doc?

[19:01] <ColdShadow> 1 past 7 here

[19:01] <Tobyjoey> Bai

[19:02] <TheDoc> I have a 2nd question. I'm such an inquisitive lil' goober.

[19:02] <TheDoc> Is there anything differentiating RMs besides overdrive abilities?

[19:02] <ColdShadow> so basically brb and every little bit i'll check on ya gais k? k yo?

[19:02] <MegaBossMan> Stats and Stat limits.

[19:02] <MegaBossMan> Weapon Energy usage...

[19:03] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Element types.

[19:03] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Element weaknesses.

[19:03] <TheDoc> @Mikey I meant within a Type group sorry

[19:03] <ThatGuyNamedMike> element immunites, Resistances and affinities.

[19:03] <TheDoc> I didn't know about the WE usage.

[19:04] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Did I miss te rest of the meeding?

[19:04] <TheDoc> Is, uh, there a list for the different stats? I figured you'd say stats but I didn't know how different they were

[19:04] <ThatGuyNamedMike> When a bot uses an attack the same type that it is, the WE required for it is cut in half. That same attack is also cut in half if it's one of the user's original attacks.

[19:04] <MegaBossMan> Not yet, Chaos.

[19:05] <TheDoc> Oh, I knew about that WE usage

[19:06] <ColdShadow> alright, everyrhing working ok?

[19:06] <TheDoc> But those seem like little things (besides overdrive and stats (which I'd like to see)). They don't make every RM strictly unique.

[19:06] <TheDoc> Although I will give you weakness and whatnot

[19:07] <ColdShadow> Looks ok, See ya in the next few minutes

[19:07] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I'm not exactly suggesting overdrive abilities. Just Tier 3 abilities that are that robot's and that robot's alone, like Mega's Mega Slide, and Bass's Bass BAroque.

[19:08] <TheDoc> Oh, I thought that's what OD was.

[19:08] <TheDoc> :|

[19:09] <ThatGuyNamedMike> They're hardly overdrive; they're Neutral. :P

[19:09] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Neutral's have no Star Force amping them up.

[19:10] <ColdShadow> Aight...

[19:10] <ColdShadow> i see...

[19:10] <ColdShadow> So far so good. :)

[19:11] <TheDoc> Where does it talk about OD

[19:11]  * TheDoc is apparently out of the loop :(

[19:11] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Funny how I love Neutral moves so much but they have literally no gimmickry.

[19:11] <ThatGuyNamedMike> They have higher Critical Hit ratios, but, that's it.

[19:12] <TheDoc> Oh wait I wasn't talking specifically about Bass Baroque etc

[19:12] <TheDoc> I thought a T3 ability for each robot was "OD"

[19:12] <MegaBossMan> Isn't that what it is?

[19:13] <TheDoc> I think so?

[19:13] <MegaBossMan> In fact, I believe it's still in the stage of idea.

[19:13] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Most Robots don't even have a T3.

[19:13]  * TheDoc is confusing himself

[19:13] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Adrian was gonna do that, actually; a T3 attack where it costs 40 WE.

[19:13] <MegaBossMan> As of now, only Copy robots use T3s, with Overdrive still being an idea.

[19:13] <TheDoc> Yea, that's mentioned here: Mikey thread #5 http://rpg.megamanpoweredup.net/community/general/928/mikey-s-ideas-5-for-a-better-experience-for-all/

[19:13] <ThatGuyNamedMike> But, the problem is that it'd play hell with both storyline fights AND Player Battles.

[19:13] <ColdShadow> So... More WE???

[19:13] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Did I miss an absurd buff to the Robots' level of Weapon Energy?

[19:14] <ColdShadow> just checking on you guys. this seems awesome though

[19:14] <MegaBossMan> I don't believe so.

[19:14] <MegaBossMan> It's still 10.

[19:14] <TheDoc> See, I believe Adrian said that WE would level up a while back, but in the link I posted he implied that it is 10 for everyone

[19:14] <MegaBossMan> Although, I'd imagine there'd be an item that temporarily increases that...But I digress.

[19:15] <MegaBossMan> No, I don't believe WE levels up. You mean health?

[19:16] <AdrianMarceau> If you're feeling out of the loop about overdrives and stuff, check the most recent images here:

[19:16] <AdrianMarceau> http://rpg.megamanpoweredup.net/images/gallery/previews/

[19:17] <TheDoc> @MBM Yea I just read the Preview thread over again, and I think I mistook WE for LE.

[19:17] <AdrianMarceau> In addition to all the normal abilities that robot masters get from level-up, each element will have it's own set of buster and support abilities

[19:17] <ColdShadow> Coming again for the small every certain minute check...

[19:17] <ColdShadow> so... files i see huh?

[19:18] <ColdShadow> well, cool

[19:18] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Hey, Adrian, can you describe in brief how the alt costumes are made ingame?  Are they saved as their own unique frames ingame, or are they translated from the original using a new palette.

[19:18] <ColdShadow> this also has the MM3 stuff huh?

[19:19] <AdrianMarceau> Flame, for example, will have dedicated support abilities in the form of Attack/Defense/Speed Blaze/Burn as well as offensive abilities in the for of Flame Shot, Flame Buster ,and Flame Overdrive

[19:19] <ColdShadow> Oh... yeah this would of been amazing to you guys if i showed it to u guys  9 months when the hype was there...

[19:19] <AdrianMarceau> Electric will have its own versions, etc. etc.

[19:19] <MegaBossMan> Like the images revealed last week.

[19:20] <ColdShadow> this is a old pic: http://rpg.megamanpoweredup.net/images/gallery/previews/mmrpg-update-preview_20140921-09.jpg

[19:20] <ColdShadow> shows my bass

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[19:20] <ColdShadow> ;') sniff

[19:20] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:20] <ZeroDXZ> *appeared slamming his Attoreny's desk*

[19:20] <ZeroDXZ> Defense Attorney Zero is here!

[19:20] <ColdShadow> zero should've been here to see my name changing

[19:20] <TheDoc> Anyways, going back to what I was saying, I feel iffy on how much the same-type RMs will be unique depending on how diverse the stats are.

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> ..

[19:21] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I think I mentioned that these abilities are seemingly useless, seeing as the Buster moves do what they do way better.

[19:21] <ThatOneEnderMan> I just wanna point out that i'm still here, not that it mathers.

[19:21] <ColdShadow> Going back... doing my check in a little bit for you guys... (school is out for a few days) i get some snow tommorow, like a foot.

