Greenybwa: Can someone help me make a team because every team I make has massive weaknesses
@Q²uite Quiet: uuh
@Q²uite Quiet: that was like 4 hours ago?
@Q²uite Quiet: I think
@Q²uite Quiet: or maybe 5
Scrubs HD Platinum: @Greeny, use Regirock w/ weakness policy
Greenybwa: wat
Trollax:3: greeny
Trollax:3: when you build teams
Trollax:3: try using http://www.psypokes.com/dex/typeanalysis.php
thesmalldoop: i just realized how good of a hole puncher kangas is
Im Professor Oak: what are some good leads
Rx7Lotus: use mega salamence with weekness policy
Trollax:3: crustle, omastar,
GeneralAnnoyance: When will chicken be out of NU? Anybody know? It's not even fun playing these unoriginal ass teams
Trollax:3: i think it's out
Trollax:3: do /data combusken
BL3
CombuskenFireFightingBlazeSpeed BoostHP
60Atk
85Def
60SpA
85SpD
60Spe
55BST
405
Trollax:3: its BL3
GeneralAnnoyance: I just played someone using it :(
Trollax:3: o
elitetrainerjenny: its a fairly average pokemon
Trollax:3: ...
Trollax:3: what
Trollax:3: it's not a fairly average pokemon
thesmalldoop: its too good
Greenybwa: Can Crustle be good without being a suicide lead
GeneralAnnoyance: LOOOL
@Q²uite Quiet: the banlist just isn't updated on showdown yet
NinjaOfNinja: Yes
elitetrainerjenny: then either my team counters it or you guys aren't able to adapt
Trollax:3: when the server restarts
@Q²uite Quiet: by the next restart it'll be gone
GeneralAnnoyance: BL3 as of when? 3 seconds ago?
The D-Match: Well QQ i was wrong
@Q²uite Quiet: yesterday
lolbro2: hello everyone!
lolbro2: O/
• lolbro2 waves
Trollax:3: jenny, read the whole third post on https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-nu-tiering-info.3509431/
elitetrainerjenny: i dont go by that , i go by battles
Trollax:3: that should explain well why we think busken is broken
Greenybwa: What special def resists water steel rock
User: elitetrainerjenny
Format	Elo	GXE	Glicko-1	COIL	W	L	T
ou	1431	63	1604 ± 50	--	31	15	0
uu	1149	57	1553 ± 70	--	12	8	0
nubeta	1111	59	1569 ± 95	--	5	2	0
randombattle	1159	65	1624 ± 102 (provisional)	--	5	0	0
ru	1054	43	1447 ± 85	--	4	7	0
oumonotype	1402	71	1667 ± 42	--	46	23	0
lc	1206	68	1650 ± 82	--	10	3	0
rususpecttest	1187	70	1662 ± 92	597	8	1	0
vgc2014	1080	40	1423 ± 84	--	4	7	0
nu	1016	46	1467 ± 111 (provisional)	--	1	2	0
Greenybwa: tank
elitetrainerjenny: and trust me i read it already
Greenybwa: or wall
elitetrainerjenny: the combos good if you pull it off
Trollax:3: high ladder will be much, much better with busken
@Q²uite Quiet: seismitoaf
@Q²uite Quiet: toad*
@Q²uite Quiet: although resisting steel is generally useless
lolbro2: ^
elitetrainerjenny: high or low i battled random users with it on
Trollax:3: but tbh
Greenybwa: i chose crustle so was trying to stop weaknesses with a special wall
Trollax:3: i don't have the energy to go on a rant about why busken is broken
@Q²uite Quiet: it's not like steel is even common offensively
Trollax:3: ^
@Q²uite Quiet: you see it on things that have STAB on it
elitetrainerjenny: steel is more for walling stuff
@Q²uite Quiet: and that's pretty much all
Greenybwa: well im new to NU so idk what is mainly used
@Q²uite Quiet: bar yama's bullet punch
Trollax:3: and at the very least
Trollax:3: busken is overcentralizing
Greenybwa: so what are the best options to use with crustle then
Bobby Chicago: hi all
Ponyzon: busken makes me muk all over
