Randy Credico on Stone Cold Truth (09/03/2016)

Supplemental document for: "Theory that Roger Stone's back channel to Wikileaks was Randy Credico", link: https://wakelet.com/wake/2d352ae9-febe-44a1-a7bb-51674a2e4bf5

Randy Credico appearance on Stone Cold Truth. Broadcast date: September 3, 2016.

Excerpt goes from 59:35 to 1:08:54 in file.

File link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33PQBuE-q4

Direct link to Credico's appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D33PQBuE-q4#t=59m35s

ROGER STONE
And now, in an incredible metaphysical act, back from the dead, a man who, actually, only a few years ago, swore I would never speak to again as long as I live, and actually had a Mass card [memorial card] printed out, announcing his death, which I promulgated widely. Randy Credico...Randy is a famed comedian, what the hell, he can't take a joke. Welcome to the Stone Cold Truth.

RANDY CREDICO
Hey, it's a pleasure to finally be on. I've heard so much about this show, and I've been dying to get on. Thank you for having me.

STONE
So- A quick piece of background, I met Randy, who was a stand-up comedian, and particularly, a mean impressionist. A deadly impressionist-

CREDICO
I did a Johnny Carson to your Ed McMahon guy.

STONE
-uh, and as long as you need a guy who does an impression of Strom Thurmond or Hubert Humphrey, he's your guy. Donald Trump...not so much. But: in any event, Randy approached me when I was helping Tom Golisano and also Kristin Davis, two friends of mine, in their campaign for governor. It really was Randy who made me aware of the draconian and racist nature of the Rockefeller drug laws. I mean, I knew the history ; in 1970, when the Republican party was shifting right, and Rockefeller was going for, I guess it would be his fourth, unprecedented fourth term, Rockefeller, who'd been a moderate to liberal Republican, took a sharp turn to the right, in order to get re-elected. Remember, this was the same year that James Buckley went to the U.S. Senate, from New York. And they enacted these laws, that are so severe, so harsh, so openly racist, and Randy convinced me that they have clogged the prisons, costing the taxpayers a fortune, and they have rehabilitated _no one_, they have destroyed lives, they've destroyed families, and I was compelled to take everything Randy had taught me to Tom Golisano, who is an independent and a friend running for governor, who picked up this issue and talked about it [relevant article from the New York Times, title: "THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR - THE DRUG LAWS - Golisano to Take to Airwaves To Condemn Rockefeller Laws" link: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/14/nyregion/race-for-governor-drug-laws-golisano-take-airwaves-condemn-rockefeller-laws.html ], something that George Pataki didn't have the courage to do. Now, fast forward, Randy hosts an enormous rally downtown, Russell Simmons, Al Sharpton, Tom Golisano, and...Roger Stone.

So, when the Clinton people call me a racist, I resent it. I was working to restore [sic, he means repeal] the Rockefeller racist drug laws before the spokesperson who said I was a racist, was out of diapers. Randy Credico, welcome to the show.

CREDICO
Hey, thank you very much. You want me to pick it up from there?

STONE
Uh, well, I want to say a couple of things. First of all, for those who are not familiar, there is a terrific documentary on Randy's phenomenal show business career called _60 Spins Around the Sun_ [link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375520/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_4 ], the narrator there is Jack Black, and Randy, I hear you have somewhere, tucked away, a personal thank you note from Pablo Escobar.

CREDICO
[laughs] Larry David is the talking head, and Jack Black is the producer-

STONE
Ah.

CREDICO
-of that documentary. And, that's right, 2002 [year that Golisano ran for governor], let me go back, you played a key role, I went to you, we were at a critical stage of the Rockefeller drug reform movement, I had been in charge of a group called Mothers of the New York Disappeared, and it was families of prisoners, and wives, and sons, and daughters, and so, we had a huge movement going on, and it was stalling, and in 2002, _you_ played a critical role, I remember I called you up, I went to your apartment on 57th Street, we sat down, we went out and had dinner, and within, like, two minutes, you said, "Yeah, this is a great thing, this is a travesty, a complete travesty," and you got really heavily involved in it. You became a key component of Golisano's campaign. You brought in prisoners, you did television commercials, and millions of dollars in ads, and that played a key role, because Golisano started talking about it, then Pataki loosened up, and Carl McCall [2002 Democratic candidate for governor] started courting us, and Andrew Cuomo, because he was still in the race at that time, and then you wrote an incredible article, it achieved a point, it kicked off some more articles that needed to be written, when they needed further reform in 2009, David Patterson pushed some more reforms then. But, that is a point, you can take some credit, there's some hands in this movement, that are invisible hands, you certainly are one of them. Not just that, but you helped out in Tulia, Texas, you got involved there, you sent Sharpton out there, moved things along there. So, these charges- And then you did comedy at the Yippie! museum and anybody can go on-line and see you talk about how racist the Rockefeller drug laws [sic]. That's the key word that you use [video title: "Roger Stone Performs at Yippie Cafe!" link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1XpJnSniKc ]. So, someone who's a racist doesn't use that kind of language. And-

