#Disjunction: ~workshop new
+boltsandbombers: grass knot on what
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Knock Off Raichu
 TTFTW: are we going to do a flames imprison mesprit set
 HJAD: on mes
 HJAD: beat steelix 1v1
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Bulky SD Zard
 HJAD: possibly lure unsuspecting
 HJAD: rocks / grounds
 HJAD: too
#Disjunction: I would prefer hwish personally
#Disjunction: on mes
 krookies: grats BB
 Based Loser: Hey krookies
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Defensive Mesprit
 krookies: howdy
 yogibears: i think maybe some voltturn action going on with raichu maybe??
 TTFTW: how does defog shiftry sound
#Disjunction: I hate defog shift
 Based Loser: We need some bulk
 Based Loser: Still frail a little.
#Disjunction: it's going to be an offensive team
 krookies: ~~worm trash has some nice bulk~~
 TTFTW: offensive hazard control
 TTFTW: skunk/shiftry/chan
 hingo: is defensive poliwrath any good?
+boltsandbombers: no
 Based Loser: Chan imo
 yogibears: chan imo
+boltsandbombers: certainly not on this team
 Based Loser: Sniped.
 hingo: oh
 yogibears: lol
 Based Loser: xd
 TTFTW: I like skunk :[
 yogibears: stacking that ground/rock weakness tho
#Disjunction: hmmm
 hingo: samurott?
#Disjunction: chan should be fine
 Based Loser: :D
 TTFTW: not the foresight lum set
 yogibears: o.o
+boltsandbombers: what set are we going with
 TTFTW: can confirm it doesn't work
#Disjunction: spin
 Based Loser: Max Max
#Disjunction: lo
 Based Loser: wait
 yogibears: rs, ice punch, drain punch, filler
 TTFTW: mach
 yogibears: yeh
 Based Loser: 252 atk 44 SpD 212 Spe
 Based Loser: Ada
+boltsandbombers: run max speed
+boltsandbombers: that 44 spdef isnt doing anything useful and outpacing max spe 75s is useful
 Based Loser: [20:00:28] Based Loser: Max Max
 Based Loser: lol
+boltsandbombers: [20:01] Based Loser: 252 atk 44 SpD 212 Spe
+boltsandbombers: .-.
 Based Loser: I was just suggesting another spread
+boltsandbombers: ok we need a normal resist next
 yogibears: right, we need something that doesn't get run over by scep/swellow now o.o
 TTFTW: and a malamar check
 TTFTW: -
+boltsandbombers: klinklang covers normal/flyings and scept kinda
 Silver Aurum: Hitmonchan/Charizard/raichu?
 Silver Aurum: so far
+boltsandbombers: or dd don
+boltsandbombers: defensive mesprit as well
 hingo: and mespirit i think
#Disjunction: oh fuck I forgot about this lol
 yogibears: mes yep
#Disjunction: for a minute
#Disjunction: ok
+boltsandbombers: lol
 krookies: gj dis
 yogibears: weezing, but i guess it's too passive/defensive
 TTFTW: sd samurott is a threat too
#Disjunction: y
 hingo: what about sliggod
 TTFTW: hmm
#Disjunction: I'm thinking about options
 Based Loser: What's the team?
 Silver Aurum: sliggoo doesn't fit an offensive team as well
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
 TTFTW: thoughts on scarf x-scissor barbaracle
+boltsandbombers: maybe the 4 atks evio set
 TTFTW: it checks malamar :o
 TTFTW: and adds speed
 yogibears: ludi maybe??
 hingo: what if u ran signal beam mesprit
+boltsandbombers: if we really wanted sliggoo but it leaves us vulnerable to malamar and physical normals
 hingo: for malamar
 hingo: instead of the u turn
+boltsandbombers: not a huge fan of signal on defensive
 hi im snuggles: mala gets rekt by scyther
 hi im snuggles: but then we have a huge weakness to rock
+boltsandbombers: and the u-turn is really nice to pair with raichu's volt switch
 hingo: true
 Silver Aurum: volt turn is fun yeah
 yogibears: i said that >.<
 hingo: would double dance rhydon work or something
#Disjunction: ugh we might go with TTFTW's defog shift instead of chan
 hingo: or it it too bulky
#Disjunction: it would make sense
 TTFTW: hehe
 Silver Aurum: Could even go with scarf Scyther
 yogibears: does it need scarf o.o
 Silver Aurum: doesn't need it
+Blast Chance: ~workshop team
#Disjunction: I want a good flying resist
#Disjunction: and a fastmon that deters rocks
 hi im snuggles: archeops
 TTFTW: ebelt rotom-f
 yogibears: barb
 krookies: what snuggles said
 TTFTW: if you consider it fast
 TTFTW: btw archeops doesn't beat rockers
 hi im snuggles: but it can taunt
 Silver Aurum: He didn't say they had to be in the same slot
 hi im snuggles: so close enuf
 Silver Aurum: but I hate archeops xd
 yogibears: arch is worn down too easily
 hi im snuggles: fastest rock type besides arch is kabu iirc
 hi im snuggles: and fastest steel is klingklang
#Disjunction: mm
+Blast Chance: you could do xatu + steelix and replace mesprit
 hi im snuggles: nu doesnt have good fast flying resists
#Disjunction: maybe offense isn't the right way to go with this core
 krookies: i hate every mon on this team tbh
 hi im snuggles: they either are electric and suck at living
 yogibears: maybe balanced??