Rx7Lotus: i suck at NU... all the pokemon are slow and i need fast mons
elitetrainerjenny: i play stall in NU
elitetrainerjenny: works pretty nicely
NoobNova: There are fast mons
NoobNova: jfc
NoobNova: stop being so stubborn
elitetrainerjenny: im with noobnova
GeneralAnnoyance: floatzel yooo
NoobNova: Try Sceptile, try Archeops, try Pyroar, try fucking anything
Greenybwa: ok but what are the best options to special def with crustle as my phsyical def
The D-Match: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/speed-tiers.3514114/
Trollax:3: and busken isn't broken by itself
BrzkLuvTruck: TB Swagalge too good 4 me :P http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nu-150357234
Trollax:3: it's juts that it can baton pass into the appropriate pokemon to handle the opponent's team
Trollax:3: *just
elitetrainerjenny: its still kinda easy on its own though
Ponyzon: why leave instead of forfeit
NoobNova: Trollax:3
NoobNova: er
NoobNova: Swagalge
The D-Match: Combusken has Perfect synergy with Xatu and passing to it basically stops everything that can counter it (except dtail)
NoobNova: I love you for Rit Geckt
@Q²uite Quiet: this is nu in a nutshell http://puu.sh/aLhaT.png
Trollax:3: wat
Ponyzon: Combusken is basically a gun
Trollax:3: so true qq
Ponyzon: it depends on what it baton passes to :@
thesmalldoop: combusken and palkia are leaders of the pen 15 club
Trollax:3: busken does have answers but that doesn't mean it's not broken
+crazydev: qq
+crazydev: miltank tho
Arcticfoxkeh: low speed+ frail
+crazydev: 100 base speed
Arcticfoxkeh: rampardos pls
Greenybwa: Ok is Crustle as phsyical wall and Dragalge as special (assult vest) a good two pokemon to use for a defensive core
+crazydev: gg
Trollax:3: woah
Trollax:3: what
@Q²uite Quiet: miltank is literally the only exception
Trollax:3: crustle as a physical wall
+crazydev: lel
Celever: uhh
NU
CrustleBugRockSturdy
Shell ArmorWeak ArmorHP
70Atk
95Def
125SpA
65SpD
75Spe
45BST
475
Celever: nvm
Trollax:3: physically defensive crustle new meta y/y
+crazydev: !data miltank
NU
MiltankNormalThick Fat
ScrappySap SipperHP
95Atk
80Def
105SpA
40SpD
70Spe
100BST
490
Celever: lol
Celever: well it has good defense
• Celever shrugs
Greenybwa: what
Greenybwa: crustle has 125 def why isnt he a phsyical def guy
Celever: tbf
Trollax:3: ...
NU
CarracostaWaterRockSolid Rock
SturdySwift SwimHP
74Atk
108Def
133SpA
83SpD
65Spe
32BST
495
Celever: it could be a physical wall
Celever: not a very good one
Celever: but... idk
keiran1234: its typing?
Greenybwa: someone said i can use him for a phsyical def guy and not a suicide lead
lolbro2: because of typing
Trollax:3: lots of things could play a role but not be good at it
Celever: you probably shouldn't listen to that person again
Celever: lol
keiran1234: weak to sr, no recovery
NoobNova: yeah but Crustle is best at spike stacking
Trollax:3: ^
Celever: -^
lolbro2: and he has no recovery outside of rest, weakness to stealth rock
Trollax:3: suicide lead crustle is probably the best crustle
lolbro2: ^
Celever: ResTalk Crustle
Greenybwa: ok then dont wanna play that scum tactic what other phsyical walls are there ?
Celever: new meta
NoKnuckles: it could probably be a bulky spiker
Greenybwa: or phsyical tanks
NoobNova: "scum tactic"?
Celever: ^
NoKnuckles: it just wont be taking hits over and over
Trollax:3: ??
NoobNova: The only scum tactic is ParaSwagger Liepard?
