#Erisia: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#Erisia: ~workshop add Rock Polish Regice
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice added
+nv: ~workshop add Floatzel
@BB-8-NU: Only the workshop host or a Room Moderator can add Pokemon
 orphic: focus blast, ice beam, tbolt ez
+nv: -
 lucianvega: lol
#Erisia: ~workshop add Floatzel
@BB-8-NU: Floatzel added
 lucianvega: garb is perfect next
 eternally: fpoa are you shadestep
 fpoa: yes
@nv: Yea
 lucianvega: it
@eternally: k, just checking lol
@nv: I agree with Garb
 lucianvega: checks fighting and grass types for core
@nv: ^
@eternally: yeah garb sounds good
@lucianvega: and sets up spikes which is good for regice
#Erisia: which set? offensive or defensive?
@lucianvega: lets use regice as both pivot and late game cleaner, to check things like lilli
@lucianvega: defensive garb is best
@orphic: defensive with this core imo
@orphic: we need it to check stuff
@orphic: also absorbing tspikes is essential here too
#Erisia: true
 Shadestep: u need a rock resist now
#Erisia: ~workshop add Def Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Def Garbodor added
 Shadestep: like licx
#Erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor
#Erisia: we also need rocks
@lucianvega: ye
 Shadestep: so lix
@nv: !dt mesprit
@nv: Imo
#Erisia: lix stacks fire weakness since we're not using bulky regic
 Low Ladder Heroes: mesprit brings psychic check/ground immunity
#Erisia: but a strong ground type sounds like good coverage
#Erisia: and an electric immune is nice
 cloudymarsh: how bout sandslash
 marcu5thebaw5: yo
 Shadestep: rhydon then?
@nv: Ew Sandslash
@nv: I like Rhydon
 Shadestep: sandslash suxx Cloudy ∞ Marsh
#Erisia: yeah either rhydon or golurk
@eternally: rip sandslash
 cloudymarsh: ;;
 cloudymarsh: ah forgot bout those
 cloudymarsh: probs golurk
@eternally: Golurk sounds cool, but Rhydon gives us a Fire-resist and a more reliable, secondary normal check
#Erisia: yeah as much as I normally dislike tank rhydon
#Erisia: it sounds like a really good fit here
@nv: ^
@lucianvega: uhhuhh
#Erisia: ~workshop add Tank Rhydon
@BB-8-NU: Tank Rhydon added
 Shadestep: whats wrong with tank rhydon? D:
#Erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon
#Erisia: nothing i'm just biased af
 Shadestep: oh ok=
#Erisia: so now we need a ground check
 Shadestep: and
 Shadestep: something for lanturn
#Erisia: and a stronger water resist
 Shadestep: like lilligant?
 Shadestep: o
 cloudymarsh: yeah
 cloudymarsh: sounds good
#Erisia: maybe a lure for lanturn
#Erisia: !ds grass type, nu
 lucijanvega: Rip my Pc
 lucijanvega: ;/
 Low Ladder Heroes: again?
 lucijanvega: Oops wrong alt
 cloudymarsh: lmao
#Erisia: lol abomasnow for hail core
@lucianvega: Yea again
 Shadestep: lucijuan
@eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon
@eternally: hmm
@lucianvega: hi
@lucianvega: We need magnortwr
 Shadestep: i kinda dig lilligant
 Shadestep: -
 Shadestep: what do we need magmortar for tho
@eternally: Yache Lilligant
@lucianvega: n we need to vover weakneeses
 Shadestep: to get even more 6-0d by fpoatzel?
@lucianvega: We also dont have good fire check
#Erisia: magmortar gives us much worse water/ground weaknesses
@lucianvega: Harveyama
 Low Ladder Heroes: pelipper?
@lucianvega: Wait till I get on Pc
@lucianvega: No pelipper wut lol
 Low Ladder Heroes: idk
@lucianvega: We cant run defog on spikes team
@eternally: Weezing > Garbodor and then add a Roselia
 Shadestep: why not.
