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  1. Saturday, February 13, 2016
  2. [2:22:32 AM] Makaze added brad.hunt776 rafi.broer.
  3. [2:22:55 AM] Makaze: [1:54:48 AM] Makaze: Life?
  4. [1:54:54 AM] Life: Aye
  5. [1:55:51 AM] Makaze: What's up?
  6. [1:56:26 AM] Life: Nothing much
  7. [1:56:32 AM] Life: Just want to talk about Mafia
  8. [1:56:43 AM] Makaze: Have you heard of me
  9. [1:59:58 AM] Life: Eh
  10. [2:00:01 AM] Life: Honestly
  11. [2:00:03 AM] Life: No
  12. [2:00:19 AM] Makaze: good
  13. [2:00:30 AM] Life: Why?
  14. [2:00:44 AM] Makaze: what kind of info do you wwant to trade?
  15. [2:00:58 AM] Life: Anything
  16. [2:01:00 AM] Life: Everything
  17. [2:01:35 AM] Life: I figure this is going to be a game with a lot of alliances
  18. [2:01:44 AM] Life: Since it looks like everyone is out for themselves
  19. [2:01:53 AM] Makaze: @why: people who've heard of me usually stab me for fear of being stabbed by me
  20. [2:02:20 AM] Makaze: it's better if they build trust for themselves
  21. [2:02:22 AM] Makaze: imo
  22. [2:03:25 AM] Life: Oh this is a silly game to stab in
  23. [2:03:36 AM] Life: You need to make it to F3 according to most win cons
  24. [2:03:42 AM] Life: Guessing it's the same for you
  25. [2:04:21 AM] Life: Am I wrong?
  26. [2:04:27 AM] Makaze: right
  27. [2:04:39 AM] Makaze: i usually get killed n2 because people fear me
  28. [2:04:50 AM] Makaze: so i have little experience with win cons
  29. [2:04:55 AM] Makaze: trying to change that around
  30. [2:05:02 AM] Makaze: playing to win now
  31. [2:05:09 AM] Life: So try not to stab people
  32. [2:05:15 AM] Life: Be honest with information
  33. [2:05:25 AM] Life: A little backscratching
  34. [2:05:28 AM] Life: Some grovelling
  35. [2:05:33 AM] Makaze: my problem is being too honest
  36. [2:05:37 AM] Life: Intimidation
  37. [2:05:57 AM] Makaze: selling too many people out, getting their aliases by threatening to shoot if they don't tell me who it is
  38. [2:06:02 AM] Makaze: that kind of thing
  39. [2:06:07 AM] Life: Lissten
  40. [2:06:17 AM] Life: Out of all the people who have a target on their heads
  41. [2:06:21 AM] Life: Mine is the largest
  42. [2:06:27 AM] Makaze: this is a thing I know
  43. [2:06:30 AM] Life: I'm the stuff of legends
  44. [2:06:42 AM] Makaze: you are also fun to taunt
  45. [2:06:53 AM] Life: Nobody can taunt me
  46. [2:06:57 AM] Life: I'm immune to that shit
  47. [2:07:05 AM] Life: You really have never played with me
  48. [2:07:27 AM] Makaze: whatever you say
  49. [2:07:44 AM] Life: The point is, we're going to have to start somewhere
  50. [2:07:47 AM] Makaze: Yes
  51. [2:07:54 AM] Life: So if we're both so fearsome
  52. [2:07:58 AM] Makaze: I'm a doctor, and I can't shoot anyone.
  53. [2:08:16 AM] Life: Full BG?
  54. [2:08:23 AM] Makaze: yes
  55. [2:09:04 AM] Makaze: Someone like you who is target #1 is perfect for my ally, under the circumstances
  56. [2:09:05 AM] Life: I can remove a BPV in addition to taking a shot but I can't target the same person with both actions on the same turn
  57. [2:09:12 AM] Life: Considering my role
  58. [2:09:14 AM] Makaze: i see
  59. [2:09:15 AM] Life: Yeah
  60. [2:09:49 AM] Life: Do you stop all kill attempts?
  61. [2:09:54 AM] Makaze: yes
  62. [2:10:00 AM] Life: Cool
  63. [2:10:02 AM] Life: Anyway
  64. [2:10:15 AM] Makaze: and I can consec the same person without limit
  65. [2:10:28 AM] Life: What I really wanted to suggest was an alias swap in order to cement a bond of trust
  66. [2:10:45 AM] Life: I'll give you mine first as a show of trust
  67. [2:10:50 AM] Life: Do you agree?
  68. [2:12:23 AM] Makaze: Hmmm
  69. [2:12:31 AM] Makaze: I agree.
  70. [2:12:45 AM] Life: Cool. I'm Hephaestus.
  71. [2:12:48 AM] Makaze: Just don't go Blitz on me.
  72. [2:12:53 AM] Life: What does that mean?
  73. [2:12:54 AM] Makaze: I'm Kai.
  74. [2:13:05 AM] Makaze: Blitz has backstabbed me every chance he's gotten
  75. [2:13:21 AM] Makaze: usually justifying it with badly remembered wrongdoings by me that never happened
  76. [2:13:31 AM] Makaze: from the first game to last
  77. [2:13:39 AM] Life: I don't randomly stab
  78. [2:13:40 AM] Makaze: he's part of the reason I get killed lol
  79. [2:13:45 AM] Makaze: he spreads rumors
  80. [2:13:47 AM] Life: It's detrimental
  81. [2:14:20 AM] Life: INow here's a question
  82. [2:14:29 AM] Life: Where did you get Kai from?
  83. [2:14:37 AM] Makaze: Honestly?
  84. [2:14:43 AM] Makaze: Beyblade
  85. [2:14:45 AM] Makaze: Original series
  86. [2:14:58 AM] Makaze: I'm a dork, I know.
  87. [2:15:48 AM] Life: Wow
  88. [2:15:53 AM] Life: That being said
  89. [2:16:01 AM] Life: I went to greek mythology
  90. [2:16:05 AM] Life: So who am I to talk
  91. [2:16:29 AM] Makaze: heh
  92. [2:16:43 AM] Makaze: Two games ago, I was Cesare
  93. [2:16:58 AM] Makaze: Italian for Caesar
  94. [2:17:11 AM] Makaze: I got shot six times on n2
  95. [2:17:18 AM] Life: Wow
  96. [2:17:20 AM] Life: Ouch
  97. [2:17:25 AM] Life: Et tu Brutes?
  98. [2:17:28 AM] Makaze: i had it coming
  99. [2:17:31 AM] Life: Funny thing is
  100. [2:17:40 AM] Makaze: i posted everyone's alias and role for sale in the thread
  101. [2:17:41 AM] Life: There are two Arabic names on the alias list
  102. [2:17:51 AM] Life: And I'm the only person who lives in the middle east
  103. [2:17:57 AM] Life: And neither of them are mine
  104. [2:18:32 AM] Makaze: lol
  105. [2:18:40 AM] Makaze: Nightmare isn't around so it's not him
  106. [2:18:44 AM] Makaze: (He's from Iran)
  107. [2:18:54 AM] Life: I know
  108. [2:19:26 AM] Life: The first one is a translation to bow and arrow or something like that
  109. [2:19:43 AM] Life: But that's Chetz v'keshet in hebrew
  110. [2:19:52 AM] Life: So not really the same
  111. [2:19:55 AM] Makaze: mm
  112. [2:20:05 AM] Life: The other is from Aladdin
  113. [2:20:10 AM] Makaze: lol
  114. [2:21:03 AM] Makaze: So you play the speculation game?
  115. [2:21:44 AM] Life: Speculation game?
  116. [2:21:54 AM] Makaze: Figuring out aliases by who would pick them.
  117. [2:22:57 AM] Makaze: here now
  118. [2:23:16 AM] Makaze has changed the chat topic to "Life EIMM 6".
  119. [2:23:50 AM] Makaze: this one
  120. [2:24:31 AM] Life: Honestly
  121. [2:24:41 AM] Life: I don't recognize these aliases
  122. [2:24:56 AM] Life: No point in guessing
  123. [2:24:57 AM] Makaze: i don't play speculation, personally
  124. [2:25:13 AM] Makaze: I gather intel directly, or from others who get it directly
  125. [2:25:37 AM] Life: And nobody would be dumb enough to put down something obvious
  126. [2:26:02 AM] Makaze: idk a lot of people do
  127. [2:26:19 AM] Makaze: last game Ciraxis has Ciraxis in his alias and Shin had Shin in his
  128. [2:26:26 AM] Makaze: etc
  129. [2:26:47 AM] Paperblade: Ciraxis did that a bunch of games tho
  130. [2:26:49 AM] Paperblade: and even won one of them
  131. [2:26:50 AM] Life: That's stupid
  132. [2:26:58 AM] Makaze: yes it is
  133. [2:27:06 AM] Makaze: his buddies also had Ciraxis aliases
  134. [2:27:08 AM] Makaze: it was a bitch
  135. [2:27:12 AM] Paperblade: and no one shot any of them
  136. [2:27:15 AM] Paperblade: til late game
  137. [2:27:27 AM] Makaze: everyone was friends with one
  138. [2:27:34 AM] Paperblade: except vhaltzuki alliance
  139. [2:27:41 AM] Paperblade: sort of
  140. [2:27:45 AM] Life: I spoke to Elie about previous games
  141. [2:28:02 AM] Life: And he told me that Kinumi loves to get a lot of people who play for her to win
  142. [2:28:14 AM] Life: I don't know how trustworthy that is
  143. [2:28:22 AM] Life: But it sounds... silly
  144. [2:28:26 AM] Makaze: she is pretty silly
  145. [2:28:41 AM] Makaze: and may have shot me last game idk
  146. [2:28:57 AM] Makaze: she is resourceful, i'll give her that
  147. [2:29:02 AM] Makaze: and she does favors when asked
  148. [2:29:12 AM] Makaze: but she might choose someone else over you
  149. [2:29:26 AM] Makaze: people who give out too easily are hard to trust in endgame
  150. [2:29:36 AM] Life: Info?