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> guys

[19:21] <ColdShadow> what/

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> i probably won't be on next sunday

[19:21] <ColdShadow> *what.

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> for i'm moving

[19:21] <ColdShadow> To...?

[19:21] <ZeroDXZ> Stevens Point Wisconsin

[19:22] <ColdShadow> what part of the U.S are you in

[19:22] <ZeroDXZ> my Grandmas old home

[19:22] <ColdShadow> I'm in eastern

[19:22] <ZeroDXZ> WI

[19:22] <ColdShadow> dont say the state

[19:22] <ThatGuyNamedMike> oooooooh, cold up there.

[19:22] <ColdShadow> the reigon

[19:22] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Freezing, actually.

[19:22] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> ...Okay...I'll ask again later.  So tell me, Adrian, if a bunch of elemental classes are getting their own specific buff/debuff skills...why would we ever use the neutral equivalents?

[19:22] <ColdShadow> Eastern, central

[19:22] <ColdShadow> Mikey,

[19:22] <ZeroDXZ> Northern of the us

[19:22] <ColdShadow> i am near Kentucky, like next to it...

[19:22] <ColdShadow> and i'm getting packed with sno

[19:22] <ColdShadow> *snow

[19:22] <AdrianMarceau> @CHAOS The entire sheet is recoloured and the slices are saved in a separate directory.  It makes using them in-game and referencing them in the code for the community and other places much easier

[19:23] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:23] <ZeroDXZ> oh

[19:23] <ColdShadow> so i'm gonna get some time with you guys... anyway

[19:23] <ZeroDXZ> hi adrian

[19:23] <ZeroDXZ> *bows* didn't see you there

[19:23] <ColdShadow> (I'D LIKE SOME FOOD CAKE! lol street fighter voicing... meme)

[19:23] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I thought so; I just wasn't positive.  That would make a skin like the old 4MI Toad I wanted impossible, wouldn't it?

[19:23] <ColdShadow> anyway, COLD SHADOW OUT!

[19:23] <ZeroDXZ> (it's called POUND CAKE!)

[19:24] <ColdShadow> (ok)

[19:24] <ZeroDXZ> *ahem*

[19:24] <ZeroDXZ> *pulls out a piece of paper*i have my ideas ready

[19:24] <AdrianMarceau> Not impossible, because they're new sheets I can technically do whatever I want.  It's just faster as a recolour (for now).  Roll, Disco, and Rhythm obviously break this rule but they're special.  :P

[19:24] <ZeroDXZ> Judge Marceau

[19:25] <ThatGuyNamedMike> So, anyway, does anyone else have suggestions, or should I start, now?

[19:25] <ZeroDXZ> i have some

[19:25] <MegaBossMan> Sorry, did I miss anything?

[19:25] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I see.  Very well; I'll try to keep that in mind.

[19:25] <TheDoc> No

[19:25] <ZeroDXZ> if Judge Marceau is gonna listen

[19:25] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Nah. DXZ's about to go, next.

[19:25] <MegaBossMan> Zero apparently has a few.

[19:25] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I have something first, Mike, but I'll let Zero take the field.

[19:25] <ZeroDXZ> i'll start only if Adrian is ready

[19:25] <ColdShadow> so every other minute check and...

[19:25] <MegaBossMan> So, Zero, Chaos, Mike will be the order?

[19:25] <ColdShadow> Anyway

[19:25] <MegaBossMan> Alrighty then.

[19:25] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Yeah.

[19:25] <AdrianMarceau> And also, the elemental buff/debuff skills are obviously going to be better in a lot of circumstances, but that doesn't make them better than neutral per-se.

[19:26] <ColdShadow> see ya at 7:30, guys, adrian

[19:26] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:26] <TheDoc> We're ready Zero

[19:26] <MegaBossMan> Zero, go ahead.

[19:26] <MegaBossMan> Take the podium.

[19:26] <ZeroDXZ> *sets paper down*

[19:26] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I know that unless they're psychotic like me, people will tend to play into the weaknesses more often than not.

[19:27] <AdrianMarceau> The biggest strength of elemental abilities is also their biggest weakness.  Being at the whims of field multipliers and weakness/resistances is a two way street

[19:27] <AdrianMarceau> and the starforce!

[19:27] <MegaBossMan> Good old Starforce.

[19:27] <ZeroDXZ> ok,....for starters i believe the Recolors look especially well,.......however,...the one i find that stands out from the rest is Discos Alternative Color Scheme,...which looks like Bass's Color Scheme

[19:27] <ZeroDXZ> just a compliment on that one

[19:27] <ZeroDXZ> ^-^'

[19:27] <MegaBossMan> Rhythm will be proud.

[19:27] <ColdShadow> and back

[19:28] <ThatGuyNamedMike> "Good" old Star Force? :P

[19:28] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> That was the point.  Disco's resembles Bass; Roll's resembles Mega Man; and...I think Rhythm has one that resembles Proto.

[19:28] <ColdShadow> One thing is that i get better and better with image posting...

[19:28] <MegaBossMan> That red one?

[19:28] <ColdShadow> (so thats a thing)

[19:28] <MegaBossMan> Alright, Zero, continue.

[19:28] <ZeroDXZ> *ahem* anyways,...next the presentation of the Core-Guard sounds pretty useful however

[19:28] <ZeroDXZ> i have one thing to ask

[19:28] <TheDoc> Core guard is scrapped

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> Coreguard's been kicked.

[19:29] <ColdShadow> strange...

[19:29] <ColdShadow> There is

[19:29] <ZeroDXZ> ah

[19:29] <ZeroDXZ> ok

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> Out into the bucket.

[19:29] <ColdShadow> these cores

[19:29] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Core Guard is kill.

[19:29] <ColdShadow> Big ones

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> I'll miss it :(

[19:29] <ColdShadow> idk what it is

[19:29] <ColdShadow> These big core guards

[19:29] <ColdShadow> it looks like

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> It doesn't mean anything anymore.

[19:29] <TheDoc> Could be worse. GB skins could've be scrapped

[19:29] <ColdShadow> in the ability database

[19:29] <TheDoc> Oh wait..............

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> ...

[19:29] <MegaBossMan> Always with the GB.

[19:29] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I'm getting to that, Doc.

[19:29] <TheDoc> I'm so sorry

[19:29] <ColdShadow> GB resprite?

[19:30] <MegaBossMan> No resprite.

[19:30] <MegaBossMan> Zero, your next thing.