Trollax:3: vileplume and ferroseed are good physical walls
NoKnuckles: granbull is my fav
NoobNova: and AssistPard
Trollax:3: granbull is a nice tank
keiran1234: i've been experimenting with restalk wrath as a physical wall
keiran1234: its pretty fun
NU
PoliwrathWaterFightingWater Absorb
DampSwift SwimHP
90Atk
95Def
95SpA
70SpD
90Spe
70BST
510
NoobNova: ProTox tbh
Greenybwa: i dont like suicide leads or stat rat people
elitetrainerjenny: no scum tactic exist its only what ou think that makes it one
NoobNova: wait what stat rat people
NoobNova: what does that even mean
Trollax:3: stat rat???
Greenybwa: stat rat
NoKnuckles: getting +6/+6/+6/+6/+6 to raticate?
Trollax:3: statistics rodent imo
Greenybwa: i made it up myself cuz it rhymes its where people just boost stats then ohko with everything
NoobNova: so
NoobNova: HO?
Trollax:3: what
NoobNova: he dislikes HO is what he's saying
Greenybwa: and they're rats beacuse its not even fun
Greenybwa: whats HO?
keiran1234: hyper offense
Trollax:3: hyper offense
NoobNova: Hyper Offense
NoobNova: if you hate HO
Trollax:3: or sometimes its called heavy offense
Greenybwa: no i dislike stat rat hyper offensive
Trollax:3: same thing tho'
NoobNova: and setup sweepers
NoobNova: run Liepard
NoobNova: gg
NoKnuckles: what about 5 volt turners + 1 "stat ratter"
Trollax:3: so basically you don't like boosting moves
thesmalldoop: rain dance electrode new meta lol
Trollax:3: things that set up are automatically cheap
Greenybwa: is there a volt turn team in NU cuz i like those
NoKnuckles: i dunno
NoobNova: there is
thesmalldoop: emolga?
Trollax:3: you could run primeape + rotom
Celever: you can do VolTurn in NU p well
NoKnuckles: lanturn is a good slow one i guess, you could prob get a sweeper in safely with that
The D-Match: I found a new counter to Sleep/Quiver Vivillon... Dedenne
Celever: ROtom, Mesprit, Uxie, Lanturn, Probopass come to mind
Celever: and you can find more :)
lolbro2: my god, bulk up floatzel is a best]
lolbro2: *beast
User: Greenybwa
Format	Elo	GXE	Glicko-1	COIL	W	L	T
ou	1259	55	1536 ± 70	--	25	17	0
randombattle	1051	51	1505 ± 44	--	67	67	0
ubers	1165	63	1600 ± 94	--	9	3	0
nualpha	1050	43	1445 ± 99	--	2	4	0
uu	1270	48	1485 ± 46	--	33	33	0
uberssuspecttest	1045	55	1540 ± 123 (provisional)	0	1	0	0
nu	1084	43	1444 ± 55	--	16	22	0
Greenybwa: anyone got a volt turn team i can look @
Welcome to NU!


What's On:
The NU Forum   |   Team Building  |   Good Cores  |   NP Thread
Viability Ranking Thread   |   Counter That Threat
Tiering Info  |   New/Creative Sets   |   Simple Q&A
Shiftry is RU by usage
NoKnuckles: nope i only have bad teams and 1 stall team
Greenybwa: dont like stall either but i dont have a name for them
lolbro2: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-150363575 bulk up floatzel sweep
Barryrino: Bad teams are best teams
thesmalldoop: i will murder anyone who uses rain shell smash omastar in rain
NoKnuckles: yeah, i like bad teams, i just put 6 random things i like on a team
keiran1234: lolbro2 that guy had a mono rock team lol
Rx7Lotus: nuckels
lolbro2: but cradily
Rx7Lotus: lets battle
Rx7Lotus: i have bad team
lolbro2: and 2 half waters
IAMBEOWULF: in omega ruby/saphiere or however u spell it, we should get a mega castform
Arcticfoxkeh: no
allstar124: no
NoobNova: mega castform
Rx7Lotus: no
thesmalldoop: YES
NoobNova: summon all weather
NoobNova: gg
allstar124: lol
thesmalldoop: and mega tropius
allstar124: based on the stars
allstar124: stats
Arcticfoxkeh: mega flygon, mega gallade and mega luxray are all we need
MarlingL: megabannanas
Greenybwa: thoughts on shinx
Celever: in NU?
