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[–]someguy1290 359 points 9 hours ago (452|100)
lying for jesus.
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[–][deleted] 188 points 3 hours ago* (387|199)
I hate to ruin everyone's fun... but the decision to remove these toys was made a day before any of this anti-gay news went big. I do not share Dan Cathy's views on the marriage issue and am in no way defending them, but lies do no one justice. The toys were removed because of safety concern, not because the Jim Henson Company broke their partnership. From an internal memo copied in full:
The Jim Henson Company posted a statement to their Facebook page last Friday, July 20th stating their intent to not partner with Chick-fil-A on any future endeavors. Several Operators have called with questions about how this decision relates to last week's product withdrawal of The Jim Henson Creature Shop Puppets. These two decisions were made independently and without knowledge of one another. After receiving three separate CARES reports of children getting their fingers stuck in the Creature Shop Puppets (two situations required cutting the puppet for removal), Chick-fil-A initiated a voluntary withdrawal of this Kid's Meal campaign on Thursday, July 19th. Prior to being notified of the withdrawal, The Jim Henson Company made the decision to not partner with Chick-fil-A going forward due to comments in the press they believed were in contrast with their personal beliefs.
Should customers ask about this situation, please inform them that the Jim Henson puppets were voluntarily withdrawn strictly for potential safety concerns for our customers.
So remember /r/athieism, let us be rational...
Commence down votes for the truth.
*Edit: I realize how this will look, again, take it however you will. I will be deleting this account at 12:00 AM, 7/25/2012 Eastern Time. Not because of issues that I feel with the truth of this, but because regardless of the beliefs of others, I do like working for Chick-fil-A and walking into our home office every week day. My coworkers are good people, and our operators and team members are good people. I don't think that I would get in trouble for this, but don't want to risk anything. Be skeptical reddit. OF EVERYTHING, not just things that disagree with what you want to believe.
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[–]Graveyardmouth 108 points 2 hours ago (121|16)
You honestly think that because a Facebook post was made on the 20th, that it wasn't discussed days or even weeks before hand? I'm sure you're corporate offices got a letter from Jim Hensen Co. on at least the 18th stating that they would be canceling their contract on the 20th. Your company tried to save face by pulling the product for "alleged" safety issues a day before they knew the news was going public. A Facebook post doesn't void a contract, there are miles of red tape to be gone through to dissolve a partnership.
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[–][deleted] -36 points 2 hours ago (5|44)
Here is red tape: We aren't selling you any more of our products in the future.
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[–]Graveyardmouth 14 points 2 hours ago (16|3)
Boo fuckin hoo. I've never eaten there before and I'm not about to start now.
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[–][deleted] -27 points 2 hours ago (5|34)
I didn't ask you to start eating at Chick-fil-A...? You are free to eat where ever you would like.
We purchased the toys long before any of the anti-gay news became big. They stated that they won't do business with us in the future, not that they demand us to remove their toys because of our position.
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[–]AttemptedBirdhouse1 3 points 22 minutes ago (3|0)
Here is red tape: We aren't selling you any more of our products in the future.
Since the poster declared their intent ahead of time to delete their account, I wanted to make sure this statement survived in some form, because holy crap hilarious
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[–][deleted] 1 point 20 minutes ago (1|0)
It's amazing how little red tape there actually can be.
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[+]PanniculusHam 87 points 3 hours ago  (6 children)
[–]DaystarEld 39 points 3 hours ago (42|3)
I don't want proof that you work for the corporation: I want proof that what you say is in fact true :P What would proof that you work for the corporation actually accomplish, exactly?
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[–][deleted] -41 points 3 hours ago (20|61)
I work for the home office, and know we do not have a history of spinning news internally–even news that is not flattering to us.
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[–]DaystarEld 29 points 3 hours ago (33|3)
Cool. Prove it.