@eternally: oh nvm double poison
@eternally: rip
 Shadestep: ive run defog and spikes
 Shadestep: before
 Shadestep: succesfully
@lucianvega: Its a rule for competitive
 Shadestep: :D
 Low Ladder Heroes: it works
@lucianvega: And ive been tutored like that from beggining
@eternally: its rule #3 in the Lucianvega competitive handbook
@orphic: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon
@lucianvega: We definitely need kabutops and check to dd don
 Low Ladder Heroes: If we go with spinners, we dont have that many in the tier
#Erisia: i'm actually feeling ludicolo
@lucianvega: Wr can choose from Pu
@lucianvega: Anyways Pc is fixed brb
@orphic: i feel like the best spinner in this situation might be claydol
 Shadestep: yeah ludicolo or lilligant works
#Erisia: but it's kind of redundant with floatzel I guess
 Shadestep: nah Erisia u overwhelm waterresists
#Erisia: what about replacing floatzel with ludicolo? and having another mon for speed control
@lucianvega: na not colo
@lucianvega: i think float is much better partner for regi
 Shadestep: why exactly?
@orphic: how so
@lucianvega: since it can reliable shot faster things
 Shadestep: both of them get walled by lanturn
@lucianvega: right away early game
#Erisia: yeah ludicolo breaks lantern for regice
@lucianvega: well since we r a bit weak to lanturn we r gonna need a water check
@nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon
#Erisia: what about swapping floatzel for ludicolo, then adding swallow + spinner
 Shadestep: i was thinking that too
@lucianvega: uh
 Shadestep: yo this ludi - garb - rhydon core looks exactly like a tennis team
 Shadestep: we could run sub ludicolo
 Shadestep: :D
@nv: ^
#Erisia: lol
@orphic: sub ludicolo no ty
 Shadestep: why not]
@orphic: you lose ice beam or rain dance
@orphic: both are crucial
 Shadestep: rain dance
 Shadestep: isnt that crucial
 Shadestep: on balanco
 Low Ladder Heroes: dont you lose speed control with rd?
@orphic: rd?
#Erisia: room driver B)
 Low Ladder Heroes: without*-
 Low Ladder Heroes: mb
 marcu5thebaw5: redirect
#Erisia: !dt rain dance
 Shadestep: rd = rain dance orphic
 Shadestep: lol
 marcu5thebaw5: yeah we probably lose speed control without it
 Shadestep: u could run bulky synth ludi.
@orphic: o ofc
@orphic: nah swellow would be our speed control tbh
@orphic: but i like the idea of having ludicolo as a wincon there too
@orphic: as well as regice
#Erisia: we could make two variants again if people wanted
@eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Floatzel / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon
@orphic: nty
 Shadestep: so were good on ludicolo?
@eternally: just throwing this out there, but guts swellow + regice is legit
@orphic: i don't like making two teams
 Shadestep: yea eternally
 Shadestep: or like
 Shadestep: mixed
@eternally: yea
 Shadestep: that sounds sickkk
@eternally: cause Specs just compounds the lanturn weakness
#Erisia: ~workshop remove Floatzel
@BB-8-NU: Floatzel removed
#Erisia: ~workshop add RD Ludicolo
@BB-8-NU: RD Ludicolo added
 Shadestep: how about a xatu
 Shadestep: ???
#Erisia: shadestep what's your rhydon spread again
 Shadestep: max hp 16+ atk
 Shadestep: 104 def
 Shadestep: rest in sdef
 Shadestep: 132 iirc
#Erisia: okay cool
#Erisia: so are we doing guts swallow? I like it
#Erisia: but if we run it we need a spinner
@eternally: yeah
 Shadestep: we could run scarf kabu last mayb as a spinner and a RK for things like tauros
@orphic: spinner = claydol
@orphic: do we still have garb actually
 Shadestep: ues
#Erisia: we have RD ludicolo so we could even do a different kabu set as spinner :p
@eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon / RD Ludicolo
 Shadestep: add swellow
@orphic: cos i actually prefer hitmonchan here for some priority
#Erisia: I like chan too
@nv: We need a serious Psychic check then
 imven0m: claydol
#Erisia: frost breath regice!!!