  151. [2:29:38 AM] Life: Sorta
  152. [2:29:40 AM] Makaze: which reminds me
  153. [2:29:50 AM] Life: I like to trade in order to accumulate info
  154. [2:29:55 AM] Life: Knowledge is power
  155. [2:30:00 AM] Makaze: How many people are you offering this alias deal to before stopping?
  156. [2:30:38 AM] Life: Why?
  157. [2:30:44 AM] Makaze: I'
  158. [2:30:53 AM] Life: Are you worried?
  159. [2:31:00 AM] Life: Did you lie about your alias?
  160. [2:31:07 AM] Makaze: I'd like to know that if it came down to it, I'm not competing with hordes for your F-3.
  161. [2:31:14 AM] Life: Ah
  162. [2:31:14 AM] Life: No
  163. [2:31:20 AM] Life: I don't play like that
  164. [2:31:24 AM] Life: I look for number 1
  165. [2:31:35 AM] Paperblade: last two EIMMs lel
  166. [2:31:43 AM] Life: A big alliance
  167. [2:31:53 AM] Life: Means a big clusterfuck at midgame
  168. [2:32:00 AM] Life: When people stab each other
  169. [2:32:06 AM] Paperblade: last EIMM lel
  170. [2:32:11 AM] Life: I just want info and to coast through the midgame
  171. [2:32:12 AM] Makaze: So who would you say are your current final 3 candidates?
  172. [2:32:19 AM] Life: Me, myself and I
  173. [2:32:41 AM] Makaze: Let me put it this way.
  174. [2:32:42 AM] Life: I'm not picking F3 on N0
  175. [2:32:43 AM] Paperblade: Life I should tell you the story of last EIMM some time, it was probably top 3 victories I've ever had
  176. [2:32:54 AM] Makaze: When it comes to midgame, will you shoot any of the people who traded with you?
  177. [2:33:05 AM] Life: It honestly depends
  178. [2:33:12 AM] Life: It's completely situational
  179. [2:33:17 AM] Life: Mafia is a social game
  180. [2:33:25 AM] Life: It's understanding where the power lies
  181. [2:33:54 AM] Life: If you're in the best position to take me out in midgame, I might shoot you
  182. [2:34:09 AM] Makaze: I'm not someone who gives my alias easily, so I'm trying to tell if I can trust you or not. To what extent can I trust you?
  183. [2:34:42 AM] Makaze: Do you trade others' info, would you trade mine?
  184. [2:34:43 AM] Makaze: etc
  185. [2:34:46 AM] Life: Alright
  186. [2:34:51 AM] Life: So here's what I've gathered
  187. [2:34:59 AM] Life: You lied to me about your alias
  188. [2:35:02 AM] Life: Which is fine
  189. [2:35:15 AM] Life: But as a show of good faith, I told you my real alias
  190. [2:35:24 AM] Makaze: You've gathered wrong.
  191. [2:35:31 AM] Makaze: I don't get nervous when I give out a fake alias.
  192. [2:35:47 AM] Makaze: This is me being nervous.
  193. [2:35:54 AM] Life: Fine
  194. [2:35:56 AM] Life: Next point
  195. [2:36:03 AM] Life: I'm not loose lipped
  196. [2:36:12 AM] Life: And I don't randomly stab people
  197. [2:36:16 AM] Life: I weigh my options
  198. [2:36:21 AM] Life: And I look out for myself
  199. [2:36:26 AM] Life: When you asked me about F3
  200. [2:36:34 AM] Life: I told you the utmost truth
  201. [2:36:40 AM] Life: I don't care who makes it there with me
  202. [2:36:46 AM] Life: I just care about making myself
  203. [2:36:54 AM] Makaze: I agree. However, I cannot afford to think like that, since it has gotten me killed every game since my first.
  204. [2:37:06 AM] Makaze: I must think in terms of who matters most, after me.
  205. [2:37:13 AM] Makaze: I want to know if that should be you.
  206. [2:37:18 AM] Life: I don't think like that
  207. [2:37:25 AM] Life: All that matters is me
  208. [2:37:33 AM] Life: I'm not saying I'm going to screw you
  209. [2:37:58 AM] Life: But understand that I work with the idea of self-preservation
  210. [2:38:01 AM] Life: Now
  211. [2:38:10 AM] Life: If there is a war going on and I'm not in the middle of it
  212. [2:38:26 AM] Life: There is no reason for me to stab someone that I've built a bond of trust with
  213. [2:38:32 AM] Life: I lose more than I gain
  214. [2:38:41 AM] Life: If my head is on the chopping block, then sure
  215. [2:38:56 AM] Makaze: I don't think you understood how you sound.
  216. [2:39:14 AM] Life: I completely do
  217. [2:39:52 AM] Makaze: I mean I think you do, but you're coming across as "I'll be straightforward about not being straightforward"
  218. [2:39:59 AM] Makaze: which is pretty useless
  219. [2:40:10 AM] Life: Ok so let's straighten this out
  220. [2:40:14 AM] Life: First of all
  221. [2:40:48 AM] Life: Despite my reputation, I don't actually stab people
  222. [2:41:28 AM] Life: My reputation as an excellent Mafia player comes from the fact that I'm very good at reading people and situations and I can bully info out of lesser players
  223. [2:41:34 AM] Makaze: I could say the same thing.
  224. [2:41:46 AM] Makaze: I don't know your rep. I think you are a lot like me.
  225. [2:41:56 AM] Makaze: I also think I am a hard person to trust.
  226. [2:42:02 AM] Life: [9:01:53 AM] Makaze: @why: people who've heard of me usually stab me for fear of being stabbed by me
  227.  
  228. <<<
  229. [2:42:11 AM] Makaze: What counts as backstabbing in my mind does not match what others see as backstabbing.
  230. [2:42:23 AM] Life: So there's your issue right there
  231. [2:42:30 AM] Life: What's your definition of stab?
  232. [2:43:01 AM] Life: OK, you want some trust?
  233. [2:43:05 AM] Life: Here's some trust
  234. [2:43:18 AM] Makaze: Depends. If you knowingly do something that puts me at a disadvantage, it's a stab
  235. [2:43:21 AM] Makaze: otherwise, it's not
  236. [2:43:27 AM] Life: [9:37:08 AM] Tinker Blitz: so, you got any plans for the game so far?
  237. [9:38:57 AM] Rafi: Not really
  238. [9:39:02 AM] Rafi: Just trying to get the lay of the land
  239. [9:39:36 AM] Tinker Blitz: well, I have some basic plans I always execute, which mostly involves killing Makaze
  240. [9:42:41 AM] Rafi: Why?
  241. [9:42:58 AM] Tinker Blitz: well, we it kinda turned into a thing after 3.3
  242. [9:43:12 AM] Tinker Blitz: long story short, I thought he betrayed me, he thought I betrayed him
  243. [9:43:20 AM] Tinker Blitz: I am not even sure who betrayed whom...
  244. [2:43:38 AM] Life: Now do you trust me?
  245. [2:43:54 AM] Makaze: more than Blitz
  246. [2:43:55 AM] Makaze: lol
  247. [2:44:02 AM] Life: You're welcome
  248. [2:44:27 AM] Makaze: i'll be honest
  249. [2:44:36 AM] Makaze: I kind of like you
  250. [2:44:46 AM] Makaze: i'm also intimidated
  251. [2:44:52 AM] Makaze: do you see any way to assuage that worry\
  252. [2:44:56 AM] Life: So I'm fucked
  253. [2:45:02 AM] Life: Essentially
  254. [2:45:12 AM] Life: I'm the guy with the target on his head
  255. [2:45:25 AM] Life: Hence why I'm giving out my alias freely
  256. [2:45:30 AM] Makaze: i see
  257. [2:45:34 AM] Life: I want people to not see me as a threat
  258. [2:45:54 AM] Life: In the meantime, I want information
  259. [2:46:39 AM] Makaze: i'll give you the benefit of the doubt
  260. [2:46:44 AM] Life: Thanks
  261. [2:50:29 AM] Makaze: Your role only breaks one bpv?
  262. [2:50:37 AM] Life: Per turn
  263. [2:50:56 AM] Life: Lets say I break your BPV
  264. [2:51:01 AM] Life: I can't shoot you the same night
  265. [2:51:15 AM] Makaze: Okay
  266. [2:51:40 AM] Makaze: Given the other roles I've seen, that is pretty weak for this game
  267. [2:51:53 AM] Makaze: Any side things I should know
  268. [2:51:59 AM] Life: Not really
  269. [2:52:14 AM] Makaze: Mmm
  270. [2:52:31 AM] Makaze: Does paper hate you
  271. [2:52:50 AM] Life: Naw
  272. [2:52:53 AM] Life: He likes me
  273. [2:52:55 AM] Life: I think
  274. [2:53:00 AM] Makaze: Lol
  275. [2:53:58 AM] Makaze: What are you planning to do tonight
  276. [2:54:30 AM] Life: I'm still speaking to people
  277. [2:54:43 AM] Life: I want to collect more info before I make a move
  278. [2:54:47 AM] Life: So I'm undecided
  279. [2:56:52 AM] Makaze: I see
  280. [2:56:59 AM] Makaze: Keep me posted
  281. [2:57:06 AM] Makaze: Esp if you are dying
  282. [2:57:16 AM] Life: Sure
  283. [2:57:21 AM] Life: Not an issue
  284. [2:57:27 AM] Makaze: Oh?