[19:30] <ZeroDXZ> ok

[19:30] <ZeroDXZ> i know this is a long stretch

[19:30] <ColdShadow> brb

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> but i had ideas for Zero

[19:31] <MegaBossMan> Nope, sorry.

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> the phrases at least

[19:31] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Oh, jeez.

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> and the sprites

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> hey

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> i said a 'long stretch'

[19:31] <MegaBossMan> Maybe in the future, but we'll focus on that when the time comes.

[19:31] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> No X character is ever getting in.  This has been said multiple times.

[19:31] <MegaBossMan> Pretty please?

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> it doesn't have to be used for the game

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[19:31] <MegaBossMan> We know, Xtreme 2, I know.

[19:31] <TheDoc> ADRIAN NUUUUUUU

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> ,,,

[19:31] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Oh, no!  Adrian is dead!

[19:31] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Awwww.

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> -_-

[19:31] <MegaBossMan> He's meeting with the counsel, don't worry guys.

[19:31] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Rest in Pizza.

[19:31] <MegaBossMan> To decide our fate.

[19:31] <ZeroDXZ> k

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[19:32] <MegaBossMan> Either we live...Or we-

[19:32] <AdrianMarceau> Sorry guys, window froze.

[19:32] <MegaBossMan> Short meeting with the counsel.

[19:32] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> ...How can he meet with the Galactic Council when the Galactic Council has been retconned?

[19:32] <TheDoc> Rest in pizza hahahahahahaha

[19:32] <TheDoc> Sorry I....just saw that

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> ..

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> -_-

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> ahem anyways

[19:32] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Actually, I address that, today, Chaos.

[19:32] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Wait for my turn.

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> scrap that then

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> next idea

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> the thought of trill

[19:32] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> You'd best not be mucking up what I want to write.

[19:32] <ZeroDXZ> seriously,...Trill?

[19:33] <MegaBossMan> Trill's a good idea.

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> why are we adding another character that's like Slur

[19:33] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Yeah, Trill.  From the...what was it, Battle Network anime?

[19:33] <AdrianMarceau> Did Chaos see the planned mission layout with all the bosses accounted for?

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> and not working on slur??

[19:33] <MegaBossMan> I don't believe so.

[19:33] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> No, Adrian; no one tells me anything?

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> i say againb

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> *again

[19:33] <ZeroDXZ> why are we not working on Slur?

[19:33] <AdrianMarceau> It was pretty rough looking and hard to understand, so I didn't post it on the community

[19:33] <AdrianMarceau> Just in the chat one night, here I'll find a link..

[19:33] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> PM me, then?

[19:34] <MegaBossMan> We are working on Slur.

[19:34] <ZeroDXZ> ok

[19:34] <AdrianMarceau> No, I can put it here for others who missed

[19:34] <MegaBossMan> First January meeting.

[19:34] <AdrianMarceau> and ZeroDX, I'm sorry I'll let you go in a moment

[19:34] <ZeroDXZ> ....alright then Your Honor

[19:35] <MegaBossMan> http://pastebin.com/fLYdwexf

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> Before you look at this, try to remember how missions LOOK on the main menu

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> they're separated into little boxes in rows and columns

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> the max rows I can show are three

[19:35] <Tobyjoey> Well, mentlegen, I must be off. Tally-ho!

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> and each doctor has different missions in their version of the storyline

[19:35] <ZeroDXZ> ....

[19:35] <TheDoc> C ya ToB

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> Toby!

[19:35] <ColdShadow> k back

[19:35] <MegaBossMan> Dovidenja Toby.

[19:35] <AdrianMarceau> I wanted to say I liked your idea and I'll think about it.  :)

[19:36] <MegaBossMan> Yay!

[19:36] <ColdShadow> so, anyway

[19:36] <ColdShadow> Are we ever gonna have big bosses?

[19:36] <MegaBossMan> No.

[19:36] <ColdShadow> Or co-op matches

[19:36] <MegaBossMan> We've discussed this before.

[19:36] <ZeroDXZ> Cold

[19:36] <ColdShadow> i know...

[19:36] <AdrianMarceau> Let me know if you have questions about the link, Chaos - the slashes represent the different doctor's missions in that slot

[19:36] <ZeroDXZ> we already have a Big Boss

[19:36] <AdrianMarceau> http://rpg.megamanpoweredup.net/images/gallery/previews/ideas-not-final/mission-progression-by-chapter.txt

[19:36] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Why would King accompany Doc Robot, though?

[19:36] <ColdShadow> Co-op matches seems new.

[19:36] <ZeroDXZ> i saw one

[19:36] <AdrianMarceau> So yes, Zero, continue

[19:36] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Yellow Devil is just too huge. Too much work for Adrian.

[19:36] <ZeroDXZ> in the link Mega posted

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> Doc Robot is counted as one

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> may not be big

[19:37] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Besides, Normal-sized Bosses look more menacing, anyway. :P

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> but a wily-bot that's not even considered one

[19:37] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Cosmo Man is the final boss now?  And what the devil is the Omega Weapon?

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> but 4! or 8!

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> in one

[19:37] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:37] <MegaBossMan> Cosmo Man

[19:37] <MegaBossMan> Final Boss

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> Chaoz

[19:37] <MegaBossMan> Heh

[19:37] <ZeroDXZ> play Mega-Man 8-Bit Deathmatch till the end

[19:37] <ColdShadow> ok

[19:38] <ColdShadow> you guys almost done?

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> Omega Weapon was tough for me

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> anyways

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> my last idea

[19:38] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Son, I've played MM8BDM since before you know what it was.  I beat the Genesis Unit the day it came out.  There is no Omega Weapon in that game.

[19:38] <AdrianMarceau> @Chaos - You'll notice you first fight Slur

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> *slams desk yelling 'Take That'*

[19:38] <ColdShadow> (Whos after zero)

[19:38] <MegaBossMan> Chaos.

[19:38] <TheDoc> @Chaos lol

[19:38] <ColdShadow> brb

[19:38] <AdrianMarceau> @Chaos and then Omega Slur, and then Omega Weapon

[19:38] <MegaBossMan> I think he means Omega?

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> The Dark Spires

[19:38] <ZeroDXZ> were these scrapped as well?

[19:38] <ColdShadow> Just  tell me when your done

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[19:39] <MegaBossMan> Dark Spires aren't entirely scrapped.