Greenybwa: ya
Arcticfoxkeh: no.
Celever: ...
Greenybwa: no his evo i forgot its name
Greenybwa: evo of shinx
NoobNova: Luxray
NoobNova: you mean Luxray
Celever: they are all bad
Celever: lol
Greenybwa: yeah luxray
NoobNova: and yes they all pretty much suck
Arcticfoxkeh: meh
Celever: don't use Luxray
Arcticfoxkeh: it needs more speed.
lolbro2: luxray is goo
Celever: seriously use Emolga or Bikachu before Luxray
SuperSawgy: luxray is good
Celever: *Pikachu
IAMBEOWULF: mega castform= weather god
lolbro2: Luxray>>>>>>>>>>>>pikachu
lolbro2 was warned by boTTT. (Automated response: stretching)
Trollax:3: luxray isn't terrible
skellingtons: ancientpower boosts never ;_;
Greenybwa: i cant make a good team for nu cuz people just priority (which does way 2 much especially arbok) or stat rat i dont get how u make a good team without being stall
lolbro2: i'd like to see luxray with sticky web support
Trollax:3: you know
The D-Match: Scrarf Luxray
The D-Match: is viable
Trollax:3: every single tier has "stat rat"
Trollax:3: NU isn't an exception
lolbro2: what is stat rat?
Greenybwa: yeah but i can deal with em in other tiers
NoobNova: yes
NoobNova: arbok is best priority user
Greenybwa: but this one boost then ohko priority
NoobNova: I agree
Celever: Is stat rat a guts sweeper?
Trollax:3: basically stat rat = set up sweepers
Celever: oh
NoobNova: there is no stop to priority
Celever: well obviously every tier has one of those
NoobNova: ban priority
NoobNova: op
Greenybwa: no
Greenybwa: prioty does way 2 much in nu
Greenybwa: admit
NoobNova: No it doesn't
NoobNova: In layman's terms
The D-Match: ./data Quick Guard
Celever: Green if you really want to counter set up sweeper just run Haze or Clear Smog something
NoobNova: "git gud"
Trollax:3: yes def priority is way too good
The D-Match: :3
Greenybwa: arbok doesnt even get stab and he does work with sucker punch
Celever: ban priority!!
Arcticfoxkeh: ^true
keiran1234: are you arguing that priority is overpowered?
+crazydev: guys use quick guard
Arcticfoxkeh: best meat
Trollax:3: quickban priority imo
NoobNova: Feint tbh
Arcticfoxkeh: no pawniard
Joseph Yobo: how to you come up with a good nu team?
Trollax:3: fake out + bullet punch is op
The D-Match: Quick Guard
Greenybwa: u cant just circle jerk an idea when i say something
NoobNova: yes we can
NoobNova: because it's so ridiculous
Greenybwa: t.ruth
Tarnished Silver: ln pokemon online, Banette Mega is NU. Talk about that priority.....
Greenybwa: no i was saying priotiy does way 2 much i didnt say ban
Celever: if you say something literate then we can't lol
FWAnarchist: Greenybwa try Haze Cryogonal
NoobNova: we don't talk about PO here :>
Trollax:3: it's called "exaggerating an idea that is completely fake to emphasize that it's a bad idea"
FWAnarchist: Great Special wall
Arcticfoxkeh: what proirity.
Trollax:3: *completely bad
Tarnished Silver: l am just saying
NoobNova: jk lol
Tarnished Silver: You cant complaina bout priority
Greenybwa: u cant deny that abrok sucker punch does way 2 much even tho it has no stab
Tarnished Silver: Deal with it
Arcticfoxkeh: does too much? maybe gatr at +2 or pawn, but...