Nothing personal, it's just ridiculous that you'd say what any PR guy of any company is expected to say, and then expect that people will take your word that the company isn't like those other self-serving spin-doctors seriously on just your word :P
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[–][deleted] -16 points 2 hours ago (11|29)
If a mod would like to contact me I'd be happy to prove who I am.
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[–]DiggDejected 19 points 2 hours ago (21|2)
Again, the OP isn't asking for proof of your identity.
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[–]DaystarEld 10 points 2 hours ago (12|1)
In specific, we'd need proof that the memo is a) a real communication by CFA,
AND
b) the time/day it was distributed.
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[–][deleted] -10 points 2 hours ago (11|20)
Other than posting the full email with headers I don't see how to satisfy that request. I am not about to post the email with full headers. I do wish that they would say something officially, but I am not in charge of external communications.
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[–]mklimbach 15 points 1 hour ago (15|0)
And if you're not, you shouldn't be compromising your job. Seriously, you might get fired. And I'd feel kinda bad, because you weren't being malicious, and I really doubt you're the one making donations to hate groups.
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[–]sirshartsalot 11 points 2 hours ago (21|9)
If you don't work for the company, you're an asshole and deserve to be downvoted to shit. If you do, you work for a fast food restaurant that makes chicken sandwiches, and aren't in any position to be commenting on gay marriage. If that's not your function in the company, to communicate with the public, then fuck off, nobody cares what you have to say. You should be downvoted in any case for jacking the top comment.
tl;dr: nobody cares
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[–][deleted] -5 points 2 hours ago (16|21)
If you do, you work for a fast food restaurant that makes chicken sandwiches, and aren't in any position to be commenting on gay marriage.
I agree whole heartedly, we should be serving food instead of talking about gay marriage. Personally I think we should do exactly that. I am trying to provided clarity on something that is false. I apologize that you don't approve. I realize this is the internet so it is probably pointless.
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[+]Mythril_Zombie 6 points 2 hours ago  (6 children)
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[–]VeteranKamikaze 24 points 2 hours ago (26|2)
Will you accept downvotes for unsubstantiated claims instead of for truth?
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[–][deleted] -13 points 2 hours ago (7|20)
Sure if that is what you would like. I have actually provided (as much as I can) proof of our decisions and when they were made. As far as I am aware no one has posted anything to substantiate the claim that the Jim Hensen Company contacted us before their facebook post or that anything happened differently than what I have said. I do not have access the customer complaints against the toys safety but the calls are all logged and this is not the first time that we have ever voluntarily recalled a product.
What do you accept as proof?
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[–]VeteranKamikaze 7 points 1 hour ago (8|1)
Horse-shit. You provided proof that they pulled the toys the day before the news was posted on facebook, not the day before the contract was severed. This is the weakest load of bull I've ever heard. You truly expect me to believe they voluntarily pulled the toys the day before Henson severed their ties to the company (you failed to prove that it even was the day before but lets pretend a facebook post was how your company was informed) by complete coincidence?
Even if I believed in coincidence this is just unbelievably weak. It's totally obvious to anyone with two functioning brain cells what's going on here and you haven't provided any valid evidence to the contrary. Prove that the company was originally informed of the decision by Henson on the 20th, rather than that it was posted on Facebook on the 20th and we might believe you.
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[–][deleted] -6 points 1 hour ago (2|7)
There is no long term contract. The Jim Hensen company provided the toys that we were going to use for the July kids meal campaign. The toys were in our warehouses and restaurants, ready for distribution before any of the news went big.
I do not have access to other team members emails or phone calls, and therefor cannot provide that concrete evidence that you want.
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[–]VeteranKamikaze 7 points 1 hour ago (7|0)
Because the evidence doesn't exist because you are full of shit. It's completely obvious what actually happened and your weak nonsense isn't fooling anyone. The only evidence that could actually prove it and isn't just vague conjecture is the only evidence you don't have, convenient.
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[–][deleted] -6 points 1 hour ago (2|7)
I would challenge you to contact the Jim Hensen Company and ask them. If you don't believe me, perhaps you will believe them.