  285. [2:57:37 AM] Makaze: You got another doc already?
  286. [2:57:45 AM] Makaze: Lol
  287. [2:57:53 AM] Life: Actually, I have
  288. [2:58:07 AM] Makaze: Wow
  289. [2:58:14 AM] Life: Pseudo
  290. [2:58:23 AM] Makaze: Pseudo ?
  291. [2:58:39 AM] Life: The guy is almost a BG
  292. [2:58:53 AM] Makaze: Ah
  293. [3:02:21 AM] Makaze: I'm replaceable ; (
  294. [3:02:28 AM] Life: Not really
  295. [3:02:33 AM] Life: You're the better choice
  296. [3:02:46 AM] Life: But I also found out this info before talking to you
  297. [3:02:56 AM] Makaze: Oh
  298. [3:03:05 AM] Makaze: Who could it be
  299. [3:03:15 AM] Life: Can't say, sorry
  300. [3:03:25 AM] Makaze: Elieson? The guy always false claims I swear
  301. [3:03:30 AM] Makaze: I understand
  302. [3:03:34 AM] Makaze: Thinking aloud
  303. [3:03:37 AM] Life: Need something good to be able to hand out info like that
  304. [3:03:51 AM] Life: Elie's being tight lipped with me
  305. [3:03:58 AM] Life: I can barely get anything out of him
  306. [3:04:00 AM] Makaze: He always does
  307. [3:04:06 AM] Makaze: Allies with blitz
  308. [3:04:50 AM] Makaze: Both threatening in that won't work with you kind of way
  309. [3:05:10 AM] Makaze: And the will kill me kind of way in blitz case
  310. [3:06:08 AM] Makaze: I suspect elie wants to kill me
  311. [3:06:26 AM] Makaze: So probably allies with blitz again
  312. [3:07:52 AM] Makaze: The only info I need is who is getting shot and veto power on targets
  313. [3:08:00 AM] Makaze: Same privileges for you btw
  314. [3:08:07 AM] Life: Alright
  315. [3:08:12 AM] Life: I'mma go to sleep
  316. [3:08:14 AM] Life: 10 am
  317. [3:08:19 AM] Makaze: Night
  318. [12:25:54 PM] Makaze has changed the chat topic to "Makaze/Life EIMM 6".
  319. [12:26:46 PM] Makaze: [9:39:04 AM] Life: I want you to know
  320. [9:39:13 AM] Life: That someone else has been claiming Kai
  321. [9:39:36 AM] Life: So I now have you and someone else with the same alias
  322. [9:39:43 AM] Life: How can I trust your word?
  323. [9:53:51 AM] Makaze: I can't really prove it unless you've got a rolecop?
  324. [9:54:03 AM] Makaze: But I'm the real one
  325. [9:54:14 AM] Life: Someone's lying to me
  326. [9:54:23 AM] Makaze: And I'd like to know who's fakeclaiming me
  327. [9:54:28 AM] Life: And what bothers me is that I give up my info as a gesture of goodwill
  328. [9:54:53 AM] Life: I'm OK for giving you the person's name but I need something in return
  329. [9:54:54 AM] Makaze: People lie in this game as a matter of course
  330. [9:55:01 AM] Life: Oh I know
  331. [9:55:02 AM] Makaze: I don't like lying, personally
  332. [9:55:06 AM] Life: But it's too early to do so
  333. [9:55:13 AM] Makaze: I tell people to fuck off first
  334. [9:55:27 AM] Life: I have no problem with ratting out the other guy
  335. [9:55:34 AM] Life: But I need some more info in return
  336. [9:55:56 AM] Life: Because I now have two people who claim the same alias on me while I've given them both mine
  337. [9:56:06 AM] Life: And I want to trust the truthteller
  338. [9:56:24 AM] Makaze: Okay? What's the info
  339. [9:57:13 AM] Life: I want someone elses alias
  340. [9:57:31 AM] Life: And I want it before I give you the information
  341. [9:57:35 AM] Makaze: Not an even trade
  342. [9:57:37 AM] Life: I'm giving you a full log
  343. [9:57:45 AM] Makaze: Still not even
  344. [9:58:11 AM] Life: So what are you willing to part with?
  345. [9:59:02 AM] Makaze: Hmmm
  346. [9:59:05 AM] Life: I'm trying to trust someone
  347. [9:59:13 AM] Makaze: I don't have a lot yet tbh
  348. [9:59:21 AM] Life: It's difficult if both people are being cagey and I've caught a liar already
  349. [9:59:30 AM] Makaze: Just a few roles
  350. [9:59:34 AM] Life: To me, the only fair trade is 1 alias or 2 roles
  351. [9:59:42 AM] Life: Because this is something
  352. [9:59:47 AM] Life: That can go down on my head
  353. [10:01:52 AM] Makaze: Let me get a couple roles I can part with
  354. [10:02:03 AM] Makaze: Most stuff I have is friends
  355. [10:02:19 AM] Makaze: I'll get an alias if I can
  356. [10:03:03 AM] Makaze: I've been less than active because I was watching dead pool last night and I have limited pc access for a few daya
  357. [10:03:41 AM] Makaze: Phone is not conducive to mafia
  358. [10:05:15 AM] Makaze: Oh right and please use the mod chat group you can
  359. [10:05:37 AM] Life: I prefer to send logs by PM
  360. [10:05:47 AM] Life: References for myself
  361. [10:06:12 AM] Makaze: What's the difference?
  362. [10:07:04 AM] Life: If I ever need to refer to log
  363. [10:07:11 AM] Life: There's no host interference in the log
  364. [10:07:16 AM] Life: Personal thing
  365. [10:07:21 AM] Makaze: Mm
  366. [10:07:39 AM] Makaze: I like paper's jokes tho
  367. [10:16:57 AM] Makaze: Okay got two roles
  368. [10:17:13 AM] Makaze: Mar th is a safeguard, blocks non-killing actions
  369. [10:17:41 AM] Makaze: Hannah is a rolecop with x1 vig
  370. [10:18:16 AM] Life: [4:33:35 PM] E:speon: my alias is kai
  371. [4:33:45 PM] Rafi: Alright now I'm calling bullshit
  372. [4:34:11 PM] E:speon: why is that?
  373. [4:34:22 PM] Rafi: Because someone else claimed Kai to me
  374. [4:34:30 PM] Rafi: Where'd you get the name from?
  375. [4:34:40 PM] E:speon: Exo
  376. [4:34:46 PM] Rafi: Cmon, trust isn't built on lies
  377. [4:35:05 PM] E:speon: Well, you haven't really done anything to make me trust you
  378. [4:35:12 PM] Rafi: So you admit to lying to me
  379. [4:35:19 PM] E:speon: You could be lying too
  380. [4:35:25 PM] Rafi: I have no reason to
  381. [4:35:31 PM] Rafi: I don't want enemies this early
  382. [4:35:36 PM] Rafi: I just want information
  383. [4:35:40 PM] Rafi: Lets say I lie
  384. [4:35:54 PM] Rafi: It means that someone else claims the same alias as myself
  385. [4:36:01 PM] Rafi: Where does that leave me?
  386. [4:36:17 PM] Rafi: So you put me in a quandry
  387. [4:36:29 PM] Rafi: I've essentially surrendered my alias to you for nothing
  388. [4:36:42 PM] Rafi: How can I trust anything you say from now on?
  389. [4:36:46 PM] E:speon: alright I see your point
  390. [10:18:44 AM] Life: sylveonzaroark
  391. [10:18:53 AM] Makaze: Thanks
  392. [10:19:06 AM] Makaze: I haven't talked to them yet
  393. [10:19:12 AM] Makaze: In either game
  394. [10:19:12 AM] Life: Mutual backscratching
  395. [10:21:23 AM] Makaze: I feel it wasn't an even trade and that you believed me already, but I would do the same in your position
  396. [10:21:28 AM] Makaze: Can't fault you for that
  397. [10:23:43 AM] Makaze: And it would be great if you didn't shoot me over it
  398. [10:23:48 AM] Makaze: As a bonus
  399. [10:23:54 AM] Life: I'm not going to shoot you
  400. [10:24:00 AM] Life: And now I believe you
  401. [10:24:05 AM] Makaze: If you thought it was a fake alias I mean
  402. [10:24:30 AM] Life: Naw
  403. [10:24:38 AM] Life: I wasn't completely sure before
  404. [10:24:43 AM] Life: But now I trust you
  405. [10:25:30 AM] Makaze: I've heard th at you've been claiming a more powerful version of.your role to others
  406. [10:25:47 AM] Life: What do you mean?
  407. [10:26:27 AM] Makaze: Someone said you claimed you could target both in same night with the break
  408. [10:26:41 AM] Life: That's a lie
  409. [10:26:49 AM] Life: Who said it and do you have a log?