NoobNova: No it doesn't
NoobNova: If you hate priority run Bulky Offense
NoobNova: There ya go
NoobNova: done
Celever: Green, that is because it will have boosted its attack a lot
Trollax:3: ^
Trollax:3: ugh
Celever: sorry
Celever: :/
Greenybwa: no
FWAnarchist: Greenybwa: Try Cryogonal w/ Haze
Trollax:3: its k :]
Greenybwa: i dont like crygo
FWAnarchist: It gets rid of all stat changes
Greenybwa: too weak
Tarnished Silver: banette has priority willwisp too
Greenybwa: low hp
Celever: yeah
Celever: Cryo is shit
Arcticfoxkeh: WHAT\
Greenybwa: i use weezing haze
lolbro2: most people run e belt arbok
NU
WeezingPoisonLevitateHP
65Atk
90Def
120SpA
85SpD
70Spe
60BST
490
Celever: Use Weezing or Drifblim Haze/Clear Smog
FWAnarchist: Rapid Spin + Haze + Great SpD
lolbro2: so sucker punch might do alor
FWAnarchist: its not shit
Greenybwa: already do
Arcticfoxkeh: you can shut your mouth, cryo is amazing
Celever: I nearly wrote Clear Smogon lol
Celever: if you do then stat rats aren't a problem
Greenybwa: well actually i dont like cryo so get over it lol
Arcticfoxkeh: yeah, but he said cryo sucks, which is not true
Tarnished Silver: l think maybe torkoal has clear smog too
Celever: yeah, it does
Trollax:3: uh
NoobNova: It does
FWAnarchist: You might not like it, but it's pretty good
NoobNova: Torkoal gets a lot of poison moves
Greenybwa: no i dont like it because its just 2 weak defensive for me
Trollax:3: not liking something = / = saying it's bad
FWAnarchist: ^
lolbro2: ^
Celever: so does Castform, Golduck, Magmortar, Victreebel and Wailord
Arcticfoxkeh: give me something else in NU that can rake a +2 supereffective move from a lilligant
Celever: what the hell
Tarnished Silver: Special fire types get poison moves
NoobNova: Greenybwa, it's a fricking special wall
Tarnished Silver: Like torkoal and houndoom
Celever: Wailord = Clear Smog??
Trollax:3: eh i wouldn't make it a special wall
Greenybwa: stop the circle jerks around my opinions on pokemon
Celever: it's an offensive spinner
Trollax:3: yeah let's not care about greeny's opinions at all
Celever: a wall generally needs to have decent defenses in both but specialize in one
Celever: that's why Avalugg isn't very viable
Trollax:3: ^
Arcticfoxkeh: it's not a wall, though.
Arcticfoxkeh: it's fast support.
Celever: yeah but someone said we could use it as a wall
FWAnarchist: It has Haze and Rapid spin and decent special bulk
Trollax:3: it's an offensive pokemon that can take special hits time to time
FWAnarchist: This is NU people
Celever: I was the one who said it's an offensive spinner :p
Steakax:3: can i post a complaint
NoobNova: sure
Steakax:3: i find it rude
NoobNova: go ahead
Trollax:3: yes
Celever: yes, this should be fun
Celever: :p
Steakax:3: that miltank can just wave its teets at me
FWAnarchist: You're not gonna find a better rapid spinner than Cryg
Greenybwa: sandslash
NoobNova: You know who fucks over Miltank?
NU
SandslashGroundSand VeilSand RushHP
75Atk
100Def
110SpA
45SpD
55Spe
65BST
450
Tarnished Silver: avalugg is not a viable wall because of typing and recovery
NoobNova: Pangoro!