[19:39] <AdrianMarceau> That's on purpose, Cosmo Man grows tired of Slur's repeated failurs and uses the leftover pieces of Omega Slur's body to create an "Omega Weapon" entity for the battle

[19:39] <TheDoc> @Zero did you read this? http://pastebin.com/H9nyVXu6

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[19:39] <MegaBossMan> [He wasn't too happy about Slur's progress....]

[19:39] <AdrianMarceau> Same with Trill

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[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:40] <MegaBossMan> Aah, poor Trill.

[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:40] <MegaBossMan> It was just following orders...

[19:40] <AdrianMarceau> The four batteries are the bodies of the defeated Trills

[19:40] <MegaBossMan> :P

[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> ....

[19:40] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> ok

[19:40] <ColdShadow> so...

[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> true last Idea

[19:40] <ThatOneEnderMan> .......

[19:40] <ColdShadow> can i ask somethings?

[19:40] <ZeroDXZ> *slams desk and points saying 'Hold It!'*

[19:40] <ColdShadow> who's after zero?

[19:40] <AdrianMarceau> Okay let's let Zero and Cold have a turn

[19:40] <MegaBossMan> Chaos.

[19:41] <MegaBossMan> Alright Zero, finish.

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> the idea with the 'robots' instead of the actual robot-master showing

[19:41] <AdrianMarceau> \And then after that, you two need to respect OUR turns

[19:41] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> And what is that "weapon" supposed to be?  No one's been telling me anything about the plotline since I heard the Galactic Council was out the door--and I gotta be honest, I considered Cosmo Man and the Planet Men a footnote in comparison to them.

[19:41] <MegaBossMan> The council isn't out.

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> ......i find it fun

[19:41] <TheDoc> And suddenly Chaos

[19:41] <ColdShadow> *Cold Picks up Staff and Goes, Alright, but just u wait*

[19:41] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> to find out who the master is in-game

[19:41] <ColdShadow> brb...

[19:41] <AdrianMarceau> They are a footnote

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> instead of the main menu

[19:41] <ColdShadow> tell me when it's my turn

[19:41] <AdrianMarceau> But they're what we're committing to right now

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> anyways

[19:41] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I was told the Council was gone because of Archie.

[19:41] <ZeroDXZ> those are my ideas

[19:42] <MegaBossMan> It's 4 robots.

[19:42] <ZeroDXZ> and i have 'won' my case

[19:42] <MegaBossMan> Not the whole council.

[19:42] <AdrianMarceau> Okay, Zero and Cold, sorry, I'll answer Chaos afterward

[19:42] <MegaBossMan> Zero, what was your last idea again?

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> The Hidden Robots

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> or

[19:43] <MegaBossMan> Oh.

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> 'The Random Robots' for player battles

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> to have them not show until in game

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> it sounds kinda fun

[19:43] <ColdShadow> zero

[19:43] <ZeroDXZ> it's like 'Guess Who?'

[19:43] <MegaBossMan> Alrighty, Cold, did you have something?

[19:44] <ColdShadow> well, one thing before i start

[19:44] <ColdShadow> after this, we done?

[19:44] <ColdShadow> anyway

[19:44] <MegaBossMan> Nope, Chaos, and then Mike.

[19:44] <TheDoc> Zero, I'm glad that you like the ideas, but please only take the podium if you have a question or idea

[19:44] <ColdShadow> eh, anyway, so... i was gonna ask adrian

[19:44] <ColdShadow> how do you get all of this out in just 3 years?

[19:44] <ZeroDXZ> *nervous look*i did give ideas

[19:45] <MegaBossMan> He programs a lot.

[19:45] <ColdShadow> yeah

[19:45] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Mountain Dew and hope.  =P

[19:45] <ColdShadow> but he works

[19:45] <TheDoc> I was talking about the last comment specifically. No biggie :)

[19:45] <ColdShadow> i drink pepsi

[19:45] <ColdShadow> so same company

[19:45] <ZeroDXZ> Yeah,... actually i think many of us know he's friends with us on Facebook...or something

[19:45] <MegaBossMan> And he programs when he has free days.

[19:45] <ZeroDXZ> sorry,...to point something out

[19:45] <ColdShadow> anyway, chaos?

[19:45] <ColdShadow> re checking in a bit

[19:46] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I'm waiting for Adrian's response, since it seems he left a thought unfinished.

[19:47] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:47] <MegaBossMan> You might have to wait a while.

[19:47] <TheDoc> He's not wrong

[19:47] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Waiting is one of my many useful skills.

[19:47] <TheDoc> Well not me :) Mikey?

[19:47] <ZeroDXZ> Chaoz

[19:47] <ZeroDXZ> how are you so good at Sprite Comics?

[19:48] <MegaBossMan> Does anyone have something more...Direct?

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> those Sprites of the Mega-Man characters look really good

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> or,....is it all spread sheet material?

[19:48] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *raises hand*

[19:48] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Are you mistaking me for someone else?  I...don't make sprite comics.

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> ah

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> sorry

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> yeah

[19:48] <TheDoc> *high-fives Mikey's hand*

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> it's been a while,.....seeing it's Rhythm_BCA

[19:48] <MegaBossMan> He means Rhythm.

[19:48] <ZeroDXZ> my bad,...been a long while since i've been in the meeting again

[19:48] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Are you perhaps thinking of Rhythm?  If so, that's because he's practiced the art for a good while.  And even then, he's not the greatest spriter around.

[19:49] <MegaBossMan> Seems Zion will be joining us

[19:49] <AdrianMarceau> About the "Guess Who?" idea, it's already implemented.  I think there's a screenshot somewhere in that preview folder.  :)

[19:49] <ColdShadow> "The zion"

[19:49] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I suppose in lieu of waiting for a response, I can play my small, meager hand.

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[19:50] <MegaBossMan> Hey there.

[19:50] <TheDoc> Hello Zion

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> Here's a better link for the gallery, let me know if it doesn't work

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> http://rpg.megamanpoweredup.net/images/index.php?sfpg=Z2FsbGVyeS9wcmV2aWV3cy8qKjg0MDg5ZDQxM2RjMWI5ZWUzMTFmNzE5ZTJjMWQxOGY3

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> Now for Chaos

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> You are right, Archie is the reason they were scrapped

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> But not completely scrapped

[19:50] <TheZion> Hey

[19:50] <AdrianMarceau> Their data is still technically in the game, just hidden until we figure out what to do

[19:50] <MegaBossMan> Last time I heard, they were only on hold.

