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Jman: hey
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: um
Jman: did you say that purpal could be repromoted minic?
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: you do realize hes afk
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: um
Jman: he's always away
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: Purple said he was going though so
Jman: minic come back baby
.:~RND`=- Minic: im here, no i didnt specifically say she could be repromoted, i told her i would put some thought into the situation. and i was aware don promoted her. but i had more pressing matters to attend to at that time.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: Purple told me that you gave Don permission
.:~RND`=- Minic: i havent spoken to don in weeks
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: so they completely lied
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: not looking goof for Don
.:~RND`=- Minic: if you guys want my honest opinion, this whole situation is extremely childish, and to some extent it was provoked... i wasnt there, so i dont know exactly how you said it, but regardless. you did.
Jman: minic there wasn't any provocation lol ._.
Jman: provocation would be if i shot her or shot at her even
Jman: i just was sitting with unit
.:~RND`=- Minic: you TOLD her to press it though
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: hes talking about how you said to shoot her
Jman: and she walked up and killed both of us
Jman: i didn't tell /her/ to press it
Jman: i said to unit
Jman: press the button
Jman: and minic
Jman: what about the example i told you earlier
Jman: 4:14 PM - Jman: if a detective says
4:14 PM - Jman: shoot me in the head
4:14 PM - Jman: and you do it
4:14 PM - Jman: that doesn't mean it's allowed
Jman: she did it 100% intentionally and with the intent of minging
.:~RND`=- Minic: if you want my opinion on that, if the detective is okay with it, i dont see any harm.
Jman: i obviously wasn't okay with it though
.:~RND`=- Minic: its just being uber strict on a rule, with no harm done
Jman: it's not being uber strict though
Jman: it was just a temp demote
Jman: until the servers came back up
.:~RND`=- Minic: i was speaking specfically about your example
Jman: otherwise, if someone else did it, it would have been a ban
Jman: i know
Jman: also, minic
Jman: 5:53 PM - .:~RND`=- coolzeldad -=: he'll be able to redemote etc and handle don's rank on the servers
5:53 PM - .:~RND`=- coolzeldad -=: thanks for telling me tho
.:~RND`=- Minic: im aware lol, but are you saying i should demote don?
Jman: well there's pretext
Jman: to the demotion
.:~RND`=- Minic: i know about the whole thing with him on the forums
.:~RND`=- Minic: etc etc
.:~RND`=- Minic: what else?
Jman: no not that
Jman: us admins
Jman: coolz, don, snivy, and i
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: huh
Jman: had a strict conversation about having to communicate with the admins about promotions
Jman: and
Jman: an admin cannot overrule another admin's demotion
Jman: without taking it up with coolz
Jman: and don lied
Jman: and did it anyway
Jman: i think sabb would also agree with the demotion
Jman: this is what coolz thinks
Jman: and i agree
Jman: 6:09 PM - Jman: what do ._.
6:10 PM - .:~RND`=- coolzeldad -=: i'd just demote whoevers causing issues
6:11 PM - .:~RND`=- coolzeldad -=: not worth the time wasted
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: i would demote him but i dont think Minic wants to so
Jman: well coolz is fine with don being demoted
Jman: along with purple
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea, but doesnt mean they have to be lol
.:~RND`=- Minic: i have no problem demoting anyone, but i prefer to resolve issues without it coming to that.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: i still say Purple isnt worth keeping demoted
Jman: i disagree
Jman: but don especially
Jman: stepped way over the line here
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: didnt say anything about Don
Jman: well i don't think purple should be repromoted either
Jman: after she lied about having permission
.:~RND`=- Minic: she told you i gave don permission?
.:~RND`=- Minic: or don told you that?
Jman: yes
.:~RND`=- Minic: ic
Jman: she told sabb
.:~RND`=- Minic: perhaps don lied to her
Jman: directly
Jman: exactly
Jman: which is why
Jman: BOTH of them
Jman: in my opinion should be demoted
.:~RND`=- Minic: in my opinion, if she was lied to, and mislead. she shouldnt be held liable for that
.:~RND`=- Minic: but still undecided on her previous actions
Jman: well if don lied to purple
Jman: then i think he should be demoted regardless lol
Jman: not really much wiggle room with that imop
Jman: imo*
.:~RND`=- Minic: one way or another, these stupid pissing contests have got to stop... its old. people either need to get along, or take their ego's elsewhere
Jman: well idk if you're referring to me as well
Jman: but
.:~RND`=- Minic: everyone involved
Jman: well idk
Jman: you're the overall judgement
Jman: and it would never have turned into a pissing contest or anything of the sort
Jman: had don not gone and make it worse
Jman: and then lie about it
Jman: purple's demotion was only temporary
Jman: she would have it back right when the servers came up
Jman: and that's still the case
.:~RND`=- Minic: yeah, but that seems like a cop out, what good is a temp demotion? but indeed don did cross the line a bit.
Jman: well the temp demotion would serve the same purpose as a temp ban
Jman: as i said
Jman: i could've temp banned for it too
Jman: but i saw that more fitting
.:~RND`=- Minic: i still want to know more about the root issue, what caused all of she told me that you told her to push the button.... and now sab, your witness, says that he thinks purple should remain vip.
.:~RND`=- Minic: what caused all of this*
Jman: okay well
Jman: sabb is okay with the reason for the demotion
Jman: it's just that he thinks she is a helpful VIP too
Jman: also, i did not even tell her to push the button
.:~RND`=- Minic: you told unit to push the button? did you specifcally address him? or could she of interpreted it as you addressing her? miscommunication? what?