  410. [10:27:23 AM] Makaze: I feel the same way you do about the alias thing
  411. [10:27:53 AM] Makaze: I'm my position your claim to me is too weak to be real, no offence
  412. [10:27:57 AM] Life: Fair enough but it's not the same as an alias fuck-up
  413. [10:28:05 AM] Life: I'll give you a role for it
  414. [10:28:06 AM] Makaze: True
  415. [10:28:10 AM] Life: And a good one
  416. [10:28:19 AM] Makaze: User name?
  417. [10:28:25 AM] Life: Oh yeah
  418. [10:28:41 AM] Life: But do you have a log?
  419. [10:28:46 AM] Makaze: Yes
  420. [10:28:58 AM] Makaze: Not where you said that
  421. [10:29:02 AM] Life: Perfect
  422. [10:29:15 AM] Life: Clarinets repairs BPVs before kills go across
  423. [10:29:29 AM] Life: Now log me up
  424. [10:30:00 AM] Makaze: I'm on my phone
  425. [10:30:09 AM] Makaze: How do incopy.multiple mesa gee s
  426. [10:30:15 AM] Life: Fine, give me a name now and log later
  427. [10:30:20 AM] Makaze: Okay
  428. [10:30:24 AM] Makaze: Gaius
  429. [10:30:38 AM] Life: Why am I not surprised...
  430. [10:31:43 AM] Makaze: Lol
  431. [10:32:39 AM] Life: Time for me to talk to LG agai
  432. [10:33:18 AM] Makaze: Best if it doesn't come out i told you
  433. [10:37:01 AM] Life: [5:34:28 PM] Rafi: [5:25:30 PM] <SNIP>: I've heard th at you've been claiming a more powerful version of.your role to others
  434. [5:25:46 PM] Rafi: What do you mean?
  435. [5:26:27 PM] <SNIP>: Someone said you claimed you could target both in same night with the break
  436. [5:26:41 PM] Rafi: That's a lie
  437. [5:26:49 PM] Rafi: Who said it and do you have a log?
  438. [5:30:00 PM] <SNIP>: I'm on my phone
  439. [5:30:09 PM] <SNIP>: How do incopy.multiple mesa gee s
  440. [5:30:14 PM] Rafi: Fine, give me a name now and log later
  441. [5:30:20 PM] <SNIP>: Okay
  442. [5:30:24 PM] <SNIP>: Gaius
  443.  
  444. <<<
  445. [10:37:20 AM] Makaze: Works for me
  446. [10:37:35 AM] Life: I know how to cut info when needed
  447. [10:37:55 AM] rafi.broer: This is why I love holding onto logs
  448. [11:05:55 AM] Makaze: looks like gaius did the math and figured out it was me anyway
  449. [11:05:57 AM] Makaze: rip
  450. [11:06:33 AM] Makaze: he just told me he misread and you trueclaimed your role
  451. [11:06:38 AM] Makaze: i'm sorry for doubting you
  452. [11:11:27 AM] Makaze: since you have a huge target on your back, it might be best if you didn't tell people not to shoot Kai
  453. they will think it's you, probably
  454. [11:14:32 AM] Makaze: basically use best judgment to not get me shot
  455. [11:14:41 AM] Makaze: i'll do the same for you
  456. [11:14:49 AM] Makaze: that includes not telling others I'm allying with you
  457. [11:40:28 AM] Makaze: Tell me when you're online
  458. [3:04:21 PM] Makaze: [12:48:09 PM] Life: Deal
  459. [12:48:16 PM] Life: I'm not really online
  460. [12:48:43 PM] Makaze: lol
  461. [12:48:54 PM] Life: I'm hungry
  462. [12:49:12 PM] Life: Also, Gaius told me that he misread what I sent him about my role
  463.  
  464. ** POST IN THREAD: http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=60379&page=5#entry4227476 **
  465.  
  466. [1:10:39 PM] Makaze: It's been fun.
  467. [1:17:35 PM] Life: I'm eating
  468. [1:17:37 PM] Life: Not talking
  469. [1:18:13 PM] Makaze: Munch munch. Gobble gobble. Gulp.
  470. [2:38:20 PM] Life: So... buddy.
  471. [2:38:28 PM] Life: I think it's time we had a serious chat.
  472. [2:38:52 PM] Makaze: Eeeeh.
  473. [2:38:56 PM] Makaze: I'm fine.
  474. [2:39:06 PM] Life: Really.
  475. [2:40:11 PM] Life: I'd love to hear where these baseless accusations came from.
  476. [2:40:21 PM] Makaze: I'm sure.
  477. [2:40:29 PM] Makaze: It's been fun, but I've got to ditch you.
  478. [2:40:32 PM] Life: You're sure about what?
  479. [2:41:02 PM] Makaze: You tell me.
  480. [2:41:30 PM] Life: I simply want an explanation.
  481. [2:41:38 PM] Life: I feel you owe me this.
  482. [2:42:02 PM] Makaze: I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but we are too much alike.
  483. [2:42:06 PM] Makaze: It just wasn't meant to be.
  484. [2:42:21 PM] Life: That's funny.
  485. [2:42:27 PM] Life: Really funny.
  486. [2:42:54 PM] Life: I'd like to know why you think I lied about my alias name and role.
  487. [2:43:25 PM] Makaze: That is an explanation you won't get.
  488. [2:43:42 PM] Makaze: Ask mephistopheles.
  489. [2:44:04 PM] Life: Alright, I'll be real.
  490. [2:44:12 PM] Life: Completely honest.
  491. [2:44:21 PM] Life: I shared my spreadsheet with one person.
  492. [2:44:43 PM] Life: I know that person screwed me.
  493. [2:45:07 PM] Life: And we both know who it is.
  494. [2:45:21 PM] Life: So what I would like to know.
  495. [2:45:45 PM] Life: Is why you didn't have the decency to inform me when I informed you about Blitz's intentions.
  496. [2:46:20 PM] Makaze: Blitz's intentions were obvious. You gave me nothing of value.
  497. [2:46:20 PM] Life: And if your answer is what I think it is, I know where I stand.
  498. [2:47:14 PM] Makaze: I play similarly to you. Very similarly.
  499. [2:47:20 PM] Makaze: I don't need that kind of competition.
  500. [2:47:45 PM] Life: So Elieson shared all the info I had with you. Thanks for confirming it.
  501. [2:48:22 PM] Makaze: I admit, you're more fun to taunt than I thought.
  502. [2:48:31 PM] Life: Oh, I'm not done.
  503. [2:48:34 PM] Life: ;-)
  504. [2:48:52 PM] Life: I mean, this is Makaze talking.
  505. [2:48:58 PM] Life: Who really believes you?
  506. [2:49:05 PM] Life: Everyone thinks I'm washed up.
  507. [2:49:32 PM] Makaze: That is a good question, but you will be dead before long.
  508. [2:49:41 PM] Life: Hmm... I don't think so.
  509. [2:50:16 PM] Makaze: Let's place our bets. My pride and yours.
  510. [2:51:59 PM] Life: The funny part is, you're amazingly cocky.
  511. [2:54:48 PM] Makaze: I love you, man.
  512. [2:55:07 PM] Life: Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
  513. [2:55:15 PM] Makaze: I really do.
  514. [2:55:48 PM] Life: Let me guess, you didn't offer a single piece of true information.
  515. [2:56:04 PM] Makaze: Sore wa himitsu desu.
  516. [2:56:15 PM] Life: I don't speak slanty eyes.
  517. [2:56:25 PM] Makaze: translators note: lol
  518. [2:56:35 PM] Life: I don't speak retard.
  519. [2:56:38 PM] Life: Yes or no.
  520. [2:57:16 PM] Makaze: I'm not sure this can go anywhere from here.
  521. [2:57:19 PM] Makaze: Best give up now.
  522. [3:25:57 PM] Makaze: [3:08:30 PM] Life: I don't think so.
  523. [3:08:36 PM] Life: Maybe a bit of MAD.
  524. [3:08:42 PM] Makaze: MAD?
  525. [3:16:36 PM] Life: Mutually Assured Destruction.
  526. [3:16:39 PM] Life: I can go down.
  527. [3:16:42 PM] Makaze: Aaah
  528. [3:16:44 PM] Life: No problem.
  529. [3:16:50 PM] Makaze: I respect that.
  530. [3:16:56 PM] Life: I'm just going to make you public enemy number 1.
  531. [3:17:23 PM] Life: I'm going to continue telling people that you deserve to win and they should all concede the game to you right now.
  532. [3:17:51 PM] Life: Because god forbid should we let someone other than you and Elieson win.
  533. [3:18:39 PM] Makaze: lol
  534. [3:18:48 PM] Makaze: You know what's hilarious.
  535. [3:18:57 PM] Makaze: Nevermind. You'll figure it out.
  536. [3:19:22 PM] Life: You guessed my username? Out of over 30?
  537. [3:19:37 PM] Makaze: You'll see.
  538. [3:19:52 PM] Life: Oh, there's a connection to be made.
  539. [3:20:00 PM] Life: But I don't think people are smart enough.
  540. [3:20:07 PM] Life: To make it, per say.
  541. [3:22:48 PM] Makaze: Mmm.
  542. [3:23:17 PM] Life: Look.
  543. [3:23:23 PM] Life: I made up the name gravedigger.
  544. [3:23:36 PM] Life: I never actually told anyone that that was the name of the role.
  545. [3:23:44 PM] Life: So even if you made the Arrow connection.