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[–]VeteranKamikaze 5 points 1 hour ago (5|0)
I may just do that but I don't really think it's necessary, the facts on the table speak for themselves, the only argument you have to the contrary is "Oh no no no it's just a series of massive coincidences and nothing more." You are claiming that Henson severing ties and the toys being pulled a fucking DAY later is entirely coincidence, that is, again, obvious horse-shit.
Or I'm sorry, the ties were severed a day after, not before, but you can't prove that beyond a facebook wall post. The burden of proof isn't on me here, it's obvious what happened and for all your talk you can't provide a shred of real evidence to the contrary.
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[–][deleted] -3 points 1 hour ago (3|5)
The burden of proof is one the one doing the accusing, no? You are (rather this post is) accusing Chick-fil-A of pulling toys because the Jim Henson company said they would no longer be doing business with Chick-fil-A in the future?
I am surprised you wouldn't be willing to contact the Jim Henson company to know the truth, but you are quick to call me a liar.
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[–]VeteranKamikaze 3 points 1 hour ago (3|0)
It's less an accusation and more of an observation of the obvious, then on top of that you claim to be able to provide evidence to the contrary but when asked for valid evidence rather than the horse-shit you tried to pass off as evidence you switch your game up and say you don't need to provide evidence at all. I may contact them, I may not, I'm certainly not going to right now, but the facts that are already on the table are damning enough on their own.
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[–]Mythril_Zombie 3 points 2 hours ago (3|0)
Photos of your corporate ID cards?
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[–][deleted] -6 points 2 hours ago (2|8)
We don't have corporate ID cards.
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[–]Mythril_Zombie 5 points 2 hours ago (5|0)
Sounding weaker and weaker by the minute.
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[–][deleted] -4 points 2 hours ago (4|8)
We don't have corporate ID cards. I can't help that fact.
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[–]Danmolaijn 1 point 15 minutes ago (1|0)
$4b in sales last year and 800+ corporate employees and you don't have a badge? Really?
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[–][deleted] 1 point 14 minutes ago (1|0)
Really. Some do if they need to get access to a secure area of our building.
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[–]sig863 15 points 3 hours ago (16|1)
Ok. I'm willing to concede that there is a chance that this is purely coincidental and that the recall and Jim Henson Company's withdrawal of support just happened to coincide.
I'll approach this how I approach all claims: The one with the most evidence and verifiable sources wins. Ready... set... cite!
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[+]unpopular_speech 1 point 18 minutes ago  (0 children)
[–][deleted] -2 points 3 hours ago* (29|31)
Happy to oblige, as this is what I expected from reddit.
The Jim Hensen Company Facebook note; (July 20th): https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150928864755563
The best proof I have without posting headers from an email we were sent; (July 19th):
ISSUE: Chick-fil-A is initiating a voluntary withdrawal for The Jim Henson’s Creature Shop Puppet Kid’s Meal Premiums because there have been three cases of children’s fingers getting stuck inside the holes, even though all puppets passed safety testing requirements. All five (5) plastic puppet premiums are affected in this withdrawal. No injuries have been reported to date; however, this is a potential safety risk and the decision was made out of caution to protect the business and the brand.
ACTION STEPS: If you have The Jim Henson’s Creature Shop Puppet Kid’s Meal Premiums, stop service of these products (all 5 items) immediately and quarantine them so they are not served to customers. Label the cases as Not For Sale - To Be Picked Up By DC. Label both full and partial cases. Your distribution center (MBM or QCD) will pick up these quarantined cases from your store as soon as possible on future delivery. Seek credit with your distributor. Please remove all Jim Henson Creature Shop P.O.P. materials and remove/change Operator/Local Level digital promotions for this campaign. Please replace this premium with an ice dream per normal substitution operations until replacement premiums are available. Replacement premiums will be Berenstain Bear Books and are expected to be in your Restaurant in approximately 2 weeks. Berenstain Bear P.O.P. materials will ship to Restaurants in approximately 2 weeks. Please inform customers that we do not have any more Jim Henson Creature Shop premiums and we apologize for the inconvenience.