Jman: first of all, i was obviously joking and not actually allowing someone to do it
Jman: second, i was clearly adressing unit
Jman: but she just walked up and killed us both
.:~RND`=- Minic: ic
Jman: either way
Jman: i really have to go for a few hours
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.:~RND`=- Minic: oo k
.:~RND`=- Minic: im just trying to come to a complete understanding of the situation by analyzing the events as they unfolded to determine from an unbiased standing the next course of action.
Jman: well keep talking in this group chat
Jman: i'll read it when i get back
Jman: thanks for your time, c'ya
.:~RND`=- Minic: baibai
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: btw, this is exactly what Purple told me about having you rpermission
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: <17:50:41> "Sabb": so he repromoted you right?
<17:50:47> "Purpal": yup
<17:50:51> "Purpal": and minic was okay with it
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: <17:52:51> "Sabb": theres going to be a whole lot bigger of a problem if Don and you convinced Minic to repromoted based off a one side argument
<17:54:41> "Purpal": we didnt convince him though
<17:54:50> "Purpal": don just did it out of no where
<17:55:04> "Purpal": and minic I guess was okay with it
.:~RND`=- Minic: indeed, its not that im okay with it, its just at the time i had more pressing matters to attend to.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: alright
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: do you were tlaking to Purple though?
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: nothing to do with Don?
.:~RND`=- Minic: wait what?
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: like you didnt actually talk to Don about anything
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: only Purple
.:~RND`=- Minic: indeed, i dont have don on friends since he removed a bunch of people or whatever.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: right
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: k
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: just wanted to make sure because she made it sound like you directly gave one of them permission
.:~RND`=- Minic: no, i told her i would put some thought into the issue, and right after i disconnected, don promoted her. but i saw it after qutting the game via rcon.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: k
.:~RND`=- Minic: and you think purpal should remain vip, do you also feel there was any wrong doing on her part?
.:~RND`=- Minic: jman says he was "clearly addressing unit", but purpal tells me there were herself and 3 others he could of been addressing.
.:~RND`=- Minic: 2-3 others i guess, unsure i wasnt there xD
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: i think it was kind of obvious he was talking to Unit lol
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: but
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: i personally wouldnt have demoted Purple
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: it wasnt really that big of a deal
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: but i can understand why he did demote her, so i dont think he really did anything wrong
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: but at the same time, its a very minor issue and i think shes a good VIP so
.:~RND`=- Minic: i see, sounds reasonable
.:~RND`=- Minic: i like resaonable :P
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: ya lol
.:~RND`=- Minic: don still hasnt accepted my friend request, giving him 30 more min or so.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea he went off a long time ago lol
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: hes sleeping
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: waay different time zones
.:~RND`=- Minic: i see, his community page says "currently online"
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea idk
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: he should be snooze lol
.:~RND`=- Minic: i see
.:~RND`=- Minic: well regardless the decision has pretty much been made, i just wanted to speak with him.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: k
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: so youre going to demote him im assuming?
.:~RND`=- Minic: yes
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: k
.:~RND`=- Minic: its so stupid
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea i know ._.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: this stuffs been going on for a long time
.:~RND`=- Minic: they had agreement with coolz... he violated it. that is unacceptable.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: are you going to do anything with Purple or jus tleave that to Jman or w.e?
.:~RND`=- Minic: i also feel it was a minor offense, and extremely difficult to judge if she had any malicious intentions by her actions... but even so it was a minor offense, and as you say shes a good VIP, i feel she should remain VIP.
.:~RND`=- Minic: but don's actions are unacceptable, and the funny thing is
.:~RND`=- Minic: had he just gone to coolz like he should of, coolz probably would of reached the same conclusion, problem solved.
.:~RND`=- Minic: but instead he chose to violate the agreement.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: he knew what he was doing
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: just doesnt care anymore
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: left the forums already
.:~RND`=- Minic: yeah
.:~RND`=- Minic: i feel the same way, as of recent his judgement has been extremely volatile, even unpredictable... that is the last thing we need.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yep
.:~RND`=- Minic: ok well, don has been demoted, even though hes still banned on the forums, his moderator status was removed, and also on the wiki also.
.:~RND`=- Minic: and purpal has been repromoted to vip, due to it being a minor offense, and difficult to judge... and i think she probably learned from this situation given how quickly it blew up -.-
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea lol
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: alright
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: thanks for dealing with this shit
.:~RND`=- Minic: its np
.:~RND`=- Minic: wish don would of handled it differently, but he forced my hand.
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: hes basically leaving the community anyways so
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: bound to happen
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: pretty much
.:~RND`=- Minic: eh, no reason to leave on bad terms...
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea :/
.:~RND`=- Minic: could of easily just went inactive etc
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: kind of who Don is though
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: he did the same when leaving the forums
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: well
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: not quite the same
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: but caused issues
.:~RND`=- Minic: yeah, but all of that could of been avoided... just bad judgement on his part. he could of just stopped participating in the community, and who knows, come back someday, or not... no reason for any of it.
.:~RND`=- Minic: oh well
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: welcome to the internet lol
.:~RND`=- Minic: you remember the agreement you guys had right sabb?
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: you mean the one between admins?
.:~RND`=- Minic: ya
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabb: yea, i definitely do remember that lol