  546. [3:23:48 PM] Life: Doesn't explain the role.
  547. [3:23:55 PM] Life: Unless Elie fed it to you.
  548. [3:24:00 PM] Life: So... goodnight.
  549. [3:24:21 PM] Makaze: Night.
  550. [3:32:05 PM] Makaze: Any updates from the sheet, Chen?
  551. [3:35:29 PM] Life: Who's Chen?
  552. [3:35:34 PM] Life: Whoops.
  553. [3:36:21 PM] Makaze: Oh
  554. [3:36:24 PM] Makaze: Wrong chat
  555. [3:36:25 PM] Makaze: lol
  556. [3:36:32 PM] Life: Oops.
  557. [3:41:27 PM] Makaze: Okay
  558. [3:41:37 PM] Makaze: damn, I need to just hide this chat
  559. [3:41:38 PM] Makaze: lol
  560. [3:41:53 PM] Life: Oh don't worry.
  561. [3:41:56 PM] Life: I'm gonna die.
  562. [3:42:01 PM] Makaze has changed the chat topic to "DEAD LIFE EIMM 6".
  563. [3:42:03 PM] Life: I'm just going to make sure you lose too.
  564. [3:42:26 PM] Life: I don't care about winning.
  565. [3:42:44 PM] Life: I would, however, like to know why you publicly outed my information.
  566. [3:43:20 PM] Makaze: I knew there were more people who wanted you dead than I could private chat.
  567. [3:44:44 PM] Life: You screwed yourself.
  568. [3:44:53 PM] Life: You had to know that I'd be going against you.
  569. [3:46:24 PM] Makaze: I knew.
  570. [3:46:45 PM] Makaze: But I love a good gamble.
  571. [3:46:53 PM] Life: That's not a good gamble.
  572. [3:47:21 PM] Makaze: We're equally sure of ourselves, so we just have to see who comes out on top.
  573. [3:48:29 PM] Life: Here's the thing.
  574. [3:48:33 PM] Life: I know I've lost.
  575. [3:48:45 PM] Life: You're still deluded into thinking that you've won.
  576. [3:48:57 PM] Life: Remember, if you die, you also lose.
  577. [3:49:07 PM] Makaze: If I survive past n2, I've attained my own goal.
  578. [3:49:13 PM] Life: Really?
  579. [3:49:15 PM] Life: You win?
  580. [3:49:15 PM] Makaze: Yes.
  581. [3:49:24 PM] Makaze: Winning is a matter of perspective.
  582. [3:49:34 PM] Life: No it isn't
  583. [3:49:51 PM] Life: I bet you also believe in participation trophies.
  584. [3:49:57 PM] Makaze: It is. The rules of the game only exist in the sense that people play by them.
  585. [3:50:07 PM] Makaze: Nah.
  586. [3:50:14 PM] Paperblade: rofl
  587. [3:50:19 PM] Life: Tell me, are you a moron?
  588. [3:50:26 PM] Life: Seriously.
  589. [3:50:33 PM] Life: Did your parents drop you as a child?
  590. [3:50:37 PM] Makaze: LOL
  591. [3:50:57 PM] Makaze: You are the best entertainment I've ever had. I'm serious. I can't get better than this.
  592. [3:51:05 PM] Makaze: Even if I die I've won in my mind.
  593. [3:51:11 PM] Makaze: This game is about having fun.
  594. [3:51:27 PM] Life: So you are a moron.
  595. [3:51:47 PM] Life: Here's your participation trophy.
  596. [3:52:29 PM] Life: (champagne)
  597.  
  598. ** END NIGHT 1, LIFE DIES **
  599.  
  600. Monday, February 15, 2016
  601. [2:42:44 AM] Life: Looks like Operation Crash and Burn went into effect
  602. [2:42:52 AM] Life: You didn't even survive N1
  603. [2:43:02 AM] Life: Don't taunt me next time, kid
  604. [2:43:44 AM] Makaze: Check again.
  605. [2:47:00 AM] Life: According to Paper's sheet, you should be dead
  606. [2:47:17 AM] Makaze: Read the thread.
  607. [2:47:25 AM] Life: I'm looking at the master sheet
  608. [2:47:34 AM] Makaze: I'm sure you are.
  609. [2:48:18 AM] Life: You realize that for taunting me and screwing me from the get-go, I will now only play to fuck you from day 1, right?
  610. [2:48:23 AM] Life: You and Chen
  611. [2:48:30 AM] Life: Honestly, that was not cool
  612. [2:48:38 AM] Makaze: I respect that.
  613. [2:48:44 AM] Life: I don't
  614. [2:49:01 AM] Life: I think that you're a little bitch with his head stuck up his ass
  615. [2:49:02 AM] Makaze: You know what your problem is? You're not having fun.
  616. [2:49:15 AM] Life: No, I think the deck was stacked against me
  617. [2:49:40 AM] Life: But if you act like a cunt, I'll treat you like a bitch
  618. [2:49:55 AM] Life: Whatever, you won't survive tonight
  619. [2:50:00 AM] Makaze: We can have fun in any situation. You chose to lie to me, and it cost you dearly.
  620. [2:50:11 AM] Life: No it didnt
  621. [2:50:17 AM] Life: You had my info anyway
  622. [2:50:21 AM] Life: Via Chen
  623. [2:50:28 AM] Life: You little cuntbag
  624. [2:50:33 AM] Makaze: If you hadn't lied, I wouldn't have betrayed you.
  625. [2:50:38 AM] Life: Bullshit
  626. [2:50:46 AM] Life: And you know it
  627. [2:50:50 AM] Life: You didn't outplay me
  628. [2:51:09 AM] Life: Unless you consider looking at the mastersheet and leaking my name to 30 other people outplaying
  629. [2:51:15 AM] Life: It's called being a snitch
  630. [2:51:16 AM] Makaze: I gave you my true alias and you had the gall to call me a liar and blackmail me out of two roles knowing full well it was most likely I was the real one, and yours was a fake.
  631. [2:51:22 AM] Makaze: That was what did you in.
  632. [2:51:33 AM] Life: Dude
  633. [2:51:38 AM] Life: I got shot by 8 people
  634. [2:51:41 AM] Life: 8
  635. [2:51:45 AM] Life: It took 8 to take me out
  636. [2:51:57 AM] Makaze: Nah. It only took 2.
  637. [2:52:06 AM] Life: Ok, 6 people wasted shots
  638. [2:52:09 AM] Makaze: And a block on Ms Andrews.
  639. [2:52:25 AM] Life: The point is
  640. [2:52:28 AM] Life: You didn't outplay me
  641. [2:52:34 AM] Life: Even Paper agrees
  642. [2:52:42 AM] Makaze: I don't believe I outplayed you.
  643. [2:52:44 AM] Life: He also thinks you're a little bitch by your play
  644. [2:52:46 AM] Makaze: Chen's role broke the game.
  645. [2:52:53 AM] Makaze: I did have fun with you.
  646. [2:53:00 AM] Makaze: And that's what matters.
  647. [2:53:06 AM] Life: Alright bitch
  648. [2:53:21 AM] Life: Just know that you brought this on yourself
  649. [2:53:35 AM] Life: I will now personally make sure that you never survive N1
  650. [2:53:48 AM] Makaze: I will love having you around.
  651. [2:53:51 AM] Life: If it loses me every future game
  652. [2:53:54 AM] Life: So be it
  653. [2:54:08 AM] Life: Because you need to be taken down a peg
  654. [2:54:08 AM] Makaze: You have made this the funnest game I have ever played.
  655. [2:54:38 AM] Life: Well, your mom made last night a fun one too but you don't see me spouting that everywhere
  656. [2:54:49 AM] Life: Speaking of which, is she always that loose?
  657. [2:55:31 AM] Life: Or is it just because Daddy isn't good at his job anymore?
  658. [2:57:40 AM] Life: Yeah bitchface, suddenly you're quiet, eh?
  659. [3:00:04 AM] Makaze: Nope, I can't think of anything more hilarious than leaving you like that.
  660. [3:00:18 AM] Life: I'm still the king
  661. [3:00:24 AM] Life: And you're still the bitch
  662. [3:00:52 AM] Life: So don't delude yourself into thinking that you're like me and even on my level of play
  663. [3:01:18 AM] Life: At best, you're mediocre but even Blitz (a shit player) is better than you
  664. [3:01:27 AM] Life: And he's a full blown retard
  665. [3:01:36 AM] Makaze: I can't make this up.
  666. [3:01:45 AM] Life: I know
  667. [3:01:51 AM] Life: It's all true
  668.  
  669. ** I DIE **
  670.  
  671. Thursday, February 18, 2016
  672. [11:43:13 AM] Life: It's actually kinda gratifying
  673. [11:43:32 AM] Life: Unlike me, you're not good at actually winning
  674. [11:43:50 AM] Life: I'd rather be the first death than pretty much the last
  675. [2:55:15 PM] Makaze: Got any netflix suggestions?