[19:50] <ColdShadow> sup zion

[19:51] <TheZion> sup

[19:51] <AdrianMarceau> For now, we mention that there is a council in-game, and we are made aware that Slur and Trill are part of it and that Cosmo Man (and Planet Men) are above Slur in some way, but that's it.

[19:51] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> How is that different?

[19:51] <MegaBossMan> By the way Adrian, Zion is trying to apply to be a spriter here.

[19:51] <AdrianMarceau> No, I mean hidden as in currently un-used

[19:52] <ThatGuyNamedMike> There'll still be a Galaxy Council, it'll just have to have new members......which I plan to address....when it's my turn.

[19:52] <AdrianMarceau> I didn't delete the files, but for the time being they will remain hidden and inaccessible

[19:52] <AdrianMarceau> potential future plot expansion DLC or something

[19:52] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Exactly.  How is that different from their not being there at all?  If Archie rules that it cannot happen, that's the end of them.

[19:52] <MegaBossMan> We're becoming Capcom.

[19:53] <TheZion> Ha!

[19:53] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Cancelling things?

[19:53] <AdrianMarceau> But the Archie thing threw our exact interpretation of that council into question and we need to wait to see what happens in their story before we take ours there

[19:53] <MegaBossMan> DLC story :P

[19:53] <MegaBossMan> We're still having a council, but we just need to see where this goes.

[19:53] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I've got no interest in retelling Archie's story, to be frank.

[19:53] <ColdShadow> i'm Rertired... if i'm in capcom

[19:53] <ThatGuyNamedMike> My idea has nothing to do with Archie. At all. I promise.

[19:54] <ColdShadow> i'm good ol' keji

[19:54] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:54] <AdrianMarceau> We will leave the story open for that in the future, but for now we needed a concrete set of missions to work towards and these are the only characters we could include that wouldn't contaminate the storyline

[19:54] <ZeroDXZ> ahem

[19:54] <MegaBossMan> *Archie introduces character known as Cosmo Man, breaks everything*

[19:54] <ZeroDXZ> we are not Cap-Com

[19:54]  * MegaBossMan shivers

[19:54] <ZeroDXZ> yet

[19:55] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Hear me out before dismissing the idea of the galaxy Gouncil. It won't disappoint. I promise.

[19:55] <ColdShadow> and your the great mighty "Co Code"

[19:55] <ZeroDXZ> the only exception is me

[19:55] <ZeroDXZ> yup

[19:55] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *Galaxy Council

[19:55] <ColdShadow> co code my butt

[19:55] <TheZion> soon?

[19:55] <ZeroDXZ> A.K.A Phoenix Wright in training

[19:55] <AdrianMarceau> I'm perfectly fine hinting towards their existance, but right now we can't put them in-game.  If you can work within that to Slur and Cosmo Man interesting, awesome, and if not?  Well..

[19:55] <MegaBossMan> Cold, focus.

[19:55] <ZeroDXZ> also i am CoCode

[19:55] <ZeroDXZ> i am trying my best as well as everyone,...heck so is Adrian

[19:56] <MegaBossMan> So, did we get that clear?

[19:56] <TheZion> I think so.

[19:56] <AdrianMarceau> Let's leave the council for a potential Delta Episode

[19:56] <ThatGuyNamedMike> @ Adrian: They'll remain completely unchanged, as will Trill, Duo and Planet Man. I'm actually referring to what WAS the REST of the Council.

[19:56] <AdrianMarceau> in the same was the entire cache chapter will be added as "DLC" later

[19:56] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> At a point like this, I personally would come to an ultimatum:  burn almost everything and start over, or ignore Archie and continue with my original plan.  But I'm not in charge here and God knows Mikey disagrees, so ignore me.

[19:56] <AdrianMarceau> Maybe not DLC, I guess, but an automatically downloaded expansion

[19:57] <MegaBossMan> I'm fine with just waiting.

[19:57] <TheZion> @ @CHAOS_FANTAZY Why in God's name would you start over?

[19:57] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:58] <TheZion> It's a valid question.

[19:58] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[19:58] <TheZion> What?

[19:58] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Because what we have is an ultimately incomplete idea from a plotline whose completion was struck down by Word of God.

[19:58] <TheDoc> Zero if you have something to say, don't just enter in dots

[19:59] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> But again.  I hold no authority anymore.

[19:59] <ZeroDXZ> 'Phoenix' has nothing to say

[19:59] <TheZion> Ah, I see.

[19:59] <AdrianMarceau> I don't think it's that bad, really

[19:59] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> But in lieu of that...alright, tiny little idea thing here.  Forget about the workload implied for just one second.  I can handle all of that myself.  How many of you...would like to see Alt Costumes...that reflect the Robots' original/NES-palette sprites?  (I suppose there are a few Robots that did stay faithful, though, and I'm not sure what I would do about them to keep equal numbers...)

[19:59] <MegaBossMan> Me neither.

[19:59] <TheZion> I would.

[19:59] <MegaBossMan> So, NES-inspired alts?

[19:59] <AdrianMarceau> If we go into the current scenario already knowing that this big-bad isn't the real big-bad, it leaves us open for the futrue

[19:59] <AdrianMarceau> *future

[20:00] <ZeroDXZ> hmhm

[20:00] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Yes, good old blue'n'orange Napalm-Man.

[20:00] <ZeroDXZ> perfect

[20:00] <ThatGuyNamedMike> No religious discussions. Also, that means that it's a prime taget for me to turn into garbage with my brilliant idea.

[20:00] <ColdShadow> so anyone else have stuff to say?

[20:00] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *prime target

[20:00] <MegaBossMan> Green Crystal Man.

[20:00]  * MegaBossMan shivers

[20:00] <ColdShadow> guys

[20:00] <MegaBossMan> Cold, Mike's still next.

[20:01] <TheZion> Good god. Green Crystal Man.

[20:01] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> If Adrian throws me a thumbs-up and a plan for guys like that, I can start that posthaste.

[20:01] <MegaBossMan> What would we do for 7 and 8?

[20:01] <AdrianMarceau> I'll consider NES colour alts, but if I'm being honest it'll be low priority - the ones I can fit into the story/campaign will have to be added first.  :/

[20:01] <TheZion> I would think most people would like to see that, Chaos.

[20:01] <MegaBossMan> Hmmm, I guess we could make our own palette.

[20:02] <MegaBossMan> Maybe just FC's version?

[20:02] <TheZion> Boss, how about inverted alts?

[20:02] <MegaBossMan> Bah, whatever.