Steakax:3: i demad we go back to 5th gen sprites please
Celever: Cryo is better than Sandslash
Tarnished Silver: Not really to do with special def
NoobNova: oooo
Arcticfoxkeh: there might be better spinners in different situations
Greenybwa: not for me
Joseph Yobo: raml Celever
NoobNova: lol I felt that way at first
NoobNova: but I got used to it
FWAnarchist: Cryo has better speed than Sandslash
Trollax:3: sandslash and cryogonal play different roles, therefore they are not comparable
Arcticfoxkeh: but cryo is one of the best
Trollax:3: they both share rapid spin
Celever: also I'm with Steakax. I posted a suggestion in the showdown suggestions thread but no one took note of it
Greenybwa: man some people just use pokemon different to others so for one person its bad for another is good
Celever: srsly sprites >>>> models
NoobNova: they're comparable spinners but little else
Trollax:3: but other than that their stat spreads are very different
Tarnished Silver: sandslash resists stealth rock when spinning it
Tarnished Silver: Cryo does not
Tarnished Silver: Totally different
Celever: srsly
NU
SandslashGroundSand VeilSand RushHP
75Atk
100Def
110SpA
45SpD
55Spe
65BST
450
FWAnarchist: Cryo is immune to Spikes / T-Spikes
Celever: if you want an offensive spinner use Cryo, defensive Torkoal and in the middle Sandslash
FWAnarchist: js
Arcticfoxkeh: also, cryo has levitate to avoid spikes
Celever: it's pretty simple
Greenybwa: cryo dieos quicko tho
NoobNova: and Cryo gets recovery
NoobNova: no it doesn't
NoobNova: use it well
NoobNova: and it won't disappoint
Trollax:3: if you play it well it doesn't
Trollax:3: that applies for everything
Celever: Green, if you switch it in on physical moves too
Greenybwa: ok
Greenybwa: scarf primape close combat
Celever: *moves it does
Tarnished Silver: Sandslash has knock off
NoobNova: It hase bas 135 Sp. Def
Greenybwa: rip
NoobNova: LOL IS THAT AN ARGUMENT?
NoobNova was warned by boTTT. (Automated response: caps)
Celever: you switch it out
Arcticfoxkeh: and flash cannon+frezze dry hits most of the meta.
Celever: 9.9
Trollax:3: what??? a pokemon is beaten by a move???
FWAnarchist: Uh, switch out?
Trollax:3: omg
Greenybwa: ye
Trollax:3: a pokemon has a check
Trollax:3: stop the presses
Celever: ^
Greenybwa: enjoy spinning when ur up against scarf cloes combat
NoobNova: why are you switching in Cryo on Primeape?
Greenybwa: it also dies to phsyic
Celever: Feraligatr is total shit
Celever: Vileplume beats it gg
FWAnarchist: spin on the switch into primeape, and then switch out
NoobNova: it actually doesn't
Greenybwa: it dies to alot
Trollax:3: ferroseed beats gatr
Trollax:3: gatr is horrible obv
NoobNova: It tanks most every special hit
NoobNova: Minus like Magmortar's Fire Blast or something
Trollax:3: but ferroseed is also horrible because pyroar beats it
Greenybwa: thats awesome when 3/4 of NU seems to be phsyical
NoKnuckles: haha everything is horrible
Celever: Yeah Ferroseed is pretty fucking terrible
Celever: Even Combusken is utter shit
Trollax:3: pyroar is also horrible because hariyama beats it
Celever: SD Aqua Jet from Feraligatr = gg
Arcticfoxkeh: yup
Trollax:3: hariyama is bad because spiritomb beats it
Celever: lol
Trollax:3: spiritomb is bad because granbull beats it
Trollax:3: we could go on for days
Greenybwa: sd aqua jet is definition of stat rat
Celever: Granbull is bad bc Vileplume beats it
NoKnuckles: the moral of the story is that everything except mega kangaskhan is shit
Pidgeit: granbull is bad because wheezing beats it
Celever: that should be a forum game or something
Celever: :p
NoobNova: there is no definition for a made up term friendoroni
Greenybwa: its a good term
Trollax:3: everything is bad because things beat it
Arcticfoxkeh: bulkanine actually beats megakanga really well
NoobNova: there's a better term that everyone else uses
Trollax:3: therefore, pokemon in it of itself sucks
Greenybwa: i just havent thought of something for stallers
Trollax:3: y/y
Celever: yeah, but forum game of "what beats this, use the last Pokémon mentioned!" would be p funny
Celever: looool
Pidgeit: good is bad because bad beats it
Greenybwa: stallers are worse than stat rats
NoobNova: it's "setup sweeper'
Celever: great logic there Trollax :)
Trollax:3: ikr
Celever: srsly my mind is blown
Greenybwa: i think stallers are worst kind of pokemon players cuz atleast stat rat ends the game quick but stallers is even less fun than stat ratting
Celever: Green
Celever: it's called winning
skellingtons: dude what
Celever: if you are goot at using stall
skellingtons: stalling is cool
Celever: you should use stall
Trollax:3: this discussion is making my sides explode
Celever: plus semi-stall is a lot of fun
NoobNova: I dislike stall but we're not gonna ban stall lmao
Celever: I'm not very good at full stall
Greenybwa: winning by a scum tactic is not even worth the win
keiran1234: have you ever considered adapting to the metagame?