*I censored out personal information and internal emails in our email.
*Edit: Removed imgur image of email, put in quotation.
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[–]GarbageElitist [+1] 46 points 3 hours ago (49|3)
Wouldn't they have to end their partnership long before posting on Facebook?
I just don't think Facebook is how most companies end partnerships.
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[–]sirshartsalot 29 points 2 hours ago (33|4)
Thank you. This is stupid, this guy isn't corporate affairs or he would be speaking officially, and if he's speaking unofficially, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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[–][deleted] -14 points 2 hours ago* (7|21)
I have enough knowledge of the situation to provide some insight. Take it for what it's worth.
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[–]skeptix 8 points 1 hour ago (8|0)
It isn't worth much, don't mean to be rude but that is the case.
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[–][deleted] -3 points 1 hour ago (4|7)
It is worth whatever value you want to place on it. Assuming that because Chick-fil-A chose to pull the toys was caused (without any proof or attempt at proof) because of their independent decision should also be given the same amount of thought.
I don't believe that you are being rude, you are being skeptical.
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[–]skeptix 5 points 1 hour ago (5|0)
Glad that you can see that.
I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. What I will say is that the timeline seems...coincidental.
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[–][deleted] -2 points 1 hour ago (2|4)
Absolutely it seems coincidental, and I am not one to think things shouldn't be researched and investigated before drawing conclusions.
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[+]jeffmolby 1 point 36 minutes ago  (0 children)
[–][deleted] -10 points 3 hours ago (12|22)
Typically I would say yes, but, as far as I know they did not contact us before posting anything on their Facebook page. Their message states that they will not being doing any business with us in the future. The puppets have been in distribution centers for over a month to ensure that we do not run out of kids meal premiums as we deplete inventory of our previous campaign.
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[–]GarbageElitist [+1] 12 points 3 hours ago (12|0)
Hmm. Who knows then.
Either way, Jim Henson Co. comes out looking like the good guy for supporting equal rights. Most companies are these days, though.
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[–][deleted] -7 points 2 hours ago (8|16)
I am not disputing that they come out on the "good" side. I support equal rights for everyone, and if I had millions of dollars that is where they would be spent. I do not agree with what Dan Cathy believes, quite the opposite in fact.
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[–]Mythril_Zombie 3 points 2 hours ago (3|0)
Have you suggested that you stop donating money to hate groups?
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[–][deleted] -2 points 2 hours ago (7|9)
I have no direct involvement in choosing where we donate our money.
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[–]Mythril_Zombie 2 points 2 hours ago (2|0)
That's not what I asked.
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[–][deleted] 3 points 2 hours ago (6|3)
Have I suggested? Yes.
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[+]GarbageElitist 2 points 2 hours ago  (0 children)
[–]Birdy611 6 points 2 hours ago (7|1)
Account age is 57 minutes?
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[–][deleted] -4 points 2 hours ago (12|16)
Yes. I am not going to use my normal reddit account for this. My personal account could be used to identify me pretty easily.
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[–]skeptix 6 points 1 hour ago (6|0)
That doesn't prove anything.
This is a photoshopped image of an e-mail. There is no way to know what is real about this. Let's assume it is real. This still proves nothing about the timeline of events and decisions.
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[–][deleted] -4 points 1 hour ago (5|9)
The only thing I photoshopped was the names and contact information. Treat it with suspicion, just like assumption that caused this whole thread to come about.
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[–]RasputinPlaysTheTuba 5 points 1 hour ago (5|0)
FB posts = corporate partnership dissolution talks. It was most likely discussed days before the FB post.
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[–]jeffmolby 1 point 31 minutes ago (1|0)
Why does everyone assume this was some massive partnership? CFA bought cheap plastic toys from a Chinese toymaker who had a licensing deal with Henson. Henson decided to prevent future sales of these toys, which is about as difficult as deciding to buy your next tank of gas from Mobil instead of BP.