[20:02] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I can do all the spritework; what would it be to you?

[20:02] <ZeroDXZ> ....

[20:02] <ZeroDXZ> very nice

[20:02] <ZeroDXZ> homage to the NES

[20:02] <ZeroDXZ> and other Robot Masters

[20:03] <ZeroDXZ> sounds very, very intruiging

[20:03] <TheZion> It is a good idea.

[20:03] <AdrianMarceau> Well it's mostly a programming thing.  All the alt costumes are names sequentially

[20:03] <ColdShadow> BRB

[20:03] <TheZion> Chaos, I could help with some of the workload, with Adrian's permission, of course.

[20:03] <AdrianMarceau> And this makes it easy for me to work with in the code - single battles are alt1, double battles are alt2, theortical triple battles are alt3, etc.

[20:04] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Hmph.  I understand.

[20:04] <MegaBossMan> So, did we get that across?

[20:04] <AdrianMarceau> So I'm hesitant to start throwing non-campaign related alts in there are messing with the sequence - preventing me from adding more story-related ones in the future without messing with the ordering

[20:05] <TheDoc> Would this be made in time for the update?

[20:05] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Well, would it really?  You could give them a different designation that has nothing to do with it--call them, like, [Robot Name]-NES or something.

[20:05] <AdrianMarceau> I'm sure I can figure it out and manually program it to know that "alt6" for so-and-so robot is actually just an homage to NES and don't use it, and the "alt4" for so-and-so is an homage to this fangame, etc... I just don't want to yet.

[20:05] <AdrianMarceau> that's very true

[20:05] <AdrianMarceau> Hmmm

[20:06] <MegaBossMan> [Robot Name]-GB?

[20:06] <AdrianMarceau> I don't want to say "yes" to anything until I've made it possible in the code.  Otherwise you might be wasting your time (again).  :(

[20:06] <MegaBossMan> *Sigh* I'll just keep on dreaming.

[20:06] <AdrianMarceau> I already did that to BossMan

[20:06] <TheZion> It'll happen someday.

[20:06]  * MegaBossMan 's heart breaks

[20:06] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I have time to wait.

[20:07]  * TheDoc cries with MBM

[20:07]  * MegaBossMan looks at picture of Toad Man GB

[20:07]  * MegaBossMan cries more

[20:07]  * TheDoc bawls

[20:07] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Please be sure you get back to me on that, though.  I really, really like some of the original sprite palette choices (I'm lookin' at you, Napalm-Man).

[20:07] <TheZion> Hahaha

[20:07] <ColdShadow> back

[20:07] <ColdShadow> how do you do

[20:07] <ColdShadow> *

[20:08] <ColdShadow> *ColdShadow

[20:08] <MegaBossMan> So, are we ready to get to Mike?

[20:08] <ColdShadow> guys

[20:08] <TheDoc> Yep

[20:08] <ColdShadow> * ready?

[20:08] <ColdShadow> ???

[20:08] <ColdShadow> cant do it!

[20:08]  * MegaBossMan tucks wet hankerchief into pocket

[20:08] <ColdShadow> *

[20:08] <ColdShadow> guys

[20:08] <TheZion> I'm here.

[20:08] <MegaBossMan> It doesn't matter.

[20:08] <ColdShadow> how do you do it

[20:08] <TheZion> Do what?

[20:08] <ColdShadow> * help

[20:08] <MegaBossMan> You'll figure it out some other time, let's get to Mike.

[20:08] <ColdShadow> *

[20:09] <ColdShadow> * Cold is ready

[20:09] <TheZion> Zion is ready.

[20:09] <ColdShadow> *lets go*

[20:09] <MegaBossMan> Mike, go ahead when ready.

[20:09] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Fire when ready.

[20:09] <ColdShadow> Flame sword u[

[20:09] <MegaBossMan> I'm reggie for it.

[20:09] <ColdShadow> *up

[20:10] <ColdShadow> better put up the flame shield

[20:10] <TheZion> I'm reggae.

[20:10] <MegaBossMan> Oops, I mean ready. Just go ahead Mike.

[20:10] <AdrianMarceau> Okay, going MIA for a little while but will obviously catch up when I'm done.  Sorry, Sundays are get-stuff-done-before-the-week days.

[20:10] <ColdShadow> Cold is ready for action

[20:10] <ColdShadow> MIA???

[20:10] <ColdShadow> ?

[20:10] <TheZion> Adrian, is it okay if I help sprite?

[20:10] <MegaBossMan> Missing in action.

[20:10] <ThatGuyNamedMike> mmmkay, firstly, I'd like to address this:

[20:11] <ColdShadow> oh.. k

[20:11] <MegaBossMan> Zion, I'll mention that in the Gmail I send with the Pastebin.

[20:11] <ThatGuyNamedMike> http://pastebin.com/gJyjCi4u

[20:11] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[20:11] <ZeroDXZ> back from Defense Attorneying for a while

[20:11] <TheZion> Alright.

[20:11] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:12] <TheZion> Difficulty settings?

[20:12] <ColdShadow> Codes anyone?

[20:12] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I personally do not believe that Prototype needs a difficulty system. Any RPG game with a reasonable difficulty curve--see Paper Marios 1 and 2--doesn't need adjustable diff levels.

[20:12] <ColdShadow> remember the code mechanics?

[20:12] <MegaBossMan> He's going to talk about how the math doesn't wokr.

[20:12] <TheZion> Check the Pastebin.

[20:12] <ColdShadow> guys... :/

[20:12] <ColdShadow> dude

[20:12] <MegaBossMan> Cold, stay on topic.

[20:12] <TheDoc> Cold it's Mikey's turn

[20:13] <ColdShadow> alright geez anyway

[20:13] <TheZion> Mike has a point.

[20:13] <MegaBossMan> Personally, I know plenty of people who want an easy mode in this game.

[20:13] <ColdShadow> meh

[20:13] <MegaBossMan> And a hard mode for the later stuff.

[20:13] <ColdShadow> I could use a little easier

[20:14] <ColdShadow> Easier for a alt

[20:14] <TheZion> However, I'm one to talk, since I've already finished the main stoyry.

[20:14] <TheZion> *story

[20:14] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[20:14] <ThatGuyNamedMike> The first chapter--point blank and simple--is supposed to be beginner friendly. The last chapter--point blank and simple--is supposed to test what you've learned without still treating you like a beginner. If the chapters in between carefully make the incline the right way, the game can still be an enjoyable experience for beginners and pros alike.