@orphic: claydol isn't a psychic check :(
 imven0m: it spins and resist no?
@eternally: our psychic check is Payapa berry garbodor with explosion
 Shadestep: -
 Shadestep: leave
@eternally: yeah, but it doesnt beat them imvenom
@orphic: yeah but they set up calm minds
#Erisia: also we have megahorn on rhydon which should be good for psyshock variants that lack energy ball
@orphic: and it doesn't do anything back
@eternally: In fact most psychic-types either set up Calm Minds on Claydol, or flat out beat it
@orphic: with ice beam n stuff
 imven0m: oh ok (I'm not the best player in the world, just here to spectate ^^)
 Shadestep: :)
@eternally: no worries :)
@eternally: brb 1 sec
#Erisia: http://hastebin.com/isejoloxis.md
#Erisia: this is the current swallow + hitmonchan variant
 Shadestep: no protect on swellow?
 imven0m: doesn't scarf jynx punch holes to this team?
#Erisia: we can run protect, I thought pursuit would be nice for rotom
 Shadestep: it does imVen0m, but regice __kinda__ deals with it
 Shadestep: i guess
#Erisia: 252 SpA Jynx Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Regice: 120-142 (39.8 - 47.1%)
@orphic: well the scarf variant just beats us though
#Erisia: 252 SpA Jynx Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Regice: 132-156 (43.8 - 51.8%)
@orphic: and rotom stays in vs physical swellow p sure
 Shadestep: but if it goes for psyshock u can switch in rhydon
 Shadestep: and if it goes for ice beam u can swtich in regice
 Shadestep: ifi it goes for focus blast u can switch in garbodor
 Shadestep: etc etc
 imven0m: and why pursuit for rotom? I mean if I were a rotom vs a swellow I'd make a slow volt switch?
#Erisia: and hitmonchan can revenge at any point with LO mach punch
#Erisia: I've changed it to protect
 imven0m: I mean swellow doesn't kill it so it doesn't need to switch?
#Erisia: ~workshop add Guts Swellow
@BB-8-NU: Guts Swellow added
 Shadestep: the special variant does imVen0m, which is whats most common
@orphic: yeah imVen0m i would too
 Shadestep: but yea tect is better
@nv: mfw using the inferior Swellow set lol
#Erisia: ~workshop add LO Hitmonchan
@BB-8-NU: LO Hitmonchan added
#Erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon / RD Ludicolo / Guts Swellow / LO Hitmonchan
#Erisia: http://hastebin.com/ibanucipaf.md
#Erisia: maybe give it a few test matches and see what happens?
 imven0m: Shadestep with what hit? I mean his two stabs are resisted/immuned
 Shadestep: scrappy boomburst
 espeon2016: Mind blown
 imven0m: (oh I forgot scrappy :o)
 espeon2016: lol
#Erisia: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nususpecttest-391592093
 imven0m: thx :)
 imven0m: While testing this are you on skype/teamspeak?
 Shadestep: nope
@lucianvega: no need
 imven0m: ok, that could be a cool idea ^^
@lucianvega: this could be first version http://hastebin.com/ririyohizu.md
@eternally: back
@eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Rock Polish Regice / Def Garbodor / Tank Rhydon / RD Ludicolo / Guts Swellow / LO Hitmonchan
 cloudymarsh: guys just wanna ak
 cloudymarsh: *ask
 cloudymarsh: what are workshops for?
 imven0m: building together
 Low Ladder Heroes: to give an insight to less experienced players how to build proper teams
 imven0m: I suppose ^^
 cloudymarsh: uh?
 cloudymarsh: or isnt it to test potent cores?