 hi im snuggles: or they are archeops
 yogibears: and i kinda agree with blast
#Disjunction: yea I don't like bulkyzard on offense
 hi im snuggles: you know what nu needs back
 hi im snuggles: toad
 yogibears: xatu+steelix covers flying and fighting resists, and deters rockers
+boltsandbombers: n
+boltsandbombers: fletch
 Silver Aurum: n
 Silver Aurum: uxie
+boltsandbombers: would solve all our problems
 hi im snuggles: we have baby fletch
 yogibears: isn't fletch like UU now o.o
#Disjunction: steelix / peli > mes / shift
+boltsandbombers: its ru
#Disjunction: y/n
 Peli: peli
 Silver Aurum: sure
 Peli: -
 krookies: y
 Peli: what is a good unranked mon
#Disjunction: ~workshop remove Defensive Mesprit
 Peli: that can switch into lapras
 yogibears: y
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Steelix
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Pelipper
 hi im snuggles: tailwind acro overheat hp grass max on both attacks naughty nature
 hi im snuggles: best fletchling set
 yogibears: what's the team now
 Silver Aurum: Let's just add a Piloswine a Lanturn and a Vileplume and call it a Dentri team
+boltsandbombers: ...lol
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
 Silver Aurum: so lanturn weak
 yogibears: we needa patch up the ground/rock weakness o.o
#Disjunction: ya I'm looking at grass-types
 hi im snuggles: what role do we need
#Disjunction: you guys should suggest mons instead of just saying what we're clearly weak to
 krookies: kinda magmortar weak too tho
#Disjunction: considering it's an unfinished team lol
 Silver Aurum: I'm thinking
#Disjunction: I'm looking at offensive tort
 yogibears: poli
 hi im snuggles: tort doesnt solve the water flaw we have rn
 yogibears: actually, tbh i think tort is the best option, looking at it
 krookies: slap on a random ludicolo
 yogibears: ^ scarf
 yogibears: :P
 krookies: :P
#Disjunction: jolly offensive tort handles every water-type in the tier
#Disjunction: it doesn't switch into them but it at least revenges them
 yogibears: tort patches up both the ground and rock weakness, and is stops lant so yeah
 TTFTW: vanilluxe revenge kills waters and explodes on yama for raichu
 TTFTW: thoughts :o
#Disjunction: there's really only two relevant offensive water types in nu
 Silver Aurum: ~~Ludicolo~~
#Disjunction: lanturn and samu
#Disjunction: oh ya ludi
 hi im snuggles: poli
 krookies: rip ludi
+boltsandbombers: omastar
+boltsandbombers: kabu
 yogibears: ice beam tho
#Disjunction: all of those are not real mons
#Disjunction: because I forgot about them
 Silver Aurum: lmfao
 Silver Aurum: I love disjunction
 TTFTW: barbaracle
#Disjunction: ok listen guys
#Disjunction: we can list off water types
#Disjunction: or we can build a team
 hi im snuggles: isnt the ladder full of rain teams
#Disjunction: who's with me
 krookies: staryu
 krookies: ... i mean uh, I am!