[20:15] <ThatGuyNamedMike> That's all I'll say on the diff system.

[20:15] <MegaBossMan> That's why the game is getting expanded on :)

[20:16] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> He makes a point.  Difficulty levels can seriously muddle the intended feeling of accomplishment that is supposed to accompany success.

[20:16] <TheZion> Guess that makes sense.

[20:17] <MegaBossMan> I know plenty of people who want some sort of difficulty system in this.

[20:17] <ColdShadow> Ok.

[20:17] <TheDoc> Well, then it comes down to opinion

[20:17] <TheDoc> Some people like being able to choose and some people don'

[20:17] <TheDoc> t*don't

[20:17] <ThatGuyNamedMike> The second thing I want to address is the length of the game itself.

[20:17] <TheDoc> *don't

[20:17] <ColdShadow> ?

[20:18] <TheZion> Cold Shadow, you messaged me?

[20:18] <ColdShadow> (just reply dont ask)

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[20:18] <ColdShadow> (pls)

[20:18] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I keep counting it, and I keep coming to the same conclusion, MM's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8.5 [MM&B], 9 and 10 make for 11 games.

[20:19] <ThatGuyNamedMike> You can't divide that by 3, and the Droids are Bosses, so, MMV doesn't count.

[20:19] <TheZion> (i dont know how.

[20:19] <ColdShadow> (just click it and reply)

[20:20] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:20] <AdrianMarceau> (Note how MM3 doesn't appear in the mission list, and that's because MM3 and MM5 - 10 are Kalinka Shop DLC)

[20:20] <MegaBossMan> I was about to get to that.

[20:20] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I don't know what the plan is now, but long ago, Adrian told me the final product would not be split up by game.

[20:20] <TheZion> (Can't use this command in this window)

[20:20] <MegaBossMan> It's like getting Pokemans.

[20:20] <ThatGuyNamedMike> So, no matter what, the game is ALWAYS gonna be 5 chapters? (@ Adrian)

[20:21] <ColdShadow> (CLICK THE THING THAT SAYS MY NAME!!!)

[20:21] <MegaBossMan> Mike, story DLC?

[20:21] <MegaBossMan> Update?

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[20:21] <ZeroDXZ> *re-appeared*

[20:21] <ColdShadow> :/

[20:21] <ZeroDXZ> sorry,.....back from changing the diapers of my siblings

[20:22] <ColdShadow> uh...

[20:22] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I don't get it. I don't recall seeing an update where RM's outside of MM's 1, 2 and 4 are in the main storyline.

[20:22] <MegaBossMan> They're like your starters.

[20:23] <ColdShadow> (Boy am i glad i'm a only child. Zero your in your teens)

[20:23] <MegaBossMan> The rest are for you to collect.

[20:23] <ZeroDXZ> (16 close to 17 sir)

[20:23] <TheZion> (Look, I'm sorry, but I can't, my computer won't let me for some reason.)

[20:23] <ZeroDXZ> (and i plan on being a Defense Attorney)

[20:23] <ZeroDXZ> (if not then a Spriter)

[20:23] <ZeroDXZ> (for Minecraft Skins maybe

[20:23] <ColdShadow> (just click it

[20:23] <ColdShadow> (Just do it)

[20:24] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Anyway, I'll address this next week, let me get onto the main event.

[20:24] <AdrianMarceau> Just like now, MM1, 2, and 4 appear naturally in-game as part of the main storyline.  The other chapters (as outlines in the mission document) have OTHER robots appearing as baddies (genesis unit, stardroids, etc.)

[20:24] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Oh, wait. One more before that.

[20:24] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Tails brought this one to my attention:

[20:25] <AdrianMarceau> The MM3 and MM5 - 10 robot masters will only appear in Kalinka's Shop as optional DLC for those who want to shell out a few thousand zenny to play as their favourite character and increase their potential starforce.

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[20:25] <ThatGuyNamedMike> "There should be a subtle, quiet way for the game to let you know both who's beaten you AND who you've beaten since you've been away."

[20:25] <MegaBossMan> We used to have that, but....

[20:25] <MegaBossMan> Some people REALLY didn't like that.

[20:25] <ThatGuyNamedMike> this refers to Player Battles, obviously.

[20:26] <MegaBossMan> Maybe some sort of tab?

[20:26] <ColdShadow> easy. i could get 5000Z.

[20:26] <AdrianMarceau> The MM3 and 5-10 bots also appear as targets in starforce missions (where the elemental energy attracts them) but that's it.

[20:26] <ColdShadow> I've gotten more.

[20:26] <MegaBossMan> It could have an alert next to it, like (1).

[20:26] <MegaBossMan> Kinda like in the Community, but in-game.

[20:26] <MegaBossMan> And when I mean tab, I mean something like "Robots" "Doctors", and the like.

[20:26] <TheDoc> Or you toggle "Push Notifications" on or off

[20:27] <TheDoc> Nvm that's not very subtle

[20:27] <TheDoc> Ignore me

[20:27] <AdrianMarceau> I was actually thinking of doing that do.  Not only would it be less annoying, it would also mean you have a history of all the battles (which would be pretty great).

[20:27] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> I dunno; to anyone that hasn't grinded Fusion Fields, raising money to get those new fields is way more trouble than it's worth.

[20:27] <MegaBossMan> Which one?

[20:27] <TheDoc> Probably the DLC thing

[20:27] <ZeroDXZ> ..

[20:27] <MegaBossMan> I would think the economy would lower as more fields get added.

[20:27] <ZeroDXZ> -ahem-

[20:27] <MegaBossMan> "Supply and Demand"

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[20:28] <ColdShadow> Do i have any ideas you take into consideration? (Only for adrian to reply)

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[20:28] <ZeroDXZ> and back again

[20:28] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> That principle doesn't apply if every product is unique.

[20:28] <ZeroDXZ> from the making of a Strawberry Milk Bottle

[20:28] <ZeroDXZ> -_-'

[20:28] <MegaBossMan> But would you want to pay 48,000 for each field?

[20:28] <ColdShadow> :/

[20:29] <MegaBossMan> I mean, that's quite a list of fields.

[20:29] <ColdShadow> RM fields were 18000

[20:29] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[20:29] <MegaBossMan> They are?

[20:29] <ColdShadow> Of what i remember

[20:29] <ColdShadow> i thought

[20:29] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I'll make a Topic about this, and we'll discuss it there. I gotta get my last idea out before Adrian leaves. :P

[20:30] <TheZion> He's got a point.