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[–]Danmolaijn 5 points 56 minutes ago (5|0)
Three cases of children getting their fingers stuck/caught, but the CPSC has no reports of any safety concerns, ever?
I call bullshit.
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[–][deleted] -2 points 54 minutes ago (1|3)
No injuries have been reported to date; however, this is a potential safety risk and the decision was made out of caution to protect the business and the brand.
This is not the first, nor last time we will do something out of concern for a potential issue. We aren't a company that typically waits and reacts.
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[–]joecan 3 points 45 minutes ago (3|0)
Yes, your acting without thinking policy is widely known.
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[–][deleted] 0 points 41 minutes ago (1|1)
Anything other than than our donations issue that you are aware of? I am sure there is something (I cannot think of anything off the top of my head), but we try as best we can to solve issues before they become issues.
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[+]joecan 1 point 24 minutes ago  (0 children)
[–]Danmolaijn 3 points 33 minutes ago (3|0)
So you don't have product liability insurance, which 'usually' will require reports of such incidents be made before approval of coverage and indemnity paid? I'm sure you have recall insurance that covers manufactured toys - unless your company is willingly fronting the costs out of their own pocket. But that only furthers my suspicion.
And what's this "not the first or last time we will do something out of concern for a potential issue" language? Are you speaking on behalf of the company? Because that's some very strong verbiage. What if the potential issue rivals your religious beliefs? Concerns there, or is it only concerns for the bottom-line and supply-side Jesus? Because its certainly not for people...
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[–][deleted] 1 point 25 minutes ago (1|0)
We do have product liability insurance, but we would rather not have to use it and be responsible before hand.
That is an overarching principle of our product safety. This is all unofficial and I am not an official representative stating policy issues. I am not trying to argue beliefs, merely state that we take product safety very seriously.
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[–]room317 8 points 2 hours ago (11|3)
Sorry, but I down voted. It was posted before Henson went public with the statement. CFA surely knew about it days beforehand.
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[–][deleted] -10 points 2 hours ago (5|15)
You are free to think what you want, but they weren't asking us to remove their toys immediately, and the whole interview thing had just gone big. More crazy things have happend in the business world than a toy supplier cutting ties with us with no knowledge. For example... Jet Plastica (make plastic forks, straws, etc...) shut down operations with NO notification to anyone that they might. This affected us and several other brands.
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[+]RidinBiden 4 points 1 hour ago  (0 children)
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[–]brian9000 [+1] 3 points 39 minutes ago* (2|0)
How the hell does a top-comment-hijacking 2-hour-old-throw-away obviously-making-shit-up comment (who warns that he's deleting the comments) have 160 points????
/rant
Sorry, I'll just go back to kicking kids off my lawn...
EDIT:
Annnnnnnd he's gone.
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[–][deleted] 1 point 36 minutes ago (3|2)
How does a thread that is based off of and full of assumptions have 1300 upvotes?
Please be kind to the children, at least they are playing outside!
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[–]brian9000 1 point 24 minutes ago (1|0)
I'm telling them to go eat at McDonald's.
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[–][deleted] 1 point 15 minutes ago (1|0)
Those poor children. :(
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[–]brian9000 1 point 12 minutes ago (1|0)
Agreed. Very much agreed. Still better for the world than CFA though.
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[+]Jub8 1 point 55 minutes ago  (1 child)
[–]T1meTr4veller -1 points 1 hour ago (6|7)
So far the pattern in this thread:
Step 1: Ask angry questions
Step 2: Down-vote the answers
Sounds like a recipe for a balanced conversation to me...
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[–]RogueEyebrow 1 point 48 minutes ago (1|0)
Sounds like a recipe for a balanced conversation to me...
It's actually the extra-crispy recipe for conversation.
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[–][deleted] -3 points 1 hour ago (1|4)
Eh, it's the internet. I didn't expect anything more.