  676. [2:55:27 PM] Life: Yeah
  677. [2:55:30 PM] Life: Daredevil
  678. [2:55:34 PM] Life: Jessica Jones
  679. [2:55:41 PM] Makaze: seen both unfortunately
  680. [2:55:49 PM] Life: Aside from that, I don't have netflix
  681. [2:55:54 PM] Life: Not available in Israel
  682. [2:55:59 PM] Makaze: sucks
  683. [2:56:04 PM] Life: Meh
  684. [2:56:09 PM] Life: Doesn't matter
  685. [2:56:29 PM] Makaze: when you can pirate, i guess
  686. [2:56:56 PM] Makaze: i did try to go for a makaze/elie win
  687. [2:56:59 PM] Makaze: it was too ambitious
  688. [2:57:01 PM] Makaze: alas
  689. [2:57:12 PM] Makaze: shoutout for the suggestion
  690. [2:58:29 PM] Life: The problem is that you're too cocky
  691. [2:58:40 PM] Life: You think too highly of yourself
  692. [2:58:40 PM] Makaze: i tend to agree
  693. [2:58:46 PM] Makaze: but it makes things interesting
  694. [2:58:50 PM] Life: I know I'll never win a game
  695. [2:58:51 PM] Life: Naw
  696. [2:58:58 PM] Life: I'd rather be first out than last
  697. [2:59:11 PM] Life: First out means that I'm the name that stands out
  698. [2:59:17 PM] Makaze: meh
  699. [2:59:18 PM] Life: Last out means that I failed to win
  700. [2:59:36 PM] Makaze: i stand out if I live past n1, in my experience
  701. [2:59:44 PM] Life: Face it, you lost worst than I did
  702. [2:59:52 PM] Life: I had everyone gunning for me
  703. [3:00:22 PM] Life: It literally took the entire player base to ensure that I died
  704. [3:00:40 PM] Life: Besides
  705. [3:00:49 PM] Life: I've already proved myself in the past
  706. [3:00:53 PM] Life: I won PTG
  707. [3:00:55 PM] Makaze: it only took chen tbh
  708. [3:01:02 PM] Life: Where it was 2v1
  709. [3:01:22 PM] Life: Naw, I almost saved myself in other ways
  710. [3:01:35 PM] Life: But nobody was willing to pull a solid for me
  711. [3:01:50 PM] Life: Wait for the postgame
  712. [3:01:55 PM] Life: Paper will explain
  713. [3:02:04 PM] Makaze: i was able to get ms andrews blocked, it only took chen and one delayer
  714. [3:02:18 PM] Makaze: chen because the sheet showed ms andrews was targetting you
  715. [3:02:26 PM] Makaze: we wouldn't have known otherwise
  716. [3:02:29 PM] Life: Which was a bullshit role
  717. [3:02:38 PM] Life: She thought I told everyone
  718. [3:02:46 PM] Life: Which we both know wasn't true
  719. [3:02:49 PM] Life: Besides
  720. [3:02:58 PM] Life: It took literally 10 people to make sure that I died
  721. [3:03:06 PM] Makaze: that is not true lol
  722. [3:03:14 PM] Makaze: my group had you read to rights without the rest
  723. [3:03:19 PM] Makaze: they were there for overkill
  724. [3:03:40 PM] Makaze: if by 10 people you mean it took 10 people not helping you for you to die, well
  725. [3:03:48 PM] Makaze: that's a different meaning of needing 10 to die
  726. [3:04:01 PM] Life: Was Hannah on your team?
  727. [3:04:03 PM] Makaze: yes
  728. [3:04:13 PM] Life: At least I put a bullet in her
  729. [3:04:16 PM] Makaze: chen/lg/hannah
  730. [3:04:32 PM] Makaze: she was the thing holding us back tbh
  731. [3:04:36 PM] Makaze: did us a favor in the long run
  732. [3:04:56 PM] Makaze: people knew giaus was pinned if she was alive
  733. [3:05:03 PM] Makaze: we gained room to ally after she died
  734. [3:05:37 PM] Life: If I wasn't so well known, I could easily have gone far in the game
  735. [3:05:49 PM] Life: Problem was that my head was on the chopping block from the get-go
  736. [3:05:51 PM] Life: Besides
  737. [3:06:00 PM] Life: Why did you put my name out into the open?
  738. [3:06:14 PM] Life: You had to guess that I'd do my best to screw you and Chen
  739. [3:07:17 PM] Makaze: I was hurt that you lied to me when I told you the truth and tried to make me feel bad, it's a classic gaslighting tactic. I decided I'd like to make this one flashy.
  740. [3:07:34 PM] Life: Think about it from my perpective
  741. [3:07:39 PM] Life: Of course I lied
  742. [3:07:52 PM] Life: I knew that if my alias got out to a single person, it would get passed around
  743. [3:08:03 PM] Life: For the same reason you put it out there
  744. [3:08:13 PM] Life: Because I'm Life
  745. [3:08:17 PM] Life: Everyone wanted me dead
  746. [3:08:46 PM] Life: I had no friends and no pre-made alliances going into the game
  747. [3:08:58 PM] Life: Nobody was going to ally with me on a close level
  748. [3:09:01 PM] Makaze: I wanted to trust you because it was our first interaction. I had misgivings from the start as you saw. But I dislike backstabbing people before getting to know them. Especially power players like you.
  749. [3:09:09 PM] Makaze: But you didn't give me that chance.
  750. [3:09:14 PM] Life: And the one person I tried to ended up selling me out
  751. [3:09:22 PM] Life: I don't trust people who know my rep
  752. [3:09:32 PM] Life: And judging from my first conversation with Blitz
  753. [3:09:36 PM] Life: Which was before I spoke to you
  754. [3:09:48 PM] Life: I wasn't going to give out my alias
  755. [3:09:52 PM] Life: Or even role
  756. [3:09:58 PM] Life: Everything else would be true
  757. [3:10:03 PM] Makaze: i get it
  758. [3:10:12 PM] Life: But Blitz basically told me that everyone was gunning for me first
  759. [3:10:16 PM] Makaze: but from my perspective you were going to kill me first chance you got
  760. [3:10:20 PM] Life: No
  761. [3:10:24 PM] Life: Actually I wasn't
  762. [3:10:33 PM] Life: Only when you sold me out to the public did I
  763. [3:10:43 PM] Life: I was planning on holding a soft alliance with you
  764. [3:10:52 PM] Makaze: you don't lie to people you plan to end the game with
  765. you lie to people you plan to kill
  766. [3:10:58 PM] Life: No
  767. [3:11:04 PM] Life: Doesn't work that way
  768. [3:11:09 PM] Life: I lie to keep myself safe
  769. [3:11:23 PM] Life: If you hadn't had access to the spreadsheet
  770. [3:11:33 PM] Life: You wouldn't have known
  771. [3:11:35 PM] Makaze: i'd have figured it out by n2 tbh
  772. [3:11:37 PM] Life: And I wouldn't have aimed for you
  773. [3:11:40 PM] Life: Oh probably
  774. [3:11:41 PM] Makaze: by PoE
  775. [3:11:47 PM] Life: And we would have talked
  776. [3:11:52 PM] Life: Rather than you selling me out
  777. [3:12:00 PM] Life: And I would have told you the exact same thing
  778. [3:12:17 PM] Life: But Blitz (and Lil Bean) told me that a lot of people wanted my head
  779. [3:12:24 PM] Life: And Paper confirmed it after I died
  780. [3:12:36 PM] Life: He said that he didn't expect me to last N1
  781. [3:12:40 PM] Life: He wanted me to
  782. [3:12:43 PM] Makaze: there were multiple motivations for selling you out
  783. [3:12:53 PM] Life: That's not the point
  784. [3:12:59 PM] Life: Forget you for a second
  785. [3:13:06 PM] Life: Mitsuki wanted me gone
  786. [3:13:14 PM] Life: Rein may have wanted me gone
  787. [3:13:20 PM] Life: Blitz wanted me gone
  788. [3:13:28 PM] Life: Gaius (and Hannah) wanted me gone
  789. [3:13:37 PM] Life: Before the game started
  790. [3:13:41 PM] Life: Not after
  791. [3:13:42 PM] Life: Before
  792. [3:13:47 PM] Life: I was dead man walking
  793. [3:13:58 PM] Life: I knew it
  794. [3:14:10 PM] Life: Oh and Refa wanted me gone
  795. [3:14:19 PM] Life: Those are all people I've played with at some point
  796. [3:14:43 PM] Makaze: I'm not seeing the point.
  797. [3:14:47 PM] Life: The point is
  798. [3:14:57 PM] Life: That even if I didn't have a single conversation with you
  799. [3:15:10 PM] Life: I still had enough people who had me as priority kill #1
  800. [3:15:19 PM] Life: From the word go
  801. [3:15:32 PM] Life: So you're not special
  802. [3:15:40 PM] Life: All you did was ensure my death
  803. [3:15:45 PM] Makaze: Your reasoning is faulty.
  804. [3:15:50 PM] Life: Not really
  805. [3:16:03 PM] Life: It's not difficult to understand
  806. [3:16:10 PM] Makaze: I am special because I made a scene about being the one to take you down. Killing you was easy. I could have done it quietly. My name wouldn't even come up.
  807. [3:16:20 PM] Life: That's not the point
  808. [3:16:26 PM] Life: How about like this
  809. [3:16:32 PM] Life: If you weren't even playing
  810. [3:16:40 PM] Life: I would still have a target on my head
  811. [3:16:46 PM] Life: From the beginning
  812. [3:17:01 PM] Life: All you did was help facilitate the whole thing
  813. [3:17:07 PM] Life: But it doesn't matter
  814. [3:17:08 PM] Life: Because
  815. [3:17:19 PM] Life: Elieson sold me out immediately
  816. [3:17:28 PM] Makaze: I get it, but I don't see the point because I'm not proud of killing you itself.