 TTFTW: I suggested vanilluxe since it beats water types
 TTFTW: and lures yama
 TTFTW: not sure though
 yogibears: either tort, van or ludi would work in different ways
 hi im snuggles: how bout liligant
 iHateRNGs: Omastar op
#Disjunction: uh
#Disjunction: hm
 hi im snuggles: then yama can patch up ice weakness and we can call it a day
#Disjunction: sorry guys I'm getting distracted
 hi im snuggles: rather slow team tho
 krookies: oml that spam in nu chat O.o
#Disjunction: y
#Disjunction: that's why I'm looking at speedy mons
 hi im snuggles: scarf liligant then
+boltsandbombers: ok we need something that directly threatens lanturn
#Disjunction: I was considering scarf lilli too
 hi im snuggles: that helps with steelix because healing wish too
 yogibears: scarf colo beats a lot of things that either usually counter it (beats rain teams) and threatens lant
#Disjunction: y I like healing wish
#Disjunction: scarf lilli sounds cool
 krookies: i like scarf lilli plus yama
+boltsandbombers: I used scarf lili a while ago, it was neat
 hi im snuggles: i think bolts is right about lanturn tho
#Disjunction: thoughts on av grumpig
 hi im snuggles: so maybe not hariyama
#Disjunction: instead of av yama
+boltsandbombers: like we can lure it with knock raichu
+boltsandbombers: but after pelipper u-turns out of it
 hi im snuggles: what is raichus set
 hi im snuggles: is it mixed max special attack?
+boltsandbombers: ya
 hi im snuggles: our physical side is very weak
 yogibears: what would the lilli set be??
+boltsandbombers: dark types seem a tad annoying if we go pig
+boltsandbombers: ghosts kinda too
#Disjunction: ya
+boltsandbombers: scarf lilli is what was suggested
#Disjunction: yama is just
#Disjunction: boring
#Disjunction: I guess we can roll with it tho
 yogibears: got milk then :P (joke tho)
 yogibears: *go
 hi im snuggles: banded beartic
 hi im snuggles: nvm thats more rock weakness
 yogibears: and super slow
 hi im snuggles: how do we have a fire type a water type a steel type and yet no ice resists?
+boltsandbombers: *no freeze dry resists
#Disjunction: yea I'm fine with yama last slot
 krookies: lol that is kinda funny
#Disjunction: it's the best option
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Scarf Lilli
#Disjunction: ~workshop add AV Yama
#Disjunction: look good?
 hi im snuggles: sure
 Silver Aurum: yh
 yogibears: try it out
#Disjunction: oh we struggle with ebelt zard
 hi im snuggles: we could run guts yama for a scald switch in
#Disjunction: considering we rely on yama as our fire resist
#Disjunction: Mantine > Peli
#Disjunction: might be better
#Disjunction: thoughts?
 krookies: peace
 TTFTW: what set
 Silver Aurum: yh I could see that I suppose
 yogibears: mant doesn't get roost tho
#Disjunction: we have healing wish support if we really need it
#Disjunction: I'm using this on the no sawk ladder
#Disjunction: so we don't need too many fighting resists
 yogibears: i guess o.o
 Silver Aurum: yh bulky zard + Mantine is probably fine
#Disjunction: ~workshop remove Pelipper
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Defensive Mantine
 hi im snuggles: what handles malamar now
#Disjunction: sd zard
#Disjunction: is an ok check
 hi im snuggles: is malamar relevant anyways, i havent played nu for like 2 weeks
#Disjunction: we can run haze on mantine
#Disjunction: or signal beam > air slash hehehe
#Disjunction: just so it can't set up onit
 Silver Aurum: I would probably run signal beam
+boltsandbombers: I just tested the team and it is a tad barb weak, especially to lum variants
+boltsandbombers: well only lum since it doesnt set up on anything bar charizard
#Disjunction: lum isn't very common
#Disjunction: should we be concerned
+boltsandbombers: idk!
+boltsandbombers: lilligant doesnt revenge it which is annoying
#Disjunction: ya
#Disjunction: that's why barb is better than costa lol
+boltsandbombers: is there actually a reason to use smash costa
+boltsandbombers: outside of "breaking defensive cores"
#Disjunction: no.
#Disjunction: yet people still try to justify it
#Disjunction: lol.
 Silver Aurum: If you want to use an outclassed mon
 Silver Aurum: n_n
 TTFTW: is the team done?
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
#Disjunction: this is what we have
+boltsandbombers: http://hastebin.com/raw/urusoradux
 TTFTW: hmm
 TTFTW: it does get 6-0'd by lum barb but it isn't common
 TTFTW: so I think it's really decent
+boltsandbombers: I found out the hard way
+boltsandbombers: D:
#Disjunction: sub > lum
#Disjunction: D:
#Disjunction: someone else can post team
#Disjunction: I've posted the last couple
 hi im snuggles: we could run eviolite gurdurr to try and take physical hits better
#Disjunction: and I'm lazE
+boltsandbombers: ok
+boltsandbombers: will do