@orphic: the team really struggles vs poliwrath
#Erisia: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nususpecttest-391593452
@lucianvega: not having psychic check hurts a lot
 imven0m: can't we replace on of these mons?
@orphic: yep
@lucianvega: check pastebin i posted
#Erisia: yeah let's talk more about vega's variant
 imven0m: the one with floatzel aggron etc?
 regnak: i just know what are u are building
 regnak: n i close this chat for fairplay
 imven0m: Whirlpool is there for what? the toxik of t spikes?
@lucianvega: its to lure opposing lanturns
@lucianvega: and still check fire water types
@lucianvega: ice beam isng needed because regice garbodor check gras types
@lucianvega: and signal beam is good for malamar
 imven0m: okok :)
@lucianvega: also someone mentioned claydol so i thought its cool
 imven0m: that was me :D
#Erisia: what about running taunt over focus blast on floatzel
#Erisia: since regice already has focus blast
@lucianvega: i have hp grass
@lucianvega: since gastro is annoying
@lucianvega: on that PB
 cloudymarsh: isnt it
 cloudymarsh: HB
@lucianvega: hm?
 cloudymarsh: :S
 imven0m: ^^
@lucianvega: what is hb
 cloudymarsh: hastebin
 cloudymarsh: :D
@lucianvega: my bad
 imven0m: nvm x)
 cloudymarsh: kek nope
 cloudymarsh: im bad
 cloudymarsh: im the only one  here who won a match but choked very hard
@lucianvega: i consider gastrodon pretty big defensive threat so idk how you guys feel about Hp grass on float
 cloudymarsh: does a lot
#Erisia: hydro pump / ice beam / hp grass / taunt?
 imven0m: so why is there focus blast on foatzel too?
 cloudymarsh: since we are running hazstack it's now easily worn down by float
 cloudymarsh: imVen0m they replace it
 cloudymarsh: *replaced
@lucianvega: i think
@lucianvega: focus blast is still good for
@lucianvega: annoying pokemon like ferro that have bullet seed
 cloudymarsh: also ohkos tauros
@lucianvega: oh i forgot tauros
 cloudymarsh: if it hits
@lucianvega: but idk ,doesnt hydro pump ohkoes it toO?
 cloudymarsh: n
 cloudymarsh: lemme calc
 imven0m: after rocks?
 cloudymarsh: ^^
 cloudymarsh: ohko is a roll
 imven0m: so after rocks / spikes it's not?
 cloudymarsh: so yeah we can have taunt instead
 cloudymarsh: imVen0m it ohkos
 cloudymarsh: without chip damage, the roll is 90-100
 cloudymarsh: so guaranteed ohko at least any hazard
 imven0m: oh ok, so that's nice :)
#Erisia: any games with that new team?
 imven0m: let's go! :)
#Erisia: I was thinking since we didn't really discuss it maybe i'd post the ludicolo version in workshops and you could post the floatzel variant in bazaat lucianvega?
#Erisia: or one of us could do a joint post in workshops
@lucianvega: ye, i mean
@lucianvega: half of team was already done but
@lucianvega: it just needed lanturn lure rocker
@nv: Just do like I did when we built the Liepard team imo
@lucianvega: and someone mentioned claydol
@nv: Post both versions
@lucianvega: so i thought claydol was cool
@lucianvega: i agree with nv
 marogod: what i miss
@lucianvega: you guys can also check
@lucianvega: if offensive steelix is better fit than aggron
+MAROGOD: did i miss the entire build?
@eternally: ye lol
 imven0m: ^^
+MAROGOD: Well shit
+MAROGOD: Hope building went well then
#Erisia: okay i'll post both versions
@nv: lol
@nv: !
@nv: Workshop over then?
#Erisia: sure