  817. [3:17:46 PM] Makaze: It doesn't discount any of my reasons for being happy.
  818. [3:18:02 PM] Life: It means that you're happy for not really doing anything
  819. [3:18:13 PM] Makaze: Depends on what you consider doing anything.
  820. [3:18:17 PM] Life: It wasn't a smart play
  821. [3:18:28 PM] Life: But it was a lucky one
  822. [3:18:36 PM] Makaze: Because of what I did this will forever be known as the Life x Makaze game.
  823. [3:18:42 PM] Life: Not really
  824. [3:18:49 PM] Life: You pride yourself too much
  825. [3:18:54 PM] Life: Think about it like this
  826. [3:19:00 PM] Life: You have an army
  827. [3:19:05 PM] Makaze: I'm going from the amount of fanart floating around in deadchat.
  828. [3:19:13 PM] Life: I have a rusted sword with one hand tied behind my back
  829. [3:19:24 PM] Life: And you still think it was a fair fight
  830. [3:19:33 PM] Life: It just shows how deluded you are
  831. [3:19:35 PM] Makaze: That's wrong.
  832. [3:19:44 PM] Makaze: I don't think it was fair.
  833. [3:19:51 PM] Makaze: I think it was fun to kick you while you were down.
  834. [3:20:07 PM] Life: Sorry, you're impressed that you beat me when the odds were against me
  835. [3:20:16 PM] Life: If I had Chen's role, I would have won the game
  836. [3:20:22 PM] Makaze: I literally just said I wasn't proud of beating you.
  837. [3:20:24 PM] Life: It's that simple
  838. [3:20:35 PM] Life: Then what are you?
  839. [3:20:46 PM] Makaze: I am proud of making you embarrass yourself.
  840. [3:20:51 PM] Life: OHHHHHHHHHHH
  841. [3:20:54 PM] Life: See that's the thing
  842. [3:21:03 PM] Life: I don't embarrass myself
  843. [3:21:06 PM] Life: I don't feel shame
  844. [3:21:34 PM] Makaze: You don't need to feel embarrassed to be an embarrassment.
  845. [3:21:48 PM] Life: At least I'm not first loser
  846. [3:21:53 PM] Life: You know
  847. [3:22:07 PM] Life: The guy that almost made it to the end but showed that he'll never be good enough
  848. [3:22:19 PM] Life: I have a legitimate mafia game win under my belt
  849. [3:22:24 PM] Life: Where I was MVP
  850. [3:22:36 PM] Life: Years before your time
  851. [3:22:42 PM] Life: I will always be the king
  852. [3:22:54 PM] Makaze: I'm not sure why you think winning matters to me after all we've been through.
  853. [3:23:09 PM] Life: Because I think you're a mediocre player
  854. [3:23:24 PM] Life: You're not bad
  855. [3:23:36 PM] Life: Mediocre
  856. [3:23:50 PM] Life: That's more your speed
  857. [3:23:51 PM] Makaze: You're proving it to yourself though.
  858. [3:24:01 PM] Life: You forget
  859. [3:24:02 PM] Life: I'm the king
  860. [3:24:08 PM] Life: What I say goes
  861. [3:24:15 PM] Makaze: Pfff
  862. [3:24:22 PM] Life: Don't get upset
  863. [3:24:31 PM] Life: You're not the first person who tried to dethrone the king
  864. [3:24:36 PM] Life: You won't be the last
  865. [3:24:41 PM] Life: You'll just be forgettable
  866. [3:25:04 PM] Makaze: I'm resigned to never get this close to a perfect game again, it doesn't bother me, but I have a feeling it does you.
  867. [3:25:13 PM] Makaze: And you're projecting.
  868. [3:25:27 PM] Makaze: I've made too many enemies.
  869. [3:25:32 PM] Makaze: I'll become the new you.
  870. [3:25:32 PM] Life: Frustrates me a bit because I didn't realize how badly the odds against me were stacked
  871. [3:25:37 PM] Life: No, you wont
  872. [3:25:42 PM] Makaze: With you on my case it will be worse than before.
  873. [3:25:45 PM] Life: That implies that you're a good player
  874. [3:25:51 PM] Life: Which again, you're not
  875. [3:26:23 PM] Life: Like I said
  876. [3:26:29 PM] Life: You think you've dethroned the king
  877. [3:26:34 PM] Life: You haven't
  878. [3:26:37 PM] Life: Nobody has
  879. [3:26:41 PM] Life: Ask Paperblade
  880. [3:26:46 PM] Makaze: You aren't killed because you're good, that's a misconception. In the general base you're considered technically skilled but winning people over is a part of being good. We are both joked about as being the best... at making enemies.
  881. [3:27:01 PM] Life: I don't make enemies
  882. [3:27:09 PM] Life: I make people see my way through logic
  883. [3:27:12 PM] Life: The thing is
  884. [3:27:21 PM] Life: Everyone wanted my head before the game started
  885. [3:27:25 PM] Life: So I didn't have a chance
  886. [3:27:27 PM] Life: So yes
  887. [3:27:30 PM] Life: I was frustrated
  888. [3:27:39 PM] Life: I was frustrated that I wasted 48 hours
  889. [3:27:59 PM] Life: Paper said that I was gone from the beginning
  890. [3:28:13 PM] Life: Even before you posted my alias out in the open
  891. [3:28:29 PM] Life: You give yourself too much credit
  892. [3:28:59 PM] Life: You're a mediocre player who got lucky because he managed to ally with someone (probably before the game started) who happened to have a broken role
  893. [3:29:03 PM] Life: Information is power
  894. [3:29:09 PM] Life: I had to go out and gather my own
  895. [3:29:22 PM] Life: You confuse lucky for good
  896. [3:29:27 PM] Life: So does everyone else
  897. [3:29:43 PM] Life: Once you have everyone's alias and role, the game simply becomes a puzzle
  898. [3:29:48 PM] Life: But when you start with nothing
  899. [3:29:50 PM] Life: And no allies
  900. [3:29:55 PM] Life: And have to work from there
  901. [3:30:05 PM] Life: Then your real skill shows
  902. [3:30:09 PM] Life: You have little
  903. [3:30:12 PM] Life: Some
  904. [3:30:14 PM] Life: Not much
  905. [3:30:26 PM] Life: Probably a bit less than Blitz
  906. [3:30:35 PM] Life: About the same level of LG
  907. [3:30:45 PM] Life: Definitely less than Mitsuki
  908. [3:30:50 PM] Life: And Elieson
  909. [3:31:05 PM] Life: Somewhere around Rein
  910. [3:31:19 PM] Life: That's about it for people I know of who played
  911. [3:31:45 PM] Life: More than Lil Bean but she's not a good player
  912. [3:32:09 PM] Life: The amount of info she told me was staggering
  913. [3:32:13 PM] Life: And it was all correct
  914. [3:32:24 PM] Life: And I gave her almost nothing in return
  915. [3:32:25 PM] Makaze: If you get to a point where you have to fight tooth and nail to survive against an army of people who want you dead, your own "skill" has led you to be hated that much. And that means your skill has a fault. It doesn't work in the long term. It is a tradeoff.
  916. [3:32:38 PM] Life: I didn't "get to a point"
  917. [3:32:40 PM] Life: I was there
  918. [3:32:43 PM] Life: From the start
  919. [3:32:43 PM] Makaze: Yes you did.
  920. [3:32:47 PM] Life: Before the game started
  921. [3:32:52 PM] Life: Understand that
  922. [3:33:15 PM] Life: It's not that I'm hated
  923. [3:33:19 PM] Life: It's that I'm respected
  924. [3:33:35 PM] Life: I was always one of the first to die or I won
  925. [3:33:41 PM] Life: It's respect
  926. [3:33:52 PM] Life: I'm either killed because I'm smarter than everyone else
  927. [3:34:00 PM] Life: Or I don't die because I have more information
  928. [3:34:10 PM] Life: It's one or the either
  929. [3:34:19 PM] Makaze: When it's either fear or you won, that means you don't have anyone who trusts you absolutely, and you will never, ever win an EIMM.
  930. [3:34:23 PM] Life: I never make it to midgame
  931. [3:34:29 PM] Life: No, I won't.
  932. [3:34:34 PM] Life: I also won't join one
  933. [3:34:48 PM] Life: Unless I get a guarantee from a host that I can survive N1
  934. [3:35:41 PM] Life: As long as I can survive N1 where I am the priority because I am Life, I'll play
  935. [3:35:50 PM] Life: From N2 on, I'm no longer priority
  936. [3:35:56 PM] Life: The priority shifts to alliances
  937. [3:36:01 PM] Life: And once that starts
  938. [3:36:06 PM] Life: I'll end up winning
  939. [3:36:26 PM] Life: Because I'm smarter than everyone else
  940. [3:36:37 PM] Makaze: The point is if you changed the way you play to include being trusting and trustworthy, you would survive N1. Therefore you can become more skilled by being friendly and trusting. Especially in the long game, with more EIMMs ahead. If you neglect this then you cannot fairly blame everyone for wanting you dead before the game begins. Because the game started the first time you showed you couldn't be trusted, however many games ago that was.
  941. [3:36:59 PM] Life: Here's another idea
  942. [3:37:10 PM] Life: Why not come to me in private?
  943. [3:37:24 PM] Life: Why not call me out in private about me lying?
  944. [3:37:28 PM] Life: Spite?
  945. [3:37:33 PM] Life: Stupidity?