STONE
That is, that's a fair assessment...I remember, over a cigar, telling Reverend Sharpton about the Tulia situation. No, look, my conscience is clear. What I don't like is that in this charged atmosphere, if you disagree with the Clintons, if you try to expose their corruption, or their venality, or their lies, or their failed policies, they resort to name-calling. If you can't refute the arguments...black people suffered under the Clintons.

CREDICO
[inaudible] Roger, when she was U.S. Senator, I couldn't get her involved in 2002, or 2000. Al Lewis was running for governor- for senator against her [Lewis was a former actor and frequent Green Party candidate, and Credico was his campaign manager in 2000], for the Green Party, got knocked out in the primaries, I think she had a lot to do with it, some machinations there, Bill de Blasio, but that's for another day. She would not get involved in the Rockefeller drug law movement, _at all_. Not only that, here's she got- She's got Morgan Freeman talking about what a great person she is, and what a commitment to civil rights, and human rights and all that...she lives a mile away from two of the largest maximum security prisons for women in the world. You know, right there, Bedford Hills [Bedford Hills Correctional Facility for Women] had 2500 people at the time, Taconic Prisons [Taconic Correctional Facility] had two thousand, forty five hundred [sic], just a mile or two away from her home, in Chappaqua. And never ever would drop by...everybody else did. But she never- I wrote an article about it-

STONE
I saw that. In the Huffington Post. [article title: "Hillary's Black Lives Neighbors Who Don't Matter" link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randy-credico/hillarys-black-lives-neig_b_9344934.html ] That caused a lot of ripples. So, Randy, are you telling us that Hillary Clinton's not a progressive, not a liberal?

CREDICO
She's not a progressive, she's not good on race. I mean, you go back to '94, with the crime bill stuff, Rwanda, when her husband was the president in '99, the largest scandal to ever hit the Customs Department was under Bill Clinton, and there was a lawsuit filed by the ACLU, called "Flying While Black", because women from the Carribean and South America were being pulled over, Blacks and Latinos were being pulled over, strip searched, ninety nine percent were Black or Latino. So, that was a big lawsuit, and she never says anything about it. At all. Ricky Ray Rector, guy died. Clinton's losing, so-called comeback kid, to Paul Tsongas [in 1992 Democratic primary], he runs third, he would've run fourth or fifth, he goes down to execute this guy, who's black and missing his brain, you know, she pushed him to do it. So, she's horrible on race, so you talk about projecting, someone in her administration is projecting on you, and tries to use that kindof language, when the deed, I look at your deed, Rockefeller drug laws, people are out of prison, you had a big hand in that, you helped out Tulia, and Hillary Clinton was nowhere to be seen, in her own state. In one of the most critical civil rights movements in the last decade, last fifty years, was the Rockefeller drug law movement, and she stayed away from it.

STONE
So, Randy, you've got a very hot show on WBAI, now tell us about it.

CREDICO
Well, I've got a show- In fact, I've got one at six o'clock today. I've got Kenneth Ackerman on, he is the historian, he wrote for the Reagan administration, and the Clinton administration, believe it or not. But he's written about nine books, mostly about New Yorkers, from Chester Arthur, to the book that I'm going to talk to him about tonight, the one on Boss Tweed [title: "Boss Tweed: The Corrupt Pol Who Conceived the Soul of Modern New York" link: https://www.amazon.ca/Boss-Tweed-Corrupt-Conceived-Modern/dp/161945002X ], it's the quintessential book on Boss Tweed, it reads like a historical novel, a George Macdonald Fraser novel, it's unbelievable, and so, after six o'clock, on WBAI, 99.5 FM...we had Julian Assange on, last week, we had Frank Serpico on, we've had Charles Grodin on, and I'm gonna have Marty Krofft on tonight, after Ackerman, who is the producer, the Hollywood producer, of millions of TV shows back in the sixties, called "Lidsville", "Puff n Stuff", some interesting shows. So, he'll be on, we've gotten incredible guests on the show. I'm using the word "incredible" a lot because I've been watching Donald Trump, the last week-

STONE
I see.

CREDICO
-incredible-

STONE
Randy Credico, let me stop you there. Randy Credico, peace and freedom.

CREDICO
Hey, thank you very much. And keep up the good work, Roger.