Celever: but semi-stall is so good :)
NoKnuckles: im bad at stall but i like it
NoobNova: so what you're saying is
Celever: yes
Trollax:3: imo the only way to win is to use magikarp
keiran1234: i.e if you don't like stall run taunt or something
Greenybwa: who palys a game to win but not have fun
NoobNova: "stop using things I don't fine fun guys"
Celever: all of stall is a scum tactic
Celever: lol
NoobNova: 'stop having fun guys"
Greenybwa: i play to have fun not so i can circlejerk over the new meta
NoobNova: "start having fun MY way guys"
Celever: Smogon is ruining the metagame
Trollax:3: green, then just play ingame games
Arcticfoxkeh: ^
Greenybwa: well if u think toxic protect toxic protect is fun then u need more excitment in ur life lol
NoobNova: "so op please ban priority, toxic, roar, t-spikes, stealth rock"
Arcticfoxkeh: banning all this weak, counterable suff
Greenybwa: what
Trollax:3: play ingame so you can do anything and it works
Celever: Green, Pokémon is a game of thought and precision
Celever: sorta like chess
Arcticfoxkeh: and taunt
Greenybwa: stall isnt thought and precision
Trollax:3: ^
Trollax:3: ugh
Greenybwa: stat rat isnt
Trollax:3: arrowblock
Celever: lol
NoobNova: Trollax:3
Arcticfoxkeh: yes it is
Greenybwa: stat rat is boost stats then OHKO a restist pokemon
Celever: so arrowblocked there Trollax
NoobNova: You're getting arrowblocked a lot lol
Trollax:3: :[[
Arcticfoxkeh: not true, greeny
Celever: Green it is
NoobNova: Greenybwa
Arcticfoxkeh: would you try and set up a gatr in a vileplume's face?
Celever: if you don't use thought when using a stall team you WILL lose
NoobNova: Do you know how many counters those so-called "stat rats" have?
Arcticfoxkeh: you have to know when to do it.
NoobNova: Just take Gatr
Trollax:3: greeny, the best thing for you is to just play the AI in the games
Celever: in fact, I'd be interested to see how you do with a stall team if it uses no thought :3
NoKnuckles: stat ratters need to build teams in a way to remove counters, it is a bit thoughtful
Www.Stupid.com: Hey
Celever: hi
NoobNova: Gatr can't do jack shit if you have a Tangela
Greenybwa: land the stat rat then use the priority and blindfold urself
Celever: or Vileplume Nova
Celever: Vileplume > Tangela imo
Celever: Tangela is good though
Greenybwa: admit
NoobNova: Vileplume is OHKO'd by SD Ice Punch iirc
Arcticfoxkeh: greeny, a lot of things resist aqua jet
Celever: Green
NoKnuckles: then stall teams need to build in a way to beat "stat ratters
Trollax:3: i admit that all playstyles are cheap
Celever: if you blind folded yourself I don't think you could hit the attack button...
NoobNova: tl;dr
Greenybwa: dude i know they resist things thats what im saying
Arcticfoxkeh: and if you let gatr get to +6 that's your fualt
NoobNova: git gud Greenybwa
Trollax:3: competitive pokemon in it of itself is horrible because people use popular things
Greenybwa: ok im gonna stop cuz u guys are blinded by ur circle jerk sessions
NoKnuckles: haha, have you seen the blindfold punchout runs at agdq? you'd be surprised at what you can do blind!
Greenybwa: i dont search validation from online people like u guys so brb from chat