  946. [3:37:39 PM] Life: It's one of the two
  947. [3:37:51 PM] Life: I say a bit of both.
  948. [3:38:17 PM] Makaze: A little of both, but stupidity requires irrationality, and rationality is defined relative to a goal. If you assume it's to win the game, that doesn't apply to me as much as having fun.
  949. [3:38:37 PM] Life: And the fact that you still don't get that I was a walking target even without talking to you just illustrates your lack of intelligence on the matter.
  950. [3:38:43 PM] Life: This is like talking to a wall
  951. [3:38:59 PM] Life: You're literally putting your fingers in your ears and trying to drown me out.
  952. [3:39:13 PM] Life: You know I'm right
  953. [3:39:20 PM] Life: You just can't admit that you're wrong.
  954. [3:39:21 PM] Makaze: I don't care if you were a walking target. I'm not sure what you don't get. My play got a lot of laughs and entertained people BECAUSE the audience was against you. If they were for you there would be no point.
  955. [3:39:48 PM] Life: OK but it wasn't smart and if I play again, it won't work.
  956. [3:39:56 PM] Life: Because I know how to counter.
  957. [3:40:04 PM] Makaze: I won't try it again. The point was never to kill you.
  958. [3:40:08 PM] Makaze: It was to generate drama.
  959. [3:40:17 PM] Life: You didn't need to do that
  960. [3:40:22 PM] Life: I'm great at doing it myself
  961. [3:40:24 PM] Makaze: I wanted to.
  962. [3:40:27 PM] Life: I love doing it
  963. [3:40:32 PM] Life: Because it throws focus off me
  964. [3:40:41 PM] Life: I start fights between other people
  965. [3:40:47 PM] Makaze: I loved the way you reacted to me, we were great.
  966. [3:40:47 PM] Life: Its why I win a lot
  967. [3:41:00 PM] Life: It was less because I was pissed at you
  968. [3:41:07 PM] Life: And more because I thought Elie sold me out
  969. [3:41:17 PM] Life: When I was being completely truthful with him
  970. [3:41:22 PM] Life: He did sell me out
  971. [3:41:24 PM] Life: But to Blitz
  972. [3:41:29 PM] Makaze: That makes sense
  973. [3:41:37 PM] Life: Of course
  974. [3:41:37 PM] Makaze: Still, it couldn't have been more hilarious for me
  975. [3:41:58 PM] Life: I'm willing to work with you again in the future
  976. [3:42:08 PM] Makaze: My issue with your critique is your metric doesn't match anything I play by.
  977. [3:42:09 PM] Life: I can't promise that I'll be 100% truthful
  978. [3:42:37 PM] Life: But it's because I don't trust anything people tell me anyway
  979. [3:42:43 PM] Life: I tried to trust someone this game
  980. [3:42:48 PM] Life: They stabbed me in the back
  981. [3:42:58 PM] Life: So it was a mistake
  982. [3:43:14 PM] Makaze: I am as well, but if you lie to me it will never happen again. We are too alike in personality if not skill or experience, and that means that I'll expect you to act like me. If you lie I will assume you're killing me. I go all out or I lie, and that's that. So when I gave you my alias I was hard allying you.
  983. [3:43:29 PM] Life: See if I lie
  984. [3:43:33 PM] Life: It's not because I want you dead
  985. [3:43:43 PM] Life: It's because I think that you don't need to know the truth
  986. [3:43:50 PM] Life: That's where we differ
  987. [3:43:51 PM] Makaze: It's because you dont' trust me, which means you'll kill me before someone you do trust.
  988. [3:43:58 PM] Life: No
  989. [3:44:08 PM] Life: Just because I don't trust you doesn't mean I don't need you alive
  990. [3:44:31 PM] Life: Being honest is the best way to be backstabbed
  991. [3:44:42 PM] Makaze: That's why you get backstabbed.
  992. [3:44:48 PM] Life: No
  993. [3:44:50 PM] Life: It's not
  994. [3:45:02 PM] Makaze: Being honest is the best way to get others to trust and kill others instead.
  995. [3:45:07 PM] Life: It hurts a lot more when you're completely honest and you receive a knife for your troubles
  996. [3:45:17 PM] Life: Watch some Survivor
  997. [3:45:21 PM] Life: I'll give you an example
  998. [3:45:25 PM] Makaze: It hurts that game, but the next you're wiser, and that player dies early.
  999. [3:45:28 PM] Life: Season 8
  1000. [3:45:42 PM] Life: After the tribe swap
  1001. [3:45:46 PM] Makaze: EIMM isn't all about the current game
  1002. [3:45:51 PM] Makaze: it's about the whole series
  1003. [3:45:52 PM] Life: This was back in 2004
  1004. [3:46:05 PM] Makaze: Sometimes
  1005. [3:46:11 PM] Makaze: you need to take the death just to win the next one
  1006. [3:46:24 PM] Makaze: because backstabbing here can cost you the next one, if you win this you lose the next
  1007. [3:46:30 PM] Makaze: I took the backstabbing route this time
  1008. [3:46:32 PM] Life: Honestly, I'm changing my opinion about you
  1009. [3:46:34 PM] Makaze: I won't survive long next
  1010. [3:46:56 PM] Life: You used to be "half-smart" in my opinion
  1011. [3:47:00 PM] Life: Now I think you're just a moron
  1012. [3:47:22 PM] Life: You're not like me
  1013. [3:47:23 PM] Makaze: Got to give credit where it's due.
  1014. [3:47:29 PM] Life: You're not as smart as me
  1015. [3:47:36 PM] Makaze: That's better.
  1016. [3:47:37 PM] Life: And you need to stop trying to be
  1017. [3:47:45 PM] Life: End
  1018. [3:48:09 PM] Life: Now I'm going back to The Flash
  1019. [3:48:14 PM] Life: So we're done
  1020. [3:48:15 PM] Makaze: lol
  1021. [3:48:19 PM] Makaze: that show is terrible
  1022. [3:48:27 PM] Life: Again, shows why you're a moron
  1023. [3:48:35 PM] Life: It's universally acclaimed
  1024. [3:48:45 PM] Makaze: clearly not, i am part of the universe
  1025. [3:48:54 PM] Life: So is Donald Trump
  1026. [3:49:01 PM] Life: Doesn't make him right either
  1027. [3:49:09 PM] Life: Opinions are like assholes
  1028. [3:49:12 PM] Makaze: and he is not universally disclaimed either
  1029. [3:49:22 PM] Life: Everyone has it
  1030. [3:49:39 PM] Life: But yours happens to stink from all the shit it spouts.
  1031. [3:49:44 PM] Makaze: i don't have much room to talk tho I watched two seasons of the flash
  1032. [3:49:46 PM] Life: So again
  1033. [3:49:49 PM] Makaze: it's just really mediocre
  1034. [3:49:51 PM] Makaze: worse than arrow
  1035. [3:49:57 PM] Life: Oh that's for sure
  1036. [3:50:00 PM] Life: I don't doubt that
  1037. [3:50:32 PM] Life: But it is good and professional critics have only been praising it
  1038. [3:51:00 PM] Life: So unless your word means more than theirs since their job is to watch and review on a level that you can't even dream of doing
  1039. [3:51:14 PM] Makaze: my word means more to me obv
  1040. [3:51:18 PM] Life: Great
  1041. [3:51:27 PM] Life: Stop passing off your opinion as fact
  1042. [3:51:34 PM] Life: You can say "I think it's terrible"
  1043. [3:51:41 PM] Life: But not "that show is terrible"
  1044. [3:51:46 PM] Makaze: i prefer "it's terrible" it's shorter
  1045. [3:51:55 PM] Life: Different connotation
  1046. [3:52:02 PM] Life: First one expresses your own opinion
  1047. [3:52:12 PM] Life: Second one expresses your opinion as fact
  1048. [3:52:25 PM] Life: Basic understanding of the English language
  1049. [3:52:28 PM] Makaze: anything with good or bad in it is an expression of ought rather than is though
  1050. [3:52:31 PM] Makaze: it's implicit
  1051. [3:52:50 PM] Life: Implied?
  1052. [3:52:54 PM] Life: Is that the word?
  1053. [3:53:12 PM] Life: Learn English grammar.
  1054. [3:53:16 PM] Life: Then find me.
  1055. [3:53:19 PM] Makaze: implied though not plainly expressed.
  1056. "comments seen as implicit criticism of the policies"
  1057. synonyms: implied, hinted at, suggested, insinuated; More
  1058. 2.
  1059. with no qualification or question; absolute.
  1060. [3:53:52 PM] Life: What are you describing? Implicit?
  1061. [3:53:54 PM] Makaze: The second is what I was getting at.
  1062. [3:53:58 PM] Makaze: Yes
  1063. [3:54:14 PM] Life: You completely misunderstood the explanation
  1064. [3:54:28 PM] Makaze: When you describe something as good or bad, it's given that it's opinion. There is no "this is good" fact. It's an ought, not an is.
  1065. [3:54:42 PM] Makaze: By definition, not the soft meaning "implied"
  1066. [3:54:45 PM] Makaze: it's required
  1067. [3:55:12 PM] Life: I don't know why I'm having this argument
  1068. [3:55:20 PM] Makaze: it's pretty stupid tbh
  1069. [3:55:23 PM] Life: I'm going back to my universally acclaimed show
  1070. [3:55:31 PM] Makaze: lol
  1071. [3:55:46 PM] Life: Where the vast majority of people who believe it to be good are not morons
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