[20:30] <ThatGuyNamedMike> This one concerns the retconned Galaxy Council Members.

[20:30] <ColdShadow> Mikey didnt say anything... he just said that

[20:30] <TheDoc> @TheZion you're gonna have to be more specific

[20:30] <ThatGuyNamedMike> In particular, Solo and Trio's 3 forms.

[20:30] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[20:31] <ColdShadow> Yah

[20:31] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:31] <ThatGuyNamedMike> Instead of nixing the idea of a Galaxy council because of Archie, why name simple make original Galaxy Council members all our own?

[20:31] <ThatGuyNamedMike> *simply make

[20:31] <TheDoc> *not

[20:31] <TheZion> @ TheDoc I meant MegaBossMan's last two comments.

[20:32] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I even have ideas for names:

[20:32] <MegaBossMan> [Musical terms?]

[20:32] <TheZion> Probably.

[20:32]  * Spinstrike_ kicks down the door.

[20:32] <TheDoc> Staccato :D

[20:32] <MegaBossMan> Better be.

[20:32] <Spinstrike_> I'm back!

[20:32] <ColdShadow> Spin

[20:32]  * TheDoc is flattened by Spinstrike

[20:32] <MegaBossMan> Crescendo?

[20:32] <ColdShadow> How do you do the * thing with that

[20:33] <ThatGuyNamedMike> For Female members, I've come up with, Soprano, Mezzo, Symphony, Harmonica [Harmony for short], Pop, and Jazz.

[20:33] <TheDoc> RITARDANDO

[20:33] <MegaBossMan> Woah, take it slow there, Doc!

[20:33] <ColdShadow> what about Tempo?

[20:33] <MegaBossMan> [Hehehe I'm so funny]

[20:33] <TheDoc> Sorry.

[20:33] <Spinstrike_> @ColdShadow Hit forward slash, then type "me" (no commas).

[20:33] <TheDoc> I could swear Tempo's taken

[20:33] <ZeroDXZ> ....

[20:33] <ColdShadow> -me

[20:33]  * ColdShadow

[20:33] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:33] <TheZion> Allegro

[20:33] <ThatGuyNamedMike> For Male members, I've come up with Major, Kazoo, Snare, Baritone, Clef, and Octave. These are just examples, of course.

[20:34] <ColdShadow> Tempo...  do we have that

[20:34] <TheDoc> I'm sorry but I cannot upvote Kazoo

[20:34] <TheZion> Dynamo

[20:34] <ColdShadow> What about

[20:34] <MegaBossMan> I used to be a pretty great Baritonemyself.

[20:34] <@CHAOS_FANTAZY> Tempo is Quake-Woman, so that's not happening.

[20:34] <MegaBossMan> *Baritone myself

[20:34] <ThatGuyNamedMike> There. Unless there's any questions........?

[20:34] <ColdShadow> -me Is thinking about music!

[20:34] <TheDoc> THAT'S where I heard it

[20:34]  * ColdShadow is thinking about music!!

[20:34] <MegaBossMan> I feel like it's a bit too much to replace 4 robots.

[20:34] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:34] <ColdShadow> Riff?

[20:34] <ColdShadow> isnt that one

[20:35] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:35] <TheZion> Boom

[20:35] <ColdShadow> Jazz

[20:35] <ThatGuyNamedMike> There's no robots to replace. They don't even have sprites.

[20:35] <ColdShadow> Jazz is one

[20:35] <TheZion> Ska or Soca

[20:35] <ThatGuyNamedMike> No bios, no sprites, no attacks no nothing. Just names.

[20:35] <TheDoc> Guys, Mikey already listed like 14 names. We're good

[20:35] <ColdShadow> Jazz, we got Blues (proto man)

[20:35] <Spinstrike_> Funk?

[20:35] <TheZion> So? It couldn't hurt to have more.\

[20:35] <ColdShadow> Then, pop as a girl

[20:36] <ColdShadow> Hip hop and pop

[20:36] <MegaBossMan> Alright, I think we all get the idea.

[20:36] <Spinstrike_> Chord? Synth?

[20:36] <MegaBossMan> Also, we need a robot master that's two.

[20:36] <MegaBossMan> Ah, I'll explain that some other time.

[20:36] <ColdShadow> anyway

[20:36] <MegaBossMan> Alright, anyone have any questions about anything?

[20:37] <ColdShadow> meeting...  Adjourned?

[20:37] <ColdShadow> one thing

[20:37] <ColdShadow> I want the co-op things and A big arena but whatever

[20:37] <TheDoc> I'm still iffy on RMs' diversity, but I'll wait until the stats are finalized

[20:37] <ColdShadow> so...

[20:37] <TheZion> For the robot master that's two, call him Deux.

[20:37] <MegaBossMan> I'm not too big on the new core idea, but I'll just have to see it in action.

[20:38] <ColdShadow> We can go to the Normal chat for The End!! and one RM, Quad

[20:38] <MegaBossMan> So.....

[20:38] <ColdShadow> we got Quint

[20:38] <ColdShadow> :P

[20:38] <TheDoc> Meeting adjourned

[20:38] <MegaBossMan> Meeting Adjourned?

[20:38] <ColdShadow> yes

[20:38] <MegaBossMan> Aye.

[20:38] <ColdShadow> And  Normal chat for aftermath

[20:38] <MegaBossMan> Alright, I'll be PBing.

[20:38] <ColdShadow> PB?

[20:38] <MegaBossMan> Pastebin.

[20:39] <ThatGuyNamedMike> I'm in the Xat if anyone needs me.

[20:39] <ColdShadow> k

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[20:39] <TheZion> adjourned.

[20:39] <ColdShadow> same with mike

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[20:39] <ColdShadow> Zion

[20:39] <ColdShadow> Join...

[20:39] <ColdShadow> with us

[20:39] <ZeroDXZ> ...

[20:39] <ColdShadow> Zero

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[20:39] <MegaBossMan> Alright, all of you, skedaddle.

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[20:39] <TheZion> Who says I haven't already?

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[20:39] <Spinstrike_> Guess I'll be going. Sorry I couldn't participate more. :(

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[20:39] <MegaBossMan> Get off my lawn!

[20:39] <MegaBossMan> Wait, I don't have a lawn anymore.

[20:39] <ZeroDXZ> ...

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[20:40] <TheZion> Haha


[20:40] <MegaBossMan> Stay off my non-existent lawn!